View Full Version : Couple quick DSL / Network questions
WyrmMaster
07-31-02, 10:51 PM
Just got the ok from my parents to get DSL :D :D :D :D :D
Anyway, we have two computers in the house that will be using the connection. My ISP's service is for "one or two computers, dynamic IPs". This means that i dont need a router right, just a hub. Or is the router still a good idea for security reasons?
Mr. Chambers
07-31-02, 11:37 PM
good god man get yourself a router are you crazy!?!?! :D
ahem.. now that im over that outburst, i would still get a router, dynamic just means that it changes periodically.. mine is dynamic and my ip has been the same for more than 24 hours at times... they just switch ever so often.. you DEFINATELY still need a router my friend.. they arent that much more than a hub my good man
WyrmMaster
08-01-02, 07:37 PM
Yah, thats kinda what i figured.
engjohn
08-01-02, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Chambers
good god man get yourself a router are you crazy!?!?! :D
ahem.. now that im over that outburst, i would still get a router, dynamic just means that it changes periodically.. mine is dynamic and my ip has been the same for more than 24 hours at times... they just switch ever so often.. you DEFINATELY still need a router my friend.. they arent that much more than a hub my good man
My IP is dynamic, but it has not changed in 6 MONTHS!!!
Originally posted by WyrmMaster
Just got the ok from my parents to get DSL :D :D :D :D :D
Anyway, we have two computers in the house that will be using the connection. My ISP's service is for "one or two computers, dynamic IPs". This means that i dont need a router right, just a hub. Or is the router still a good idea for security reasons?
the hub wont work, you'll need a router. This is due to the way the device operates on the osi/rm (open systems interconnect reference model) which is the approach to specifying rules for computer communication. The router performes on the network layer. The network layer is concerned with controlling the operation of the subnet. A key design issue is determining how packets are routed from source to destination.
This means that in order for information to get routed to a computer on a lan (subnet), you'll need a router to be able to route that information.
The hub works on the physical layer (layer 1), which is responsible for actually transimitting the packets which at the point on layer 1 is called a frame, onto the actual medium. Therfore, using a hub, will do nothing. It's the same thing pretty much as a repeater (strengthens up a signal).
In conclusion, you need a royter and not a hub.
Sorry for this huge post of information when i could've posted a simple answer. I just wanted to let you know why you'd need a router and not a hub.
Mpegger
08-02-02, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by Royal
the hub wont work, you'll need a router. <snip>
In conclusion, you need a hub and not a router.
<snip>I just wanted to let you know why you'd need a router and not a hub.
Someone miss thier morning coffee?:p
My 2¢ added in: Alot of routers also have some form of built in firewall. Throw in some freely availalbe firewalls on each computer and you'll have some peace of mind.
heh, time for bed. It's been a long day and it's fixed now. Thanks for catching that.
Ridenow
08-02-02, 02:45 PM
I have this one's big brother, RO318, and have been very happy with it.
http://www.netgear.com/product_view.asp?xrp=4&yrp=12&zrp=93
It does routing with DHCP and NAT, full 10/100 4 port switching and a nice firewall, all for under $80.
TRANCER24
08-02-02, 04:54 PM
you only need the router if your isp only gives you one ip address. if they give you 2 then you could run both computers on the same dsl modem just use a hub or switch.
WyrmMaster
08-02-02, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by TRANCER24
you only need the router if your isp only gives you one ip address. if they give you 2 then you could run both computers on the same dsl modem just use a hub or switch.
Yah, thats kinda what i thought, it is supposed to be 2 ips, but newegg has a d-link router for 54.00, so il probably just go that way.
Mr. Chambers
08-02-02, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by TRANCER24
you only need the router if your isp only gives you one ip address. if they give you 2 then you could run both computers on the same dsl modem just use a hub or switch.
but i for one would be would be slightly worried about security if going just the hub or switch way..
Originally posted by Mr. Chambers
but i for one would be would be slightly worried about security if going just the hub or switch way..
for what reason would you be worried? Yes SOME routers have firewalls, but not all. Even if the firewall does have a firewall, it is so standardized and will only work for incoming traffic only. You can just get a software firewall which'll do the job better.
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