my new geforce 4 ti4600 is worth then my geforce 3 ti200 help!

[idgamerd]

Ok I can say I'm VERY VERY mad right now. I dont know what wtf is the problem. I have CHAINTECH GEFORCE4 TI4600 A-GT60. I dont know what I expected but I know that at 3DMark I didnt NOT EXPECT TO GET Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 45.1 FPS. Is this normal, because I really dont think so. I feel like I just trew 240$ in the garbage :( Advice please!!

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4533130

This is my 3d mark test please help :(

[Cullam3n]

If that's your real FSB, that's a problem. Also, your CPU is a little on the slow side for higher scores. See, this is where overclocking comes in. =)

-PC

[idgamerd]

Nah the FSB is messed up dont know why. I'm running on 133 tough. Anyways... I hope when I build my new pc next week I will get much better scores.

[Wicked Klown]

Thats not bad. With my Chaintech A-GT61 I only got 38.5fps. Here is my score (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4462545)

[idgamerd]

Yea but your CPU is keeping you down, me on the other hand I dont know what. Must be my ****y K7S5A good thing I'll upgrade my whole computer next week.

[Wicked Klown]

Do you have the vid card o.ced and if so to what.

[Rabid Snail]

I am getting a very similar 3d Mark score as you, and have a nearly identicle setup as you. If an AMD Athlon 2100+ is the bottleneck to my system, that is kinda sucky, considering it isnt exactly a low end chip. I am new to tweaking and really want my new system to be running at least 10-11k on 3d Mark. What would your advice be for me to do, my CPU is running 43 or so at idle so it isnt exactly that cool. I am thingking of lowering the CPU modifier and upping the FSB to get more ram and video card bandwith. I am worried about frying out my PCI slots, but I beleive I read somewhere that the chipset I am using (KT333) has a protection against that. And if a 1.7ghz AMD really is the bottleneck, should I just up the FSB for now to overclock slightly, or go through the trouble of Unlocking my CPU?

Thanks in advanced, and sorry for postikng a typical n00b post. I was planning on posting something thought provocing and all, but I guess I just couldn't think of something soon enough, and needed help with my Tweaking.

Thanks again.

EDIT: MY 8 light polyogn test thing really sucks, only like 7.8 fps.
EDIT AGAIN: Sorry, new to the 3d Mark thing, sorry for being such a n00b. Here is my benchmark link, my FSB is 133 and I am running my CPU at stock 2100+...any ideas to get my score up?
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4527467

[Wicked Klown]

Does that have the 1/6 divider. If so you should be able to run 166fsb which would keep the PCI in specs. Also I would try to unlock your CPU.

[Rabid Snail]

Cool, thing is, will I have any chance of frying out my video card? Also, the 1/6 divider affects the hard drive also, right, if not, should I worry alot about it at those speeds? I am sure my ram can handel it though.

I did a 15 mhz overclock on my GPU, and got a score over 10k.
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4535179

My gpu is at 315 mhz now, but I have some questions:
Should I push it more?
I remember reading that a Ti4600 has a 400mhz gpu, so iss this under clocked?
Do I need better cooling? (The fan is kinda puny, I am thingking of copying the pci fan idea.)
What is a good memory bus speed?
Should I overclocked my cpu?
How do I find a good reading of my Video Card's temp?

Sorry for Hijacking the thead, hopefully advice I get will help you out. (I just want to avoid poluting the forums with similar threads, if it is considered very rude to do th is, just tell me and I'll make a new thread.)

Thanks

EDIT: I am getting really burned in the high polygon/lighting test still. Every other benchmark I have seen for a simmilar setup is around 13 fps

[idgamerd]

No I would really like to hear someone info on this too, since I am going to build my new computer next week and I cant decide between intel and amd.

"Does that have the 1/6 divider" whats that? I dont know much about amd overclocking but I found out alot about intel, never heard of such divider though. I know that on intel board 166FBS = 42PCI bus and the highest you can have is 38! Unless you have a PCI/AGP locker of cource.

http://www.slapps.com/review/p4s533/bilder/bios_asusp4s533%20008.jpg

This is how it looks on intel board I want to get, this screen shot shows FSB/PCI

[Rabid Snail]

Another problem, I upped the GPU clock a little more and ran 3dMark again, and got a score lower then what I began with.

I am confused, please help me. I really would like 11k, but I'm not picky. Any advice or anwsers to my above questions would be great.

[Wicked Klown]

If you do have the 1/6 divider it keeps everything in spec. That includes the AGP. PCI, hard drives and ram if it can handle it. Also the core speed of the 4600 is 300 and a memory of 650.

[Rabid Snail]

Apparently I am running stock then....How far do you think I can safely overclock it with my current fan?

You are saying that the fsb with the 1/6 divider will only up my HD, Ram, and CPU? That wont help salot if the AGP slot is left alone, but will faster ram really prove that much better?

What advice do you have for my current set up? (see sig)

Mabey up the FSB to 145 and lower the modifier to around 12?

[Wicked Klown]

First things first. What kinda cooling are you using on your CPU. And sorry bout before thats a 1/5 divider and from what I can tell at the web site your doesn't have that. I'd say up your FSB a little at a time and if it becomes unstable back it down til the last time it was stable.

[idgamerd]

If you get your FSB up everything will work faster and you will get a higher score. Stock or no stock it dont really matter I remember putting 80mm fan on top of my geforce 3 ti200 and I could not higher with it or with out it. Here is what I did:http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze25wm2/fan1.jpg

[Rabid Snail]

I got some decent air circualtion in my case (Lian Li PC 65 B), 4 fans. I got no real good air moving past my AGP slot. The stock fan is kinda small, and will probably need to be upgraded. I am thinking of either making my own, or buying a PCI slot fan.

I might replace the GPU fan, but I need to know how hard it is to get off, and is there a great chance of a n00b like me hurting my GPU?

My CPU cooling seems stable enough since I dont plan on overclocking it yet, and I might go to water cooling later on if I really wanna overclock.

So for a first step, should I lower my CPU modifier and up the FSB speed and run a benchmark?

Thanks (again)

[Wicked Klown]

Yea just do it a little at a time. If it becomes unstable back it down to where it was last stable.

[Rabid Snail]

I have yet another problem. I lowered the multiplyer in the BIOS, and raised the FSB to 144, yet it does not run any lower (according to Fuzzy Logic, a program that came with my mobo), so it was very unstable and crashed. How do i actually lower the Multiplyer. Do I need to unlock it?

[Wicked Klown]

Yes you have to unlock it. Remember raise the FSB a little at a time.

[Rabid Snail]

I cant exactly unlock it right now, so do you have any advice as to what to do now that does not invlolve unlocking? Mabey up the fsb to a stable point?

And will it be safe to up the GPU by 15-20 mhz?

[idgamerd]

Yes it would be safe, but if you want to extra safe up by 10 then go to windows and check the temperature. If its ok then go further if your temp is ok and you still crush you need to make your vcore higher.

It seems I cant overclock my geforce 4 ti4600 any further I'm stuck at 320/760. I started by going up from memory clock and when I got to its highest then I started with core but it dont want to any higher then 320? Does it matter what up first? Maybe I should up core 1st and then ram? Then maybe I will have higher core?

[Rabid Snail]

So what exactly do I have to do to find out my GPU temp?

[Wicked Klown]

Originally posted by idgamerd
Yes it would be safe, but if you want to extra safe up by 10 then go to windows and check the temperature. If its ok then go further if your temp is ok and you still crush you need to make your vcore higher.

It seems I cant overclock my geforce 4 ti4600 any further I'm stuck at 320/760. I started by going up from memory clock and when I got to its highest then I started with core but it dont want to any higher then 320? Does it matter what up first? Maybe I should up core 1st and then ram? Then maybe I will have higher core?


No it doesn't matter what you o.c. first.

[Wicked Klown]

Originally posted by Rabid Snail
So what exactly do I have to do to find out my GPU temp?


You have have a program if not you can download motherboard monitor5 or get a compnurse or a digidoc 5.

[idgamerd]

Klownin79 what did you overclock yours too?


http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4536134

[Wicked Klown]

I got mine up to 320/725 so far. I have to wait til my PSU comes in so I can use my computer. With mine at that and CPU at 1266 I got a score of 8883.

[Rabid Snail]

I cant seem to get past the 10k mark with my system. Any ideas on what to do to beat it. Since I need to unlock it, which might take a while, I am gonna up the FSB without a lower multipltyer.

My video card seems stable at 315/667, and I could get higher with some better colling. I have about 25-50 dollars that I could possibly spend on cooling, any ideas? I am proably gonna make a PCI slot fan, would that be good?

[Wicked Klown]

Are you talkin bout the ones the go in to the PCI slot and blow the air out.If so bad idea they two fans will be fighting one another.

[idgamerd]

Why do you say fighting? In the PCI is set on exhaust it will blow on the AGP fan and it will cooler, at least that’s what I think, I might be wrong.

[Wicked Klown]

All the pci fans I have seen blow the air out of the case. Where as a video card heatsink fan blows the air on to the card. So if you have the PCI fan right under it, it will be taking away the air meant for the video card cooler.

[maxima88]

I'd say that there is definitely something wrong w/ your vid card since I scored 10189 in 3DMark2001se @ stock 1.4GHz and w/ my MSI GF4 Ti4200 @ default 250/513.

I'm very close to 13,000 now, scored 12,933 @ 1.83GHz and vid card o/c to 315/634:
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4536962

This is just to give you a point of reference.

[hallowen]

hey dudes,

I've been beating my head against the wall trying to get my Chaintech Ti4600/gt61 to go more than 345/745 with/without Vmods,even flashed the latest Nvidia reference Bios(.28) but could Not go above this even WITH Vmods,probably due to the A2 Stepping that everyone tells me I have.

btw:I'm using 40.41 Detonators.

15280 3DMark

[Rabid Snail]

Are you kidding, you are getting a 15k 3d mark score and complaining? You guys should be helping me. I have trouble beating 10k.

What is it, a bad card, a bad brand of card, and is there anything I can do about it, considering it is working at OK (not for a TI 4600) speeds. Another thing, I dont have a souncard, or a good cd drive yet, will that hurt my score.

[Wicked Klown]

Originally posted by hallowen
hey dudes,

I've been beating my head against the wall trying to get my Chaintech Ti4600/gt61 to go more than 345/745 with/without Vmods,even flashed the latest Nvidia reference Bios(.28) but could Not go above this even WITH Vmods,probably due to the A2 Stepping that everyone tells me I have.

btw:I'm using 40.41 Detonators.

15280 3DMark



What's in the rest of your system.

[Wicked Klown]

Rabid Snail can I ask you something? Are you happy with the card when playing games? If you are, what does it matter what you get in 3D Mark? Aslo not having a good CD-rom or having a sound card will hurt you. 3DMark doesn't run off either of those.

[idgamerd]

Good point. I was upset in the begging because I got 5 fps less then most people on 3dmark test on high detail race test but I guess its ok. Any idea why I can get my memory up so high? Like I said its at 760 right now but the core dont want to go any higher then 320 :(

[Wicked Klown]

Don't really know. I do know most the places I read reviews bout it said they found 320/725 to be the sweet spot.

[Rabid Snail]

Thing is, a high 3d Mark score does equate (sp?) to good performance, and I want this computer to be compatible with future games.

I sent an e-mail to the company that makes the card, and am asking if I am doing anything wrong posibly.

Is it possible the card is a dud, if so, I can probably get a new one (I could always blackmail them with a review of the dud presented as a review of a working card, but hopefully it wont come to that.).

[Wicked Klown]

Snail please tell me you didn't talk to them about overclocking. Most companies don't aprove of such things.

[Rabid Snail]

I did not say anything about overclocking, I even reset to default speeds since I feel guilty about it (weird, huh?). I really didnt notice enough performance gains that were worth me having to keep a faulty card.