This is Sick

[progamer]

Check it out here:

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-975320.html

If anyone caps my space I'm leaving.

[stompah]

That sux.

:(

Stupid ISPs.

[DDR-PIII]

Slowly losing the point of the internet, I don't mean that is was made for swapping software, but the speed is the point, everyone wants things faster, slowing down their services is probably only going to cost them customers/bussines.

[DarkArctic]

Yes it does suck. I'm using Bell Canada's Sympatico service and I'm seriously considering switching services. 5GB isn't too hard to download when you have two teens (my brother and I) surfing and gaming a lot. It's about $7 extra per GB when we go over. Very limited if you ask me.

-DarkArctic

[DarkArctic]

Originally posted by DDR-PIII
Slowly losing the point of the internet, I don't mean that is was made for swapping software, but the speed is the point, everyone wants things faster, slowing down their services is probably only going to cost them customers/bussines.

It's not related to speed. The speed is all the same. It's the amout of traffic you generate per month. For example, on my service I'm only allowed to download 5GB of data per month (same goes for upload). After that, they start adding to the bill for every 100MB over we go.

-DarkArctic

[progamer]

Really? I didn't think many isp's did that.

With my isp (sbc dsl) there's no limit at all. I can download and upload at max speeds 24/7 with no extra charge. :)

[DDR-PIII]

well I guess I'm lucky since I can upload/download as much as i want :D

[progamer]

Originally posted by DDR-PIII
well I guess I'm lucky since I can upload/download as much as i want :D

What's your ISP?

[cerberus]

yeah i saw that... the isp's should expect to see mass migration to the services who still have unlimited bandwidth

[FireMogle]

The one I am on will cut the bandwith if you go over the limit. I forget how much the limit is, but the bandwith cut slows things down a little bit.

[KLowD9x]

I dont even have cable yet...and that article ****es me off. What about those people who run web servers/game servers/other servers? Thats all legal..and it takes alot of bands to do that! The people are paying for the bandwidth...if they want to transfer files that are 32158475613mb is size...let them. The broadband services are already too expensive. 50 dollars a month for a 2.1Mbps connection? WTF IS THAT!???? 50 dollars a month prolly pays for a 6Mbps connection at the main office. Bands arent that expensive...that 50 dollars also goes to paying the employees accounts...which dont have to pay for cable and broadband. or telephone and broadband. This country is going to hell...and once we get there...im leaving.

[Kingslayer]

I don't agree with this at all. There was one important group left out of this article entirely and thats gamers.

And don't whine about broadband being expensive. $50 for 2.1 Meg is a great price considering a 1.5m T1 runs between $400 and $600 a month.

[Oni]

This was to be expected. So long as the caps aren't insanely low (i.e. Bell Canada's ADSL 5GB/mo), I'll be fine. If it's around 10-15GB/mo, you'll hear no complaining from me. If it goes to around 5GB, I'll be looking into switching providers. Hell, just this month I've used up about 5GB (Pleads 5th).

I understand why you guys are upset, but you should've seen this coming.

[progamer]

How can you tell how much you have downloaded?

I don't know how much i've downloaded in the past month, but I think it's a lot. The only good thing is that my isp (sbc dsl) isn't thinking about imposing any limits any time soon so I'm safe to surf as I please.

[WyrmMaster]

Everyone please just shut up about how expensive broadband is. I pay FIFTY DOLLARS per month for 512/256 DSL. Thats as fast as i can get.

[Oni]

Part of the reason that broadband is so terribly expensive is 'cause of people abusing it. I'm glad to pay my $50 CND/mo for my cable. Mommy and Daddy won't pay it, either.

[WyrmMaster]

Yah, i just hate hearing people complain about there 1.5mb cable for 40 bucks a month....

Im definetly happy to pay it, it sure beats dialup, and its all i can get. Im actually only paying half of it though, my parents were paying when we had dialup, so the only way i could convince them to let me get DSL was to pay most of the increase. Works for me.

[progamer]

My 56k modem connected at 24k.

Needless to say, I was very pleased when I got dsl. :)

[Kingslayer]

Broadband IS NOT expensive. Give me a break. Most everyone here had dialup at one time or another. How much we're you paying for that 56k? Probably $20 a month to the ISP, then another $15-$20 a month for the second phone line...

$40 a month for 56k was acceptible, now $50 for broadband is deemed to expensive? You people are getting spoiled out of your minds.

Like I said before, drop the $600 of coin for a T-1, then you can complain about expensive.

[Wedo]

This charge on bandwidth shouldn't have come as a suprise, a dissapointment yes, but not to shocking. The tech industry has been reeling since the stock market dropped and invenstors have turned their backs on anything that plugs into a wall.

ISP's have to compete with each other for business that is growing at a rate slower than the cost of purchasing, maintaining, and upgrading new equipment. It is true that bandwidth prices continue to drop, however, the industry continues to look for avenues that will postively affect their bottom line.

Soon we will pay for both speed AND bandwidth. AOL users who don't know the difference will buy the minimum package and all of us will be asked to throw an extra $20 or so down for bigger, better, and faster.

Wedo

[Mystikal]

Most isp's already cap your speeds, like my roadrunner my up load is capped at a max of 45k/sec. If these isp's are going to start capping the amount of bandwidth we use then they need to atleast raise our speed caps and give us what we are really paying for.

[Oni]

Originally posted by Kingslayer
$40 a month for 56k was acceptible, now $50 for broadband is deemed to expensive? You people are getting spoiled out of your minds.

I never said that $50 was expensive. For me, it was either $40 for dialup+extra phone line, or pay an extra $10 and get cable. Guess which one I opted for :rolleyes: :)

Originally posted by Mystikal
Most isp's already cap your speeds, like my roadrunner my up load is capped at a max of 45k/sec. If these isp's are going to start capping the amount of bandwidth we use then they need to atleast raise our speed caps and give us what we are really paying for.

Well, my capped speed doesn't bother me in the least, actually. I mean, who am I to complain that I only get ~250 Kbps? They won't raise the throughput cap at all. You have to remember that these companies don't owe us anything. If you take a look at your EULA, you'll see that you're not guaranteed 1.5 Mb, you're guaranteed up to 1.5Mb. That is what you're paying for.

[Nico3k]

if my isp dares give me a monthly limit then im gona have to do something that i should...

[Oni]

Originally posted by Nico3k
if my isp dares give me a monthly limit then im gona have to do something that i should...

Dares give you a monthly limit? They're within their rights to do anything they want with your connection. Which includes restricting your throughput to 56k modem speed if they so choose, and you have no recourse. Read your EULA again.

All you can do is change providers, which I plan on doing if my cap is too low for me come the new year (5 GB is too low. Workable, but I like a bit more flexability).

These companies owe you nothing. All they have to do is provide an internet connection with up to a ~1.5Mb downstream. That's it. This means they can do whatever they want, however they want, and nobody can stop them. All we can do is change our downloading habits, or find a provider that better suits our needs.

[Zerileous]

I use road runner and i think capping speeds is exceptable, iv never had speed issues with DL and UL or anything and it keeps the peeps across the street from sapping my conn with their porn fetish (just guessing here).

[su root]

The way I see it is that the price we are paying for broadband should be a compilation of the costs that we incur on the network, including traffic, equipment, and line maintenance.

I see no good reason for them to lower limits or raise prices. They are engineers, and should have forsaw all of the variables associated with openning a system like this.

I'm no expert when it comes to network engineering, but a bell curve should tell you that 10% of the users will use 90-100% of their bandwidth most of the time, and another 10% will check their email once a year. And the majority are normal users.

Everyone says their losing money. Yes, they are losing money from the 10% that are abusing the connection, but they are also making on the 10% that never use it. Their solution: Cap everyone. Provide less service. So you are getting less for your money.

I know of several xDSL ISPs around that will get my business if mainstream cable goes cap. (mainstream xDSL has already gone cap).

[FireMogle]

Originally posted by su root
They are engineers, and should have forsaw all of the variables associated with openning a system like this.
Engineers, not Gods.:D
Everyone says their losing money. Yes, they are losing money from the 10% that are abusing the connection, but they are also making on the 10% that never use it. Their solution: Cap everyone. Provide less service. So you are getting less for your money.
We live in an economic system called capitalism, and as such if a company does loose money, they change or die. I doubt that any ISP will set a limit so low that everyone will hit it, there will be a limit that is reasonable, as one that is not will cost them money, and they know that.
I know of several xDSL ISPs around that will get my business if mainstream cable goes cap. (mainstream xDSL has already gone cap).
And this is the vote of the consumer, as consumers vote with money. If ISPs do cap limits, and enough people think like you, they will cange back or go bankrupt, but how many people do you think will change over somthing that will not affect them that much?

[specific]

I hope Charter Pipeline doesn't jump on that train. As long as the rates are reasonable it shouldn't be a problem though. Maybe some company will come out with "rollover" gigs.:eh?:
nah

[Puer Aeternus]

I noticed a few Ontario people here. My friends and I left Sympatico when they introduced caps...I probably shoulda went w/ Rogers(no cap) but I have a soft spot for dsl and i own my own modem so I shopped around. I found a company that I now use and the price is reasonable, service great and best of all...NO CAP!!!!
http://www.vif.com/

I tried a dsl company that had a 20gig cap(seemed enough for me). But w/ file tranfers, gaming, ftp and basic surfing...my roomates and I ate that up in 3 weeks!

Personally, I like having the headroom of not worrying about how close I am getting to my cap limit. I also have roomates who use my second puter on the same dsl service. So unlimited cap is a major selling point for me and VIF gets my complete support!

edit:
looks like these guys also have no cap for residential dsl..again, this link is for Ontario people.

http://www.net100.ca/products/dsl-res.asp

[su root]

Originally posted by FireMogle
Engineers, not Gods.:D
True, but numbers are numbers, their job description usually involves finding potential risks, and bankrupcy is one of them...

We live in an economic system called capitalism, and as such if a company does loose money, they change or die. I doubt that any ISP will set a limit so low that everyone will hit it, there will be a limit that is reasonable, as one that is not will cost them money, and they know that.
"Change or Die" -- Companies that are calling 128kbits/s "broadband" after a change from regular cable/dsl are pitiful, and deserve to die.
Europian broadband has a few good ideas (for company preservation, atleast), which is provide bandwidth to a neighborhood, and whoever uses it, uses it. The only cap per-person is on the neighborhood. That way, there is a static amount of bandwidth given out. It would suck around here, but atleast prices wouldnt' go up, and they wouldn't cap us.

And this is the vote of the consumer, as consumers vote with money. If ISPs do cap limits, and enough people think like you, they will cange back or go bankrupt, but how many people do you think will change over somthing that will not affect them that much?
Actually, it would be cheaper to go with this other service I'm thinking of.
If ISPs set cap limits, it entirely depends on company and the person. When Bell/Sympatico dropped their DSL to 128kbits/s (high-speed-lite 'broadband'), (and another plan of 1Mbit & 5gig cap), everyone I know switched. I know nobody that is on their network. Their caps are too low for the general user. They will, however, still be getting people from the 56k switch, but they will dump it when they find out that for the same price they can get 2Mbit uncapped cable elsewhere.

[Silversinksam]

Back in the good old days I used to get 5000/400-800

Now Im lucky to get 1200/128

@Home had thier act together before AT&T and Comcast, COX, Kleiner Perkins etc etc Uprooted and destroyed them. (The above named are all being sued,and they deserve it, ESPECIALLY AT&T)

Please dont tell me its due to line congestion because I know thats not the case in my area...

[su root]

most likely they didn't have enough subscribers in your area, so they removed bandwidth from your neighborhood.

[Stedeman]

Originally posted by Kingslayer
Broadband IS NOT expensive. Give me a break. Most everyone here had dialup at one time or another. How much we're you paying for that 56k? Probably $20 a month to the ISP, then another $15-$20 a month for the second phone line...

$40 a month for 56k was acceptible, now $50 for broadband is deemed to expensive? You people are getting spoiled out of your minds.

Like I said before, drop the $600 of coin for a T-1, then you can complain about expensive. sorry not me, never spent more than $10 a mo. and for many years free isp:bang head . I would think that a $25 dsl plan would be worth paing but not $50+ way too much for anything under a t1 (IMHO) :burn:

[DanFraser]

Dont whinge about $50pm or whatever for 2mb or whatever.

I am in the UK, and pay the equivalent of 47.0567USD for 512k! I would be insanely happy for those speeds at that price!

And most european ISPs are thinking about caps too.

[SkaGoatMaster]

Sympatico has upped their caps, it's now 10 GB download/upload for basic 1Mbit ADSL, and 20 GB download/upload for 3Mbit "Ultra" ADSL.

[Puer Aeternus]

Originally posted by SkaGoatMaster
Sympatico has upped their caps, it's now 10 GB download/upload for basic 1Mbit ADSL, and 20 GB download/upload for 3Mbit "Ultra" ADSL.


Still, do you want to support caps?

For us in Canada(ontario) I think we should support ISP's that dont limit how much we can downloadUpload each month!

[SkaGoatMaster]

That's why I changed to Rogers Cable

[su root]

Originally posted by SkaGoatMaster
That's why I changed to Rogers Cable
ew.

If you look around, there are lots of alternatives to caps, depending on your region, of course. One of them for the Toronto-area (atleast) is www.golden.net from what I've heard, it is one of the better ISPs. I don't remember what the speeds are, but WildArmSX is on it, and he'll be able to tell you. Maybe I can coax him into posting on this thread.. hmm..

[WildArmSX]

Hi all,

The Company Golden is not a bad ISP if you live in Toronto, Kitchener, Montreal, and i think ottawa. The Residental cost is like $32 if yo buy the modem/router. You have a 1.3MB down adn 168Kbps up and there are no upload and download limits so you adn uplaod and download as much as you want. I Find the service not bad. Try it out this is one of few companies on the TO Area that are not limited what you do yet...

[Oni]

xDSL is currently not an option for me. The phone lines are too old where I live, and they won't upgrade them just for farmers.

Cable on the other hand is here, and it's recent and digital, so it supports Cable Internet. I may have to look into various other ISPs over Cogeco in the new year if the caps are too low for me. Like I said above, 10-15GB/mo would be acceptable. 20GB/mo would be a double bonus, but I doubt they'll put it that high.

Anybody know of any cable ISPs in the Grimsby/Hamilton area other than Cogeco/Rogers?

[Blueacid]

I live in the UK - i pay £23.99 per month ($30 ish - calc done in my head) for 512/256kbps, on pipex. (www.pipex.net)

Bear in mind that this service is contented, so I could at any one time be sharing by bandwidth with 50 other ppl (yeah, fifty).

I have only had it 2 months, and i have transferred AT LEAST (this is just downloads - no allocation for MSN, Web or Email) 20GB.

Cap me and die, PIPEX!

[Namagomi]

Yeah, a lot of ISP's in Canada and Oz (where only one company has control of the phone and cable network) do this for different reasons (i.e. - trying to squeeze every dollar out of a customer they can). It's a total rip-off if you ask me. Anything you pay per month to get and can be used up in less than a day is total crap.

All this article shows is how deep the power of the RIAA is rooted in America. With all the pirated copies of software (http://www.hardocp.com/pastpolls.html?action=results&poll_ident=53), you still don't see MS or other companies such as Adobe trying to do the same thing, even though they have much more to lose. The RIAA is totally on crack if they think that they can bankroll something so broad as this

Anyway, I don't see this working well in America, as competition is such that any ISP that was silly enough to do this would find itself without customers. That is, unless all the Bell's and large cable providers decided to start charging independent ISP's per-gig fees as well.

However, it's an oversimplified and totally irrational answer to solve such a comparatively small problem. Besides, even if you were paying 7 bucks to download a gig of mp3s, that's still cheaper than buying 1 million minutes of music on CD by a exponential amount, and still cheaper than buying two movies (roughly 500meg each) for 20 bucks a pop.

Funny, in other industries, people who are frequent users of a product or service are given special discounts and privileges as "Valued Customers" and "Frequent Flyers," but to internet providers, they are known as "offenders" and "hogs." Interesting.
To any ISP's who would try to impose this, I say "Good Luck” The whole thing makes me want to make me to download some Metallica mp3s :D

The most inrtesting part of the article was this link. (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-960838.html) Normally, I'm not a big fan on Verizon, but I applaud them for protecting the identity of their customers, even when faced with the bottomless pockets of the RIAA legal team. I can only imagine how the lawsuit was started:

<RIAA> Give us the personal information of one of your users!
<Verizon Emo-looking guy> Can you hear me now?
<RIAA> Uh...yeah...
<Verison Emo-looking guy> Good, now go to hell!

:D

And.. really.. all this fuss over "a Kazaa subscriber who allegedly was sharing copies of more than 600 music recordings?" Big deal! Back in "The Good Old Days" of Napster, I knew some guy name AMKestrel on the anime server of napster who had over 5000!

Ugh... I really put too much energy into these posts :rolleyes:

[su root]

With the Canadian industry atleast, there is generally one cable provider per area, so you really only have one choice in cable internet, if you are in an area that can get it.

For DSL there are options, either Bell, or numerous other, smaller, ISPs. These smaller ISPs can only gain entry to the market by promising big speeds and/or low payment, but when they get big, and decide that they are in the hole too deep, then they will reverse their policies, and you have another slow, capped or expensive DSL ISP.

For Dialup, there are lots of options, and even free dialup, if you want to look at ads and be capped at 10 hours :rolleyes:

[nut581]

same thing has been long practiced on Australia .. they have to pay extra for more bandwidth .. sux

[Pyros]

Something for everyone on dial up, cable, and dsl to think on. I currently have a two way internet satellite from Direcway(the same peeps that brought you directv). Great for surfing and DL, with average download speeds of 800k-1600k.(location and satellite transponder will make results vary.) horrible for gaming as the upload speed is only 17k-128k with average pings of 800-1500. $59.99 per mth. and equip cost me $600. they have a FAP policy(Fair Access Policy) which states you can only DL up to 169mb in any 4 hour period during on peak hours and 215mb per hour during off peak hours. On average, you will never DL anything faster than about 250k due to other peoples uploading abilities. But even at that speed, its real easy to pass your DL limit. And when you do, they restrict your DL to dial up speeds, usually around 10k-28k. Just though I would share this with you since I have always had to deal with bandwidth limiting since I have used this system. This is way better than a monthly limit in many ways, but any limiting is stupid and sucks. :mad: But this is a alternative for people that cant get broadband access where they live and beats dial up and day. This is definately not something to go blindly into, so if anyone is concidering this route, do your home work first.

[su root]

I wouldn't mind if my cable capped per month, and if I went over that cap, instead of charging me, just capped me to 30kbytes/s down for the remainder of the month. In my opinnion, that would be tolerable.

[Puer Aeternus]

Originally posted by Namagomi
Yeah, a lot of ISP's in Canada and Oz (where only one company has control of the phone and cable network) do this for different reasons (i.e. - trying to squeeze every dollar out of a customer they can). It's a total rip-off if you ask me. Anything you pay per month to get and can be used up in less than a day is total crap.

All this article shows is how deep the power of the RIAA is rooted in America. With all the pirated copies of software (http://www.hardocp.com/pastpolls.html?action=results&poll_ident=53), you still don't see MS or other companies such as Adobe trying to do the same thing, even though they have much more to lose. The RIAA is totally on crack if they think that they can bankroll something so broad as this

Anyway, I don't see this working well in America, as competition is such that any ISP that was silly enough to do this would find itself without customers. That is, unless all the Bell's and large cable providers decided to start charging independent ISP's per-gig fees as well.

However, it's an oversimplified and totally irrational answer to solve such a comparatively small problem. Besides, even if you were paying 7 bucks to download a gig of mp3s, that's still cheaper than buying 1 million minutes of music on CD by a exponential amount, and still cheaper than buying two movies (roughly 500meg each) for 20 bucks a pop.

Funny, in other industries, people who are frequent users of a product or service are given special discounts and privileges as "Valued Customers" and "Frequent Flyers," but to internet providers, they are known as "offenders" and "hogs." Interesting.
To any ISP's who would try to impose this, I say "Good Luck” The whole thing makes me want to make me to download some Metallica mp3s :D

The most inrtesting part of the article was this link. (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-960838.html) Normally, I'm not a big fan on Verizon, but I applaud them for protecting the identity of their customers, even when faced with the bottomless pockets of the RIAA legal team. I can only imagine how the lawsuit was started:

<RIAA> Give us the personal information of one of your users!
<Verizon Emo-looking guy> Can you hear me now?
<RIAA> Uh...yeah...
<Verison Emo-looking guy> Good, now go to hell!

:D

And.. really.. all this fuss over "a Kazaa subscriber who allegedly was sharing copies of more than 600 music recordings?" Big deal! Back in "The Good Old Days" of Napster, I knew some guy name AMKestrel on the anime server of napster who had over 5000!

Ugh... I really put too much energy into these posts :rolleyes:

For the most part I agree(except his meat fetish;) ) I wonder why isp's dont just charge $5 extra month for each user and give that money to The mob...I mean RIAA and let us download what we want and how much we want....I know this is unrealisistic...but something along those lines might prevent a big mess and make everyone happy in the long run? Maybe like a MP3/Mpeg tax:p

[su root]

something tells me that a mp3 tax wont' work. I doubt the artists would get any money out of it, after all, how will they know which songs were sent unless they take over all the p2p programs out there?

[jokrswild]

Originally posted by Pyros
Something for everyone on dial up, cable, and dsl to think on. I currently have a two way internet satellite from Direcway(the same peeps that brought you directv). Great for surfing and DL, with average download speeds of 800k-1600k.(location and satellite transponder will make results vary.) horrible for gaming as the upload speed is only 17k-128k with average pings of 800-1500. $59.99 per mth. and equip cost me $600. they have a FAP policy(Fair Access Policy) which states you can only DL up to 169mb in any 4 hour period during on peak hours and 215mb per hour during off peak hours. On average, you will never DL anything faster than about 250k due to other peoples uploading abilities. But even at that speed, its real easy to pass your DL limit. And when you do, they restrict your DL to dial up speeds, usually around 10k-28k. Just though I would share this with you since I have always had to deal with bandwidth limiting since I have used this system. This is way better than a monthly limit in many ways, but any limiting is stupid and sucks. :mad: But this is a alternative for people that cant get broadband access where they live and beats dial up and day. This is definately not something to go blindly into, so if anyone is concidering this route, do your home work first.

I called them up this summer after i got a flier, just to see how fast it was (since sat is supposed to be nice and fast). I talked to a Customer Service person, and they don't guarentee anything. I asked them what sort of Download/Upload speeds i'd get, and they said they couldn't tell me. Why not, I asked. Because there are no numbers to give. It really turned me off on the idea. I have Roadrunner, and i'm happy with it. We get good speeds for the price we pay. It's 10 bucks cheaper if you get digital cable too! lol

[Puer Aeternus]

Originally posted by su root
something tells me that a mp3 tax wont' work. I doubt the artists would get any money out of it, after all, how will they know which songs were sent unless they take over all the p2p programs out there?

Ya,I know..I did not say it was a practical idea. But perhaps a % could be added onto the artists royalty cheques?!?
It looks like we are going to be paying one way or another in the future if the Riaa has their way....but kazza is not North American so can the RIAA stop them...I think not. Can RIAA eliminate file sharing...I dont think so...it is the bread and butter of Internet use.
If we are not careful though and watch our backs I am afraid that some govt or group will have the internet regulated so badly we will all be limited to MSN.com.
The internet is still a great place to share information freely from around the world..do we want it regulated. Capping Bandwidth is a start!

[su root]

all of the freedom of the internet is slowly being taken away from us. The US Government (among others, and individuals) are moving to remove anoniminity from the internet, and are using music piracy as the reason. With the power of the RIAA and the MPAA behind them, they can do almost anything, even if it involves reconstruction of the internet. Another problem is that everyone else is trying to jump on the bandwagon, ISPs looking for a way to make more money, and get rid of the heavy downloaders by emposing caps, in the name of music piracy.

[PYROMANIAC]

Originally posted by Silversinksam
Back in the good old days I used to get 5000/400-800

Now Im lucky to get 1200/128

@Home had thier act together before AT&T and Comcast, COX, Kleiner Perkins etc etc Uprooted and destroyed them. (The above named are all being sued,and they deserve it, ESPECIALLY AT&T)

Please dont tell me its due to line congestion because I know thats not the case in my area...

so your saying cox is getting sued? for what? if this is true im in bliss...i simply do not understand why everywhere else cox is 3000/768 and in texas its 1000/128...thats so ridiculous..why slow the service down here? and they have a monopoly on it in my town..only service available besies verizon dsl which is the same 1000/128 speed..i could go on and on about cox but i just wanted to ask if/why they are getting sued?

[PYROMANIAC]

Originally posted by Pyros
Something for everyone on dial up..........


the reason your pings are 800-1500 isnt because your ul is 128k...my ul is 128k max and i ping around 70 normal. the reason your pings are so high is the lag time between the hops, that is satellites downfall and thats why gaming is impossible

[matt2364]

your guys know that if most of the isps start this capping thing, that it will be the downfall of nearly every peer to peer application, becasue people will have to pay for people uploading from them, and no one is going to pay for someone that they do not know to download music or movies from them.

[Titan386]

My ISP, optimum online, has taken to capping users who they feel use an 'excessive' amount of bandwidth. I'm not complaining, as without the penatly cap, our caps are at 10000/1000 (although its pretty much impossible to ever see that much downstream speed).

They did put something up on their site a while ago, advising users of p2p to stop allowing others to download.

If bandwidth costs keep rising, p2p will suffer, no doubt. You would think, however, that as technology improves, costs will go down. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[JJG]

I don't agree with this at all. There was one important group left out of this article entirely and thats gamers.

And don't whine about broadband being expensive. $50 for 2.1 Meg is a great price considering a 1.5m T1 runs between $400 and $600 a month.


yes but the differnece between cable 2.1Mbs and T1 1.5Mbs is that on the t1 you will see the 1.5Mbs on cable :rolleyes: good luck

[CreePinG_DeatH]

This has to be the biggest bump I have ever seen...

$50 can get you a lot faster speeds than 2.1Mpbs

[cw823]

On a thread from 2002? :confused:

[nasvemos671]

Wow this is crazy, I never thought it would come to this, but oh well, I dont think my isp has a limit on bandwidth *crosses fingers. thanks for the heads up

[RJARRRPCGP]

At my real home, I have what's supposed to be 24 Mbps down and possibly 1 Mbps up.

But, in the usual real world, probably 10 Mbps down and 660 Kbps up.

[JamesXP]

My ISP have capped me down... :( not how much I can download just how much I can download it..

20$ a month 2/200, this is cable, not DSL..

From 4pm-9pm if you download more than 300MB you get 1MB speeds for 5 hours... :(

[FireMogle]

Whoa, this is an old thread.

Anyway the local place in my town charges an account bandwith at cost over xxGB/Mo. I think its fair as this is a collage town and lets face it, collage kids eat bandwith. But thats why I use ATT DSL, no caps. :)

[JJG]

oups :eek:.. i did a search for a post and this came up.. didnt pay attention to the dates :p but i am sure alot of this thread still applies to speed we get and such

[Niku-Sama]

things were different in 2002...i guess...
i mean wasnt the economy better and we werent looking for fake WMDs then right?

oh well i guess if you are stayin on topic no harm done but i didnt think that some of these threads still existed, woulda figured they'da been douched from the system by now