GF3 ti200 = ti500?

[Plumpy]

Can i turn my ti200 into a ti500 like I can make my XP 1900+ into a 2000+ (it was by bridging the L1 gaps). I'm almost certain they are the same chip, just the 200 is capped lower. Am I correct?

[DarkArctic]

Yes, they are exactly the same chip just at a slower clock speed. You can use a tweak program liek RiveTuner to overclock it. Ti200's are supposed to be excellent overclockers.

-DarkArctic

[Da Whip]

As you can see by my sig, they overclock well. I have had it higher, but I would occasionally get artifacts in JKII.
Best $100 I spent on my system.

[Mike K]

What are the Ti500 speeds? I wanna o/c my new golden sample Ti200.

[Da Whip]

They are stock 240/500. So you can achieve Ti500 speeds w/ a little O/Cing.

[Zaynee]

currently with my Gainward GF3 Ti200 it's running at Ti500 speeds 24/7, I have no problems at all, no lockups, no artifacts, for benching I have it running at 280/580, which is way past Ti500 speeds.. :)

[Plumpy]

So all i have to do to make it a ti500 clone is bring it to 240/500? Let me follow this up with a few questions

1. How do the benchmarks of a ti500 and a ti200 (at ti500 speeds) compare, are they exactly the same?

2. Will it still register as a ti200 in my system info? Or will it show up as a ti500?

[Da Whip]

Here is what my O/C looks like compared to a Ti500;
http://service.madonion.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/componentcompare&projectType=6&cCriteria=1

It still registers it as a Ti200. My O/C was 230/550

[Plumpy]

I understand. When you bridge the L1 gaps on the Athlon XP you can actually make it show up as a 2000+ during the boot sequence. Its just a picky little thing that doesn't really make any difference. Now here is the question that really gets you, is the ti500 capable of higher speeds (OC of course) than the ti200 (Overclocked) If they are the same physical chip then they should both be able to go to aproximately the same maximum clock speed. Is this true?

[Da Whip]

No the core and memory clocks are different. The Ti500 is 240/500 and the Ti200 is 175/400. So it has a bit of an advantage. But for the price it is very good.

[Plumpy]

I agree with that, i got mine GeForce3 ti200 64mb ddr for 83 dollars US. A comparable ti500 would cost 120 dollars.

[RoadWarrior]

My Ti200 GPU is pretty good, I can get it to 272 without lockups, which is as good as some ti500s will do, memory is another matter, craps out at 480, I'm waiting for a new PSU then I'll be voltmodding it to break 500 or so.

Road Warrior

[wilhelm310]

lol i have my geforce3 @230/530 and it only gets 6051 3dmarks thats less then the ti200:confused: the geforce3 has 6800 i cant get mine neer that score whats wrong?

[slim_lim]

Plumpy: GF3 ti200 overclock well for many ppl, but understand that they're not guaranteed to do so. ti200's often have slower onboard RAM that regular and ti500 varieties. I had a Visiontek gf3 ti200 and it only could hit 430mhz on mem - that's below 460mhz of a regular gf3. So, as always the case with overclocking, you pays your money and you takes your chances. ;)

wilhelm310: I think I've heard of that issue with GF3's before. Sometimes when you overclock a GF3 too much it will still appear to work fine but the performance will be reduced. Try clocking it down a little and see if your score improves.

[wilhelm310]

i tried that and the less you clock it down the lower the score

[Penguin4x4]

wilheim, what drivers are you using?

[wilhelm310]

Originally posted by Penguin4x4
wilheim, what drivers are you using?

k this is dumb but i just went back to stock drivers i get 5800 3dmarks with the clocks speed @ 200/460 and stock drivers aint this low?

[Penguin4x4]

Well, Tweakkerr went to Detonator XP Drivers and got an extra 2000 3DMarks..........

[wilhelm310]

Originally posted by Penguin4x4
Well, Tweakkerr went to Detonator XP Drivers and got an extra 2000 3DMarks..........

i had the newest drivers installed but still no luck still a score of 5800

[Emericana]

hey guys. i can not get my GPU past 237 without getting lockups / reboots... mem maxes out at aroudn 515 before getting artifacts.

can you all post what cooling you guys are using.

for me it is stock. however i have a 28cfm 80mm intake above the card. still dont know why i cant get better oc.

i tried before to take off the heatsink and use some artic silver onthe core but the plastic things would not even budge. i even tried using plyers to get them off but i had no luck at all.

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by wilhelm310
lol i have my geforce3 @230/530 and it only gets 6051 3dmarks thats less then the ti200:confused: the geforce3 has 6800 i cant get mine neer that score whats wrong?
unless your two pc's are absolutely identical you will get different scores.

3dmarks are not just a test of the video card. its of the whole system. testing how a game plays, not just how the video card can render it.

[Maxvla]

haha! check this thread out. gf3ti200 on a 1.2 celeron scores 6800... puts your system to shame.

[wilhelm310]

Originally posted by Maxvla
haha! check this thread out. gf3ti200 on a 1.2 celeron scores 6800... puts your system to shame.

you tryin to make me mad maxvla? lol i think its bad drivers my system is good

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by wilhelm310


you tryin to make me mad maxvla? lol i think its bad drivers my system is good
uh.. nope ;)
something is definately screwy.

[Maxvla]

stupid me forgot the thread link in my post above. lol.

here you are... (http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103257)

[Zaynee]

Originally posted by Emericana
hey guys. i can not get my GPU past 237 without getting lockups / reboots... mem maxes out at aroudn 515 before getting artifacts.

can you all post what cooling you guys are using.

for me it is stock. however i have a 28cfm 80mm intake above the card. still dont know why i cant get better oc.

i tried before to take off the heatsink and use some artic silver onthe core but the plastic things would not even budge. i even tried using plyers to get them off but i had no luck at all.

for me, I'm still using stock cooling, I haven't done any sort of mods on it at all, just how it was from Gainward..

[wilhelm310]

Originally posted by Maxvla

uh.. nope ;)
something is definately screwy.

maxvla why is my score so low? can someone help me lol

[Emericana]

zayne do you have a fan over it of any type? if so how many cfm? isnt it dangerous to run at 580 using stock cooling?

[wilhelm310]

he has a super v-card lol with stock cooling

[Emericana]

yeah i really am not sure that i believe you got that high with stock. that is over the speed of a ti4400! if you vmodded it i may believe you but i need to see some sort of proof cause that seems way way higher than anything i have ever seen with stock.... my firend got around that high but he used a sk6 with a 50cfm delta to cool it!

[Zaynee]

Originally posted by Emericana
zayne do you have a fan over it of any type? if so how many cfm? isnt it dangerous to run at 580 using stock cooling?

I have a low speed 80mm Panaflo on the top of the videocard, but that's about it..

and yes, this card is still completely stock, my old Gainward GF3 Ti200 died in 2 months for some reason so I RMA'd it to Gainward and since than I haven't touched it..

here is how the card looks like right now..

http://home.attbi.com/~echan78/videocard.jpg

[Zaynee]

Originally posted by Emericana
yeah i really am not sure that i believe you got that high with stock. that is over the speed of a ti4400! if you vmodded it i may believe you but i need to see some sort of proof cause that seems way way higher than anything i have ever seen with stock.... my firend got around that high but he used a sk6 with a 50cfm delta to cool it!

here is the top of the card, notice though, no mods or wire mods..

http://home.attbi.com/~echan78/videocard2.jpg

[Emericana]

ok i believe you hehe your gpu has a much bigger heatsink than came on mine. mine has this thin red orb on it while yours has some bigass circular heatsink... thats prolly why i cant get my gpu past 237 without lockups.

[Zaynee]

when I first benched the card, I didn't even using the 80mm fan on top, and I noticed even when I used it that it didn't matter any, I couldn't go any higher, but have you tried it yet?

the one that died on me looked different than the card I have now, but still the same Gainward GF3 Ti200 Golden Sample, but that one sucked at overclocking, only 230/525..

[Emericana]

heh i am sure i have the one that sucks at overclocking seeing how i can only get slightly higher than that card.

[Zaynee]

when you got your card, was it clocked at 175/450 or 200/450?

the one that died on me clocked at 175/450, even when I updated the BIOS it stayed at 175/450, while the new one came at 200/450

[Emericana]

no it came 200/450 and i didnt even install the drivers on the cd i installed just the latest detonators and it defaulted to that

[wilhelm310]

i think gainward's are the best for overclocking

[Plumpy]

Guys I put mine to 200/425 and it only gets 6060 on 3dmark, is that normal for the speed i put it at. Should i go higher? I saw no artifacts at 200/425.

[Plumpy]

I just OCed my GF3 ti200 to 220/475 and i got a 6295 on 3dmark2001. Here is my compare URL

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3917455

How high can i safely go? Also, 220 is the highest I can go with coolbits.reg Where can i get RivaTuner????

[Emericana]

depends on the card you have. on a gainward ti200 and a 1900+ my default 3dmark speed was 7300 and right now i get a little over 9000.

i dont know your cpu so i dont know how high you can get. on a athlon you should be able to break 8000 on any ti200 and break 9000, maybe even 10000 on a gainward ti200.

umm other than that make sure you have the 29.42 dets installed i got great performance with those. make sure you ram is in aggressive mode. as always try to overclock your cpu to the max....

here is how i test if a vid card core clock is stable... run 3dmark three times with all of the effects to the max, 4x AA etc at 1600x1200. if it freezes or does a cold reboot it aint stable. then i will play games on it for two hours. if the pc is still up and running i up the clock one mhz and try again.

for a gainward you should be able to get 230core no prob and i guess 250 if you have the ones with the good heatsinks (i dont :( ). on gainward you are guarenteed to get 500mhz on the ram on normal ones try for like 475... just watch for artifacts. it is a good idea to keep a fan above the card.

[Plumpy]

mine is visiontek and my processor is p4 1.5ghz. I can't overclock the CPU and I have no clue how to get 7000+ scores. I got a 6350 or so one time at like 220/500. Perhaps I am not OCing it enough?

[wilhelm310]

i hear ti200 get higher then that like 230/530 try the memory first slowly put it up by 5-10 mhz and test it eveytime with 3dmark

[larva]

Bear in mind exactly how much overclock is achievable varies from example to example, even with apparently identical cards. Wonder why one Ti200 only achieved 230 on the core while another may reach 245? It's not the same chip...

I had a Palit GF3-Ti200 that overclocked well (looks very much like the Abit cards I have seen...). It would do 235/540 with stock cooling, but the next one down the pike might do more or less. Upgrading the GPU cooler and an 80mm fan did nothing for the overclocking ability of this card. Sure we do the best we can with cooling, but it rarely makes a new performance level. Chips and cards are individuals, and really stout overclock comes from trying enough examples to isolate a really gifted one, not affixing more radical cooling.

Obviously water or liquid nitrogen can alter the playing field, but simple heatsink and fan upgrades hardly ever get ram from say 480MHz to 540. A card that does 540 with upgraded cooling will probably do the same 540 with the stock cooling if case airflow is adequate. And likewise a less gifted example that artifacts at 490 with stock cooling will most likely do the same no matter how much heatsink and fan you apply to it.

regards,
larva

[RoadWarrior]

Yeah, my GPU is like that, I took off the stock sink lapped it and gooped it and put it back, the hardware monitoring showed that it dropped 5C but it didn't get another MHZ. RAM cooling is really only indicated where it will run the first pass fine but will screw up on 2nd and third. Where cooling really benefits however is when you are over volting the RAM which may give you another few Mhz to play with but will often cause the situation above where you get one flying pass, and then artifact.

[Plumpy]

I'm getting frustrated. I pushed my ti200 to 250/550 (if i make the memory 575 i get artifacts) and i got just over 6500 in 3dmark. Some guy earlier told me he got 7000 right out of the box. What can I do to get it at least to 7000 maybe more?

I have the most recent detonator drivers, Windows XP, P4 1.5Ghz, 384mb RDRAM, and for cooling i have: 1 fan intake in bottom front, 1 fan pushing air out of middle of back, 1 CPU fan, 1 small (40mm) fan on the GF3, and of course a fan in the power supply. I can't overclock my P4 since I have an Intel board.

Here is something i tried. I opened the case (which lowers CPU temp by 10 degrees for me) and had 2 high powered fans (big one that can oscillate) pointing right into the case. I pushed it as far as it could go (250/550) and i still got 6500. My friend got 11000 with his ti4400!!! WHAT DO I DO!! Can you tell i'm frustrated?

[larva]

It takes a lot of P4 to make a big 3Dmark number....

I have a 1.6a at 2.4GHz (see sig for full configuration info) and it ran 8900 or so with my GF3-Ti200. Mine didn't stand quite as much clock as yours, I ran 240/540MHz. Although I didn't ever check it at the stock 1.6GHz, it would drop the score into the range you are experiencing. And you have only 1.5GHz, 256K cache instead of 512K, and the (obscenely) outdated 100MHz bus to drag your score down. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think your scores are normal for your platform.

If there is no way to influence the FSB on the Intel board, start there... I really doubt you will make the mistake of buying another Intel board, I suggest an Asus, Abit, or MSI. Either that or don't get too obsessed with your benchmark results.

regards,
larva

[Plumpy]

That really is my issue, that the 133mhz bus celerons/p3s are dominating me!!! Beside that I still get 99fps in counter-strike on maximum resolution, which is all i really want the card for (that is when it isn't OCed, which is how i have it when not benchmarking). It is just a little frustrating that I bought a p4 that is slower than my 1.13 ghz p3. If there were some way to adjust my multiplier without using the mobo (a program?) then i could definitely OC it a bit which would help.

I really believe its a CPU/Mobo problem and nothing wrong with the card i bought. But it will cost me at least 300 to upgrade to a 533 bus p4 and at least 250 to get an athlonXP, remember for either upgrade i need both a new CPU and a new Mobo

[Penguin4x4]

All Intel proc's have locked multipliers. You're only as fast as your slowest component. :p

[Plumpy]

i thought some third party boards weren't locked

[Penguin4x4]

The Processor multipliers are.

[Plumpy]

is there a way to change the bus on a p4 with intel board?

[Penguin4x4]

With Intels, the only way to OC them is by the FSB.

[Plumpy]

so then, how do i change the FSB on my P4 using an Intel D850GB mobo

[Penguin4x4]

Get a better motherboard, of course. :)