Consoles

[solidsnakexix]

I have been perusing this section latley and have noticed that lots of people will bash consoles because they feel PC games are better. Firstly i agree for the most part pc games are better, however i do not like to see people posting "all console games suck" when someone asks what console games are good. This does not answer their question and is not needed. I have grown up on consoles, i couldnot afford a good computer untill recently, console gaming is pretty good by my standards, they have all the makeings of good games, they have good story, sound sfx, and graphics. Now again i Digress I prefer FPS on a computer but it doesnt stop me from playing one on a console. My second point is how many people here can honestly say they never ever enjoyed playing there nes or atari etc... There are plenty of good games on consoles that just dont make it to computer and often when they do they are dissapointing because all it is is a remake, there is no effort to improve upon the initial copy. This is in no way meant to be a gripe, more of a plea if someone asks "What is better Nintendo GC or PS2?" dont answer with Consoles suck, how would you feel if every question you got was answered with that sucks ot this is better. I guess in short i am asking please if you cant answer the question properly dont.

Respectfully

-solidsnakexix

[MrKillington]

I agree 100%. I have a computer anyway, for other things, so I play comp games and console games. Personally, I find that consoles have more, better games than PCs... but when PCs do get something good, watch out... and PCs obviously rule at MMO stuff too. Just be tolerant of other ideas... ANY gaming is good, in my opinion, it means that games are becoming a more and more viable medium of thought.

[solidsnakexix]

Well said MrKillington good to know i am not the only one who thinks like this.

-solidsnakexix

[DarkArctic]

Well said snake. This should go for the entire forums and not just the Games section. It's a good rule to live by.

-DarkArctic

[solidsnakexix]

I agree, hopefully one day people will post helpful replies only. When i see thes replies that are not appropriate it bugs me, it is almost as though it is a way of climbing through the post count.

-solidsnakexix

[MrKillington]

lol.... it would appear that not many people agree with us.

[Karl04]

i swear, i see posts like these all the time

there is nothing wrong for you to play Vice City and MOH Frontline on PS2 and than have GTA 3 on ur PC and play that

no difference. wish i had PS2, that way i could play Frontline and Vice City

Karl

[james.miller]

its not that people dont agree, its just that this has been said and argued over again, and again, and again.......

were all getting tired of it.

first guy says: what games do you recommend on the ps2
other says: ps2s are crap, get a pc
first guy makes new thread saying: why do people say this?

the best way to deal is to ignore these stupid comments.
anybody grown-up enough know better that to post comments like "consoles are crap".

The fact is, each platform has its pro's and con's, its its own spectacular games, and its own truly diabolical flops.

who cares if all these people seem to be doing it to bump up their post count? let the mods handle it. Thats what they are there for.

dont worry about those people - let it go. Believe me, they are not worth the trouble.

[ZathrothATL]

Well i like the feel up sitting infront of my t.v on the couch instead of sitting in a chair with consoles. I do own some PC games but i like my x-box alot. I like the feel of most sport games on the console.

[KiKaL]

I love PC and I love consoles. Consoles have a differnt type of games. Well for me atleast. I own a gamecube. I mean are you ever going to see Mario on PC or Starfox? Metroid? The new Resident Evils? Eternal Darkness? Zelda? NOWAY!! Thats why I love my gamecube also. It has a differnt type of games compared to the PC. Also the games I listed wouldnt be as nearly as fun with a keyboard instaed of a controller.

[james.miller]

and that is exactly my point. we KNOW that each console has its merits. you really shouldnt even bother with anybody who tells you otherwise.

i love every console i own because they all excel in different areas

[Johnny Knoxville]

Originally posted by james.miller

i love every console i own because they all excel in different areas

like ps2 excelling at crap graphics :D

[james.miller]

ahhh, well. i never said i owned a ps2 lol

[Exiler]

ok, I'm not complaining or anything, I've got a question thats been bugging me for a while, since I don't have any consoles.

How do you play a First Person shooter game with your console?
I mean is your controller as acurate as a mouse? Or do they handicap anything to compensate for it? What about accuracy?

[T20]

Originally posted by Exiler
How do you play a First Person shooter game with your console?
I mean is your controller as acurate as a mouse? Or do they handicap anything to compensate for it? What about accuracy?

Exactly, its all about style. Some people like pikachu, so consoles are for them. But if you like to feed rails to others, then PC's are for you.

Seriously though, consoles are fun for pretty much everything, but FPS/Strategy/Modern RPG games.

I personally play games like Grand Turismo etc on consoles.

[KiKaL]

For FPS you can get pretty damn good at them but not nearly as good as you would on the PC. I still really enjoy playing Timesplitters 2 multi. Probably because its like being at a LAN

[Penguin4x4]

You mean people here are being bashed because they like consoles?

*eyes Duddy*

That not good.

[Needitcooler]

I like my Xbox games way better than my pc games. First off, my Xbox is hooked up to my 57" widescreen HDTV. Second, it is also hooked up to my Paradigm surround sound system. Yah, I know I could hook my computer up to everything, but I hate the controllers that are made for the pc. They suck major.

Xbox rules all other consoles hands down.

[james.miller]

fact is - the tv and the audio system you plug the console into doesnt mean jack. period.

i really couldnt care less what stereo youve got hoocked up because it doesnt alter the console in any way, shape or form.

question: how does that make the x-box better than the ps2?
answer: it doesnt. It has nothing to do with it.

[Needitcooler]

Uhhh.. The tv and audio system don't alter the console in any way? So if I hook my Xbox up to my 21" black and white tv and plug the audio into my walkman it won't be any different than the setup I have now.

I am only saying the Xbox is better technically than any other console. It has a more powerful cpu, gpu, better sound processing, a hard drive, and it can rock your mom's world.

[T20]

Originally posted by james.miller
fact is - the tv and the audio system you plug the console into doesnt mean jack. period.



AHAHAAHAHAHAAA.


AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Thank you, you officially bightenned up my morning. I mean its snowing here, and stuff, I gotta go to work @ 3. But when you read something like this... damn... bro you are funny :D


BTW, If you ever, ever, ever see an audiophile, dont talk to them... lol as a self defence. Might get kicked in a kneecap or something... :p

We went from Coax, to RCA, to S-Video, to Composite (which only X Box has out of all consoles) just for nothing. You are absolutely correct. There is zero improvement in picture quality.


I didnt wanna get invovled, since I dont like consoles much, but Billy really did his homework with the Xbox. I mean it comes with friggin Monster Cables. These are like $49.99 if you buy them seperatly.

PS2 though has the WORST built ever. 3 of my buddies PS2's are dead already. They bought the first GEN ones, and the laser is now dead, it only reads non DVD format (PS1 discs). And lots of other people are having the same problem. You think I am full of crap? Check this out:
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/47455

New laser is $100.

[james.miller]

READ MY POST AGAIN.

we are talking about consoles, notice the title of the thread?.
we are not talking about a/v entertainment systems.

i really couldnt care less what stereo youve got hoocked up because it doesnt alter the console in any way, shape or form.

please, tell show me where i said it would alter your system?

as for you, t20 - this is about the consoles. id like YOU to tell me how monster cables and giant widescreen plasma displays alter the games on a console?

[T20]

Originally posted by james.miller
fact is - the tv and the audio system you plug the console into doesnt mean jack. period.


I read your post again :D

[james.miller]

well? tell me then. how do monster cables effect a console's games? does it magically change the game? add new levels? add a new FSAA mode? well? what?
and when did i say you were full of crap? try READING my posts first

[Needitcooler]

The console isn't a stand alone device. You have to hook it up to something, so yes, whatever A/V system you hook it up to will alter the console, figuratively speaking.

[james.miller]

of course, but then that applies for every console, as well as every pc, that you plug into that system. But that doesnt change the console itself.
This thread, and actually the whole debate is about games, not video or sound ouput quality.

Your argument is bassed on the fact that your x-box is plugged into your (admittedly) great a/v system, while every other console isnt. That is an unfair argument, and i really cant see how that changes the quality of the games themselve's

what happens when they are all plugged into the same a/v system?

T20 : Try reading the original post again, i mean come on, even the first line tells you what this is about:
I have been perusing this section latley and have noticed that lots of people will bash consoles because they feel PC games are better

see its right there, this is about the games.

[T20]

james.miller, Is a PS2 with composite out better than the one that does not have it?


I will make it easy for you, if you have the proper equipment, then HELL YES. Same thing with Xbox, If I have an HDTV, I NEED composite cables, Svideo simply doesnt cut it anymore.

Now, this is true providing ALL ELSE IS CONSTANT.
IMHO Xbox is far better than PS2 hardware wise. Yes games are iffy, but the hardware itself is better. Yes you can say the controller is made for mutants etc etc etc, but All I am saying is that Xbox has better hardware than PS2.

I mean can your PS2 run Win2K ? Didnt think so ;)


Originally posted by james.miller
well? tell me then. how do monster cables effect a console's games? does it magically change the game? add new levels? add a new FSAA mode? well? what?
and when did i say you were full of crap? try READING my posts first
I am not saying that better cables will increase the graffics, no. However, they will help you get the graffics, that you were MENT to have by the game designers. There will be no snow artifacts no nothing. No cable unless its digitall will give you 100% of the intended picture. But a good cable might give you 99% where as the crappy PS2 cables will give you 96%* of the intended picture.


*This number is not actually calculated, but used as a refference to crappy* PS2 cables.




*PS2 Cables are only crappy in my opinion, this is not ment to offend anyone.

[james.miller]

i agree with all your statements about the hardware, the x-box is the most advanced consol out there. But, this has nothing to do with the games. when did i ever talk about this, or state otherwise? i didnt. We are not talking about the hardware side.

I mean can your PS2 run Win2K ? Didnt think so ;)

erm, neither did i. your point is?


to clarify:

yes the x-box is definatly the best-hardware wise. That has never been doubted. And also i agree, the controllers do seem to be talored for mutants (or, at least, really,really big people lol)

Nobody ever said the x-box was inferior hardware-wise. But, then, that isnt what this debate is all about. Its about the games, pure and simple.

my statement still stands
fact is - the tv and the audio system you plug the console into doesnt mean jack. period.
because, other than how the game is "precieved", neither make any actual difference to the game itself.

im sorry if you cant see my point, or if i offended you, but please at least read the first post, it will make sence then, honestly lol

the only example i can think of is this:

dispite the fact that the x-box is the most advanced consol ever built, it still isnt the "best" console.
some older console have some truly amazing games, like perfect dark on the n64,tempest 2000 on the jaguar, or even super mario3 on the snes (not my personal opion as such, but a general one)
these special games are still going to be better than anthing on the x-box, no matter what cables you use to connect to what equipment, because its the games themselves that are well made, not the hardware they are running on.

[T20]

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[Johnny Knoxville]

looking at the games for the xbox, gamecube and ps2, there are very few good games. PS2 is crap the only reason it's been selling so well is that it's been out for ages, it has maybe 10 good games, the rest are crap, and the good games have crap graphics.
xbox has maybe 5 good games at most, gamecube around the same. IMO none of them is worth the money.
The Xbox has the best hardware, that is a fact, followed by gamecube then a big gap with PS2. The xbox controller is too big, unless you are a giant, or have deformed hands :D, the ps2 one feels like you're playing on the super nintendo and the gamecube one is ok after your hand structure changes shape to get used to it. The gamecube looks like it's going to the path of the N64, the PS2 will continue going strong until they release a new console, and the Xbox will stay there too. None of them is perfect, and one way or another they all suck.

<tries to avoid the tomatoes :D>

[kmfdm515]

Consoles will always be worth it to me. I own all 3.

There's just too many games to pass up.

[King Zielke]

of course, but then that applies for every console, as well as every pc, that you plug into that system. But that doesnt change the console itself.
Quote-James miller This thread, and actually the whole debate is about games, not video or sound ouput quality.

Your argument is bassed on the fact that your x-box is plugged into your (admittedly) great a/v system, while every other console isnt. That is an unfair argument, and i really cant see how that changes the quality of the games themselve's

what happens when they are all plugged into the same a/v system?

T20 : Try reading the original post again, i mean come on, even the first line tells you what this is about :
quote:
I have been perusing this section latley and have noticed that lots of people will bash consoles because they feel PC games are better


see its right there, this is about the games.Quote

I have read the initial post and after reading it i find that the post was not intended to say which console is better, or that the games are better. It was intended to Tell people that bashing consoles when somone asks a question about one is not cool. Also you will notice that Solid says no where that he has had a question answered by someone like this, he says he has been reading through here and has noticed it. Personally i agree whole heartadley I think if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything, If someone asks if Vice cit for ps2 is better then gta3 for ps2 dont tell him or her to buy gta3 for pc it doesnt answer the question.

-KingZielke

[james.miller]

yeah i know that. i should have been a little clearer, sorry. i meant that the argument he refered to was about the games. not that it matters anyway, sorry for the confusion

[baqai]

I agree on the fact that one simply can't go around bashing someone for asking for a good game on a ABC console,

personally speaking i like PC for gaming and i think on consoles the only game which are fun are driving and arcade, the rest (FPS,RPG,RTS,Simulators) PC owns them hands down

[bubba gump]

Well, in case any of you people who are syaing the xbox controllers are for mutants, they are all shipped (and have been for i think the past month or 2) With the XBOX S controllers (s meaning smaller). So, it's is sort of hard for some of us to have those big, better in my opinion controller.

I have big hands, so i fumble that damn s controller, and i haven't been able to find the normal ones....i keep hitting the wrong button for Halo ever since my friend got a small controller.....lol

I know there are original xobx controllers out there, they just may be out of stock every time i go :|

[OC Noob]

Originally posted by solidsnakexix
I have been perusing this section latley and have noticed that lots of people will bash consoles because they feel PC games are better. Firstly i agree for the most part pc games are better, however i do not like to see people posting "all console games suck" when someone asks what console games are good. This does not answer their question and is not needed. I have grown up on consoles, i couldnot afford a good computer untill recently, console gaming is pretty good by my standards, they have all the makeings of good games, they have good story, sound sfx, and graphics. Now again i Digress I prefer FPS on a computer but it doesnt stop me from playing one on a console. My second point is how many people here can honestly say they never ever enjoyed playing there nes or atari etc... There are plenty of good games on consoles that just dont make it to computer and often when they do they are dissapointing because all it is is a remake, there is no effort to improve upon the initial copy. This is in no way meant to be a gripe, more of a plea if someone asks "What is better Nintendo GC or PS2?" dont answer with Consoles suck, how would you feel if every question you got was answered with that sucks ot this is better. I guess in short i am asking please if you cant answer the question properly dont.

Respectfully

-solidsnakexix


I agree completely. I've seen tons of people on other forums who think because they play PC games instead of console games their IQ is higher. Its pretty pathetic.

I don't care how many people you have at a lan, theres nothing like kicking your friends butts at Madden on the good old console:p

[solidsnakexix]

I am glad that so many people agree, I personally believe that everyone is entitled tho their own opinion, but they are not entitled to try and force that opinion on others, It is okay to voice your opinion but there is an appropriate time to do so, and if everyone looked before they lept so to speak, there would be fewer toes stepped on.

-solidsnakexix

[KiKaL]

Just want to point out...umm gamecube does have component cables....They've had them since day once. Hell monster cable's even makes some. Also umm Gamecube taking n64s path? Umm No actually Gamecube has lately been beating x-box in sales. Also nintendo is selling more consoles then ever because consoles are becomming more mainstream and more people have them.

[james.miller]

a good deal of it is down to easy-of-use. the reason so many peple have consoles is because you can just pop in a game and go. Something you definatly CAN'T do with pc's. lol

[Falcon-K]

Originally posted by Johnny Knoxville
looking at the games for the xbox, gamecube and ps2, there are very few good games. PS2 is crap the only reason it's been selling so well is that it's been out for ages, it has maybe 10 good games, the rest are crap, and the good games have crap graphics.

i think everyone can agree that MGS:2 does not look crappy and nor does gran turismo 3. I dont really see a huge difference graphically between many of the games on PS2, GC, XBOX or PC, iv seen some really pretty ones for all of them and iv see some really god awful games that u wonder if they were porting it from the sega saturn or something. Good games are good games...why cant everyone let their bias opinions rest?

[Karl04]

Originally posted by james.miller
a good deal of it is down to easy-of-use. the reason so many peple have consoles is because you can just pop in a game and go. Something you definatly CAN'T do with pc's. lol


When i come to a store to buy a new PC game, i quicky look at the buttom of the box for the system requirements. and thats what i do

Karl

[james.miller]

what? whats that got to do with what i said lol? im talking about ease of use.

think about it, how many adults are gonna buy their kids a pc when even THEY dont know how to use it? not many lol. so they buy consols, which , conveniantly, are also cheaper.

[Jerky]

Originally posted by solidsnakexix
I have been perusing this section latley and have noticed that lots of people will bash consoles because they feel PC games are better. Firstly i agree for the most part pc games are better, however i do not like to see people posting "all console games suck" when someone asks what console games are good. This does not answer their question and is not needed. I have grown up on consoles, i couldnot afford a good computer untill recently, console gaming is pretty good by my standards, they have all the makeings of good games, they have good story, sound sfx, and graphics. Now again i Digress I prefer FPS on a computer but it doesnt stop me from playing one on a console. My second point is how many people here can honestly say they never ever enjoyed playing there nes or atari etc... There are plenty of good games on consoles that just dont make it to computer and often when they do they are dissapointing because all it is is a remake, there is no effort to improve upon the initial copy. This is in no way meant to be a gripe, more of a plea if someone asks "What is better Nintendo GC or PS2?" dont answer with Consoles suck, how would you feel if every question you got was answered with that sucks ot this is better. I guess in short i am asking please if you cant answer the question properly dont.

Respectfully

-solidsnakexix well i loved the dreamcast, that console was awesome! and i own a xbox (and think it pretty much sucks) and i think that all the new consoles suck.. except the dreamcast, but they don't make it anymore.

the only console i'm thinking of getting is the gamecube because it has resident evil remakes on it. as for consoles in genreal (the g.c. the ps2 and xbox) i just think they're trying to make games to visually enhanced and not putting any fun factor into them like they used to. plus the games are way overpriced and not long enough to warrant the spending of $50.00.
i mean for roughly thirty dollars i could buy a game at newegg.com for pc, play it for 1 to 3 years straight (rtcw, half life, quake3, etc...) and get everything i could ever want from a game for 30 dollars, never get tired of playing it, and always have a unlimited replayability, compared to buying "hunter the reckoning" for xbox and play it for 1 week, beat it in 2 days and never want to play it again.
so to me, consoles are a ripoff in todays gaming world, and sorry but they do suck. as the old saying goes... "once with pc, you never go back."
;)

[OC Noob]

Originally posted by james.miller
what? whats that got to do with what i said lol? im talking about ease of use.

think about it, how many adults are gonna buy their kids a pc when even THEY dont know how to use it? not many lol. so they buy consols, which , conveniantly, are also cheaper.


Thats a great point.

A lot of people are afraid to install a program. I think those types of people would much rather buy a console game for their kids and not have to worry about installing it, compatability issues or DLing and installing patches.

[Jerky]

Originally posted by james.miller
what? whats that got to do with what i said lol? im talking about ease of use.

think about it, how many adults are gonna buy their kids a pc when even THEY dont know how to use it? not many lol. so they buy consols, which , conveniantly, are also cheaper. i think they wouldn't buy a pc for their kid to game on just because it's so much more of an expensive piece(s) of machienery. but i still think and always will think that 40 to 50 dollars for a console game that only has 1 to 2 weeks life in terms of playability and replay value is just straight baloney. :mad:

[Falcon-K]

plus another thing is most parents dont know if the game is going to run on it or not..if they even know how to install something. does my mom have the slightest clue what the difference between 512MB required compared to 32MB besides a number? nope and i think that many parents are the same way

[james.miller]

....exactly. so they buy the latest console. and whats happens when their kid's friends see it?

[Kid Payne]

I'm buying a GC....for my nephew....a silver one is the one he wants....you don't like it, then buck up buddy!!! :D :D

[solidsnakexix]

MY point isnt that anything sucks, you are entitled to your opinion. I must also note that i get tired with games sometimes too, but oneday i will be bored and say "i wanna play that game" it is for this very reason that i still have every console i have ever owned. Because there will always be raqiny days when you just want to play something old. Also of note i plan on getting a cube for the New RE games as well, my bro has one and they are both great.

-solidnakexix

[james.miller]

yeah i still got all of my consoles (mega-drive, snes, mega-cd,psx,n64,saturn). mind you i dont use any of them now that i have emulators:D

[OC Noob]

$40-$50 a game is the way it has always been. Since the Atari 2600 atleast. I doubt this will ever change. You can still pick up used games and older ones for much cheaper then $50. I read an article about GTA:VC where Rockstar North (can't remeber who) said the GTA3 sells for $50 and sells so well they don't need to lower the price. These things aren't sold for $50 because of pirated software or production costs. They have big money accountants calculating what price people are willing to pay so they hit the sweet spot where they sell a lot of copies at the highest price that the majority of people are willing to pay so they can maximize profits. I think $50 is too much for a game and rarely pay it, but its really our fault (as consumers) for being willing to pay that much for a game.

[james.miller]

i remember when i brought ZOOP for the mega-drive (AKA genisis)

i got it second hand, but new, it was £70!!!!!!!

[Kid Payne]

I agree. $49.99 is way too overpriced. But what can we do?

I've been the sole supplier of games to my nephew since the first nintendo, and I've payed outrageous prices for the dozens of games I've bought for him from nintendo to PS2. Now the younger one is getting a Gamecube with at least 1 game for starters. It hurts me to buy a game for 50 bucks for myself, but as long as it's for my nephews, I'll spend the money.

[NotHisTechiness]

after reading through all these posts some interesting arguements:

1. graphics should not really pose any relevance on if a game is good or not. yes, it's always nice to look at that beautiful eye candy but in no way does it truly affect the game play. look at pong, you have lines and a ball but it's still a great game to play against people or the computer itself. also, look at the nes system with it's 8 bit graphics. some of the best games came from the nes and i would love to still play mine if my nes still worked. :(

2. neither system sucks because each system (console or pc) has very different games which caters to very different tastes out there. i am a big rpg fan which is why i own a ps2 and the gamecube catches my eye; the pc will rarely have the same games like the ps2 in fun loving rpgs such as resident evil or the final fanatsy series. even should the day come when console games are ported to pc, it is years later. mind you the pc still has great rpgs like baldur's game or ragnaroks online but once again those do cater to a different taste aside from final fantasys and such.

3. hardware seems to be a big issue amongst console vs pc people and all i really have to say is how much did you spend for your pc as opposed to that console? my ti4600 alone cost me more than my ps2 and i bought my ps2 when it first came out. so, naturally any game on my pc will out perform any console game i buy.

my 2 cents

[solidsnakexix]

Originally posted by NotHisTechiness
after reading through all these posts some interesting arguements:

1. graphics should not really pose any relevance on if a game is good or not. yes, it's always nice to look at that beautiful eye candy but in no way does it truly affect the game play. look at pong, you have lines and a ball but it's still a great game to play against people or the computer itself. also, look at the nes system with it's 8 bit graphics. some of the best games came from the nes and i would love to still play mine if my nes still worked. :(

2. neither system sucks because each system (console or pc) has very different games which caters to very different tastes out there. i am a big rpg fan which is why i own a ps2 and the gamecube catches my eye; the pc will rarely have the same games like the ps2 in fun loving rpgs such as resident evil or the final fanatsy series. even should the day come when console games are ported to pc, it is years later. mind you the pc still has great rpgs like baldur's game or ragnaroks online but once again those do cater to a different taste aside from final fantasys and such.

3. hardware seems to be a big issue amongst console vs pc people and all i really have to say is how much did you spend for your pc as opposed to that console? my ti4600 alone cost me more than my ps2 and i bought my ps2 when it first came out. so, naturally any game on my pc will out perform any console game i buy.

my 2 cents

Well said :clap: :clap: :clap: I couldn thave put it better. You raise very good points in your statments, and if more people thought about stuff in this way we wouldnt hear about "THIS SUCKS....ETC". I applaude you for your speech.

-solidsnakexix