Temps see to be high for watercooling...help me out

[Cool J]

cpu temp is 57C and the case temp is 42C
athlon xp 1600+ at 181 x 10.5 = 1900mhz at 2.10 volts
room temp is around 85 degrees Farenheit
temps are under 100% load running prime 95
all in a lian li pc-68 case

setup:

spir@l waterblock 1/2"
black ice pro radiator with panaflo 120mm 68.9 cfm fan
1/2" tgon tubing
distilled water with water wetter(how much water weter do i need? i put some in but the water is sitll very clear, not pink like i see a lot of you guys have)
eheim 1250 pump 317 gph


i'm trying to run with as few fans as possible. right now the 2 80mm fans up front in the case are set to low. i have the panaflo fan running and the 2 fans in the power supply running. i can get it to post at 2005mhz but it wont get any further than that.

[nfsga]

If that is being read off of the die, that isn't that bad. You can't expect a whole lot when you start in a hot room.

[Cool J]

yeah, its being read from the diode. i am using an epox 8k3a+ motherboard

[cack01]

Where is your rad located?? If it is inside the case, or if you are using the air inside your case to cool it then there is your problem. Your case temp is way way too high. Thats 107F. Where is your panaflo fan located?? Although this is just a personal example, my watercooled temps are typically 10C above ambient, and thats with an ambient of 87F. So I think you can get that temp down quite a bit.

Depending on where your panaflo is, you may need a blow hole, or change the place that your rad is located.

[grunjee]

Given those variables your temps aren't that bad... like nfsga said, your room temp is very hot to begin with...

Your chip, running at 2.10 Volts and 1900 MHz is putting out something like 130 Watts if I'm correct, which is a lot to dissipate...

And that BIP rad, isn't it smaller than an average Heater Core? If so it can only dissipate so much heat.

[Cool J]

yeah, the black ice pro is smaller than the heatercore, needed stuff to fit so i opted for the black ice. and my panaflo is about 4 inches from the front in where therer used to be the hard drive cage.

[nfsga]

Originally posted by cack01
Although this is just a personal example, my watercooled temps are typically 10C above ambient, and thats with an ambient of 87F. So I think you can get that temp down quite a bit.


I don't know if comparing temp probe results from a p3 is quite the same as on-diode temp from an athlon :)

[cack01]

Originally posted by nfsga


I don't know if comparing temp probe results from a p3 is quite the same as on-diode temp from an athlon :)

No, it isn't and thats why its a personal example. Even though the rad isn't as good as a heatercore, I still think his case temps are affecting him a little. I think a blow hole is needed.

[nikhsub1]

Those temps are totally normal, a little hot but normal. I have the same board, CPU etc. I run a heater core, TC-4 and the 1250 with 1/2" too. In an 85F room, you can't expect too much, H20 cooling is just as sensitive to ambient temps as air cooling. Rest assured that you are probably 10-15C cooler with your H20 than you would be with the BEST air cooling. I have a tip for you as well, the TC-4 outperforms the Spir@l, I tested both on Tuesday and the TC-4 gives me 3-5C lower temps. If I were you I would lower the voltage and the OC til cooler room temps are at hand.

[Fink]

I would say that your temps are a bit hot, but with the core at 2.1V, I don't know. Never run that much voltage through a CPU.

As to how much water wetter, shoot for 1 oz per liter, or, 30 mL/L. Any more leads to diminishing returns.

I would make the suggestion that your pump is flowing too much volume. With the high flow pump, residence time for water in the radiator is so low that there is little time for the air flowing through the radiator to actually cool the fluid. Change the pump to something slower or make sure you are using a high volume fan (100+cfm) on the radiator.

My 60 gph pump, trans cooler and dangerden block keeps my 1.33@1.5 (1.85V, 85W) at 104F (40C) with a room temp of 75F (23.3C) and case temp of 79F (26C). At 85F (29C) room temp the CPU runs at 109F (43C).

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by Fink
I would say that your temps are a bit hot, but with the core at 2.1V, I don't know. Never run that much voltage through a CPU.

As to how much water wetter, shoot for 1 oz per liter, or, 30 mL/L. Any more leads to diminishing returns.

I would make the suggestion that your pump is flowing too much volume. With the high flow pump, residence time for water in the radiator is so low that there is little time for the air flowing through the radiator to actually cool the fluid. Change the pump to something slower or make sure you are using a high volume fan (100+cfm) on the radiator.

My 60 gph pump, trans cooler and dangerden block keeps my 1.33@1.5 (1.85V, 85W) at 104F (40C) with a room temp of 75F (23.3C) and case temp of 79F (26C). At 85F (29C) room temp the CPU runs at 109F (43C).
OK most of what you are saying is just wrong. The pump is fine, and, you can't compare your insocket temps to his ON DIE temps.

[Paazabel]

Seems to me that you might consider a bong instead of a radiator. If you are starting with a room temp of 85 degrees, you might want something that gets your water a little bit less than room temp ...

[grunjee]

Originally posted by nikhsub1
the TC-4 outperforms the Spir@l, I tested both on Tuesday and the TC-4 gives me 3-5C lower temps.

Holy cow man, 3-5 degrees?... and the Spir@l outperforms the Maze3 right? Now is that the Rev2 version of the TC-4 with the clear top?

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by grunjee


Holy cow man, 3-5 degrees?... and the Spir@l outperforms the Maze3 right? Now is that the Rev2 version of the TC-4 with the clear top?
Yes, the rev 2. Weird huh? I couldn't believe it either.

[bongo]

[i]I have a tip for you as well, the TC-4 outperforms the Spir@l, I tested both on Tuesday and the TC-4 gives me 3-5C lower temps. If I were you I would lower the voltage and the OC til cooler room temps are at hand. [/B]

Hehehee
Thats what Im talkin about. I keep telling people that the TC-4 is a way better design than the spiral. The temp diff may be very minimal, but it does performs better.

MY watercooling setup (well the one with the TC-4) keeps the proc at room temp under 2.0 volts, but only when the room temp is equal or below 28 C.
At a room temp of 36 C my cpu temp jumps to 45 C.

All this is measured off diode on a ep-8k3a+. (also have cpu utalized 100%, have prime95 and folding@home running)

This shows you that room temp has a huge effect on your cpu temp even though your watercooling. At your room temp. those readings seem accurate. And that BIX cooler doesn't help the matter.:beer:

[masitti]

Damn, your CPU is at 1.9 GHz, what do you expect?! lol

For an overclocked, over volted setup, temps are fine. What are your temps at stock?

[Cool J]

i havnt even tried running at stock speed lol. 1400mhz just seems so slow compared to 1900mhz. i'll give it a try later running at stock speed and voltage

[packratbob]

u got to love that 500 mhz oc. temps look good for and on die reading case temps seem a lil on the high side though. are u drawing air directly from outside the case or are u recirculateing air inside the case? cos with 108 cf going tru my rad my case temps are only 1or2 degs higher then room temps.

[RnPgrosz]

Those temps aren't bad, especially when your room temp is 85F and your cases temps are 40C.

Does anybody know how the Maze 3 does against the TC-4?