I live in shame.....this is absolutely horrible.....

[Shadow ÒÓ]

as you all know (and those of you who don't just look at my sig) I'm a huge VooDoo fan. I LOVE my 5500. Well it seems there are some bigger fans of the 5500 than I as one of them approached me with an offer to trade me a Gforce 2 32meg DDR memory card (w TV out) for mine. Not anxious I priced his card. $170 locally. Considering I've had my 5500 for some time, and his was brand new I had to entertain the idea. I paid about $200 for my VooDoo.......and it's now selling for well below $100. IF I could get current market price, I'd lose over $100. However since he's offered me a (roughly) $170 card, I'm only losing $30.

Yip.....I took it.........CYA VooDoo! Now how do I tweak this sucker! =)

*edit* after reading a few other posts, I ripped the heat sink off to see what it says. Gforce 2 GTS Pro. That help any?

*edit again* after a bit more reading, I'm not at all confident this is such a good trade. I thought the big thing was to get ANY Gforce 2 that had DDR memory. (yes I understand it's not a 64 meg card) I'm beginning to spiral in depression as I may have traded my favorite card (which btw seems to be the best UT card, which is also my FAVORITE game) for a card of lesser quality?

Granted the card is probably $40 cheaper on pricewatch, (havn't checked) but someone PLEASE tell me it was at least an even trade?

[Placid]

In my opinion you got a even trade.
The graphics quality of the voodoo is better but the frame rates of the geforce3 gts pro are better in d3d.
The voodoo was made for open gl and geforce is made for d3d.
If 3dfx had not gone out of business the voodoo card would not currently be so cheap.
After all not many people are willing to buy video card when driver and hardware updates for future os and games is unkown.
Sleep well :)

[Justy303]

I think it was a good trade!!

[William]

Shadow I think you got a great deal. I know your a big Voodoo fan but Nvidia did hire a bunch of the 3dfx guys, so you know you got a quality GPU!

[[OC]_SR20DE]

Hi Shadow ; )

Yeah I think you had pretty good trade. Just be sure if you got a GeForce2 Pro rather than GeForce2 GTS. The Pro one is quite better.. has faster memory speed, higher default RAM speed than the GTS so you can overclock it higher :* GTS is very nice too but hope it's a Pro... Also, you're not losing any performance from 64mb to a 32mb ram on the GF2. GF2 32mg often outperformes 64mb version in games at resolutions upto 1024x768x32bit. Maybe in the 1600x1200 range and Up, the 64mb will just barely be better than the 32mb that you will not be able to tell the difference. :)

[jeff_harrison_344]

Shadow :(
NNNNNoooooooooooo!


Ah well I still love my V5 and am never gonna trade it! (Dont keep me up on that offer :D )

[UnseenMenace]

You lucky lucky man.. :)
I would much rather have that card than a voodoo

Easiest way to tweak it is to download NVmax from http://tweakfiles.com
and if your handy with a soldering iron.. theres a hardware modification on http://tweakhardware.com to make it display as a Quadro card

[AKDUDE]

So tell us Shadow, which one LOOKS better?
AKDUDE

[KILLorBE]

UnseenMenace (Jun 15, 2001 07:46 a.m.):
Easiest way to tweak it is to download NVmax

OR:
To enable the overclocking, you should create the following section in the registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NVTweak
and introduce a parameter of DWORD type named CoolBits and equal to 3. After that you will get access to "Hardware" properties page in the driver settings. Now you should enable "Allow clock frequency adjustments" to be able to set the frequencies equal to over-nominal values and reboot the system.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Whelp.......I'm a little disappointed.

Stock 933 with 256 CAS 2 memory running 2K server scored 1550 in 3D Mark on my 5500.

I stuck the GTS in a newly formatted machine running a 933 w/128 megs of CAS 2 memory running 98SE. It scored 2374. Both boards have VIA chips and I enabled interleave on the 98 machine and ran the test again. The score dropped to 2288. I'll try the card in my machine today.

What I'm disappointed in is the fact that the GTS actually looked worse on the benchmarks. More rips and white pixels (almost as if it were clocked too high) by far than the VooDoo card. Now I'm not being bias here, even my girlfriend could see a difference as I ran both tests at the same time on both machines next to each other.

Open for comments here, and I'll post the results of the card in my machine later today.

I also expected to see higher scores from the GTS as it's running on 98 and it's the only thing installed on the machine.

[jeff_harrison_344]

So now youve come ccraaaawwwwliiinnn back eh?

[Shadow ÒÓ]

ROFL.......well.........If I'm not satisfied, I'll definitly go buy another 5500. Especially since UT likes Glide better than NVidia's version.

[jeff_harrison_344]

Thats my boy!

I seriously LOVE my 5500, I will never trade it! :D
Well youll be happy when you see that nice long card again, with that nice white power connector, and those 2 beutiful AAVID fans.........Trust me :)

[batboy]

Shadow, some of the later GTS cards had Pro chips. Also, what version drivers are you using. I have found that the newer detonator drivers give the best performance and best image quality. Driver support for Voodoo cards are drying up, but nVida support for the GF2 is still going strong.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

That's where I'm getting confused........the chip says GForce2 GTS but on top near the NVidia logo it has PRO written sideways. It does have 32 megs DDR memory tho....so you tell me? is it the GTS/Pro like the Device manager shows? "NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro"


where do I find the version number of the drivers?

[jeff_harrison_344]

The device manager shows GTS/Pro because the driver was written for either of those cards. Its like the Voodoo drivers. On all of the newer Voodoo 4/5 drivers, it doesnt say Voodoo5, it says Voodoo Series.

[AKDUDE]

Shadow, be different, try a Radeon.
AKDUDE

[jeff_harrison_344]

My friend has a Radeon 64DDR ViVo. It is pretty good, but one of the drawbacks of it is that the FSAA on it is horrible.


(Woohoo, 500th post and 4th star)

[OpenFriday]

AKDUDE (Jun 17, 2001 02:53 p.m.):
Shadow, be different, try a Radeon.
AKDUDE

I agree, now someone just has to get Shadow off the intel bandwagon......

[batboy]

If you have Sandra, use the Video System Information module to check. Under drivers, the version should be the last 4 digits. What brand is your vid card? Another way is to go to your desktop, right click with your mouse to pop up a menu, select properties, click on the settings tab, click on the advance button in the lower right of the window, select the top tab for your vid card (mine says GeForce MX/MX 400), and just look at the driver vesions that show up . Now if you click on the additional properties button near the bottom, that will get you into card's properties settings area where most of the GeForce tweaking is done, including overclocking it. Look to see what the default settings are for the core and the memory under the clock frequecies tab. Then find out what the specs are for that brand card. That should positively tell you if you have a GTS or a Pro. GeForce is definitely the way to go right now, and hopefully you did get a Pro card. If so, you got a great deal.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

by your advice batboy, it's listed as an NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS
Bios version 3.15.00.2
On board memory 32 megs
TV Encoder Type Conexant Bt869
Driver Version 4.12.01.0631

There isn't a clock frequencys tab.......yet. I havn't downloaded a tweak or messed around with the registry yet. I will tho. What version should I have for drivers? (er what's the latest?)

[batboy]

You have the 6.31 drivers then. If you're going to use the latest beta drivers you probably should use DirectX8. Which drivers are the best to use is often a much debated topic and it really depends on your system. Personally, I've had great success with the detonator 10.80, 12.40, and now 12.60 drivers as far as performance. See another thread about the 12.60 drivers for where to download them. Unless you use a driver set that has a self installer, you'll need to change the display adapter to standard PCI graphics display adapter (VGA) and then reboot. Install the new drivers and then reboot again. Don't worry about it saying PCI instead of AGP when you change to the standard Windows driver. What this does is to remove all traces of the old drivers so you can install the new ones clean. It gets ugly if you try installing the new over the existing GeForce drivers. Go to the nVida site or similar for better installation details if needed.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

hehe batboy I appreciate you taking the time to be so specific and detailed, but I've been doing this a while and kinda know how. =)

but then again someone reading this that doesn't know how will get VERY good instructions on it.

You have no choice but to use D8 with 3D 2001 as it won't even run with an older version. (something to keep in mind I guess)

I'll update the drivers and run the benchmarks again w/4 way and w/o and post the scores.......lemme get the drivers now and I'll get back to this thread within the hour.

[pestul]

I'd say it must be a driver issue Shadow, or agp4x is not enabled. I'm only running a PIII540 w/GF1 DDR and I get 2200 in 3DMark2001. Although... I am running my GF1 161/333.

I have the 12.00 beta drivers.

Good luck. I'm using a GF1 and I wish I had a V5. Heck, I still miss my voodoo3.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

4x is enabled, so I suspect the drivers may help a little. We'll see.

[batboy]

Hey Shadow, a senior member with that many stars would surely know more than the basics, at least I hope. Didn't mean to insinuate you didn't know anything. However, like in my case, if I switched from GeForce to another card I'd be like a fish out of water. Plus, you're right, dozens of people read these posts, often they're just guests lurking, reading, and trying to learn. These lower end GeForce 2 cards really come alive when you overclock them, especially the memory. Once you settle on a good driver that works well with your system, get that clock frequency tab enabled. I was sort of disappointed with my MX card when I got it late last summer too, but they just require a bit of tweaking and playing with various settings.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

wildone helped a great deal with the card........sent me the latest drivers and told me how to tweak the card a bit. While running the 3D Mark, I noticed frame rates were 33-50% higher, but I still don't understand how it outscores the 5500.

VooDoo will run 3D Mark almost flawlessly. Very few chops or rips. While this card will come to a dead stop several times during the video. Mainly on the 4 wheeler game at thebeginning.

Colors DO seem a bit more crisp, and I havn't tried OC'ing it or playing UT, but I'm still not satisfied at this point.

VooDoo also skips about 5 of the test with "no hardware support" for them while this card skips 3 of them.

It scored 2101 after this set of tweaks and drivers.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Whelp........ya'll know that little check box beside the Enable DMA? Did you know there needs to be a check in it? ROFL

Curious if anything could be running slow I ran some Sandra on it.......seems my Drive was spinning a 3k or so mark. Enabled DMA (duh) and the score went to 16000 ish. Ran the 3D test again and scored 2402. Now installing Via drivers.......benchmarking again.......then gonna OC it a bit and try some more. I'll let you know the final outcome.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Now I want another one and I want to order it. Suggestions on which to buy and where?

AKDUDE why the Radeon? Where and how much?

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Installed new VIA drivers and the score dropped a couple which I assume had not effect essentially. Overclocked it to 215/370 and score went to 2516. Settings good enough?

Oh yea.....removed the sink and gooped it with shack stuff. Figure that's better than the clear sticky stuff they used.

[joey_rjm5]

If anyone wants to get their hands on a new oem voodoo 5 5500. for only 50 bucks I know where. Go to excess-solutions.com and call their store. The voodoos aren't on the site but if you ask, they might have some left in the store. I bought 2.

[Tacoman667]

I wish my Herc card overclocked higher on the RAM. I could only get 226/393 before I did a mod and blew up the card. Hehe. That's ok though, gave me a reason to upgrade. I got me a Visiontek G3 comming in tomorrow and then I'll see what my scores are. <Evilgrin> I am SOOOOOO looking forward to this. MUAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAH!

[Pinky]

Shadow, I took the time to read the entire post, so here's my interpretations thus far:

1 - The card you have should perform much better.

2 - The voodoo 5 is a good card, but benchmarking with the geforce should produce a noticeable improvement

3 - The latest drivers may not speed up the card, but should improve image quality

4 - Your hardware is probably fine, I suspect a driver issue here.

5 - Overclcoking the card will only boost benchmarks 100-200 points, not much more.

6 - My card outperforms yours with the specs below (getting 3200-3400 3dmark 2000 scores, which roughly translate to 2500-2700 in 3dMark 2001). This should not be... it may take some tweaking the drivers... have you tried the coolbits registry hack and NVMax? I saw the links in the prior posts, I use them and they work fine (with driver versions 1200 and lower only, newer drivers 12.41, etc won't work though).

7 - If you're looking for raw power and benchmarking bragging rights, the geforce 3 and GF2 Ultra are the top of the class.

I have owned a voodoo 3 3000, geforce 256, and my current geforce 2 MX Pro, and thus far the GF2 MX Pro has been the best gaming card of the 3; the gaming just looks better in 32 bit. My friend has a radeon All-in-wonder 32MB card and I've been pleased with his performance and image quality (ie - radeon is a very good option).

Final analysis -- stick with the geforce until you are able/willing to get the geforce 3, they're sweet cards and compatable with nearly all games/systems.

[fireball****aka fireball_87]

if that's 3dmark 2000, that's a HORABLE score for even a geforce 256, you shuld be getting ATLEAST 5000 on that setup(my creative gf2 mx card gets 5000 on my duron@935) make sure everything's cranked up in the bios(4xagp, fast wrights, 128mb agp apture, vido ram cashable, ect.)

[el]

Shadow run this in UT : start cityintro and report back on the min ave and max fps! I bought 2 V5's for 112 at the now dead deal at excess solutions! I can get about 60fsp average in UT with everything maxed out at 1280x1024! BTW I ain't trading unless somebody doesn't want their G3 :-)

[Pinky]

fireball****aka fireball_87 (Jun 19, 2001 11:30 a.m.):
if that's 3dmark 2000, that's a HORABLE score for even a geforce 256, you shuld be getting ATLEAST 5000 on that setup(my creative gf2 mx card gets 5000 on my duron@935) make sure everything's cranked up in the bios(4xagp, fast wrights, 128mb agp apture, vido ram cashable, ect.)

It's because 3dmark only looks at the one cpu, doesn't take dual procs into consideration... I didn't enable the video cacheable though, I'll do that on bootup tonight... everything else is fine... I get 45FPS in UT city intro, and steady 50-60 during gameplay on my Hall of Giants server (when I connect through my switch). Not bad, at least I'm impressed. Again, UT doesn't take advantage of the dual procs either.

**Update, just for kicks I downloaded 3dmark 2001, benchmarked again in 3dmark 2000, and I will put the screen shots here:

[img="http://www.geocities.com/speshal_k/baseballcards/3dmark2001ocdet1200.jpg"] 3dmark 2001 score of 1574

[img="http://www.geocities.com/speshal_k/baseballcards/3dmark2kocdet1200.jpg"] 3dmark 2000 score of 3449

The 2001 score is actually pretty good for my card, puts it in some nice company (over the MX Pros and just behind the Radeon LE DDR)... now for the future games in high quality, I dunno... only time will tell, but I'm definitely thinking about a geforce 3 in my next machine (at year's end).

[Shadow ÒÓ]

I'm getting 2500 in 2001 compared to 1500 with the 5500. Q3 FPS is about 110.....with the 5500 it was just over 100.

Colors look a lot more crisp with the G2 but the image is a bit more choppy. The VooDoo seems a bit duller, but extremely smooth.

Thanks for all the replys, especially the time you put into yours Pinky.

I'm not really looking for braggin rights.....I'm looking to "see" which card is better. Benchmarks are nice, but they don't answer my question at all. "Which card is better" is still open as far as I'm concerned. The 5500 is well under $100 and someone above mentioned maybe $50 (which I emailed them and told em I wanted 2 :)) and for the money, I'm not convinced the G2 is better. I'll continue to play with it, and if I can get the picture quality to run as smooth as the 5500 I'll be happy. Hell for that matter if I can loose a little quality to get it smooth I'd be happy with that too, but still wouldn't be happy with the price.

[Fusion]

Here's how you have to look at it... Voodoo cards basically DEPEND on the Glide API, which most newer games, hardly support since nVidia bought 3DFX. Your GF2, especially with the Detonator drivers (5.0.3 I believe is the latest rev), fully supports OpenGL (which Voodoo's do only barely, a la the Wicked driver set), and is supported by virtually all the newer 3d games. I say you got more than a fair deal, with the GF2 enabling you to play games for some time to come.

But hey, I'm biased, I have a GF2 ;)

[Shadow ÒÓ]

I will admit it's nicer being up to date that I will be able to play all current games. The G2 has probably bought me another year I guess. =)

BTW........the site mentioned above by joey_rjm5 for $50.....I just received an email:

They are sold out now.
Thank You
Ron Harter
Excess Solutions

[Shadow ÒÓ]

well I'm posting to my own posts now, so I guess this thread is becomming my personal diary since I keep comming back here to compare results and update. Don't bother to respond if I'm boring you. :)

Moved the card to my main machine. Pretty much the same machine, but with 256 megs of CAS 2 and a RAID 0 setup. Set Antialliasing to off.......set mipmap detial level to best and texture memory to max (half my memory). Default drivers again and ran a SMOKIN 996 in 2001! hehe

guess there's another bottle neck somewhere......

[asmodean]

So, that was Voodoo? LOL

[Pinky]

Shadow ÒÓ (Jun 19, 2001 08:54 p.m.):
Default drivers again and ran a SMOKIN 996 in 2001! hehe

guess there's another bottle neck somewhere......

I think we need to start a thread for bottlenecks... of course, then there would be very little posted here...

seems like several people are experiencing bottlenecks of some type... the only commonality among us is that we're S.O.L.

[AKDUDE]

Shadow- Im sorry, I just now noticed that you replied back to me on the Radeon.

I went with it, over a Geforce, after I read this review that OPEN FRIDAY showed me...

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/vidcards/ati/radeon/

The image quality is was swayed me over. Ive heard you talk before about the quality of the image on a V5, so I figured if your current card dosn't work out for you, you could give it a try.

newegg.com has the Radeon LEs pretty cheap. They differ over the DDR models in that HYPERZ is disabled, and they have a lower clock speed. Simple overclocking, and a registry hack gets the clock speed up and the HYPERz back. (which is only disabled in D3D anyway)

Good luck on the pro!
AKDUDE

EDIT, I forgot to mention, that on a Thunderbird@1050, cas2 ram at 150, I got 3128 with the Radeon on 3DMARK2001. That was with the card overclocked.
Not bad for 80 bucks shipped, (cheaper now)

[OpenFriday]

If your looking for a new budget vid card, in my mind the Radeon LE, VE or what have you is the only way to go. When i bought mine some time ago it was 110$, well worth it, now it can be had for around 75$, i dont know where as i dont shop at american stores sorry. But i believe a while back newegg had it for 79$ with 1$ shipping. Dont know if that deal is still on or not. If you buy the LE, you should be able to get it to 191/191 with stuff you have laying around the house. I think AK and i agreed that around 190 was where the 6ns ram topped out. I tried lowering my core and raising the mem but it was a no go. I was shocked when i saw my dvd's, i had previously used a V3 2000 (great card btw Shadow) they looked so much better though with the radeon. I cant recomend this card enough, it was decent for gaming in my tests anyways. (If you call playing CS in 800x600 a test).If you need a cheap card, the radeon's the ticket. ICQ me if your seriously considering it and need some Q's answered.

-OF

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Thanks guys........I'm very disappointed in this card indeed. Absolutely sucks in 2000 server. (not crippled mind you.......SUCKS)

I'm selling the GTS and going to buy a pair of LE cards I guess........I need 2, and for the price of the Ultra I'd rather have a couple good cards than one great card.

[AKDUDE]

I just checked Newegg.com, $77 shipped.

www.rage3d.com has all the Radeon goodies to tweak with. Good luck!

[batboy]

Personally, I don't know why you'd consider getting anything but a better GF2 or GF3 if you're truly serious about gaming. Even that older GTS should be blowing the Voodoo and Radeon out of the water. Did you even try to use newer drivers? The 6.31 drivers you were using are antiques. Did you try overclocking the card? What video quality settings did you use? What brand is it. Maybe it's a cheap generic brand or something, I don't know, but that card should be better than my MX card and I've extremely happy with it, I just want and can afford better now, so I'm shopping for a GF3. Intially when I got my MX, I was a bit disappointed with it too, but after I tried different drivers and did some cooling mods and learned how to tweak it and overclock it, I'd never get anything except GeForce cards now. They rock.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

batboy (Jun 20, 2001 09:28 p.m.):
Personally, I don't know why you'd consider getting anything but a better GF2 or GF3 if you're truly serious about gaming. Even that older GTS should be blowing the Voodoo and Radeon out of the water. Did you even try to use newer drivers? The 6.31 drivers you were using are antiques. Did you try overclocking the card? What video quality settings did you use? What brand is it. Maybe it's a cheap generic brand or something, I don't know, but that card should be better than my MX card and I've extremely happy with it, I just want and can afford better now, so I'm shopping for a GF3. Intially when I got my MX, I was a bit disappointed with it too, but after I tried different drivers and did some cooling mods and learned how to tweak it and overclock it, I'd never get anything except GeForce cards now. They rock.


Truthfully because the system beside me is my girlfriends. She's never really noticed video quality till now, and after benchmarking the G2 on her machine.......the VooDoo on mine........then pulling the G2 from hers and putting the Rage 128 Pro back in.......she's not at all satisfied. So now I need 2 cards. One for me, and one for her. I can't afford 2 cards........one great one or 2 good ones.

That'll teach me to involve her in upgrades again!

[AZZKICKER]

yup

did that with my weife once

never will i do that again

she has my CB0 P3 700 that runs 1008 air cooled and 1050 with peltier air cooling

never will i do that again

( she wnet from a cellery 366 to a P3 700
you think she would go back
NOT

[bdf24]

I just ordered a Radeon 64 DDR w/vivo for $161.00 shipped. I've got my V5 up on Ebay for bidding as we speek. People are paying over $100.00 for the V5's on Ebay! Even used ones! I'm hoping to get around $100.00 or so, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

where did you get it? I'd be happy with that I think.

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Dear Diary........

today I decided to give this card one more shot before ripping it out and screaming for a VooDoo.......

I upgraded the Via drivers and ran the benchmarks again.....1964 this time. Noticeable improvement over the 900ish scores I was getting when I installed this card initially.

Then I decided to upgrade to the latest drivers that were not beta.....benched again and scored 2928. That's MUCH better. The horse at the end of the test actually turns smoothly now instead of showing me 8 pics of the horse from all sides.

Ran some tweaks and did some messing around with the card also, and I was able to get the scores close to 3100. Not too shabby considering I'm running this card under 2000 Server.

I must keep in mind not to hate NVidia.......after all, they didn't put the wrong info on my system......."I" did.

[AKDUDE]

Now THAT is more like it! :)!!!!

AKDUDE

[Shadow ÒÓ]

Dear Diary........

Today I wanted to "tweak" my card a little more so I went to tweakfiles and picked up a program.

I then used KILLorBE's advice and did the registry hack. Now I have a setting to allow Preformance or Quality in my Vid card properties, but I have no way to adjust my actual clock speeds.

Since I didn't use common sense and actually remember the name of the program I installed, nor can I find it in add/remove programs, I guess I'll be deleting my card and starting all over again. Shame........This card was really beginning to grow on me.

[GOD]

Hey Shadow...
have u tried it with the v sync fram buffer set to 1,instead of the default 3.
it should improve the image quality and fram rate.
and also reduce the pci texture memory size to a lowest as possible.
gts`s don`t use any pci texture memory.
and try the nvmax.
it is a greate gf utility.

GOD....

[dozier768]

over 3000 aint bad for a voodoo shadow and its more than tripple what you were getting at first good job.

[el]

Should have stayed with the V5! I think you have a good card but for UT how could you!!

[Pinky]

el (Jun 25, 2001 03:04 p.m.):
Should have stayed with the V5! I think you have a good card but for UT how could you!!

That's assuming that's all he'll ever play... voodoo falls short in most other games.

[obeliks]

if you have all the latest drivers just download nvmax and play with it a bit. now i think your problem is via chipset but with latest drivers it should work just fine

[el]

yeah I know but UT is the best game and that is what ShadowÒÓ plays mosty.

[Pinky]

el (Jun 27, 2001 02:01 p.m.):
yeah I know but UT is the best game and that is what ShadowÒÓ plays mosty.

I play UT all the time, and I dumped my voodoo3 3000 for my current card :)

[Frost Byte]

I just got my GeForce3 in last week...it is the best thing i have ever spent my money on...my benchmark was so high i pissed my pants...shadow think of it this way...if you buy a good card now you will end up buying another good card later...just buy a GREAT card now and enjoy it for a long time! I don't know but if you have seen what a GeForce3 can do....but it is simply amazing!!!!!!

[Shadow ÒÓ]

yea.....I'm not that impressed with the GTS, but I'm going to replace my girlfriends Rage 128 with this one and get myself a G3 next week. I'll let you guys know.

[Mondo]

No Shadow noooo!

Don't forget 3dMark uses T&L! V5 doesn't even have it!

Also V5 scales with processor speed, I believe Geforce cards stop scaling at 800mhz....

Ah well..

[asmodean]

After 800MHz, MX becomes the bottleneck... I don't think other better GeForces become bottlenecks at 800MHz.

[e laursen]

Shadow, in case you have not been there, try www.geforcefaq.com (http://www.geforcefaq.com). there is lots of good tweaking info on the GF cards.

[Richard]

Update: There's also an AGP version there for $73.

Shadow, I just ordered a V5 5500 from Compuvest.com for $75. Granted, it's the PCI version, but hey, that's what I was looking for. I'm going to keep my GeForce2 as my alternate display adapter. :) (Dual Monitors kick butt.)


Shadow ÒÓ (Jul 04, 2001 06:31 p.m.):
yea.....I'm not that impressed with the GTS, but I'm going to replace my girlfriends Rage 128 with this one and get myself a G3 next week. I'll let you guys know.

[Superman53142]

Pinky (Jun 20, 2001 08:48 a.m.):
fireball****aka fireball_87 (Jun 19, 2001 11:30 a.m.):
if that's 3dmark 2000, that's a HORABLE score for even a geforce 256, you shuld be getting ATLEAST 5000 on that setup(my creative gf2 mx card gets 5000 on my duron@935) make sure everything's cranked up in the bios(4xagp, fast wrights, 128mb agp apture, vido ram cashable, ect.)

It's because 3dmark only looks at the one cpu, doesn't take dual procs into consideration... I didn't enable the video cacheable though, I'll do that on bootup tonight... everything else is fine... I get 45FPS in UT city intro, and steady 50-60 during gameplay on my Hall of Giants server (when I connect through my switch). Not bad, at least I'm impressed. Again, UT doesn't take advantage of the dual procs either.

**Update, just for kicks I downloaded 3dmark 2001, benchmarked again in 3dmark 2000, and I will put the screen shots here:

[img="http://www.geocities.com/speshal_k/baseballcards/3dmark2001ocdet1200.jpg"] 3dmark 2001 score of 1574

[img="http://www.geocities.com/speshal_k/baseballcards/3dmark2kocdet1200.jpg"] 3dmark 2000 score of 3449

The 2001 score is actually pretty good for my card, puts it in some nice company (over the MX Pros and just behind the Radeon LE DDR)... now for the future games in high quality, I dunno... only time will tell, but I'm definitely thinking about a geforce 3 in my next machine (at year's end).

My Radeon LE will do 2400 with Hyper Z enabled but default clock (148/148) or 3100 at 195/195.