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ATI Tapes Out 6000-Series Graphics Cards

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UPDATE 10/19/10: Catch our latest 6000 series news here, and on the frontpage in the next few days.

In late 2009, ATI launched the 5000-series of graphics card. The series was very successful despite some supply issues. Nvidia had nothing to offer to counter AMD’s graphics departement at the time and took just over six months to roll out its 400-series, with the GTX480 and GTX470 beginning to sell on April 12th. News has now came that ATI has taped out its new products based on the Southern Islands architecture.

Southern Islands has been known to exist for the past three weeks. It is believed to be a hybrid architecture featuring the shaders of the Evergreen architecture, found in the 5000-series, along with the uncore of the next full generation design, dubbed Northern Islands. Website Semiaccurate reports the new design taped out and is now ready for production. As no manufacturer has a new process to offer, there is no doubt now that the new graphics processing units will be manufactured on 40nm process, the same as the 5000-series of cards. Production is expected to start at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company within the next few weeks.

The news come at a very bad time for Nvidia and could spell disaster for the green team. Southern Islands tape out arrives just a few weeks later in the year than what Evergreen did last year. If it executes like it did with the 5000-series, ATI is looking at a possible release of a full new generation of products before Nvidia rolls out their current one, putting the green guys a full cycle behind and effectively out of the game. 6000-series cards can be expected in Q4 2010.

Source: Semiaccurate

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  1. AngelfireUk83
    I'm just curious what are you temps for the SLi config you have????


    If the fans are stock speed, then around 90C. If fans are custom profiled, then it depends on the fan speed + ambient...

    -D
    Bobnova
    On-chip stuff won't ever be more then low end. The low end five years from now will make current mid to mid-high cards look pretty silly (4350 vs fx5600 anybody?), but by then the mid to high end will be that much more impressive.

    The reason for this is power consumption. I don't see high end gpus getting any more power efficient, and CPU manufacturers can't be adding 200w to their 75w cpus.


    +1

    Even if 6000 (far fetched thought) would be on-chip, you'd end up with quite the power hog of a chip, not to forget about the size needed for each. That would require a monster socket with almost twice the amount of pins and then you're talking massive heat and power delivery issues...

    Would be nice to see that happen in the next die shrinks though!
    mattspalace
    I don't consider myself a fanboy at all, and while others say they are not, they are obviously making statements that are less than objective.

    bottom line:

    ATI is impressing right now. After 2-3 years of struggling to keep pace with Nvidia, they have their act together. The 5830 is their only 'flop' of a card, and it was probably only launched because of high demand across the 5800 series. If they can continue to build up their driver support, and not launch a lemon line-up of video cards, they'll be postured to do well. I had hoped ATI prices would drop when Fermi was released, but that's apparently not going to happen; at least not quite yet.

    Nvidia is not impressing right now. Yes, they have the fastest single GPU card in the world, but it's also extremely hot, extremely noisy, and extremely power hungry. Having owned dozens of Nvidia video cards over the years, I can say this is the loudest video card I've ever had that didn't/doesn't have an overclock. The performance is impressive, but I expect better from Nvidia. I hope they get the next series right. If they don't, ATI is going to take a majority of the video card market away from them. Nvidia hit a grand slam with the 8800 series. I hope they do it again.. And yes, I'm sitting here with two GTX 470's at the moment, and wishing they would idle with temps that were comparable to my 5850's or 5870's.

    I hope the 6000 series doesn't launch until Fall because I'm getting tired of buying video cards all the time! :D


    I'm just curious what are you temps for the SLi config you have????
    psionic98
    There's room on those new extended matx boards to find room for 3.5" of room!


    And how many typical people have a case of that size to use those boards? Let alone the price of the board would go up.

    CPU's are hot as is, sure they might only put off 100-120W on the high end, until OCed, but even then adding another 70-100W for the GPU. That requires a vastly larger CPU cooler that motherboards aren't accustomed to take. Not only that an intake/exhaust system should be highly considered in this case then to. There is no room on the motherboard to put a heatsink system like seen on a GPU.
    Bobnova
    Have you looked at the GPU in your laptop? Odds are it's an MXM, so think about a 3.5x3.5 square absolutely packed in components. Now see if you can find room on a desktop mobo to put 3.5x3.5 of packed components and a cooler capable of getting rid of 75w.


    There's room on those new extended matx boards to find room for 3.5" of room!
    evensen007
    I don't know about this. My Asus G73JH-A2 laptop has the Ati mobile 5870 in it that is 75watts and compares somewhere between a 5750 and 5770 @ stock. If you bump it up a little bit it can rival a 5770. If they can put it in a laptop, you'd think they could solder it onto a desktop motherboard right?


    Have you looked at the GPU in your laptop? Odds are it's an MXM, so think about a 3.5x3.5 square absolutely packed in components. Now see if you can find room on a desktop mobo to put 3.5x3.5 of packed components and a cooler capable of getting rid of 75w.
    No need to be a fanboy, the manufacturer that brings the most bang for my buck will win. 4000 and 5000 series have been the winner, we'll see if its nvidia next generation.
    Bobnova
    On-chip stuff won't ever be more then low end. The low end five years from now will make current mid to mid-high cards look pretty silly (4350 vs fx5600 anybody?), but by then the mid to high end will be that much more impressive.

    The reason for this is power consumption. I don't see high end gpus getting any more power efficient, and CPU manufacturers can't be adding 200w to their 75w cpus.


    I don't know about this. My Asus G73JH-A2 laptop has the Ati mobile 5870 in it that is 75watts and compares somewhere between a 5750 and 5770 @ stock. If you bump it up a little bit it can rival a 5770. If they can put it in a laptop, you'd think they could solder it onto a desktop motherboard right?
    On-chip stuff won't ever be more then low end. The low end five years from now will make current mid to mid-high cards look pretty silly (4350 vs fx5600 anybody?), but by then the mid to high end will be that much more impressive.

    The reason for this is power consumption. I don't see high end gpus getting any more power efficient, and CPU manufacturers can't be adding 200w to their 75w cpus.
    This is what Nvidia paid for with Fermi :

    http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/5/19/cpu-beware-nvidia-tesla-linpack-numbers-analyzed.aspx

    Back on topic :

    HD6000 seems reminiscent of GT200, in that it is a 'bridge' architecture to something much better.

    ATI -> Large quantity of smaller more efficient dies, co-existing with Fusion strategy. Fusion strategy can potentially work everywhere, from ultra low power all the way up to HPC, high volume is key.

    Nvidia -> Gigantic 'co-processors' for HPC, discrete gaming takes a back seat for higher margin type cards. HPC is being pushed hard.

    Their strategies aren't the same anymore, it'll be very interesting to see how they diverge from here on in.

    I'd personally like to see AMD/ATI start trashing Intel in the integrated graphics arena and getting market share back. Nvidia is kind of screwed when Intel and AMD start putting world class graphics directly on die with their CPU's, seems like they didn't have much choice but to go hard to HPC and keep the 'halo' discrete GPU.

    The even bigger picture isn't Nvidia vs. AMD / ATI vs. Intel, but x86 vs ARM.
    I don't consider myself a fanboy at all, and while others say they are not, they are obviously making statements that are less than objective.

    bottom line:

    ATI is impressing right now. After 2-3 years of struggling to keep pace with Nvidia, they have their act together. The 5830 is their only 'flop' of a card, and it was probably only launched because of high demand across the 5800 series. If they can continue to build up their driver support, and not launch a lemon line-up of video cards, they'll be postured to do well. I had hoped ATI prices would drop when Fermi was released, but that's apparently not going to happen; at least not quite yet.

    Nvidia is not impressing right now. Yes, they have the fastest single GPU card in the world, but it's also extremely hot, extremely noisy, and extremely power hungry. Having owned dozens of Nvidia video cards over the years, I can say this is the loudest video card I've ever had that didn't/doesn't have an overclock. The performance is impressive, but I expect better from Nvidia. I hope they get the next series right. If they don't, ATI is going to take a majority of the video card market away from them. Nvidia hit a grand slam with the 8800 series. I hope they do it again.. And yes, I'm sitting here with two GTX 470's at the moment, and wishing they would idle with temps that were comparable to my 5850's or 5870's.

    I hope the 6000 series doesn't launch until Fall because I'm getting tired of buying video cards all the time! :D
    The 6000 series is going to use parts from a completely new architecture and if it's anymore efficient than the existing 5000 series architecture, Nvidia is in for a world of hurt because no die-shrink is going to save them.
    GTX400 @ DX11 ftw.

    ATi's architecture has been pretty much identical since the 2900XT. Since then, all they have done is increase the amount of shaders and play with the core speeds / GDDR configs. I wouldn't be surprised if their "new architecture" will be the exact same as the 5000 series but x2. The only obvious improvement IMO, should be the tessalation engine.

    That said however, I hope 6000 series kicks butt. Always keeps nVidia on their toes. ATi is definitely pushing hard on nVidia right now performance/power draw. The only explanation I would have for this is the fact that nvidia's architecture is much more complex - which is not as efficient in DX9/DX10 games, but thrives in a DX11 environment. The 6000 should be hell bent on DX11 to de-throne the 400 series.

    -D