My ego made me quit warcraft 3

[batsstab]

Man for some reason I just can't stand losing in multiplayer. I have become so worried about losing that I can't even get myself to click on the play game button anymore. This is the only game I have ever played that has done this to me. I was never good at quake 2 or 3 and regular halflife deathmatch and I was always that guy that would go 2-30 versus anybody good but I would kick other n00bs butts. Yet I would still play the game alot. Same with starcraft and aoe. Maybe it is the lame tactics being used in warcraft right now but man that game is just ****ing me off right now. The last straw was when I was in an arranged team game and both my friends got wiped out by a triple mage rush within the first 5 minutes. One of my friends heros lived and we defended my undead base with all we had. We ended up losing but I took the 1st place score in the game. I guess it just made me realize even though I flat-out out played the other 3 people we still got owned hardcore. ARGGGGGGG my friends and I refuse to use cheese tactics but then we just get owned in the first 2 minutes. I know that random team isn't as bad but what fun is multiplayer when you are playing with people that don't talk to you or just aren't on the same page as you.

[Yodums]

WC3 is very fast paced. I'm still getting the hang of it. The way you use your money is very important, one single move will turn the game right around in a real game. Like any other hobby the secret of being good is to practice. Revise your tactics, think of what you did wrong, WC3, SC, AOE etc is all strategy, it involves some brain input at the start but once you have it, you just know to own ;)

No one is going to walk you through everything, you must realise what you did wrong after a game and find a way to work around that. Unforunately I haven't been doing that myself and I'm going to start to!

*Screams MospeadasDark where the heck are you!*

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[MospeadasDark]

It's a lot more fun if you get an actual team together and play. You're usually at a significant disadvantage in 2on2 3on3 with random partners due to no teamwork=\

The reason why mass casters work so well is because it's a team work thing. UD prolly have the best casters in the game and are even better on H's archmagi for mana aura.

And you can't think "cheese" is cheap. If you can do it, and they can do it--it's fair. In war3 there aren't any extremely high damage units like reaver/DT that completely dominates and kills everything in 1-2 hits. Even casters live pretty long and do 150% damage to all the tier 3 melee.

[MEMex]

Your situation remind me when i first play Starcraft...

On b.net everyone concidered people to be a nOOb if you havn't played it for like 3-4 months lol...

I dunno how long W3 come out but i'm goign to have to feel the wraith of being the stuiped noob in the game alllll over agian :(

The thing is, it takes months b4 you mastered it and get accustumed to the pase of da game :D

Dont let losing discoruge you, just keep playing it like its the end of the world :eek:

[batsstab]

No im use to the fast pace since I have played like 200-250 or so games the problem is the cheap srategies that are being used in arranged teams. When you go against 3 humans and they all power build their altar in like 5 seconds and than all get mages 1 with blizzard 1 with the aura and 1 with water elements and then they attack within the first 2 minutes what are you suppose to do??? Unless you and your teamates did the exact same thing odds are noone will have a hero or a basic unit yet so this means that 1 of your firends will get wiped out within the first 4 minutes and another one will be crippled due to the fact that all his peons will be wiped out. Its just cheese like this that I cant stand.

[MospeadasDark]

Well, blizzard is really easy to stop. It's prolly the worst spell the archmagi could get. I can see how aura+water elementals can get annoying.

But it's not like u don't have heros of your own. UD, sleep takes one out. Carrion swarm is a great hero killer. Nevermind the fact that you have ghouls ready.

Orc has their own wolves. War stomp works and stuns.

NE, DH hero could easily kill a magi. Wisps to detonate. KotG to entangle elementals.

Point is, by the time they get a hero and walk to your base, you should have a hero and 2-3 basic units. You are always at a disadvantage when attacking someone's main.

[Wombat Woo]

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I can't stand WC3. The game is usually over before anybody can produce the cooler stronger units. It's just a bunch of gorilla warfare with the grunt's. I also hate losing in RTS games, unlike Quake, or unreal. The game is not as much reliant on fast reflexes as it is thinking out stratigies. Its like chess. You could do your moves really fast and watch how fast you lose :) When I sit down to play an RTS I want the game sessions to last like 4+ hours.

I also hate getting killed in mmorpg's, but I think thats just because nobody has done it right yet. Class based systems NEVER work with pvp. Skill based is really the only way to go. Also click & sleep fighting is never any good for pvp either. Asheron's Call was great. You could *physically* run around and dodge spells and arrows. You could jump up onto roof's and start shooting/casting arrows/spells from up above. Run behind trees, buildings, etc to avoid getting hit with spells/arrows. I think I would have enjoyed Darktide if it was not for item loss, and the cheating *speed hacks*

[batsstab]

Originally posted by MospeadasDark
Well, blizzard is really easy to stop. It's prolly the worst spell the archmagi could get. I can see how aura+water elementals can get annoying.

But it's not like u don't have heros of your own. UD, sleep takes one out. Carrion swarm is a great hero killer. Nevermind the fact that you have ghouls ready.

Orc has their own wolves. War stomp works and stuns.

NE, DH hero could easily kill a magi. Wisps to detonate. KotG to entangle elementals.

Point is, by the time they get a hero and walk to your base, you should have a hero and 2-3 basic units. You are always at a disadvantage when attacking someone's main.


No on some maps humans can power build their altar(all starting 5 peons on atltar first thing) than the 2 other humans teleport their power built mages to the base of whoever is closest to the enemy and attack before the enemy has a single troop. You would be amazed at how fast a triple mage rush can take out someones base within the first 2 minutes. If they do survive they probably will not have any peons so they are really screwed in the long run. The only straegy I have seen in arranged teams is massing tier 1 units. In fact the game is decided by who has the best build order for massing tier 1 units. No creeping at all just sending masses of tier 1 units at each other and who ever has the most hp out of all the mass tier 1 armies wins. I hate this kind of play so much I can't stand it. I haven't creeped in an arranged team game forever because its either attack first with your 5 ghouls and a lvl 1 hero or be attacked by 5 ghouls and a lvl 1 hero.

[MospeadasDark]

Next time this happens, send me a replay. I gotta see this.

Creeping is so safe because you can teleport home. If you creep your hero is higher level and should have no problem w/ a lower level hero.

[MEMex]

I wounder what would happen if you take Warcraft3 and Starcraft and mix them in the same map... hmmmm

I wounder who would win :rolleyes:

[dmk182]

I play wc3 a lot and i dont personally never see things like what u are talking about happen. That may just be because i play 2v2 arranged and u do 3v3. I would agree that most arranged team games involve massing tier 1 units, at least early to mid game. I would never play to stop a all out rush but i would mass units as early on in game as possible. I would also make sure that u scout out ur oppenents. Occasionally, people try pulling a massive tech strat on u, and that is something that is very important to stop quickly. Thats the kind of info that can give u the upper hand. If u find that the enemy has a lot of units, i would recommend continue massing and also creeping at the same time. Creeping is one of the most important parts of the game. The key to creeping succesfully is to make sure u dont lose units. if u lose a lot of units, u have defeated the purpose of creeping; which is to have a high lvl hero. That high lvl hero though is nothing special if he is alone tho, as he will be easily killed by any force, even if it's against a lvl 1 hero. For this reason, allways creep with a good amount of units and make sure to keep sending in reinforcements to help creeping. If u get attacked while u are creeping, immediately portal back to base, alt click on ur base (make the little !) and yell help, and go into a defensive mode. You'll notice that each and every race is equiped with something to help fend off an attack. For orcs it's the burrows with peons in em, for human it's militia, for ne it's moonwells (make sure the heal is set to autocast), and for undead it's spirit towers. If ur partner has any skill at all and has portalled into ur base u should be able to take care of them with no dificulty due to the home base advantage. It's likely that you'll beat them easily, in which case you'll want to counter attack if u have enuf guys. You'll also want to scout for expos they may have and attack those and also get an expo urself, as this is an absolutely ideal time to get one. Also begin climbin tech tree. Where u go from here is up to u, but make sure it has tier 2 and 3 units in it, as these will be what wins, not tier 1 units (one exception: fully upgraded grunts) And make sure u have teamwork. Every fight ur in should be with ur partner therefore NEVER ATTACK ALONE AND ALWAYS BACK UP PARTNER, EVEN IF U THINK HE"LL "SURVIVE" There is a big dif between winning a battle and desimating their forces :). Other than that, gl and keep playin. You'll get better gradually and you'll start to enjoy beating up on newbs again :) Gl and pls send me one of those replays of u gettin triple mage rushed, as i would definitely like to see that (dmk182@yahoo.com)

[kd7aze]

Originally posted by Memex
I wounder what would happen if you take Warcraft3 and Starcraft and mix them in the same map... hmmmm

I wounder who would win :rolleyes:

"Anybody need a light" - stimmed Vs. "Ooh-Keey." I can't really see even mages taking these guys out en-masse.

Or the zergling rush. Mage versus a god-awful lot of little, cheap creatures. Mage paste.

Mage casts spell, removing 90% of the reaver's HP. Reaver spamms mage with scarabs, killing mage.

:D Me likes...

[Oni]

You just have to play a lot to get good w/ your chosen race. You really should play them all a bit and see which one floats your boat the most. For me it's the NE. I'm starting to get pretty good w/ them . . . almost got my build order down, too ^_^