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Paazabel
09-08-02, 09:26 PM
Considering the intense heat given off by today's memory ... anyone toyed with a RAM cooling water system?
Think about the little heat spreaders that go on memory today ... I'm thinking you could do something like this:
http://www.oblivionsdoor.com/images/LiquidRAM.jpg
The idea is to use a flat piece of copper and go in rounded at the top. A small spring could be mounted on the front facing and a clothespin / clip style holder with rubber feet could hold it in place to the back. Probably do one clip on each end of the chip.
Anyone think this would actually HELP with anything? Or will that be cooling something unnecessarily? Or have I just got water on the brain?
Paaz
Cooling your ram is probably uneccessary. If you are going to cool your ram you need nothing more than a heatspreader. It is a cool idea, but probably a waste of time and money.
Originally posted by Paazabel
Considering the intense heat given off by today's memory ... anyone toyed with a RAM cooling water system?
Think about the little heat spreaders that go on memory today ... I'm thinking you could do something like this:
http://www.oblivionsdoor.com/images/LiquidRAM.jpg
The idea is to use a flat piece of copper and go in rounded at the top. A small spring could be mounted on the front facing and a clothespin / clip style holder with rubber feet could hold it in place to the back. Probably do one clip on each end of the chip.
Anyone think this would actually HELP with anything? Or will that be cooling something unnecessarily? Or have I just got water on the brain?
Paaz
This is in fact the next project I have in mind. One only has to ask if you cool the bga ram on the vid card does it often allow for a better oc. If the answer is yes (and at lower voltage than the mobo ram) then the project seems valid. This is in fact the next project I have on the burner and am considering ideas as of this time. One real question is how thin the cooling can be made, in order to allow for side by side sticks or if it is better to use slots one and three for the ram? Also will the Nvidia2 boards support the use of ram slots 1 and three to be used in conjunction. If you can then the size of the sinks (and thus the building) becomes easier in both design and actual production. I find the heatspreaders as designed to be very poor. Given the level of heat given off, to have anything between the sink and the ram seems insulating to me. Do stay in touch with me. As I said this is the next project up for me. The vid card is done and it along with some other system mods should allow for scores approximating 16g so the vid card mods are done. Will start studying and measuring ram tonight. Lets have some fun.:)
Wicked Klown
09-08-02, 09:49 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they already make a waterblock for ram. As far as I can remember Bladerunner has waterblocks on his ram.
Originally posted by Klownin79
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they already make a waterblock for ram.
Though I will do a search on it, you do not happen to remember or know where you may have seen it?
Wicked Klown
09-08-02, 10:07 PM
No I don't but I remember what they llokng like. It's a silver block with a black top with barbs at both ends. Cause I remember seeing them I thought man thats a lot of tubing and why would someone want to water cool their ram.
Found pictures of these however no links to sites or sites wherein these are sold.
Wicked Klown
09-08-02, 10:19 PM
You can get them here (https://www.overclockershideout.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=o&Product_Code=RAS&Category_Code=WB)
Originally posted by Klownin79
You can get them here (https://www.overclockershideout.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=o&Product_Code=RAS&Category_Code=WB)
Thanks, appreciate that. It is an idea that I had not considered. Rather clever. Still going to work on getting the water to the front of the chip. Thank you again.
Frodo Baggins
09-08-02, 11:35 PM
from what I've heard it's not worth it. Or if your ram really runs hot, you can just buy one of those cheepo kits
Wicked Klown
09-09-02, 09:19 AM
If you do go to make a block for your ram. I'd say build one the covers both sides at the same time. As you could tell with the ones they made. the first one both sides were cooled and the next one only one was cooled.
Paazabel
09-09-02, 12:57 PM
Another idea might be to just have "heat-spreader" clips that you run water across the top of.
Mainly, I'm looking to remove heat from this area. I plan on having a two-fan system when I finish -- one at the radiator, one in the power supply. The problem is, I won't have a 7500 RPM CPU fan sitting an inch away circulating the air anymore, and those things get HOT.
So, this isn't as much for overclocking, but more for moving heat away from the memory.
JFettig
09-09-02, 04:53 PM
i think its only och that makes them, but it wouldnt be a good idea to buy something from them....
also some of you are talking about vid card ram some are talking about ddr and sdr sdram it is pretty pointless but some day i bet ill get bored and do it,
as for 1 side, you ever see 1sided ram? thats all i have...
Paazabel
09-09-02, 07:14 PM
The ambient temperature of the area where my PC sits is commonly 85 degrees ... and warmer some days. There's nothing I can do about this. The idea with water is that I can keep the case temp below 100 ...
Gotta get water to both sides. Gotta;)
i'm not sure about the mounting method but this could work i think. either get a solid block of copper and machine grooves out to fit between each stick of ram and then have a flat piece on top with a hole down the length of them for water to flow. i tried to post a pic but i seem to have forgotten how :( "my mind hasn't worked since i inhaled a bunch of paint fumes yesterday"
CrashOveride
09-09-02, 11:01 PM
maybe somthing like this using some copper sheet type stuff that is thin and can be clamped on and easyly bent and stuff and things...:D :eh?: :D
these damned pics have to be so small! it sucks
EDIT: hmm.. i jsut realized the pic missed something, the fittings woudl be on oppisite endsas and sides so the water woudl, hopefully fill the whole thing... although that may be heavy... sorry 4 my typing i am really tired:D :eh?:
Theorie
09-10-02, 06:50 AM
Already been done...
Available here:
http://www.thewarfields.com/img/HotRodPC/RAMCool.jpghttp://cooling-solutions.de/
Paazabel
09-10-02, 10:59 AM
THANKS Fuji!
I'm not much on their design, though. I'll try to put together another graphic to capture how I'm thinking about it ... but essentially, you'd have solid copper plates on both sides of the memory that "clip" together with two springs. They would be fairly thin, but they should serve to spread heat evenly across their surfaces.
Given the nature of heat (i.e., it goes where it is cold), I was thinking that water running across the top of the memory would suffice. The water should cool a portion of the copper plate (unfortunately, not all of it, which would be more efficient), and heat would continue to be conducted "toward" it.
I suppose if I only use one stick of memory, the spacing issue is moot. I'll have to do a little more investigation on how badly I need 1GB of memory vs. 512MB of very fast memory ... If 1GB memory, I likely won't overclock because doing so with two chips is playing with fire, according to most.
Wicked Klown
09-10-02, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Fujikuro
Already been done...
Available here:
http://www.thewarfields.com/img/HotRodPC/RAMCool.jpghttp://cooling-solutions.de/
Thats the one I was talking about. The second ram chip is only cooled on one side.
Wicked Klown
09-10-02, 11:31 AM
Why not do it something like this.
JFettig
09-10-02, 03:22 PM
it seems pretty pointless, but you could just stick tubes on a heatspreader, some copper tubes...
Penguin4x4
09-10-02, 03:28 PM
I have seen a guy stick pelt and a long coldplate on his RAM, along with a modified waterblock :)
kinglouiex
09-10-02, 06:49 PM
I think I saw the same site and he said after all of that work it didnt help much
Originally posted by kinglouiex
I think I saw the same site and he said after all of that work it didnt help much
This may be true. Even on video ram the oc does not go up a lot due to cooling. What does change though is artifacting leading one to conclude that cooling may aid in data being corrupted due to highly oc'ed (and thus heated?) ram on the mobo.
kinglouiex
09-10-02, 11:55 PM
Hey I will agree with ya I am useing ram coolers (passive) but if someone says hey hyper cooling the ram will result in ( fill in the blank) I am all for it.
Stedeman
09-11-02, 02:12 AM
Switch to kingmax ram or any other tiny bga type. It runs much cooler than the standard ram
johnnyw
09-25-02, 08:08 PM
Guys, has anyone of you thought about pumping the water?
Just if you have the vid card, the cpu and now the ram trying to be cooled, you would be needing quite a big pump ( lot of pressure).
Maybe using two of the would be safer as it would decrease the pressure in the tubing and will avoid leakeage.
Aparte from that there is another issue: is the water going through the cpu , afterwards the vid card and at last the ram. Sure it won´t, that involves having to use another radiator or whatever.
Just thoughts that may help for those who are thinking of this project ever be made
Im gonna make my own....
iv made a CPU,graphics and northbridge,,, just need to do the RAM
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/borguk/RAM_cooler.JPG
Next time it will be in CAD and in scale
Borgy
Originally posted by johnnyw
Guys, has anyone of you thought about pumping the water?
Avery valid point. However, if you have gone to this point, why not set up a dual pump system? Use one on your video/cpu and the other on ram/chipset.
Easy to setup, easy to use really.
Im sure that overall, it would be at least slightly overkill. But, then again, is not everything 'we' do overkill? :D
Originally posted by IFMU
Avery valid point. However, if you have gone to this point, why not set up a dual pump system? Use one on your video/cpu and the other on ram/chipset.
Easy to setup, easy to use really.
Im sure that overall, it would be at least slightly overkill. But, then again, is not everything 'we' do overkill? :D
I'm running dual pumps now, one for the vid and one for the cpu. Dual bongs however one res.
gone_fishin
09-26-02, 01:56 AM
If you could get a difinitive answer as to how many watts two sticks of ram gives off when overclocked, using just the right sized small pelt/or pelts on a custom design might work. Do you follow me at all? Minimum insulation and a copper clamp body with a flat plate on top for the pelt/small waterblock attachment. It could handle better waterflow and still be small in size. The water would only need to cool the hot side of a single or possibly a dual pelt and a rectangular narrow shaped waterblock. This project is for the extremehttp://www.nscooling.com/Aaron/Forum/graphics/cool.gif
Here's some nasty paint skillz, caution wet paint! http://www.nscooling.com/Aaron/Forum/graphics/scared_button.gif
http://www.nscooling.com/oc/rampelt.JPG
JFettig
09-26-02, 05:20 PM
looking at your design i got a great idea!, make similar things like the T things and make them so you can use all 3 dimms, and make a waterblock for the top of them....
gone_fishin
09-26-02, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by maskedgeek
looking at your design i got a great idea!, make similar things like the T things and make them so you can use all 3 dimms, and make a waterblock for the top of them....
Most people who overclock only use one stick or two at the most, it gives the best results. With this being extreme, I suggest pelts because they do not need to be high wattage and only liquid cooling probably wouldn't net much of a gain unless you are running a chiller on the whole loop. If you run a chiller then you could simply use the waterblock without the pelts on it or even more extreme, use both and give the memory a real freeze at the expense of more insulating work.
The sketch I made has some fundamental flaws like it would need to be shorter than drawn so the retention clips will still be accessible. Someone feel free to redesign it, maybe collectively we can come up with something doable.:)
Im working on a duel pump system right now
im useing 2 beckett's 60gph pumps with 1/2 tube
but one Rad (6x6x2 heater core 5/8 pipe)
do i have to get it up like this
................pump 1 > North/b >CPU >
Res > {................................................. ............} " T " > Rad > res
................Pump 2 > Geforce 2 >(RAM coming)
it seems to work ok with such low flowing pumps
gone_fishin
09-26-02, 10:29 PM
Try this, the cpu gets no flow restrictions.
Edit: ASCII sketch didn't turn out:( see post below:)
gone_fishin
09-26-02, 10:34 PM
Tell me what you think of this?
Maximus Nickus
09-27-02, 12:53 PM
gone_fishin,
I use 3 sticks of RAM when overclocking, and I have not been able to get any stick higher on its own.
And incidentally 768MB RAM gave me a 500-800 point increase in 3D Mark compared to a 256MB stick.
Watercooling the RAM is a useful idea espicially with 3.2V running through it, something I've wanted to do but never got around to doing it.
The way I came up with as the simplest was to get 3 thin blocks of copper and drill-press a single hole through the side of each one creating a channel. Then connecting the side channels via a hole bored through the top connected with barbs. Seal the sides and repeat for all three. They could then be connected via hosing, and sealed together in a neat box of somesort...:rolleyes:
Then again the channel would be so small (due to the space-restraints) it wouldn't really be effective enough to warrant spending the time on.
M_N
walkerIV
09-27-02, 01:59 PM
Speaking of ram cooling:
http://www.overclockers.com/tips1003/index03.asp
It's in the middle of the article though, to concentrate on ram cooling.
gone_fishin
09-27-02, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Maximus Nickus
gone_fishin,
I use 3 sticks of RAM when overclocking, and I have not been able to get any stick higher on its own.
And incidentally 768MB RAM gave me a 500-800 point increase in 3D Mark compared to a 256MB stick.
Watercooling the RAM is a useful idea espicially with 3.2V running through it, something I've wanted to do but never got around to doing it.
The way I came up with as the simplest was to get 3 thin blocks of copper and drill-press a single hole through the side of each one creating a channel. Then connecting the side channels via a hole bored through the top connected with barbs. Seal the sides and repeat for all three. They could then be connected via hosing, and sealed together in a neat box of somesort...:rolleyes:
Then again the channel would be so small (due to the space-restraints) it wouldn't really be effective enough to warrant spending the time on.
M_N
Wow, then you have some exceptionally well matched sticks. Normally though, odds are one in a group of three will be holding you back on higher fsb.
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