Xp Sp1?

[kaky0u]

I just wanted to clarify sommat. I heard that M$ are changing something to do with the authentification key on your XP system after updating it with SP1? Does that mean if I were to have a "warez" version, would the SP1 disable my XP OS? Or is it something else? I'm not asking for warez, just want to know exactly what this patch does. Thx.

[Yakbak]

"Microsoft will introduce additional technological measures in Service Pack 1 for Windows XP aimed at ensuring legally licensed customers receive the full benefits of owning their valid license. These changes include denying access to the Windows XP SP1 updates for PCs with known pirated installations, product key validation during activation, and the repair of cracks to activation. Additional features have been added to provide a better customer experience including an additional three-day grace period to re-activate after significant hardware changes and the ability for volume license customers to encrypt their volume license product key in unattended installations."

From Bink's site..

[DreamingWolf]

May I ask a different question re: XP SP1? When is it due out for the pro version? I've been hearing that's it's out/due out soon for almost two weeks now. Is there a release date set?
:cool:

[DreamingWolf]

Nope, bought the 'crash proof' home edition and immediately crashed it 5 times in the first day, so I broke down and bought an oem of the pro and have been mostly stable since.:cool:

[Yakbak]

This FAQ (http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/mpafaq.asp#wxpsp1) and this page (http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/windowsxpsp1.asp) explains some of the anti-piracy features that will be implemented in Windows XP SP1.

[AltecXP]

y would pro be ore stable than pro? they run on the exact same code, only pro has a few extra goodies for networking

[DreamingWolf]

No actually the home version is kind of an XP lite. alot of the admin and high end security features were removed to make the OS more 'user friendly'. That is one thing I learned from my mistake of buying Microsoft WindowsXP Inside Out . The book does a good job of constantly saying 'don't try this on the home version, it's only available in the pro version.':cool:

[eXtraktor]

I have XP home full version and it never crashed on me, no lock ups or anything.

[DreamingWolf]

I freely admit that I am a delicate componant tinkerer who tends to work with a sledge hammer. Often installing and removing dozens of progs on my system over the course of a day or two.
To say I accumulate some sludge in my registry over time is like saying the approaching hurricane is going to bring a little wind and rain;)
The only systems I found that could remain stable under my rarely subtle onslaught have been 98SE and XP pro.
That's part of the reason I joined the forums, to try and learn a little subtlety and tact when dealing with my system.:D
Sign me 'Dazed but still Dreaming and Learning':cool:

[eXtraktor]

Originally posted by DreamingWolf
I freely admit that I am a delicate componant tinkerer who tends to work with a sledge hammer. Often installing and removing dozens of progs on my system over the course of a day or two.
To say I accumulate some sludge in my registry over time is like saying the approaching hurricane is going to bring a little wind and rain;)
The only systems I found that could remain stable under my rarely subtle onslaught have been 98SE and XP pro.
That's part of the reason I joined the forums, to try and learn a little subtlety and tact when dealing with my system.:D
Sign me 'Dazed but still Dreaming and Learning':cool:

Hehehehe, i know what you mean. Try using a little program called RegCleaner, it keeps your registry clean of useless/invalid entries. XP Home as been a dream for me since i got it when it came out. With 98, i had so many errors it wasnt even funny anymore, lol.

[Maximouse]

Originally posted by DreamingWolf
May I ask a different question re: XP SP1? When is it due out for the pro version? I've been hearing that's it's out/due out soon for almost two weeks now. Is there a release date set?
:cool: Microsoft has announced that SP1 will be released on Sept 9th.

It will be available for download or you can get it on CD.

[shill82]

You can get final today from here although good luck getting on the server.

ftp://ftp.blueyonder.co.uk/incoming/xpsp1/

One of my friends was counting down the minutes till it was released don't know how he knew but he got on the server right away got it and is now sending to me.

Shawn

[DreamingWolf]

This would bring me to three questions (now that I've already been to the site and downloaded it [137M in 10 min. boy do I love DSL])

1. Is this a legit web site?

2. Is this file the same as will be released in the US?

3. Just how ticked is Microsoft going to be that I have their precious service pack 9 days early?

Should I dare to install??? (okay so it was four questions, so shoot me):cool:

[shill82]

All good questions. However your guess is as good as mine. If you would like my guess(s) here they are.

1. I have no clue my guess is that yes this is a legit site or MS would have shut it down very quicky!

2. If you look at the files in this release all of them are digitally signed as beta or that is what I've read. However I think this release will be what will soon become final but MS wanted to cover themselves incase there is a magor error in the code.

3. Answered in #1

4. I'd say go for it. Well unless you have the imfamous Corprate edition.

Also something all of you might find useful. This article shows you how to slipstream(make a XP CD with SP1 preinstalled for a fresh install.) http://www.justinwojas.com/bootcd.htm

Good Luck
Shawn

[Maximouse]

Well, I just tried it.
No Loud screams or swear words.
No crash and boom.
I'm still here:)

[DreamingWolf]

Thank you both. If nothing further is forthcoming from this location you know I either fried my rig (again:rolleyes: ) or managed to come to the attention of the wrong ticked off person at Microsoft.

Wish me luck:cool:

[fdoggiedog]

Also something all of you might find useful. This article shows you how to slipstream(make a XP CD with SP1 preinstalled for a fresh install.) http://www.justinwojas.com/bootcd.htm

Thanks Bro, I've been looking for a complete guide to slipstreaming.

fdoggiedog woof woof

[DreamingWolf]

Well SP1 is in, running fine and I went to Win update site with no 'Men in Black' knocking on my door. Good news all around so far.

Oh yeah, also my thanks for the link for the article on slipstreaming.:) :cool:

[shill82]

Let me know how it goes. My system is running perfect right now so don't want to change a thing.


Shawn

[DreamingWolf]

No actually, I have an OEM version that I picked up cheap. Already had to reactivate it at least four times becuase of all the hardware I keep changing. I was only half worried that Microsoft would get upset that I logged into update with SP1 installed 8 days before it was officially released.:cool:

[Johnny Knoxville]

What does this SP1 actually have? Can you tell a difference?

[AltecXP]

sp1 has all the current updates except framwork sp2 and includes a tool to make it easier to disable IE VM and outlook express

[DreamingWolf]

That may be but I can't tell any difference in the general running of my system:cool:

[Yakbak]

Back to the original post, here's an interesting article to read, thanks to WinBeta.org (http://www.winbeta.org):

http://pages.prodigy.net/br0adband/Windows_XP_and_Service_Pack_1.htm

I think that covers what some people are wondering.

[eXtraktor]

Originally posted by Yakbak
Back to the original post, here's an interesting article to read, thanks to WinBeta.org (http://www.winbeta.org):

http://pages.prodigy.net/br0adband/Windows_XP_and_Service_Pack_1.htm

I think that covers what some people are wondering.

Interesting read. I for one, do not need to worry but some might, lol. It's wait and see i guess. :D

[Maximouse]

Originally posted by Yakbak
Back to the original post, here's an interesting article to read, thanks to WinBeta.org (http://www.winbeta.org):

http://pages.prodigy.net/br0adband/Windows_XP_and_Service_Pack_1.htm

I think that covers what some people are wondering. Interesting.

And whats more interesting is the signifigance of the date they have chosen to release this on.... 9/11, an Omen perhaps?

[willlangford]

with 60% of all of the copies of windows being warez...if people really go out and buy the os to get sp1 this will be interesting. and the mistalk ms made was that the coorperate addition of the os didnt requre activation....

~Will

[Johnny Knoxville]

Originally posted by willlangford
with 60% of all of the copies of windows being warez...if people really go out and buy the os to get sp1 this will be interesting. and the mistalk ms made was that the coorperate addition of the os didnt requre activation....

~Will

Don't worry about it, SP1 will work on the coorporate edition of Windows XP. Even if not I doubt anyone is thick enough to buy the real Windows XP if they have the warez copy just for SP1 (especially with Windows .Net just around the corner).

btw, I do not condone the use of warez ;)

[Vfrjim1]

Running the SP1 ver 1106 dated 8/31/02 , so far it has been pretty good, it removed all my Hotfixes with pre sp1 in my add/remove programs section, we will see how it goes.

Jim

[deathman20]

So where can I go and get the SP1 for XP???

I tried that FTP site but you need a username and password to enter.

Please help. I can't wait to uninstall Explorer :D.

[Yakbak]

Sept. 9th is the official release date, I think.

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by Maximouse
Interesting.

And whats more interesting is the signifigance of the date they have chosen to release this on.... 9/11, an Omen perhaps?
Uhh, they are releasing it on 9/9, not 9/11 they are not THAT stupid.

[eXtraktor]

Originally posted by nikhsub1

Uhh, they are releasing it on 9/9, not 9/11 they are not THAT stupid.

hehehehehe, do i really have to comment on that? :D

[DreamingWolf]

Originally posted by nikhsub1

Uhh, they are releasing it on 9/9, not 9/11 they are not THAT stupid.



Okay, and which Microsoft have you been dealing with for the last decade or so cuz I want to exchange the one I deal with for your's...lol:cool:

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by DreamingWolf




Okay, and which Microsoft have you been dealing with for the last decade or so cuz I want to exchange the one I deal with for your's...lol:cool:
:rolleyes:

[CraxySerge]

He,He, I just installed SP1 on my copy of Windows XP Pro. All that security talk went down the toilet. Its sooooo easy to install SP1 on a warez version, its not even funny.

[AltecXP]

its rumored that sp1 has v5 for windows update and checks your window key vs. every key that windows had actually made and vs. blacklist keys. if you have an unissued or black key your xp will me disabled, bu this wond start untill v5 for windows update is actually but into operation about a yr. *suposidly* so you still might not be safe

[mtnbikerjerry]

I guess we all will have to wait and see. Why fret now?

Everyone in the past worried about a new alogorithm being generated for the Corporate version etc etc.

*Since there can be no discussion of the W word or any relevant items on this forum*....

I will say in time people will find their way around it.

For people who think they need the latest and greatest, download it and see it when it comes out. TEST IT out on a VM Ware 3.0 installation or something....with XP and SP1 applied to it. Test bed I guess.

For those who don't need the latest and greatest fixes or patches, then stick with Windows 2000 SP2/3 and XP pre SP1. OR just don't go updating at all until a new method that bypasses the protection.

Freedom of speech... check this article out. Here is what is happening in Britan below:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-404768,00.html

Talk about eroding freedom of speech and privacy...its like its becomming China or something.

The information age has lead us to watch eachother.

[mtnbikerjerry]

Also it may be possible in the future there may be a modified version of the v5 updater. As far as the updates go, you can download some of them individually from microsoft. Look in the forum messages under search or archives shall I say.

[Johnny Knoxville]

Originally posted by AltecXP
its rumored that sp1 has v5 for windows update and checks your window key vs. every key that windows had actually made and vs. blacklist keys. if you have an unissued or black key your xp will me disabled, bu this wond start untill v5 for windows update is actually but into operation about a yr. *suposidly* so you still might not be safe

there is already a workaround which lets you install SP1 on the warez version, i can't say much more here.

[mtnbikerjerry]

Yes this is correct.

From other sources and actual tests on machines... not mine... the work around works for the new XP SP1.

But for the updater for those that choose to update it from v4 to v5, may not be a good idea. When that update for the updater comes out if people will actually update this? Yeah right.


In essence what is being said that there is no current work around for this updater for "W" versions of XP. Microsoft has this nifty database in development... but by that time.... there may be a "modifed" version of this updater so that it does not check in with the microsoft database of CD Keys etc.



:eek:

[M@€$†®Ö™]

A friendly reminder to becareful of the discussion of hacks,cracks or such things like warez. It's against forum policy to do so. Just seems like this thread is close to the line.

Maestro

[BigRed]

No need to wait for sp1, just make your own service pack using the windows update catalog.
Comes in handy when you reinstall xp, just put all the updates to cd so you dont have to download them again :)

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by Maestro
A friendly reminder to becareful of the discussion of hacks,cracks or such things like warez. Is against forum policy to do so. Just seems like this thread is close to the line.

Maestro
Very very close, if not already breaching the line.

[Jon]

For everyone's information regarding the path this thread has taken, even discussing/mentioning the fact that there is such a crack for the SP for a pirated version of XP is well over the line in regards to our policies for this forum.

Since there are so many of you, I will give your forewarning here and now...this goes to all members who may take a moment to read this. Any further discussions of this type, within these forums, will guarantee you an immediate 3-day ban (unless you have prior offenses, in which you we will bid you a permanent bon voyage).

This is absolutely not going to be tolerated in any fashion, nor is anything close to it. If you feel the need to discuss warez, cracks or other similar categories, go somewhere else...period.