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Hi Guys,
I know this has been discussed before but I have 2 computers that needs video card upgrade from MSI geforce2 MX. $100 - $160 is my limit for each card.
I want a good card all around card that will be somewhat future proof. I am not going to be counting each frame but I will play games.
Please help.
Here are 2 systems that I have
system 1:
P4 1.8 @ 2.6GHZ
ASUS P4B266
2 X 256MB PC2400
IBm 40Gb HDD
Audigy
system2:
AMD 1600+ @ 1800 MHZ
2 X 256Mb PC2700
IBm 40GB
SB Live
Mr. Chambers
08-09-02, 11:48 AM
yes, it has been discussed before but before you shun it off and ask again, be sure to check those old thread out with a search - they're MOST helpful.. tons of buying tips, etc etc.
as for the answer, probably still a Geforce4 Ti 4200 still. these cards are great. If you're looking for a feature rich card, look into the ATI all-in-wonder line. however if its mostly games out to 1 monitor, id say get the geforce.
also if you're ati minded, the 8500 is a very good card, although about 5-8% slower from what i've seen. good luck buying
funnyperson1
08-09-02, 01:03 PM
Ti4200, but i would wait till end of August when R300 comes out to make any purchases
Hi Guys,
Thanks for the response.
I guess 4200 is bit faster than 8500LE and there should some price drop after 9700 comes out, right?
I am concerned about I think though. How's 4200 2D speed. I already Have geforce3 TI200 in 1 system(another athlon system for my wife) and it is slow in winxp 32bit. I can see the icon redraw often.
Lastly how much is Geforce4 Ti4200 128mb faster than ati8500LE?
Mr. Chambers
08-09-02, 02:03 PM
try a google search for some benchmarks, but a 4200 would blow away a 8500le at stock... when you OC it it gains some ground, but the geforce is still going to be faster.
2d quality as far as i'm concerned is always going to goto ATI. great dvd and 2d cards. but you shouldn't be able to see your icons refreshing.. how much memory do you have? whats your refresh rate set at?
garasaki
08-09-02, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by sulu
I am concerned about I think though. How's 4200 2D speed. I already Have geforce3 TI200 in 1 system(another athlon system for my wife) and it is slow in winxp 32bit. I can see the icon redraw often.
The problem you describe has nothing to do with the speed/quality of the video card.
The Ti4200 is the best out there right now for your price range. However, it's hard to pass up some of the deals on 8500LE's right now (less then 100 bucks).
funnyperson1
08-09-02, 02:35 PM
yeah, while in your pricerange 4200 is best, for the 5-10% decrease in performance id rather save 70 bucks and get an 8500LE
hellrazrblade
08-09-02, 02:43 PM
just remember than 8500LE < 8500 retail
they're slower, but if you wanna overclock it, i think they go roughly as high.
GoldenTiger
08-09-02, 03:07 PM
GeForce 4 Ti4200 128mb Evga version: dual monitor support, video in and out, great overclocking and a great GPU heatsink (instead of the puny orb-style ones on most cards)... you can't lose! MSI's also a good one.
GoldenTiger
08-09-02, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by funnyperson1
yeah, while in your pricerange 4200 is best, for the 5-10% decrease in performance id rather save 70 bucks and get an 8500LE
More like 20-30%...
and in antialiasing the performance difference is incredibly large. With the latest dets, the Ti line takes very little hit from anisotropy. The R8500 with the latest Catalysts still takes a gigantic hit from antialiasing. It's far more future-proof than the R8500 since it can OC to Ti4600 speeds easily and is more advanced.
Oreo_The_Cookie
08-09-02, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by GoldenTiger
More like 20-30%...
and in antialiasing the performance difference is incredibly large. With the latest dets, the Ti line takes very little hit from anisotropy. The R8500 with the latest Catalysts still takes a gigantic hit from antialiasing. It's far more future-proof than the R8500 since it can OC to Ti4600 speeds easily and is more advanced.
Your comparing two different things there, the 8500 also takes a very little hit from anisotropy, and the 4200 also takes a gigantic hit from antialiasing, but overall yes the 4200 is faster, by about 5-10%, but if you go price/performance I think 8500 would still come out as the best available card
GoldenTiger
08-09-02, 04:57 PM
Oreo, that is incorrect. The Ti4200 takes about a 10-20% hit from antialiasing, whereas the radeon takes an 80-90% hit. The Ti4200 with the latest dets is almost as fast in anisotropy as the Radeon 8500 is. In normal stuff it is a good 20-30% faster than the Radeon 8500. The R8500 competes with the GF3, not the GF4. They're not even in the same league, especially once you OC the Ti4200.
ATI will always have better imagine quality (2d for sure, 3d possibly) than any nvidia. I like ATi because they are dirt cheap and nice quality. the radeon 8500 is just a tad bit slower than a 4200 but only 100$, and for a 128mb version 155$. You can't complain on money there. Also with every ati driver they only get faster and nicer, unlike nvidia's. But before buying anything wait for the 9700/9700pro and 9500 to come out. then the 8500 will be like 50$ and the midrange card will be the 9500.
btw in 2d radeon 8500 will eat any gf4 alive...
Viper67857
08-09-02, 08:14 PM
last i heard, the 8500LE's at that new(thing a chicken lays) place were shipping with the 3.3ns hynix memory, as opposed to the 4.0ns on some of the other LE models. You can easily clock the memory on those things to 330+ (may need ramsinks...), provided the card is pushing enough voltage (if not, the pencil works great), and usually the core will run at 300 with stock cooling. Oh, they are also like $87... The 4200's have also dropped in price, though, and can be had for around $130.
for the money its hard to beat the 8500.
GoldenTiger
08-09-02, 08:34 PM
GF4's have HIGHER quality filters and RAMDAC's than the 8500 and 9700 do. GF3's have slightly worse ones. GF2's have much worse ones.
MospeadasDark
08-09-02, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by GoldenTiger
GF4's have HIGHER quality filters and RAMDAC's than the 8500 and 9700 do. GF3's have slightly worse ones. GF2's have much worse ones.
Got link? I mean other than nVidia announcing they would be more strict about its filters to the card vendors.
Nevermind that the 9700 aren't out yet so you couldn't make a comparison.
Silversinksam
08-09-02, 10:57 PM
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112772
Hows a Ti500 for $107 sound ;)
using code "GEEK8853" at checkout to make the price even lower - $92
funnyperson1
08-10-02, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Silversinksam
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112772
Hows a Ti500 for $107 sound ;)
using code "GEEK8853" at checkout to make the price even lower - $92
SSS, you are amazing:D
Cisco Kid
08-10-02, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by Silversinksam
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112772
Hows a Ti500 for $107 sound ;)
using code "GEEK8853" at checkout to make the price even lower - $92
that is truly awesome deal, SSS which of the 2 would you choose now the gig 8500 or the Ti500??
Cisco KId
Jimingle10
08-12-02, 11:18 PM
You shouldnt have ur icons refresh like that, nvidia does have a slightly noticeable slower 2d rate but overall i like their cards much better...spend the few extra bucks for a ti4200 and do not buy till Sept. 1st!
Cisco Kid
08-13-02, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Jimingle10
You shouldnt have ur icons refresh like that, nvidia does have a slightly noticeable slower 2d rate but overall i like their cards much better...spend the few extra bucks for a ti4200 and do not buy till Sept. 1st!
are you referring to my refreshing avatar, if so why should they not refresh, lets hear your reasoning, LOL
Cisco kid
imho get an 8500LE 128 DDR, keep it for 6 months , sell it then get a 9700 when price comes down
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
are you referring to my refreshing avatar, if so why should they not refresh, lets hear your reasoning, LOL
i'll stick around to hear this one :D it should be interesting.
www.ocsystem.com
has some pre OCed cards a 4200 that outperforms a stock 4600 for about $175 I think. Dunno if they have a warranty or not. :/ might wanna check it out.
Originally posted by zulu42
www.ocsystem.com
has some pre OCed cards a 4200 that outperforms a stock 4600 for about $175 I think. Dunno if they have a warranty or not. :/ might wanna check it out.
NEVER BUY FROM THAT SITE! lol... their resellerratings suck! and we've gotten several people that have had bad dealings with them.
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2227.html
lol , sorry , didnt know they had a scheibe rating. They look like an ok sight. My freind had ordered a vidcard a week ago , no hassles at all. now that I read the reseller ratings BUY AT YOUR OWN RISK , heh. I go with newegg , they seem to be the best around for me anyways.
Henry Rollins II
08-13-02, 04:22 AM
Iīve seen the 8500LE /w 64 Mb for about $110 now. I paid more than twice as much and I still think it was cheap. I donīt think there is a point in getting a 128 Mb version, you donīt need all that memory. Be aware of that the LE versions(at least ATI made) doesnīt overclock very well even though some of them(mine) have the exakt same memory chips as the retail version. Something about RAm voltages I think.
Another option is the GF3 Ti200, you can get the 64 Mb version for about $90!!
regards,
Henry
Exar Jun
08-13-02, 07:47 AM
Newegg has the 8500le 128 mb for 109!!
Silversinksam
08-13-02, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
that is truly awesome deal, SSS which of the 2 would you choose now the gig 8500 or the Ti500??
Cisco KId
I'd go with the Gigabyte radeon for $82 even though the ti500 is faster, but they are both excellent cards and two great deals.
I happen to like the Gigabyte hardware monitoring and built in overclocking software.
Originally posted by Silversinksam
I'd go with the Gigabyte radeon for $82 even though the ti500 is faster, but they are both excellent cards and two great deals.
I happen to like the Gigabyte hardware monitoring and built in overclocking software.
Tell me more Silversinksam, I need a new vid card that is cheap and I can lean pretty hard on.:D
Originally posted by Silver
Tell me more Silversinksam, I need a new vid card that is cheap and I can lean pretty hard on.:D
that better be for a different system. you are hereby not allowed to dismantle your system due to great overclocks and incredible 3dmark scores. :p
Thought the processor gave out but alas that was not the case. Not the ram either, psu was fine, mobo was fine......vid...not fine. Was doing some preliminary benching and the screened closed much like a movie theatre screen and no posts after that. Pulled all apart and tested. Vid is dead. Put it all back together and geuss what the new bottle neck is...mx200 pci...:( Great little card for flashing bios's and in a bind but with a 2.27Ghz...not good...real, real, really, reeealllyyyyy slow.:eek:
Now I need a cheap card (no money now) that I can lean on pretty hard and we will see where it goes.:D Figure $150 tops.
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