No fair, I want to get my Athlon 1600 up to 2 ghz!

[soundfx4]

I just saw that someone around here has gotten there athlon XP 1600 up to a little over 2ghz!! If this is true then I want to do it too!! Ummm...so any suggestions? I am running on a MSI motherboard K7T-Turbo limited addition. If there is a way I can do this then please let me know. I have tried to rais my FSB up before but was unsucsessfull as it was unstable. I guess the only way would be to unlock my processor, and I don't want to do that if I don't have too. BUT I WILL if it is necessary. Anyway else have the Motherboard I have that has accomplished any overclocking? My board specifically says that it is built for overclocking so I should be able to overclock it. At least by a little bit. Let me know what you all think. I appreciate the help!

[Silver]

You should definately be able to get more out of that processor than 1.4Ghz. I do not own that board or one like it so for now I will leave it alone however should no one else assist you then I will jump back in. I would look for someone to take this though and run with it.

[Yodums]

What stepping do you have? I think your ram can be a bottleneck and you'd have to use the multiplier.

[phungilax]

Originally posted by Yodums
What stepping do you have? I think your ram can be a bottleneck and you'd have to use the multiplier.

Yeh i agree with Yodums. If you could upgrade to a ddr board and get good pc2700 ram in there, it should unlock the potential of the 1600+ you have. Also a new motherboard with better overclocking abilities could help. Cooling is also another thing to consider

Phungilax

[soundfx4]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! You mean its because my board only supports PC133? NOOOOO :cry: :( I can't afford another mobo, besides I love mine :( And if I get another Mobo, this board will set inside it's box untill it is COMPLETELY obsolete! Is there anything else I could do? Anything at all? Please let me know what I could do, at least untill I am able to get another newer Mobo

[beau_safken]

Bite the bullet and get an Epox 8k3a. You could wait until they are selling refurbs on NewEgg if ya want...Only a hundred bucks or so for retail one. Not wanting a good motherboard isn't a good idea. You can't expect to overclock with a junk board especially one that isn't even DDR...Least as high as you want to go...

[residentevil2]

i dont see u on 2 ghz with a 1600+ unless u pump 2.1 volts or more also u need a good stepping such as agoia Y or aroia Y .

A good mobo and nice ram will get u thier 2 but u should be able to more than 1.4 ghz ( Unless you have the older 1600+ with crapp steppings ) Most 1600+ even with these stepping cant get overclocks like the 2000+ and up ( unless u pump those craizy vots in it lol )

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by beau_safken
Bite the bullet and get an Epox 8k3a. You could wait until they are selling refurbs on NewEgg if ya want...Only a hundred bucks or so for retail one. Not wanting a good motherboard isn't a good idea. You can't expect to overclock with a junk board especially one that isn't even DDR...Least as high as you want to go...


Alright, I asked for help, not comments. This motherboard is a very good motherboard, it isn't a "junk board" like you call it. This board cost me 125 bucks and it isn't even a year old. DDR was out at the time, but this one does just fine. In fact, I built my uncle a computer with a 333mhz bus, and amd 1900, and it only whent a little faster then mine. He aslo has an 8 meg cach on his hard drive, BUT THAT's beside that point. Anyway Don't post that crap about my Mobo again...:mad: I appreciate the offering of help, but if you are going to insult my hardware, then don't post....


(I know I can't get to 2 ghz with this mobo, but you don't have to call my board junk)

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by residentevil2
i dont see u on 2 ghz with a 1600+ unless u pump 2.1 volts or more also u need a good stepping such as agoia Y or aroia Y .

A good mobo and nice ram will get u thier 2 but u should be able to more than 1.4 ghz ( Unless you have the older 1600+ with crapp steppings ) Most 1600+ even with these stepping cant get overclocks like the 2000+ and up ( unless u pump those craizy vots in it lol )


Ok, so maybe I can get it higher with more power. But will more volts potentially hurt my cpu in any way? I am unsure about changing any settings above default, so please let me know. Also, I can unlock my CPU, I just have been putting it off, because mainly I don't ever feel like going out and buying the equipment for it. If I had a job, I wouldn't be so worried about buying new stuff, or trying things on expensive hardware! I mean, I am 17 and still live with parents, so i don't have bills to pay, which means when I get a job, the money doesn't get sucked away by utility bills, it gets stuffed in my pocket! :clap:

[Wega!]

If you unlock your CPU you should be able to get a decent OC by upping the multiplier. How high can your motherboard go in multipliers?

[residentevil2]

anything higher than 1.90 vcore is kinda high those people with 2 v wont have cpu's that last as long . u can up the vcore 1.85 wont hurt it in order to get more o/c u need more power so raise it to 1.85

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by Walter:-)
If you unlock your CPU you should be able to get a decent OC by upping the multiplier. How high can your motherboard go in multipliers?

My board goes to like umm...I think 16 for multiplyer. Not sure, it gets up there a bit. I do know that.

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by residentevil2
anything higher than 1.90 vcore is kinda high those people with 2 v wont have cpu's that last as long . u can up the vcore 1.85 wont hurt it in order to get more o/c u need more power so raise it to 1.85


ok, 1.85 is reasonable then. Thx. I'll give it a shot

[Yodums]

Originally posted by residentevil2
anything higher than 1.90 vcore is kinda high those people with 2 v wont have cpu's that last as long . u can up the vcore 1.85 wont hurt it in order to get more o/c u need more power so raise it to 1.85

Technically not true. IT will last at least 2-3 years and by then it will just be worth a few dollars! I've seen people pump 2.2v in their comp and run it a year now.

Yodums

[Wega!]

Originally posted by soundfx4


My board goes to like umm...I think 16 for multiplyer. Not sure, it gets up there a bit. I do know that.

Ok, then you should be able to get a good OC. You may not get the highest FSB, but is way better than running at stock speed :)

[DManeKid]

before you do anything i would look into a better hs...im not sure how the v2 preforms but i know that my v7 is at 44C load and im only at 1628mhz and at either 1.78 or 1.8 vcore (dont remember what one i settled on) and this is with modding my fan to run at the fastest speed...your temps will be MUCH higher than that i can assure...my room temp is sorta high though (around 26-28C)

get the best go for a ax-7 with a nice fan...sunon or something :)

[Mr. $T$]

If and when you hit two gig then you have to have the right procssor and the right type of mobo to do it with. You also MUST have good cooling or will hit Very high temps, Watercooling, Big Giant heatsink with a Delta 80 @ 70CFM. Because you will be pushing 150 Watts and you will need a Powerfull PSU to go along withit because it will drain you rails like crazy. Also It would be a good Idea to have a Unlocked processor to give you more flexabilty or you will have to hit 200fsb Which is almost Impossable With SDR Ram. Over all it will be expensive MoBo, PSU, Cooling and RAM.

I know how you feel I have a Aopen ak73pro which is SDR and It is not bad Fast for SD anyway :rolleyes:

[Docta_Z]

Deny it all you want, but 133 technology is considered junky by beau because its' outdated, and no longer compeditive. Play with your voltages, but I doubt you'll get higher then 1.6 off that board. If I may, I would compare your situation to putting a ferrari engine in a Tempo body. Sure it's faster then what it's made for, but there is a limit to what you can put things to. You can go faster by using the proper technology. I'd say the lack of DDR ram will be your biggest enemy though, other then heat. You wouldn't get anywhere near that without a solid watercooling or VERY solid aircooled system. Especially if your playing wth voltages now. That's just plain dangerous to the CPU with stock cooling. Just my ideas. Not any hate.

[residentevil2]

Originally posted by Yodums


Technically not true. IT will last at least 2-3 years and by then it will just be worth a few dollars! I've seen people pump 2.2v in their comp and run it a year now.

Yodums


true but do u take the chance of it dying i see more fried cpu's cuss these voltages . true some live for a while but not alot ..

[maxima88]

To hit 2gig w/ that 1600+ you will most probably need to watercool it. Not too many ppl have hit 2g on air, there might be a few but most of the 2giggers are on H2O.
Oh, btw, get a kt333 mobo and good DDR RAM.

[Silver]

Originally posted by maxima88
To hit 2gig w/ that 1600+ you will most probably need to watercool it. Not too many ppl have hit 2g on air, there might be a few but most of the 2giggers are on H2O.
Oh, btw, get a kt333 mobo and good DDR RAM.

Works for me. I suspect that you will still fall short of 2.0 though. Go with a bong and figure about 2.0v on the core.

Need to be looking for a 14 multiplier as well or some really good ocing ram as you'll be needing 154 at 13 multiplier.

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by DManeKid
before you do anything i would look into a better hs...im not sure how the v2 preforms but i know that my v7 is at 44C load and im only at 1628mhz and at either 1.78 or 1.8 vcore (dont remember what one i settled on) and this is with modding my fan to run at the fastest speed...your temps will be MUCH higher than that i can assure...my room temp is sorta high though (around 26-28C)

get the best go for a ax-7 with a nice fan...sunon or something :)

Yeah that is no problem, I can get a great fan for 50 bucks. The one I have was only 20, and it is a pretty dam big hs, and it works very well, but if I overclock I'll be getting a new hsf

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by maxima88
To hit 2gig w/ that 1600+ you will most probably need to watercool it. Not too many ppl have hit 2g on air, there might be a few but most of the 2giggers are on H2O.
Oh, btw, get a kt333 mobo and good DDR RAM.

When I go ddr, I know exactly what I need to look for, I am going to very carefull in picking out a new mobo

[RnPgrosz]

I've got my 1600+ at 2 GHz and I can tell you there a few things you will need. One is 2.2v, so on most boards that would require a volt mod. You will also need watercooling because a normal hsf can not handle a cpu that dissiaptes 140w. A new DDR motherboard would help a lot also.:D

[beau_safken]

If you go EPOX 8k3a you will already have Vcore to 2.2 and Vdimm to 3.2 I think thats right. I picked this board up for 99 bucks and then saw it on special for 55 the next day on newegg.com. I don't "Bash your hardware". You asked what you needed to get to 2 gigs.....And as everyone is backing me up...Trust me PC133 is cool for your non-OC'ing uncle, But not the answer for anything with a 2 gig OC in it. You will take that chip 1.42 TIMES the normal operating spec. Lets start with a friendly list of "Ideas" for you to think about.

1. 300 Watt PSU...You should be running at LEAST a 350 and I'd recommend a 400 watt. If you pump the Vcore and Vdimm you WILL max a 300 watt PSU very quickly. That will lead you to lots of heart aches. With a 400 watt, you will be running better Volt rails and instability due to low power will not be as common until around the 1900's...ish...

2. Volcano's are great for everyday use....But to even talk 2 gig OC'ing. You will need to either watercool, or choose a VERY nice air cooling setup. Since I am kind of scared towards water right now I went air cooling. AX-7 with any adjustable fan or Delta Tornado with a Rheostat would do the trick. Very cheap and very nice. I use one and only cost me 25 for the Heatsink, 5 for my fan (Crystal fan) and 5 for shipping from SVC. This heatsink will take you to about 2 gigs depending on what cooling fan you use and other factors....

3. GOOD RAM!! Dude seriously, don't pop one because I said PC133 RAM isn't very good at OC'ing in the range you want to go. You will need....NEED PC2700 or PC3200 RAM to get close to that in a stable fashion. I run PC2700 Crucial memory. I got it for about 70 bucks and has gone as far as 178 FSB with only 2.8 Vdimm on it. I won't take it further than that because....Im kinda scared...(And poor if It needed replacing :D)

4. I own a bunch of Mobo's that went out of date before. They have great use...Like building your mom a computer for her birthday...Always a good idea. Go Epox if you want a nice easy friendly environment to OC in. I use one so I'm biased but I heard there are better ones....But not Cheaper usually. I realize you spent 125 dollars on a mobo....We all have...I remember my step dad dropping 4 grand on a NEC 486 COLOR laptop. He had to give it away last week because no one would even take it...Moore' s Law sucks sometimes but the benefits are worth it.

5. If you haven't already get yourself enough fans to cool your case to allow for a better OC. Shoot for around 5-10C of your room temp. My Mobo also has been know to read a little higher then it should but I still hit a 33-34C case temp and usually 41C on the CPU...Which is a on die temp so around 10c ishhhhh too high. Round those IDE's and make it pretty.

6. Dude, I am only 20 and stuck with my parents out of poverty and college. I am unemployed and go to school full time. I always find a way to scrounge enough money to buy an upgrade or two each month and certienly don't complain about past expenses. Just take everything with a grain of salt if you like...But if you think that flaming your board because it was expensive back then and that lead to a painful experience now....Join the crowd. I am not a mean person and have been posting for a while here. Just admite..."Oh damn, this was cool 6 months ago but Now I want to really have fun OC'ing to 2 gigs...Guess I have to upgrade." That's the matra I live with and lots of others here also. You've been around here for a long time also....Didn't you see the death of PC133 coming?????

[Tismedt]

Soundfx IMO the volcano II is not good enough for the mild OC you will be able to get with that setup. Before you start upping your voltage get a new HSF. Right now the slk800 is the king for perfomance but for price and performance look at the AX7. It is 1/2 the price of a slk800 and you will hardly notice any change. Maybe 2-3*c. If you like thermaltake go with the volcano 6, 7 or 9. I would look to the future and get the AX7 if it were me. OH yea it was me a couple weeks ago and I have one now and looking for $$ to get another.

[DManeKid]

update for my last post...sorry i wasnt using any more vcore at all im at default:) for some reason i thought i raised it...another thing the front page says that the v7+ is much better than the v9 so if anyone is planning on using thermaltake use that, im sure the v9+ should be coming out soon though

[cjlax5]

if this is your first time overclocking i wouldnt set your goal that high. its not an easy thing to do. if you arent carefull u will fry your new 1600+ and then what would u do?

like beau_safken said, ur current mobo just isnt gonna cut it. if u want a cheap mobo get a shuttle ak31 rev 3.1 referb of newegg for 35. you will have to do a voltmod to get over 1.85 volts.

if u want a fast computer (as is the point of overclocking) u need DDR ram. no other way around it

and dude, dont take offense at someone saying u have and old motherboard. u do.

[toddalaska]

2 gig is pretty easy really , any cheesy water setup and 2 volts and an agoia y 0213.

thats all

if you get good ram you wont even have to unlock the cpu.

[RnPgrosz]

Originally posted by toddalaska
2 gig is pretty easy really , any cheesy water setup and 2 volts and an agoia y 0213.

thats all

if you get good ram you wont even have to unlock the cpu.

Unless you have a very rare chip you are going to need more than 2v! Look at my sig. I know rogerdugans is running 2.1v around 1970 mhz and nikhsub1 also needed a similar amount of voltage for stability.

[ThePunkGeek]

i know people asked this already but what stepping do u have i didn't see it listed when i read the post

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by beau_safken

3. GOOD RAM!! Dude seriously, don't pop one because I said PC133 RAM isn't very good at OC'ing in the range you want to go. You will need....NEED PC2700 or PC3200 RAM to get close to that in a stable fashion. I run PC2700 Crucial memory. I got it for about 70 bucks and has gone as far as 178 FSB with only 2.8 Vdimm on it. I won't take it further than that because....Im kinda scared...(And poor if It needed replacing :D)


I never got upset for you saying that PC133 ram isn't good at O/C, I got upset because you called my board junk.

[toddalaska]

i ran 2 gig on 2 volts no problem agoia y 0213 green.

granted im going to volt mod to try and get more but it was stable at 2 volts

[soundfx4]

Originally posted by cjlax5
if this is your first time overclocking i wouldnt set your goal that high. its not an easy thing to do. if you arent carefull u will fry your new 1600+ and then what would u do?

like beau_safken said, ur current mobo just isnt gonna cut it. if u want a cheap mobo get a shuttle ak31 rev 3.1 referb of newegg for 35. you will have to do a voltmod to get over 1.85 volts.

if u want a fast computer (as is the point of overclocking) u need DDR ram. no other way around it

and dude, dont take offense at someone saying u have and old motherboard. u do.


Ummm...he called my board junk, unless my board is carrying a pentium 133 then it aint junk. I have a very good fast board actually, the only thing is it isn't DDR. that is IT...

[beau_safken]

Shoot for 1600 Mhz first then. KT133A chipsets if I am not mistaken only have a 1/4 divider...So I would anticipate you only getting to arouns 138-140 FSB if your lucky. More like 137-139...My PC2700 will only do 142 before it breaks down and cries...But I use the turbo RAM settings...If I lowered it I could get 150ish...But who doesn't like fast ram. If you unlocked your processor I don't know what luck you would have if any to get to 2 gigs. Heres the reason why...If your board DOESN't have at least a 1/5 FSB divider....No way can you get close to 2 gigs. Reason. After 166 FSB the 1/5 divider kicks in and your back at stock PCI bus of 33 mhz. Where as your 1/4 (I think thats what ya got) if you set your CPU FSB to 166 mhz your PCI bus would be 41.5 mhz and your AGP bus would be 83. That is WAY out of specs. You'll have massive data corruption and possibly damage a component.....(Possible). You're board is not junk if you want to get to 1450 mhz or VERY most 1500 Mhz. But if you wish to join the 2 gig club......................................Guess what?.................................You guessed it.............New Motherboard....With KT333 chipset................Or you can not take my advice and just wait until the Nvidia 2 chipset comes out....1/1 CPU divider...What's that mean?? Basically you can pump your FSB up for only the Processor and the RAM...Thats it. No more worries about PCI and AGP bus messing up your Overclock...But guess what....Bet ya couldn't guess...You'd need DDR ram to do it.....Probably PC3200........But that is a while off so your call man...KT333 chipset motherboards are pretty cheap now, under a hundred. Good current motherboard will fulfill your dreams or at least give you a better shot. BTW, I aim to help all that I can on this forum. I have no grudges and wish that I can have some impact on helping others. If you feel the need to feel insulted that I "Dissed" your board, SO be it. I'm telling you the truth. If your Thread title was "No fair, I want to get my Athlon 1600 up to 1.5 ghz" Then I would be telling you twinking options to get that processor up to that speed. However, since you wish to get 2 gigs....This is my advice and ALOT of others have agreed or tried to open your eyes. I'm just telling you if your desire is 2 gigs, this is what you will need to consider for your rig. Take it or leave it, the members that have replied have told you the following:
1. New Mobo, KT333 chipset, DDR
2. Unlocking the CPU
3. Watercooling or Hellish Air cooling setup
4. Larger PSU

That's our suggestions...I'm sorry that you had to turn your own thread into a defensive Guard the Mobo thread. Did they give that Mobo to you for free or do you work for them? What have they done to gain such a loyal following that even suggestions bounce off? Just step back and use these suggestions we have all made to help give you an idea of what your facing. Just like we all have, find some possible answers and then sort thru all the junk. If you are still a believer in that Mobo then good luck. If you intend on opening up to possible suggestions and a little criticism then you will learn more than you can imagine. Being humble will allow you the flexiblity to grow and learn outside of your constraints. By harboring to your constraints you can never grow...Hense,
Never get over 2 gigs.

I intended this last section to clear the air to help you my friend. Your a fellow Oc'er and I intend to help you. Just open your mind a little and remember, Everyone makes a mistake or needs a little direction to move on. I messed up buy buying ythis damn 1800+ retail....For the warranty :beer:...Which I voided yesterday...Could have saved enough to buy a darn stick of Corsair 3200 instead of this Crucial. But I learned from my mistakes, and have formulated a plan because of it. Make a plan....

[toddalaska]

that board was a great board, we still sell them at my work some what.

unfortunately its long in the tooth.

Its almost time for you to stack that board and pc133 ram next to the atari and disco ball. I still keep a 133a based board as a backup

[XgladiatorX]

Nice thread if i read these enough I maybe can figure what it all means.
I must have been reading something right lately before I got my new MB and DDR PC2700 samsung ram ordered-Ahtlon1800XP
My new MSI KT3-ultra2 is on the way I believe it has the new K333 chipset and the SouthbridgeVT8235 CS

OC-ing cool but isn't just for bragging purposes. it's kinda like car racing at the 1/4 mile track you can always go faster depending on what you want to spend, I race my buddy in my caravan against his 454 chevelle LOL I beat him sometimes after a 9 second headstart LOL

if you want to go faster resident , won't that MB accept a faster XP, quick and easy:D

[toddalaska]

ocing isnt for bragging rights

its for gaming:D

[RangerJoe]

Originally posted by toddalaska
ocing isnt for bragging rights

its for gaming:D

its for both :burn: :D :burn: :D

if you have a kt133 chipset board...then dont plan on getting much past 1.6 ghz...anything under a kt266 chipset board just isnt great for overclocking...esp if you are looking at getting 300...400mhz out of it...kt333 is where its at...and when you get a new board..get the 8k3a+ or the 8k5a2+..they have the DLED thing on it..so if you mess up while putting the computer together, you can figure out the problem...and the raid...and 5.1 sound..and the 8k5a2+ has built in LAN, and can be found on newegg for like under $100...so one of those..would be your best bet if you want a kick ass board for overclocking..with better aircooling, i should be able to get mine to 2 ghz....the 80 cfm delta and rheostat will come after my first paycheck

[toddalaska]

ranger, go watercooling, 2 gig is more likely then

most on air are stuck under 1900 or right at it

[beau_safken]

I'm now using the Agioa "Y" and the AX-7. I'm at 1798 170x10.5 at 55-53C at load........Not too bad.

[residentevil2]

her you go ladies :) 2 GIG on a 8 month xp 2000+ this xp i have came out when agoia was brand new also thier were no 2100+, so its not a 2100+ with a multi for a 1600+ so its really hard to get 2 gig on a ancient xp like myn but i got it :)


Im stuck on a 13 multi cuss water got on my unlock so bare with me i know my fsb is low my 3d mark would be higher If windows xp was working (and if i had a higher fsb) so this is my score on win 98 with no o/c to the card

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4292177

[madsam]

consider the abit boards also. my at7 clocked my xp1600 to 1.95 gig on air. the kx7-333 is supposed to clock even better than mine, and you can get it for around a hundred at newegg, and even less if you get a refurb.

those who say your memory is out dated....well, it's not if you want to compute, but as for your goal of 2 gig, no, the ram just won't do.

also, those of us who almost hit 2 gig on air have good components....right down to a hearty psu. you need plenty of case cooling, and so on.

there are many factors to consider.

the kx7-333 is a lot of bang for the buck, and it's one of the best, and most stable o/c'ing mobos out. however, you'll need a volt mod to get the vcore to dangerous levels.

also, some of us have great stepping on our cpu's. if you got 10 identical xp1600's, and tried them on the same setup, they would all have different results. i've seen the same cpu as mine only go to 1.8 gig at 1.85 vcore, and mine hits 1.9 gig stable at 1.825 vcore. my brothers cpu, in my board needs 1.85 vcore to reach 1.85 gig.

so, the limitation of each chip varies.

aiming for 2 gig on that rig is asking a bit much. i was getting pm's from a member who was angry his chip only went to 1.85 gig, but that's still 450mhz over stock, so be happy with what you can get out of it, and set your goal just a bit higher than you are now, then when you reach your gol, up your goal another small pinch. before you know it, you'll be clocking nicely.

also, my chip is still locked, so unlocking is not always neccesary with the xp1600, but it does open more options....

[residentevil2]

wow i just relized that i got a 348 mhz overclock on my 2000+ lol :)

[beau_safken]

Soundfx Did you ever OC that thing trying your PC133 ram...?

[Lumen]

Originally posted by soundfx4



Alright, I asked for help, not comments. This motherboard is a very good motherboard, it isn't a "junk board" like you call it. This board cost me 125 bucks and it isn't even a year old. DDR was out at the time, but this one does just fine. In fact, I built my uncle a computer with a 333mhz bus, and amd 1900, and it only whent a little faster then mine. He aslo has an 8 meg cach on his hard drive, BUT THAT's beside that point. Anyway Don't post that crap about my Mobo again...:mad: I appreciate the offering of help, but if you are going to insult my hardware, then don't post....


(I know I can't get to 2 ghz with this mobo, but you don't have to call my board junk) You asked for help, help=ideas=comments! So stop being such a cry baby. If you cant cope with depriciation then maybe you should find a new hobby.

(sorry to all the rest of you that comment really bugged me)

[Silver]

Ok, time for everyone to mellow out. Fact, board is older given the speed at which things are going. Fact, the board was and is a good board. Fact does not have DDR and soooooo......bandwidth is a little limited. He may be smarter than many of us in that I have personally been through 3 ddr boards since the Kt7a. I do not know that any of the members here have 'junk' and I am sure the term is being used figuratively. All boards have limits and his board is limited on the fsb. This makes it extremely difficult to get where he would like to go. What is the max allowed on the multi's in the new bioses? One of you all should have backed this down when it was noted that he (like many of you) was very proud of that which he has.

Now for a better approach, how high do you all think we can help him to get on his setup as is? It would really be nice to know how high a multi he can pull and how high he can get stable on the fsb. Does he have the latest bios? PSU? (we going to need some power here), Cooling (how extreme is he willing to go). Ideas, guys....was'nt that long ago that the 1.4 T-bird was pulling 1.73 on water with the good old (vmodded) Abit Kt7a.

[The Coolest]

soundfx4>> You still haven't mentioned the stepping of your CPU...
Unless you have an AGOIA/AROIA 'Y' which are only a few months old you don't stand many chances at getting a good OC, 1600MHz might be possible out of an older stepping 1600+...

[jszent]

Sound,
I agree the rest of the guys here,you will never get 2 gigs on pc133 mem,so save your pennies and step up to the plate.And 125.00 is really not that much for a mobo good ones usually run up around 165.00 plus.DDR mem is whats happening now,sorry to be so blunt and bust your bubble but thats just the way it is.
good luck brother

[qwerty57]

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4439821

Im a 1600+ 2ghz member.. On air two with 2.03v...what else did it take. slk-800 and 200mhz fsb.. but if you look at my score #2 overall you'll see the huge payoff......

[Gnufsh]

Would the ram even matter if he unlocked and changed the multi? I say, if he doesn't want to change mobo's don't tell him he has too when he doesn't. PCI dividers won't be an issue if he keeps his FSB at stock. Here's the deal: get good cooling (water or SLK-800), get a new PSU. Unlock proc and lower the multiplier to 5. Raise the FSB slowly until it becomes unstable. Lower a bit. Check stability with prime95. Try to get 24+ hours in. Some people say 48-72 hours. If it freezes or fails, lower. Use memtest86 to make sure your ram can handle it. Then, slowly raise the multi until it becomes stable. Add more voltage and repeat. Vol;t-mod if necessary (watch your temps!). Do more stability testing. Depending on your stepping and max FSB, you might get something like 140*12.5=1750. Give it a try.