Going Watercooling

[dj_unforgetable]

Okay, im pretty sure im going to go to watercooling now. I can get a MaxiJet pump here, like 140gph. Next, i dont know if any hardware stores around here have vinyl tubing (the hoses') Does Canadian Tire have any? Or Lansing Buildall? I dont know. I dont want a cheap radiator, do i think ill get a BlackICE, or Danger Den Cube. For the Waterblock, I think its gonna be a swiftech. Other than the fans and the clamps, thats all right? Also, where can i get those clips to tighten the hose to the inlet/outlet of all this stuff? I live in Toronto, Canada, so be careful :-).

[HaywirE]

Unforgetable.

Okay, how much are you spending

Buy a 1600 AMD XP for 66 Dollars, and a ECS K7S5A That accepts DDR/SDRam w/ onboard lan & audio for $53 Dollars.

66+53=119

Newegg.com W/ 6 Dollar shipping is 125.

125 For a new chip, and a board. You will never get close to 1400 w/ watercooling. Also, do NOT expect 50-90f tempatures..Expect like... 95-120..

Just expect quiet, reliable cooling.

I hope i've made my self clear.

[ajrettke]

Originally posted by HaywirE
Unforgetable.

Okay, how much are you spending

Buy a 1600 AMD XP for 66 Dollars, and a ECS K7S5A That accepts DDR/SDRam w/ onboard lan & audio for $53 Dollars.

66+53=119

Newegg.com W/ 6 Dollar shipping is 125.

125 For a new chip, and a board. You will never get close to 1400 w/ watercooling. Also, do NOT expect 50-90f tempatures..Expect like... 95-120..

Just expect quiet, reliable cooling.

I hope i've made my self clear.

yeah because when you upgrade in a year that old XP1600 and ECS will really help you cool!:rolleyes:

I wouldn't get a BIX, i bought one and it was nice since it was small but I want something better. I bought a 89 camaro heatercore which is really big (8.5x7x2) I would look into getting a chevette heatercore, not only are they cheaper there better. For a pump I would buy an ehiem it is more reliable. Maze3 or gmemini high flow are good blocks.

I bought tubing at my local hardware store...we got a lot here (rochester, MN) I'm sure you can find one near you.

[ssjwizard]

ok well you will need a block swiftech blocks are good. im personaly using a maze2 geminis are good and ive heard the maze 3 is good aswell. i dont like the black ice radiators. id get an heater core i used to have a dd cube it was good to me but it has quite a bit of flow resistance beacouse of the narrow turns. you should be able to get the clamps at just about any hardware store just get the metal ones that use a screw to tighten.

[dj_unforgetable]

thnx for reply ssjwizard. For some damn reason, none of these damn hardware stores have a stupid vinyl tubing with 1/2" outside and 3/8" inside. I think i can get the clamps, but tubing is an issue. I can get the swiftek block for sure cause a store nearby sells em, but im not sure about heater core. I want this to be reliable.

Okay, which watercooling kit is the best for CPU cooling ONLY?

I only wanna know which watercooling kit is best.

[ssjwizard]

streight up no questions asked the innovatek kit whips butt. its the baddest mofo on the street as far as pre packaged kits goes. for a heater core you can go to just about any auto store i use the heater core from a 1986 caprice it measures 9x4.5x2" i added 1/2" barbs though personaly i use 3/8" it sells at auto zone around here for 16.95

[HaywirE]

Originally posted by dj_unforgetable
thnx for reply ssjwizard. For some damn reason, none of these damn hardware stores have a stupid vinyl tubing with 1/2" outside and 3/8" inside. I think i can get the clamps, but tubing is an issue. I can get the swiftek block for sure cause a store nearby sells em, but im not sure about heater core. I want this to be reliable.

Okay, which watercooling kit is the best for CPU cooling ONLY?

I only wanna know which watercooling kit is best.

I dont think i've made my self clear about you will NOT Get your money's worth watercooling w/ a 1GHz

You will spend 213 Dollars on the KIT!

Get a 1.6 For 66 Dollars, or a 1.8 retail for 102

[Oreo_The_Cookie]

This is what I'm going for:

Enermax 450W ATX Power Supply - $115

Swiftech Waterblock MCW462-UH - $90

Assembled Via Aqua 1300 - $55

89 Camaro heatercore - ~$50

Thermaltake A1278 Hardcano 2 Device - $50

Panaflo 120mm "HIGH" 103.8cfm 41.5dba H1A Fan - $30

Purple Ice Radiator Super Coolant - 2 oz - $8

All of it bought locally, and tubes and hose clamps will be in Canadian Tire

[ssjwizard]

haywire leave him alone let him get his wc on overclocking is a hobby yes we could spend less to get a faster system but do we care no its all about how much we can kick the chips ass and hav it still work for us or have you forgotten the basic principles of overclocking. yes its about the extra speed but do you think that anyone of us couldnt have just gotten the slightly faster chip and gootten it to preform just as well as one of our jacked up monstrositys?????? he wants to get into overclocking and extreme cooling then later when he upgrades his system he will have a bad ass cooling system to throw onto a better cpu and stuff to get awesome results.

PEACE

[Oreo_The_Cookie]

Originally posted by ssjwizard
haywire leave him alone let him get his wc on overclocking is a hobby yes we could spend less to get a faster system but do we care no its all about how much we can kick the chips ass and hav it still work for us or have you forgotten the basic principles of overclocking. yes its about the extra speed but do you think that anyone of us couldnt have just gotten the slightly faster chip and gootten it to preform just as well as one of our jacked up monstrositys?????? he wants to get into overclocking and extreme cooling then later when he upgrades his system he will have a bad ass cooling system to throw onto a better cpu and stuff to get awesome results.

PEACE

Yes, I'm gonna blow around $600Cnd for a full upgrade to watercooling, and I could really careless about the potential of my cpu, I know I could push it far, but I'm doing it more because I'm bored, and computers are my hobby, hopefully future career, what better way to prepare then to do things hands on

[dj_unforgetable]

ssjwizard, you took the words right out of my mouth. Belive me haywire, my AXIA has reached 1.4Ghz with air cooling before. But it was cause i had a nice SK-6. When i returned the SK-6 for my FOP, i had to stay at stock speeds. Right now, i dont care about speeds, the point is that i want to get into watercooling. I WILL be upgrading soon, but not now. Now I just was some info for watercooling. Orea the Cookie, where did you buy all your stuff from? (just copy paste your parts with store names beside em this time :-)

Cause You live in Toronto, I will know the names.

So innovatek kits is best right now right? What about Danger Den kit? (aside from tubing and all that stuff, all i want from Danger Den is Radiator)

Right now, this is what I am thinking of getting

Black Ice Prime Radiator : $72.09 CAD
Maze 3 : $66.75 CAD
MaxiJet Pump : ~$40 CAD for 140 GPH
fans, tubing, clamps ect cheap stuff i can get here.

What do you think? Is that any good? Please inform me on what i should/should not get...THNX

[ssjwizard]

ok now the black ice radiators arent nessicarily bad but they have abd cost to preformance ratio. they cost so much and preform less that a normal heater core. i actualy have one right here im selling if your interested. the maze 3 is a good block so thats a great choice. the maxi jets are good pumps but i would sugest you look for larger than 140 gph get the maxi jet 900 its 230gph and uses like 11W

[Oreo_The_Cookie]

Enermax 450W ATX Power Supply - $115 - pccanada.com

Swiftech Waterblock MCW462-UH - $90 - e-compuvision.com

Assembled Via Aqua 1300 (370gph) - $55 - e-compuvision.com

89 Camaro heatercore - ~$50 - find some garage get them to order it, since I don't know the price i overestimated to $50

Thermaltake A1278 Hardcano 2 Device - $50 - bigfootcomputers.com

Panaflo 120mm "HIGH" 103.8cfm 41.5dba H1A Fan - $30 - bigfootcomputers.com

Purple Ice Radiator Super Coolant - 2 oz - $8 - e-compuvision.com

[SkiFletch]

i agree, thats not enough gph on that pump you decided on. go with something that sports at least 200, bare minimum. if you go with 1/2" stuff, then jump up to 300gph. i myself like eheim pumps a bunch. the 1048 and 1250 models are pretty tasty. some local petstores sell them, especially those who are into fish a lot.

[dj_unforgetable]

Okay, i think im going with 3/8 stuff. How do i know the size of the MaxiJet pumps? Also, ssjwizzi, tell me about which one you are selling? and for how much?

Oh yea, that pump i said for 230GPH, it only costs $21 CAD, not $40...

[ssjwizard]

ok well im actualy selling my whole wc setup right now but i was spacificaly talking about my heater core. it is 2' deep 4.5' wide and 9' tall. it has 1/2" barbs but if you use silicone hose you can get it over the fitting still. tygon can probably also. vinyl will go but its going to be HELL to do so. i got some 3/8" vinyl over the 1/2" fitting on my pump it took me about an hour to do so though. anyways ill sell it to you 27 usd as it cost a little more to ship to canada than the us. if your interested in more of the stuff im selling pm me and ill send you a list.

[HaywirE]

A hobby is good, but making a stupid decision no matter what isnt cool. Dude, if i were you get the good stuff, then get a h2o kit.


Just making a point.

[dj_unforgetable]

What is the diff which i get first? It will all be happenning one way or another over this summer break....

This is how it stands:

MaxiJet 230GPH : $20.99 CDN
MAZE 3 : $66.75 CDN
BlackIce Radiator : $75.00 CDN
Fans, Tubing, Clamps : ~ $40CDN

is that good?

how do i make sure that it all is compatiable with a 3/8" system?

[madcow235]

i agree 100% get the watercooling stuff first. there is no point in getting a full new rig when you could have the wc setup leak tested and such by the time it comes

[socketman]

I would go for the tygon tubing. Silicon or vinyl will stain/bleach after a while. Your hoses will turn white = not pretty.

They sell tygon at usplastics.com Its expensive but good stuff. Other than that, good luck.

[ssjwizard]

most websites give you the option of both 3/8" and 1/2" i know danger den does. the pump will probably have to be adapted for anything so its just a matter of selecting the right part. as for the radiator im not sure but look around.

[dj_unforgetable]

Thats the nly thing I am worried about right now. From the Parts I selected, how do i make it all compatiable with 3/8" system? What if the pump inlet/outlet is too small? too large? same goes for the radiator, waterblock, what do i do then?

[illbreakit]

You gota use your imagination and get creative. Canadian tire will be your friend after your done LOL. That's where I got almost all my tubing and stuff(and from work). When you get it all together, assemble it OUTSIDE of your comp and runn it for 24 hrs, to test for any leaks. RTV silicone and shoo goo will be your friend if you find any.

[dj_unforgetable]

Is ther any real differance between the Black Ice Radiator and any heat-core? I can get a heater core for $60 easy, but the stupid Black Ice Extreme Costs $73. Whats the differance?

[packratbob]

Originally posted by HaywirE
A hobby is good, but making a stupid decision no matter what isnt cool. Dude, if i were you get the good stuff, then get a h2o kit.


Just making a point.

Think of water cooling as an investment. They last a really long time if u take care of them. And going H2o is not a stupid decision, its just u dont understand the ful benifits of it.

H2o will take u where air will not. hence u can get more value out of ur cpu. And regardless of was cpu he has at the moment he can still upgrade his system later and wc it. its not like the wc kits just gonna vanish when he upgrades.

oh yah unforgetable , a big thumbs up mate!!! h2o is almost need to cool the cpu of the future heck my xp puts out 115watts and i keep it to a cool 34 degs try to get that with air. haywire!! lol

[dj_unforgetable]

Okay, I think i can get a 89' Chevy Camaro heater-core for round $40. Should I just go for that instead of Black Ice Pro?

If i go with the 89' Camaro, how do i get it to use 3/8" settings? Im new to all this hardware stuff...i dont really work good with tools :-)

[dj_unforgetable]

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[The Spyder]

Originally posted by dj_unforgetable
Okay, I think i can get a 89' Chevy Camaro heater-core for round $40. Should I just go for that instead of Black Ice Pro?

If i go with the 89' Camaro, how do i get it to use 3/8" settings? Im new to all this hardware stuff...i dont really work good with tools :-)
Go to napa or whadever...... ask for a 86-89 chevy chevvete heater core- then go to home depot and get some 1/2inch or 3/8inch fittings that will fit inside the tubes of the heatercore, and find a friend or uncle thats good with soldering!

[dj_unforgetable]

Dang, so i need to solder eh?

dangit

[SkiFletch]

eh, sweating joints like that isnt hard. nothin that cant be solved pretty easily with a couple clamps, gloves, and a blowtorch :eek:

[dj_unforgetable]

This is kinda getting hard. Too many different situations. I dont deal with soldering and I dont think i know neone that can. Cause im new to this, I think its best if i go with a kit...What do you guys think of Space2000 kit? Please list all the greatest kits here plz. Thnx

[BBigJ]

There are two differences between the bix and a basic heatercore.
1)Heatercore works better
2)Heatercore is cheaper
All you are doing is spending money for the brand name with the BIX.

There's no need to solder. Just pick up some JBweld (about $5) when you by the barbs. That will get the job done (just lightly sand and clean the surfaces before you glue.)

[dj_unforgetable]

Thats the thing, im not a tooly sort of guy, if you take my meaning. I dont have have any power tools. I only use the basic screw driver, saw stuff. I dont have sand paper or anything like that. That is why I am now thinking of a kit as opposed to custom....

[SkiFletch]

well, how much cash are you lookin to blow? a little? a lot? somewhere in-between?

[dj_unforgetable]

no more than $250 CDN

[dj_unforgetable]

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[ssjwizard]

dj unforgetable let me help you out here ill sell you a heater core and ill solder in 3/8" barbs for you shipped for 30usd sound good?

[dj_unforgetable]

Hmmm. No thanks. I can get a good one here for less newayz :)

thanks for the offer

[Nforcer]

Hey dj

www.inmind.ca

they have a heater core on their site already done up as well

based in Peterborough, ON CAN

just thought that might help you out

Im in London - work at home depot.......gonna rig a sys up on my own =)

Lates

[dj_unforgetable]

Yea, that was the store I was talking about. NForcer, where would you get silicon or vinyl tubing in Canada? Canadian Tire, nor Home Depot sells that sort of tubing. Where would you get it?

Also, where can ya get an eheim pump?

[Oreo_The_Cookie]

Originally posted by dj_unforgetable
Also, where can ya get an eheim pump?

www.inmind.ca sells them and I know this place is a redistributor

Aquarium Services Mississauga
850 Dundas St. East, Mississauga, Ontario
CANADA L4Y 2B8
905-276-6900

[dj_unforgetable]

They are bloody expensive...

[Oreo_The_Cookie]

So get the via aqua 1300, 370gph for $55, I'm gonna wait a bit, not sure if the eheim is really worth the extra money

[Nforcer]

Ya im going with a via aqua 1300 as well

as for the tubing........im not sure yet

what exactly is the difference between the silicon tubing and the stuff that the depot or canadian tire sells?

[dj_unforgetable]

NForcer, I dont think they sell tubing at Canadian Tire or Home Depot. Silicone tubing is clear, thats it.

Also, what is the diff between 1/2" and 3/8" ? Is there a big diff. in the temps depending on which you use?

[ssjwizard]

not realy 1/2" just offers a slightly lower resistance. for people who the only thing that matters is flow rate they use 1/2" i use 3/8 its good for velocity and its easy to find fitings and such for it.

btw silicone is not clear its foggy white. the clear stuff is vinyl or tygon tygon is almost as flexable as silicone and it is clear. vinyl is cheep its clear and it bends pretty well it just cant make sharp turns without having kinking issues

[Nforcer]

just got home from work - they have clear tubing at the home depot that i work at

41c / ft for 1/2 ID (which is 5/8 OD)

1/2" clamps are 87c/ea

anybody know where i can price out an via aqua 1300 pump besides online in canada?

just want to make sure the online vendors arent jacking the price =)

thanks

[dj_unforgetable]

NForcer, do they have any 3/8" ID tubing? I think im going 3/8" newayz and need a store round here that has that kind of tubing

[Nforcer]

yup 3/8 as well

cant remember the price though........35c/ft rings a bell though

i checked the specs on this tubing and its rated for water / food (pop etc)

chemicals , gases etc etc etc

the only thing i can see being a problem is that it does kink fairly easily if you make sharp bends........but other than that it is good to go !!

i dont think tygon is worth $2-3/ ft USD !!

[dj_unforgetable]

Okay, im gonna use a reservoir system. What GPH should my pump be for maximum cooling? What GPH shold pump be for a 1/2" system as well?

Will the Via Aqua 1300 be enough to push the water through? Does it work submerged? How do i get the fittings onto the nozzle of the pump?

just a few questions...

[dj_unforgetable]

Also, the pump Via Aqua 1300 is "preassembled" and makes it look like it is inline. Is there anyway to make it into a reservoir sort of thing?

[ssjwizard]

yea just drop it into a resivior of watter and only hook up the outlet to a hose and now its submersible mode. inline pumps are pretty much allways submersable.

[dj_unforgetable]

Thnx, also, is the Via Aqua 130 enough for a 1/2" system with a reservoir?

[ssjwizard]

yea it should be fine the aqua via puts out just a little more than my pump does and i get great results with mine.

[GWN]

Hey Unforgetable

Just to let you know I live in Vancouver and I JUST got my rig up and running. I too wanted a kit but soon realized the only really good one is the Innovetek but it will run you around $300 and up in Canadian dollars. Trust me piece together your own. I used a Black Ice Radiator and now I regret it. Here is why. Why on earth would you paint the cooling fins, it only aids in insulating from the air passing over it. Most heater cores have bare fins which ends up cooling alot better. Get a heater core. As well I wouldn't skimp on the pump. I picked up an Eheim pump for $100 with a 3 year warranty and it is 100% silent!!!! I am not a do it your self kind of guy but it is all really basic. If you find a heater core with no barbs on it just go to an auto shop and ask them to put them on for you.
I will warn you right now DO NOT expect much of a temp change if your house is really hot. It is boling here in Vancouver and the only diiference I have seen with my new water cooling setup is 2c (Case temp is reading 39 with the door off, so that might be why) Very dissapointing but I have a few kinks to work out of the system. I can't find a 120 mm fan for my rad so I have a ghetto 80 mm zap straped to the RAD until my 120 gets here, block is not lapped and my T joint turned out to be smaller than 3/8 even though the Home depot package said so. The tubes will stretch over 3/8 or 1/2 so don't worry about the different sizes. My temps should come down a lot more once I have the proper fan and a new T and lapped the block. I am using a Maze 3 by the way.

hope this helps

[dj_unforgetable]

Thanks GWN, it really helped. As it stands, this is my setup:

Maze3 1/2"
Via Aqua 1300 1/2"
HeaterCore from DangerDen 1/2"
homemade reservoir (using the Eheim reservoir mod maybe)
10ft. vinyl tubing from HomeDepot (0.35/foot !)
hose clamps i still need to find somewhere

The complete total is round $250 CDN that is which shipping + handling + taxes all added up. Seems like an okay price.

I dont know if Home Depot sells hose clamps. I was actually thinking of using those strap plastic ones. The ones that sort of "click" and "lock" into place. The ones that TomsHardware Used in there THG3 video on watercooling for the radiator clamp. I dont know what they are called but they are white plastic. You can use em to hold together wires ect. I was planning to use those...

[Nforcer]

Hey dj - the depot sells the clamps ( 1/2" is 87cents each)

should be in the same aisle you got the tubing =)

just so all you guys know - my reservoir is curing =)

used a weatherproof elec box (6x6x6) and the 1/2" brass barbs are in and the caulk is curing.

I used a rotozip tool - the thing rocks - cuts anything you can throw at it !

i should have my heater core by the end of the week - i got a 89 Mustang heater core ( i think its a 89) and it measures 7 3/4" x 6" x 2"

im going to be making an external water station - probably out of wood , not sure yet.

i dont want to hack apart my antec 1080plus too much ;) and i need all of the space inside for hard drives etc etc

any questions please fire away - and if i think of any i will for sure post em =)

lates

[dj_unforgetable]

Lol, Nforcer you're right. Home Depot has it all! I was just checking online and it was under the Worm Gear Clamps, whatever that is....lol

Newayz, that looks final. Does neone wanna check?

Maze3
DangerDen HeaterCore
Via Aqua 1300
10ft vinyl tubing
6hose clamps

what do i need to add to the water so that nothing "forms" there? From Toms Hardware, they said to add one drop of dishwashing liquid or something. I am prolly gonna add from blue food coloring with some distilled water. What else?

[Penguin4x4]

If you can, try to get a UV light, be it an LED, neon, or cold cathode, and shine it on the resevoir. The UV rays destroys the DNA and RNA of bacteria and microbes.

[masitti]

Penguin, where can you get UV LED's?

[Nforcer]

ya i would like to know where to get uv lighting.

[dj_unforgetable]

This is selling for $28 CAD ina store near me.

Neon Light (Blue) for Case (12V) with Sound Activity

Is that what I should shine on my Reservoir?

[Penguin4x4]

It should say something like "UV" or "Black Light", Like this (http://jab-tech.com/ccd_black_light.html) I've heard of someone on this forum using UV LEDs, don't remember who,:(

[Nforcer]

also dj,

let me know when you get your dd maze3 - as i am leaning towards your exact setup:

via 1300
dd maze3
1/2" tubing

i am wanting to see some results for sure !

[dj_unforgetable]

Penguin, is the neon light that i listed okay tho?Or do i NEED a cold cathod? If not, is there any other way to get rid of any DNA, RNA or bacteria in the system?

[Penguin4x4]

Nah, it has to be UV or black light, link (http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview.jhtml?pid=37143300&pcatid=1&catid=101). An 80/20 Water/Antifreeze ratio should work if you can't find any UV lights

[dj_unforgetable]

cold cathodes are okay?

[Penguin4x4]

Any type's OK, but...DO NOT use UV Incandescent Bulbs, those summbitchez get hot REAL fast!!!

Taken from my last link:

Ultraviolet germicidal protection is a safe and proven technology that uses lamps resembling ordinary fluorescent tubes to generate UV-C light to kill bacteria, mold and viruses. Unlike antibiotics, microorganisms cannot develop immunity to UV-C light. Viruses are especially susceptible to destruction by UV-C.

[dj_unforgetable]

dont mean to sound stupid but....


cold cathodes are okay then right?

[Penguin4x4]

YES

[dj_unforgetable]

lol

thnx

[Penguin4x4]

Just remember: "UV" or "Black Light", "UV" or "Black Light"; ok?
:rolleyes: :D :cool:

[dj_unforgetable]

okay

thnx

[masitti]

Yep, that should work. Good luck man!

[GWN]

You can always use 20% antifreeze / coolant and the rest water. That works well and your tubes are neon green in colour as a result.

[Nforcer]

Hey - what order do you have things in your setup(s)

ex) Pump > WB > RAD > RES

this is the order i was thinking of just so the maze3 has lots of flow and by the time the water gets the the heater core it has slowed down a bit and can spend a little more time in the heater core to cool down.

any thoughts?

thanks

[masitti]

I would think you do Pump, Radiator, waterblock, rez, then back to pump. That way, the CPU gets the coldest water (directly from the rad), cuz I think the pump might heat up the water... or is that only in submersible? Anyhoo, I don't think it'd hurt to go pump-rad-cpu-rez.

[Nforcer]

ya not to sure........im not going sub - im using inline

anybody else?

it seems there are 2 camps

pump > wb > rad > res

or

res > rad > wb> pump

[JoeCool79]

There's several threads going around, but they all break down to this. There's going to be constant pressure through the system since it's closed system. So pressure out of pump and rad should be same. Seems like many of the big posters like it this way:
Pump -> Rad -> WB -> Res -> Pump
Wash, rinse, Repeat.
Of course this is just from what I read, I have to rig set up.

Joe

[dj_unforgetable]

It makes more sense to do Pump -> Rad -> WB -> Res -> Pump

That way the cpu gets coldest water. But I think im gonnna do what Nforcer did cause that is what most people do.

[Penguin4x4]

You want the coldest possible temps, thats why you're watercooling, :D

[dj_unforgetable]

How much cfm amd I looking for when I buy a fan for the radiator? The one I am getting is a Sunon 120mm 108cfm (4 pn) fan. Will that be too loud?

[Penguin4x4]

Link (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/tecar.html)

[dj_unforgetable]

Damn, why is Panoflo not listed there? I wanna hear what it sounds like.

[Penguin4x4]

That's what I would invest in, in any case. 2 M1A Panaflo 120's mounted in a push-pull setup

[h2sammo]

120 mm fans range from noise in the 30s into the 50s dBs.

buy several fans in the 30s (that will give you much lower noise that buying one fan at 45 dBs).

:D

[Nforcer]

just out of curiosity,

how much do you guys think the water temps are going to rise going from the heater core to the reservoir?

my reservoir is 6x6x6 and should allow the water to sit there a bit longer aka cool off more?

i just dont see how the water temps will rise coming from the rad and sitting in the res VS going from the rad straight to the WB?

i guess im just missing something =)

[dj_unforgetable]

Well, water arriving from the WB will be hot, and because the pump will add additional heat to the water, it is best to make sure the water is coolest JUST bedore it enters the WB. I think it is best that way

pump -> rad -> WB -> reservoir -> pump ect...

[dj_unforgetable]

I have another LAST question before I buy :-)

When i say i am going with a 1/2" setup, that means that ALL the barbs/nozzles on radiator, pump, WB are 1/2" right? Some people, for some reason, decrease size going into the radiator. Do i need to do that?

[Penguin4x4]

1/2"OD, 3/8" ID .

[dj_unforgetable]

No, No.

I want the tubing to be 1/2" Inside Diameter, i dont care what Outside diameter is....

When i buy my radiator, it comes it two. On with 3/8" fittings, or one with 1/2" fittings. I choose the 1/2" one vause by tubing it 1/2" ID in diameter right?

[Penguin4x4]

It should state 1/2" ID OR 5/8" OD. Where are you getting your supplies?

[dj_unforgetable]

Im getting tubing from home depot. This is what it says:

1/2"IDx5/8"ODx1' Clear Vinyl Tubing

I am getting the rad/WB from inmind.ca

all it asks is whether I want 1/2" or 3/8" fittings on the end.

[Penguin4x4]

When They(inmind.ca) say its 1/2" they mean: 1/2" OD, 3/8" ID. You'll need to use 1/2" or 5/8" OD tubing with 3/8" ID

[dj_unforgetable]

WHAT?!?!?! I dont understand this. When i say I want to use a 1/2" system does that not mean that the inside diameter (ID) or the tubing should be 1/2" ? If so, dont i need the radiator to be 1/2" as well?!?!?!?

The Via Aqua 1300 assembled pump I am buying comes only with the 1/2" fittings on them, no choice about that.

Inmind.ca allows a choice of either 1/2" fittings, or 3/8" fittings. But I want to use a 1/2" ID fitting. Is that right?

[Penguin4x4]

All fittings are measured by the OD. Your AquaViva Pump uses 1/2" OD fittings as well. You just need to use 1/2" OD tubing with 1/16" wall.

[dj_unforgetable]

what? there is no such thing as 1/2" OD.

What does OD and ID mean?

OD meands Outside Diameter, ID means Inside Diameter. If that is so, dont i need the hollow area (not the wall) to be 1/2" ? The hollow area is the ID isn't it?

[Penguin4x4]

Outside Diameter, Inside Diameter. The pump/radiator/waterblock are 1/2" OD and 3/8" ID.

[dj_unforgetable]

The nozzle on the radiator is barely anything. If I wanna run a 1/2" system, doesn't that mean that i need 1/2" ID tubing?!?!?

I can change between whether I want to use 1/2" or 3/8" tubing on the WB and Radiator, but the Via Aqua 1300 comes only in 1/2" system.....

that means the the ID is 1/2", not the OD.

[Penguin4x4]

ALL measurments are OD on the pump block and radiator.

[dj_unforgetable]

How sure are you?

[Penguin4x4]

2 outta 3 so far, do you have a link for the pump handy?

[dj_unforgetable]

http://www.e-compuvision.com/products_detail.asp?id=550&section1=watercool&section2=viaaqua


just go to www.inmind.ca and try to add the HeaterCore radiator to your basket, it will ask for your fitting size.

[Penguin4x4]

This is kind sorta like plumbing and stuff, right? ALL plumbing fittings and pipes are measured by the OD. Double checkeded on the pump, and Its all 1/2" OD, "1/3" ID, which is what everbody runs anyway.

[dj_unforgetable]

So what tubing do i need? 1/2" ID? 1/2" ID wil fit over the 1/3" ID of the pump right?

[Penguin4x4]

InMind has those UV cathodes, (http://www.inmind.ca/products/coldcath.html) I like UV. You could use it to clean your hands, just wave your hands in front of the light.......:D

[Penguin4x4]

1/2" or 5/8" OD and 3/8" ID tubing

[dj_unforgetable]

But If I get 3/8" ID, doesn't that mean that I will be running a 3/8" system? I want to run a 1/2" system. When I go to buy all my stuff, when they ask what nozzle size I want, do I say 1/2" or 3/8" ?

[Penguin4x4]

Unless you can find them with 5/8" fittings, just order the 1/2"ers

[dj_unforgetable]

I dont know Penguin. Are you sure what you are saying is correct?

[SLO_N8]

lol. Tubing is measured by ID, fittings are measured by OD. So a 1/2" ID tube fits over a 1/2" OD fitting. With some mat'l(tho I'm not so sure about vinyl) you are able to stretch 3/8" ID tubing over these 1/2" OD fittings. This way you have 3/8" ID thru your system. Even tho you don't really anyway :) Components like the inside of your pump/wb/rad will not hold a constant ID. Basically, its your choice. 3/8" or 1/2" tubing. The 3/8" should stretch over these 1/2" fittings....but its not a sure thing.

[Penguin4x4]

Ohh, tubing is ID and fittings are OD? K, future reference

[SLO_N8]

yea, a 1/2" barbed fitting is intended for 1/2" tubing....but the fitting can't have the same ID as the tubing that it needs to fit into ;)

You can overcome this but only with tubing that has a high elasticity...like silicone.....that tubing can easily stretch over a fitting that is oversized. Basically, fittings are not designed around elastic tubing :)

[dj_unforgetable]

lol, penguin i knew it.

So the 1/2" ID tubing will fit fine over the 1/2" OD radiator right?

[DKYoda]

I just put some brass 1/2" ID barbs on my 1300 ..
Sealed it up with RTV and it rocks !!!

[SLO_N8]

dj_unforgetable,

indeed ;)

[Penguin4x4]

There you have it, DJ. You were right in the first place. Geez this H20 cooling is sooo different from regular plumbing.

[vandersl]

Tubing sizes explained (maybe):

Male hose barb fitting sizes are always listed using hose Inner Diameter (ID). That is, a 1/2" hose barb accepts 1/2" ID hose. Since the outside of the barb has a 1/2" nominal diameter, the inner bore (that lets the water through) is always less than 1/2" - c'est la vie.

Hose sizes usually list both the inner and outer diameter. A 1/2" ID, 3/4" OD hose has an inner diameter of 1/2", and a wall thickness of 1/8" (2 X 1/8" = 1/4").

So, a 1/2" barb will accept 1/2" ID hose, but the barb will not have as big an opening for flow as the tube.

Edit: Oops - a little late to the party (got distracted writing reply). Guess it was already handled.

[Penguin4x4]

So I'm actually half right, :) Better than nothin'

[DKYoda]

Hmmm ... My barbs are 1/2" inside diameter ..
Measured it with my calipers !!

[Nforcer]

hey dj

look at it this way

do you want a 3/8" system or a 1/4" system?

because if you get 3/8 on your block and rad - then your system is flowing at 1/4"

if you get 1/2 on your block and rad then your system is flowing at 3/8"

simple =)


i know where all of your confusion comes from.....trust me

if you take a 1/2 barb and look at the inside part (the part where the water flows) its not 1/2 - its 3/8"

in order to get a true 1/2 system you need 5/8 OD - that will give you 1/2 ID

but your rad / pump wont have those fittings anyways so just go with 1/2 OD and your set.

[dj_unforgetable]

Okay. Thanks all for your replies. Just want to confirm this. When i am going to buy my WB, i will select a nozzle size of 1/2". Then I will go out to Home Depot and buy a few feet os clear vinyl tubing with 1/2" ID and 5/8"OD. Is that alright?

[JoeCool79]

Yeah, I think that's what they're trying to say, but NForcer just put another spin on things. Your intuition follows what SLO_N8 and Penguin are agreeing on now.

Joe

[dj_unforgetable]

Aight, one LAST question. Which one do you think is better? HeaterCore from DangerDen? or Black Ice Pro from Danger Den?

I have to wait round 2.5 weeks for HeaterCore, but I can get the Black Ice Pro right now.

Which one should I go for?

[Penguin4x4]

If you want the best temps, heater core.

[SLO_N8]

heater core

[dj_unforgetable]

Heh, that is what I wanted. But it is an odd size, larger than a 120mm fan.

Its dimensions are like 157x184x25 mm

That means that I can't cool all of it at once, I can only cool a portion cause the 120mm fan will only cover a portion of the heatercore....any solution to that?

[Penguin4x4]

Thats fine

[ssjwizard]

so make a shroud. that way air is pulled through all the fins all a shroud is. is just an adapter that goes from the size of the fan to the size of the thing its cooling. it can be done with some cardboard and duct tape for a cheep solution. others have gone the way of making them out of acrylic, lexan, and sheet metal it all depends on your budget and ingenuity

[dj_unforgetable]

Is there any example i can base mine one newhere here? pics?

[Penguin4x4]

http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/images/r0t404o.jpg
http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/images/r0t6jmi.jpg
Link (http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/19/cat19.htm?495)

[Nforcer]

Just picked up some plexi glass from work so i can make my shroud.

the reservoir is all done and water tight

gonna work on the shroud tonight and tomorrow - its gonna be a little bit of an odd shape - its a mustang heater core so its 6" wide and 7 3/4" to the top of the core and 9 1/2" to the top of the tanks

got all the wood to put the "water station" together

so were you guys able to agree on where the pump / rad should go?

thanks

[Penguin4x4]

Lower-most drive bays, on the rear 80mm exhaust fans, on the top of the case.


http://koolance.com/products/pc2-c/pc2-c_thumb03_L.jpg


http://koolance.com/products/pc2-c/main.jpg


http://koolance.com/products/pc2-901/901_thumb1.jpg


link (http://www.overclockers.com/articles533/index.asp)

[JoeCool79]

DJ U,

Didja check dtek for stock? They also have a heater core available at their site which is similar to the one on DD.

Joe

[dj_unforgetable]

Yea, but I am not getting it from DD. I am getting it from a distributor here in Canada. I wokred out conversion + S/H and it would be less expensive if i buy it from here. If DTek had a distibutor here in Canada, I would definatly get it....I am still working on how to make a good shroud without buying one...need a guide...

[Nforcer]

Having a hard time deciding between the DD Maze3 or the Swiftech UH block

any comments on either ?

going to be using a via aqua 1300 pump and a heater core - with a reservoir.

want to place my order today !

thanks

[dj_unforgetable]

NForcer, I have went though the same phase as you. Which block? Maze of Swifteck, and personally, I feel that the Maze3 is the better buy. Everyone buys em, and it must be for a good reason. I think you should go for the maze 3. There could be two possible reasons for this, either i am telling you to do so because It is indeed better, or it could be simply that if you did, we would have the same W/C setup :rolleyes:

No but really, from what I have heard all over the forums, the Maze 3, is the best, plus I like the plastic on top so i can see the flow of water ;)

[Nforcer]

ya..........check out my thread on DD Maze3 vs Swiftech in the main cooling section

50/50 at best

i think im gonna go swifty - with the via pump - at least this way you and i can compare our temps dj !

thanks for the reply !

[dj_unforgetable]

NP man. Have any pics of your shroud? If possible, could you make me one?, lol

[Nforcer]

dude its tough

im using a black & decker RTx and a rotozip and to get nice lines is really hard - but whatever

my setup is more function than beauty (its enclosed in a wooden box)

so you wont be able to see any of this stuff - as long as it works!

[ssjwizard]

hey dj you can make a shroud using a jig saw, some sheet metal, and some good metal epoxy. there are alot of ways to do it.

[dj_unforgetable]

i am planning to make eheim reservoir mod for my Via Aqua 1300, can UV light travel through PVC :rolleyes:

[Nforcer]

Hey Dj

whats the mod ?? like what does it do?

[Nforcer]

also - ive got my water station almost done and the fan i am using on the heater core - sunon 108CFM - is very loud - like keep me awake at night loud

definately need some ideas to tone that bad boy down !!

even enclosed in wood (5/8") with a lid - the wooshing noise going through the core is loud !

hmmmmmmmmm

any ideas?

[JoeCool79]

Nforcer,

I think he's referrig to something like these:
http://www.overclockers.com/tips209/
That one is with straight up PVC piping, but he could also do one like this over at Leufken Tech:
http://www.leufkentechnologies.com/watercooling.shtml
There was also a thread I started about this last week. I dug it up here:
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=880116#post880116
I personally think the last one is the way to go, since with the PVC mod the author reported that the setup created a swirl so he had to put a filter in there so that air woldn't be forced into the set up.
Here's my question. While talking with an auto mechanic, he said that if I have my resivoir at the bottom of the case, there will always be air the setup because the air rises to the top. From all those that have a setup with a resivoir on bottm, is this true? If so, I'd have to mount my resivoir on the roof of my case. I don't really mind, but I'd be nice to plan it out all perfect n' schtuff.

Joe

[Penguin4x4]

Oh, DJ: Sidewindercomputers.com will be stocking a new line of Deltas, details in this thread (http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106035). NForcer, a 7v mod should help considerabley (http://www.fanbus.com/faq/fanfaq.htm). Those Deltas, with a 7v mod, should run only @33dB. :)

[Nforcer]

how much CFM will i lose with the 7v mod??

[Penguin4x4]

'bout 25, but in the link, you can use a switch to use either 7 or 12 volts.

[Nforcer]

ok where can i get a sptd switch ? and is the 7 / 12v mod easier than doing a rheostat?

thanks penguin

[dj_unforgetable]

Well, I catually was looking at the eheim reservoir mod that is vertical. I wanted to know whether the UV rays from a ColdCathode can penetrate the PVC of the reservoir?

[Nforcer]

guys,

does the spdt switch have to be rated for 12v ? or can i just use any spdt switch??

for use in the 7v off 12v mod

[Penguin4x4]

12v, and make sure they can handle the wattage of the Sunon. They should be rated by watts and volts

[dj_unforgetable]

Can the UV go through PVC ?

[Penguin4x4]

It destroys PVC tubing. Tygon is a better choice. If it is the resevoir that is clear PVC, use Lexan, or if none is available, Lucite. At a last resort, use Plexiglass

[Nforcer]

hey penguin

i tried that 7v mod

weird things are happening though

when my fan should be in the low position (7v) it works - and i think its working full blast

when its off - the fan is off

and when the switch is in high position - the fan is still off

any ideas on what i did

i followed the diagram on www.fanbus.com to the letter

[Nforcer]

its weird

when i have it switched to low - the fan runs - and sounds to be in high mode

when i have it switched to hi - the psu bogs down and sounds like it is running at half speed - and the fan doesnt come on - it tries to but wont come on

???????

help

[Penguin4x4]

What is the wattage rating on the switch?

[Nforcer]

rated up to 6a

[Penguin4x4]

Its only rated by amps!?

[Penguin4x4]

<========New Locale, just so you know, :)

[dj_unforgetable]

Just a few more questions. Suppose I add 3-4 drops of DyeLite (which I dont even think they sell in Canada ! ), does that mean I need a Cold Cathode to light it up? I hae normal food coloring which is blue, But I would much rather like it to be a neon blue color. Is that possible? How would I accomplish that?

[Penguin4x4]

No, no. The UV Cold Cathode is used to kill germs, virtually eliminating the need for anything other than Watter Wetter and Distilled Water. You can use Dye Lite for effect, but not in killing organisms,:)

[Nforcer]

well now im in a bit of a crunch

which pump to go with?

it seems everybody is sold out of the via aqua 1300 (in canada) and eheim is low stock as well

from what i hear - about 3 weeks for eheim to come in stock - not sure on via 1300

booooooooooo to this

[dj_unforgetable]

Pengui4x4, yes, I know that Dye Lite does not kill germs in system. I was asking what I needed to do so that I get the water to glow neon blue.

NForcer, dont worry, I've been waiting for my Maze3/HeaterCore for about 1.5weeks and I have been waiting for my Via Aqua 1300 for about a week now. Everything seems to be sold out in Canada.

[RnPgrosz]

Originally posted by ssjwizard
haywire leave him alone let him get his wc on overclocking is a hobby yes we could spend less to get a faster system but do we care no its all about how much we can kick the chips ass and hav it still work for us or have you forgotten the basic principles of overclocking. yes its about the extra speed but do you think that anyone of us couldnt have just gotten the slightly faster chip and gootten it to preform just as well as one of our jacked up monstrositys?????? he wants to get into overclocking and extreme cooling then later when he upgrades his system he will have a bad ass cooling system to throw onto a better cpu and stuff to get awesome results.

PEACE

I couldn't have said it any better or agreed with you any more.:D

[Nforcer]

sweet

my order at e-compuvision went through today

should get it by tuesday or wednesday at the latest.

cant wait to put the swifty UH to work !

;)

[Penguin4x4]

Whoa, just got back from vacation, and my *unnamed* relative used 640x480x16 on his monitor, and this 1204x768x24 on mine is friggin huge! *clears throat* Go for broke, DJ. I dunno which combo'd get you that result. Friggin huge, I tells ya, :eek: