Alpha 6035 or GW FOP38?

[TCS]

can any one give me the specification of both fans? i mean the RPM , CFM and heasink technology. I'm also confuse about Ys tech and delta tech. WTH
I have to make my decision now b'cos my CPU temp is too high (idle @47C).


TCS
Duron750 @ 950
Asus A7V KT133 @ Vcore 1.85V

[dimmreaper]

The FOP38 comes with a 38 Cubic Foot Per Miniute Fan

The PAL6035, which has more surface area(that's good), does not come with a fan from the manufacturer. However some vendors/resellers, put a fan on it for you. It is important to note the CFM(cubic foot per miniute) rating of the fan they include. I recommend something 27CFM or higher.

YS-Tech makes a very nice 27CFM fan
Delta makes a very nice and loud 38CFM fan
More CFM is good, but also be sure to not that more CFM equals more noise.

Their is a method of mounting a larger 80mm fan on the FOP38. This will give you more CFM with less noise.

[tweak]

Theres no dought Alpha makes a superior Heatsink, However, The fop 38 is probably the best HSF for the money. About $20 USD. If you go for the 6035 get one with a delta fan.
FOP 38 specs:
Dimensions:70mm x62mm x 37mm
Noise Level: 46.5 dBA
Fan speed: 6800 rpm
37CFM
www.CoolerChips.com (http://www.coolerchips.com) Cheapest I have seen for Globalwin
www.3dfxcool.com (http://www.3dfxcool.com) Good place for Alpha's
www.2cooltek.com (http://www.2cooltek.com) another good one

[dimmreaper]

Hey tweak-

You own a FOP38 right?

Tell me does your Delta38 spin at 7400RPM too? Cause mine does. But mines on an old PFH6035 PGA cooler.

[Nagorak]

Forget that lame Delta FanFromHell and forget the FOP38 too, it's old news now. I'd suggest getting the GlobalWin WBK38 (the successor to the FOP) and modding it to accept an 80mm fan. Then slap a Panaflo High Output fan on there, and you're set to go: Delta Performance, with barely any noise! The Panaflo moves some 39cfm, but only at 32 dbls!

Check it out at 2Cooltek (http://www.2cooltek.com)

[dimmreaper]

Nagorak (Mar 14, 2001 07:03 a.m.):
Forget that lame Delta FanFromHell and forget the FOP38 too, it's old news now. I'd suggest getting the GlobalWin WBK38 (the successor to the FOP) and modding it to accept an 80mm fan. Then slap a Panaflo High Output fan on there, and you're set to go: Delta Performance, with barely any noise! The Panaflo moves some 39cfm, but only at 32 dbls!

Check it out at 2Cooltek (http://www.2cooltek.com)Yeah, but a YS-Tech 80mm H.O. fan moves 47CFM at only 36.9dBA!

[tweak]

Jeff mine runs 6900 rpm

[dimmreaper]

tweak (Mar 14, 2001 09:53 p.m.):
Jeff mine runs 6900 rpmHmmm... Do you have yours running off the MoBo header, or directly off the PSU? Mine is wired to the PSU.

[TCS]

Hey guys, i'm really appreciated ur replies. Before i thought the heatsink and fan come together from same manufacturer. Now i knows why there have different fans like (YStech and delta) put on the same HS and still call Alpha 6035. Another thing is the fan size. Like Nagorak and Jeff said we can mount different fan's size on HS. Is 80mm fan usually has lower dBA and higher CFM than 60mm fan? can PAL 6035 mount 80mm fan? why all the HS i found in internet stores are mounted with 60mm?

Tweak: if i buy PAL6035 with Delta fan, it still will make the hell of noise right? according to Jeff info. Do you have one of those?

Nagorak: i see what you saying. From the GW wedsite, the spec for WBK38 is 46.5 dBA! unless i mount 80mm fan like u said.

[dimmreaper]

TCS-

I see you have an A7V varient for a MoBo, you could also use a PEP66 with your board. The PEP is like the mother Marry of the OCing world (well now their is that huge $80 Swiftech one, but it's too expensive). A totally Awesome cooler! In fact I am going to be buying one tommarrow to use with my slocket configuration. However I will be mounting a Sunon H.O. 43CFM 80mm fan on it (would buy a YS-Tech 47CFM, but I already have this Sunon fan). But mounting an 80mm fan on a PEP66, will not leave enough room for socket MoBos, so you wouldn't be able to do that.

But anyway, you should consider getting a PEP66 with a good 60mm fan.

[Nagorak]

Yeah, but a YS-Tech 80mm H.O. fan moves 47CFM at only 36.9dBA!

I guess it depends if you value performance or quietness more. I prefer quietness, but you're right the YS Tech is a perfectly valid alternative for some SERIOUS cooling.

[Nagorak]

Technically it is POSSIBLE to mount an 80mm fan on the PEP, but you have to build a home-made adapter for it. Part of the convenience of the WBK/FOP is that you can easily bend the fan attachment clips to allow for an 80mm fan.

The Alpha PEP is definitely a good heatsink as well. In fact, it works much better than the PAL6035 (with the same fan). HOWEVER, because it is placed with the fan blowing through it from the side, I have found that there is some difficulty fitting it, even on the A7V. It is difficult to place a 60 * 25mm fan on the side facing the motherboard chipset, because the northbridge cooler gets in the way. Attempting to place it on the other side facing off the motherboard, is an option and probably preferable since the air is blown off. But, in my case, my powersupply is hanging right above the top edge of the motherboard so the fan would be blowing straight into the metal side of the PS.

From my experience the PEP is also slightly louder than other heatsinks. With the same fan it is slightly louder than the Taisol CGK???(whatever it is). This is probably due to how closely together the fins are placed (causing a lot of turbulence and resistance for the air). I can't compare directly to the GlobalWin, because I never used it with the same fan.

I really think the WBK is the way to go, just because of the ease of mounting an 80mm on it. If you plan on sticking with a 60mm, then the PEP would probably be best. Either way you really can't go wrong.

[TCS]

Nagorak:
How do i mount 80mm fan on WBK38?
from the picture, the fan is hold by a clip.

[TCS]

is the clip come with the 80mm fan ,If i order it? usually only come with 4 screws.
or i still can use the one from 60mm?

[Nagorak]

All FOPs/WBKs come with that fan holder clip. You just have to bend it a little to get the 80mm to fit on it. It's really quite easy to do. So, you don't have to order that one with the 80mm premounted. I probably would not (just because you don't get your fan of choice). If you don't want to mess with it, then you can just go with that one from 3dfx cool.

[Megahurtz]

If you can wait, read Joe's aritcle about the new Copper Millenium Thermal Solutions cooler it's the lead article as of posting time on the front page...It looks like we might have a new sheriff in town.

[TCS]

GW WBK38 w/ Delta 36CFM fan = $23, Panaflo 80mm = $11
Include shipping, they will cost me $40.
I got my Duron 700 retail box = $78.
With $40+$78=$118, i can get T-Bird 850 (according to Pricewatch.com) included shipping fee! If you were me, which one u wil choose?
This is my 1st personal computer. Although it is fun to overclocking, i realise it cost me a lot of money on fans and HS.
Anyway, what can i do with the delta fan after i mount the 80mm?
another question is 80mm fan is bigger than WBK38 surface. will the fan hit the HS? i still can imagine how it work. what is the measurement of the Top Surface(WBK38)?

Thanks

[AKDUDE]

If your really lazy, and don't want to fool with the clips, just use two zip ties to put the 80mm fan on with.
AKDUDE

[Nagorak]

TCS (Mar 16, 2001 06:11 p.m.):
GW WBK38 w/ Delta 36CFM fan = $23, Panaflo 80mm = $11
Include shipping, they will cost me $40.
I got my Duron 700 retail box = $78.
With $40+$78=$118, i can get T-Bird 850 (according to Pricewatch.com) included shipping fee! If you were me, which one u wil choose?
This is my 1st personal computer. Although it is fun to overclocking, i realise it cost me a lot of money on fans and HS.
Anyway, what can i do with the delta fan after i mount the 80mm?
another question is 80mm fan is bigger than WBK38 surface. will the fan hit the HS? i still can imagine how it work. what is the measurement of the Top Surface(WBK38)?

Thanks

The GlobalWin Heatsink is actually slightly larger than a 60mm fan. The 80mm will overhang the heatsink a little bit, but most of the air will still flow through it. You can also create a simple shroud using duct tape (or any other tape, but duct is strong and should last) to make sure the extra air is not lost. I also have discovered you can attach a 92mm(!) fan to the FOP/WBK using a fan grill. Just attach the grill to the bottom of the fan (facing the heatsink) and then use the heatsink's fan clips to attach to the grill.

If I were you I would not suggest either of those chips. I would get the Thunderbird 700 instead ($77 on pricewatch, not a retail box, but all retail gives you is a warranty which IMO is pointless. The only way I have killed AMD chips is by crushing their cores, and that is not covered by the warranty anyway.) Or you can go with the Thunderbird 650, listed at $59 on Pricewatch. Make sure you check the stores out first at ResellerRatings.com (http://www.resellerratings.com). A lot of times it is not a good idea to go with the cheapest store, because even though they are cheap they might have poor customer service, slow shipping, etc.

The reason I suggest the Thunderbird is because it costs only a little bit more, but the extra 128kbs of cache really helps it in games. If you don't play games at all, then a Duron should be fine, but if you do play even occassionally why not spend a few extra dollars on something that will work a lot better? With luck you should get that 700 up to 1 GHz, or 900 MHz at the least...

[TCS]

Thanks for your analysis, Nagorak. Well, i do playing a lot of games. Anyway, i'm not thinking to get another Processor now. Will see how is the price dropping.
I thinks i will stick with 80mm. So i should put the grill at the bottom. It sound better and safer. Which is the best way to put the fan, blow or suck ? It doesn't make any different right? just guessing :)

Thanks

[Nagorak]

You definitely want to make sure it is blowing down on the heatsink, as that is how the GWs are intended (and they work much better that way). Using the fan guard also makes it much easier to attach the fan. You don't have to bend the clips as much, which makes it much easier to attach.