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I was wondering where all the C1's are so I ask some questions in staff meeting today. It seems that the resellers are clearing out their stock of older processors. The Fab I work at is the #1 producer of top bin processors. C1 is the LOWEST stepping being produced there. Our "Boutique" products are E step. So.... the queue should clear of older steppings soon. I hope the new steppings show a big a gain in overclocking as the C1.
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toastedzergling
12-03-02, 11:07 PM
wow, great news, so you are saying there will be better steppings than C1? I thought C1 is the last northy...
Originally posted by toastedzergling
wow, great news, so you are saying there will be better steppings than C1? I thought C1 is the last northy...
No a processor continues to be "stepped" as the process is improved. What gave you that idea?
Tedinde
12-03-02, 11:11 PM
I just got a 2.0 i ordered from googlegear. Had a dam pack date of feb 2002, Musta fell behind a shelf, they found it and sent it to me. *******s. Thing wont clock over 2.3ghz, no matter how many volts or freezing it.
So when will these E stepping chips show up in PCN documents and retail channels? And there will be no D stepping?
Hi Hawk!
>The Fab I work at is the #1 producer of top bin processors.
C1 is the LOWEST stepping being produced there.<
And what is the slowest cpu which is produced at your fab?
I mean if your Fab only makes P4's > 2.4GHZ then it is nothing special that they are all made in C-1 stepping, because most of them only exist as C-1 parts anyway.
So I ask you: Does your fab make low-speed P4's (<=2.26GHZ) with C-1 stepping?
Thanx in advance, XBTC!
Molybdym
12-04-02, 06:45 AM
Are there any specs on the E steps out there? This gives me hope, little, but hope none the less
Originally posted by FIZZ3
So when will these E stepping chips show up in PCN documents and retail channels?
Good question!
The B0 to C1 change was posted in the PCN index back on September 5th. If E-step is in mass-production then why isn't there something about it in the PCN index? I don't doubt what you're saying Hawk but why haven't Intel informed us of the design change?
I hope this E-step will do something to lower the power dissipation of the P4 core. The power dissipation of the 3.06 is getting pretty toasty and next year's 3.2GHz version may need some help in keeping temperatures down.
Any more E-step info for us Hawk? What do you mean by 'boutique' products?
TIA.:)
markodude
12-04-02, 09:37 AM
Bear in mind Hawk has signed an NDA and could lose his job for letting us know "too" much :D
When's ur next ES due hawk? 800FSB??
BTW whats a politial party, ive never been to that sort of party b4!!:rolleyes: ;)
I just got a boxed 1.8A Northwood. Packdate 11/11/02, SL68Q - still bloody B0 stepping. It was only packed by Intel about 3 weeks ago and it's still B0!?! How many of the damn things have Intel still got left then?
Waaaaaah, I wanna C1.:(
AntmanMike
12-04-02, 10:08 AM
When will the E stepping be available on reseller market (and to OEMs)? Will there be low speed E stepping, such as 1.8s, and will they have 100FSB flavours (Northwood-As)?
ol' man
12-04-02, 10:30 AM
Your problems are you keep ordering retail boxes. CHeck out OEM chips. You do not have a 3 year warranty though but the place you buy it through should giv eyou at least 30 days to a year. My OEM PIII 1.4 has a 1 year warranty. I also hit some high numbers on air easily. Once again it is OEM.
OEM chips are going to get used up faster than retails right?
Makes sence that OEM chips are C1's faster.
markodude
12-04-02, 10:33 AM
I reckon there will be no new 400FSB P4's produced, the existing 2.50/400 and 2/60/400 C1 steps are to be phased out. 533 will become the new 400 and 800 will be the new 533 - if you get my drift....
Hawk can prolly answer on the E stepping stuff but I reckon its maybe the stepping after the new 3.2ghz/800??
http://217.178.88.53/32800.jpg
http://217.178.88.53/800.jpg
AntmanMike
12-04-02, 11:12 AM
Good ol' capitalism. A lot of people (there are still a lot of people) still use 400FSB P4 systems. Sucks for us :/. Hawk - When will you be getting an E chip? Please tell us how it performs.
I get 1 per year and i've only had this one 2 or 3 months. Who knows my next chip may be a prescott. ;)
Johnny Knoxville
12-04-02, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Hawk
Who knows my next chip may be a prescott. ;)
with palladium ;)
AntmanMike
12-04-02, 01:38 PM
:o
Originally posted by ol' man
Your problems are you keep ordering retail boxes. CHeck out OEM chips. You do not have a 3 year warranty though but the place you buy it through should giv eyou at least 30 days to a year. My OEM PIII 1.4 has a 1 year warranty. I also hit some high numbers on air easily. Once again it is OEM.
OEM chips are going to get used up faster than retails right?
Makes sence that OEM chips are C1's faster.
some local shops will also let you pick from their trays. My local shop gives a 1 year warranty on everything.
I'm in Japan and I check out 12 or so stores every weekend and I've given up looking for C1s. I think one store had the 2.40b C1 last weekend so I am getting that. But I see a lot of late Oct. pack date 2.0s and 2.53s and they are not C1 yet. Most the 1.8s I've seen (if I can find them at all) were several months old. Maybe the C1s will show up on the Nov. pack dates.
Hawk: Are you not allowed to answer my question due to NDA's or why didn't you answer it?
Originally posted by XBTC
Hawk: Are you not allowed to answer my question due to NDA's or why didn't you answer it?
Sorry I missed your question.
We do make lower speed processors. Also Xeons and Itainiums
mbentley
12-05-02, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by Hawk
I get 1 per year and i've only had this one 2 or 3 months. Who knows my next chip may be a prescott. ;)
i think i could live on 1 per year :D that would be great!
Hawk;
Want to auction your "cast-offs" here??? :D
I'll bet that would generate replies like no tomorrow! :eek:
mbentley
12-05-02, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by arklab
Hawk;
Want to auction your "cast-offs" here??? :D
I'll bet that would generate replies like no tomorrow! :eek:
haha i know i would be in line to get one of those ;) like i could afford a new system anytime soon... i am sure someone else could make more use of an es than i could seeing as i can live without getting every last MHz out of a chip...
Sorry dudes. I am not allowed to sell for 2 years after I get them. Sure you can get a much better chip by then.
mbentley
12-06-02, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Hawk
Sorry dudes. I am not allowed to sell for 2 years after I get them. Sure you can get a much better chip by then.
haha wow, i didn't even know that you could sell those :) i need to find myself a job where i can get computer components like that... hehe maybe i should have stayed in engineering...
haha just kidding... :D i'm never going back to engineering... too many good reasons that i changed majors anyhow.
Originally posted by Molybdym
Are there any specs on the E steps out there? This gives me hope, little, but hope none the less
Is it April 1st already? My how the time flies
Originally posted by Dexx
Is it April 1st already? My how the time flies
???? :confused
s[H]sIkuA
12-08-02, 11:45 PM
he mean april fool
Hawk,do you mean in USA only or other countries?
Johnny Knoxville
12-09-02, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by Dexx
Is it April 1st already?
yeah next week
Well last weekend I even checked out some Nov. pack date 2.40bs and they still ain't C1s here in Japan. They are all SL6EUs, and they are all over. With the yen rate I can get 'em for $194 so I just gotta wait, I guess. Price should drop a bit too.
Originally posted by Clevor
Well last weekend I even checked out some Nov. pack date 2.40bs and they still ain't C1s here in Japan. They are all SL6EUs, and they are all over. With the yen rate I can get 'em for $194 so I just gotta wait, I guess. Price should drop a bit too.
And then there is the Multiple VID C1 revision to wait for too...
Where can one go to find the S-spec's on the muliple vid C1's, or are they not out yet?
Going to a computer show next week and want to be well prepared on what to look for, thanks.
Originally posted by NeoGeo
Where can one go to find the S-spec's on the muliple vid C1's, or are they not out yet?
Going to a computer show next week and want to be well prepared on what to look for, thanks.
I don't think they are out yet. The date mentioned is January 24th.
Anyway, the SSPecs are to be found here:
http://developer.intel.com/design/pcn/Processors/D0102780.pdf
on page 4.
What is the advantage of multiple vid C1s?
Originally posted by Clevor
What is the advantage of multiple vid C1s?
It might be nothing if it's just a trick by Intel to hide the actual VCore so they can improve yields by overvolting. But it can also be a boon if the headroom is somehow 'handed to' the end user who may reap OCing benefits... all conjecture on my part.
Thanks FIZZ3, I'll have to print that table out before I go to the show. Hehehe, no doubt I'll look like a complete geeky moron walking around with my head in that paper :D
Pardon me Mr. Computer Vendor, but do you have an SL6GQ?
Originally posted by NeoGeo
Thanks FIZZ3, I'll have to print that table out before I go to the show. Hehehe, no doubt I'll look like a complete geeky moron walking around with my head in that paper :D
Pardon me Mr. Computer Vendor, but do you have an SL6GQ?
Hehehe no problem & have fun there! =)
Neo_peter
12-11-02, 01:15 AM
If the E stepping is out and manufacturing already, why don't they discontinue the B0,C1, and make the E stepping? I mean the B0 and C1 assembly lines gotta close down sometime... and If they still want to sell a D stepping or something, that would be kinda wierd..
Originally posted by Neo_peter
If the E stepping is out and manufacturing already, why don't they discontinue the B0,C1, and make the E stepping? I mean the B0 and C1 assembly lines gotta close down sometime... and If they still want to sell a D stepping or something, that would be kinda wierd..
Intel is no longer using B0 process. The B0's are still in inventories.
Neo_peter
12-11-02, 12:26 PM
But why are they still manufacturing the C1s, when they got E stepping?
Darryl_D
12-11-02, 01:39 PM
btw hawk what exactly is your job???
AntmanMike
12-11-02, 03:43 PM
Hawk is the @!$#@^%$^# of Intel. He does the #@%$$#^$%&@@$5 and the *^%#*#&.
Industrail Engineering.
Fab layout, Installation design, Fab capacity, Tool capacity analysis, Mechanical design, Safety cop....blah, blah
Were the guys who get the factories up and running and keep them running smoothe.
AntmanMike
12-11-02, 04:02 PM
How many units do you guys put out a day? And why do you use circular silicon wafers? Isn't there a lot of waste from chips that are printed on the edges and have parts missing?
KerryrreK
12-11-02, 05:14 PM
Hawk, how did you get that job, if you dont mind me asking. What degrees do you have and from where? I'd like to do something in computer engineering myself and have no clue where to go or what to do.
Kerry
mbentley
12-11-02, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by KerryrreK
Hawk, how did you get that job, if you dont mind me asking. What degrees do you have and from where? I'd like to do something in computer engineering myself and have no clue where to go or what to do.
Kerry
i just got out of computer engineering at purdue... switching to computer technology... engineering is definitely not my thing... i am not all the innovative... :rolleyes:
Neo_peter
12-11-02, 09:46 PM
Ya, i'm in Computer Engineering myself and wouldn't mind applying to Intel, what are the requirements hawk?
WHOA!
Circular Wafers easier to process than triangles?
Degree Electronics Engineering
Requirements A sharp mind, a degree and some luck I guess
They sought me out. I was working in Charlotte NC at Parsons Infrastructure and Technology Group. I had up an application in with them a year before when I was still in school. They must have dragged my application out of the database somewhere. Made an offer that was hard to say no to. I think a 3.96 GPA might have had something to do with it.
Want a job at Intel I don't think what kind of degree yopu have as not alot of people there do what there degree prepared them for. I am working in Industrail Engineering. The important thing is to be the best at what ever you take in school.
BaldHeadedDork
12-11-02, 11:34 PM
Does Intel still use their infamous "no holds barred" review and evaluation process? I knew some people who worked at the Chandler, Arizona facility and they said the first time they had a review they felt like they had been mugged.
BHD
I think intel's review process is great. It is based on meritocracy so those who contrubute most get higher raises and stock the people who don't, don't get much seems very fair to me. I can see how the lower performers might not like it.
AntmanMike
12-12-02, 06:25 AM
Wouldn't it be easier to have square wafers?
Originally posted by AntmanMike
Wouldn't it be easier to have square wafers?
IIRC a circular wafer has the most surface area and the least perimeter length. The optimal choice AFAIK.
KerryrreK
12-12-02, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Hawk
[B]
Degree Electronics Engineering
Requirements A sharp mind, a degree and some luck I guess
They sought me out. I was working in Charlotte NC at Parsons Infrastructure and Technology Group. I had up an application in with them a year before when I was still in school. They must have dragged my application out of the database somewhere. Made an offer that was hard to say no to. I think a 3.96 GPA might have had something to do with it.
What school were you at? Whats a good computer engineering school? ( I have a few in mind I found in books and on the net, just looking to get a students or graduates point of view)
Kerry
Just to keep this on thread, are the 2.4 C1's still listed as 2.4B's at retailers? Seems like they should be 2.4C's to me.
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