View Full Version : TualCeleron 1,46 GHz as good as ?
with which cpu can it be compared ?
are 7300 3D Marks with an ATI 8500 ( 275/275 ) normal ?
6502kid
12-06-02, 04:28 PM
You can compare it to anything ! Moo.
Seriously, it should be running CPU benches about as fast
as an XP1600 or P4 2gig....
Your 3dmark score is about what I get with a GF3Ti200 (210/530)
in either of my systems. A couple hundred higher even....
What chip is it again? I forgot. The 1.1a @ 1320 i had before with an 8500 @ 281/324 gets about the same.
The link is here.
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=5092210
With the 8500 at 250/275(stock), I got 7061 3dmarks.
If the fsb is anything over 120mhz I think you could do a little better.
That score is about right. My 1.0a@1.38 scores 7512 with 8500LE @ 275/275. You have higher GHz but I have higher FSB.
here my Benchmark: http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=5261269 Board is Via Apol. 133 A, 4Bank interleave on, RAM 2-2-2
i know a guy who got an TualCeli 1 @ 1,4 ( FSB 140 ), ATI Radeion LE ( 297 / 297 oc ), ABIT BX Board and got 8200 Points :eek:
..............what multiplier are you using?
okay i see now. You also have agp 2x enabled.
With my 1.1a @ 120fsb and everything the same except video card, I got 100 less pts than you. I would think the extra 140mhz and faster fsb would be worth way more than 50mhz in video card memory speed.
funnyperson1
12-07-02, 03:43 PM
yeah that seems on target for that speed, but you can get higher :)...my rig has gone up tp 8484 3dmarks....with some cas2 ram i could get 86-8800.....
funny what's your System ?
Darkseid
12-07-02, 06:51 PM
it seems right to me
Seems right and for reference this is mine from a
P4 1.4ghz willy, 384ram and Ti4200
everything stock
8313 3D marks
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4362935
funnyperson1
12-07-02, 09:00 PM
eh, sorry forgot i took it out of my sig lol
My System Specs (http://asohangh.topcities.com/system.html)
I got my modded 1ghz celeron A to work with my mobo but when I run 3Dmark 2k1, I only get 5300 points. Could this be due to the fact that I had to set the "cpu hardwired IOQ" to1 instead of 4 to get the system to boot. Is there a way to fix this performance drop.
I tested a 733mhz p3 with the setting at 1 and it was about 20% slower than when the setting was at 4. :(
Abit vl6 mobo
Radeon 8500le-64mb@250/250
256mb pc133
celeron 1ghz@1.4ghz
Some of your guys scores seem a little exhagerated to me, what tests are you running? I have checked to see what the highest scores are with a Celeron between 1.0 gig to 1.6 gig and the highest score is only around 7200 3dmarks. I have taken the system in my sig and run it as fast and ragged as it can go and gotten the high score of around 6700. That is with cas2 ram, and my vid card close to as fast as it can go. I know that I dont have the best OC'ing video video card though. I will go and check to see what kind of scores that the Radeon 8500's are getting with Tualatin's and get back to this post. Because if they are that much better I will be getting one for myself. :D
Looks like I may start shopping for a Radeon 8500. They are getting scores of over 8000 3dmarks with a similar system as mine.
Yea, I was going to say. It seems alot of people with the tualatins also have 8500s. I think its because they both have the most value over any other video card or cpu.
But yea. The tualeron w/ 8500 scores are getting pretty high. When i recieve my BX-133 I expect my tB1 1.2 to reach 140fsb and my score to be close to 8500 or 9000. Thats also with cas2 memory.
BTW, back when i got my 8500 like near june, the best deal was a 250/275 card with 3.3ns memory at newegg. Back then it was around $90. Stock i got the memory to 324 and core to 281. I think thats pretty good. It was labeled as "builtbyati bulk". Read the reviews for the cards and you will see everyone else got the card with 3.3ns memory. See if they still have this card. Its not likely, but maybe.
mateo88
12-08-02, 03:02 AM
I've got a 1.1 Tually at 142 fsb with a ti4200 at 603/312, and I got 9500 3dmarks!:eek: The memory timings are 7,9-2-3-2. When I get a watercooled rig I can hopefully reach 145 or 150 fsb...:cool:
Thanks, funnyperson:)
funnyperson1
12-08-02, 03:30 AM
mateo, click the edit button, you can delet one of them...
Originally posted by mateo88
I've got a 1.1 Tually at 142 fsb with a ti4200 at 603/312, and I got 9500 3dmarks!:eek: The memory timings are 7,9-2-3-2. When I get a watercooled rig I can hopefully reach 145 or 150 fsb...:cool:
Thanks, funnyperson:)
this is normal, because an GF 4200 is always 20% fasten than an ATI 8500, furthermore your FSB is about 10 MHz higher
it seems to me, that my low scores, are caused by the Via Apollo Pro 133 A Chipset. Because another guy have almost the same system as me, but only an BX-Board have 8200 Points..
mateo88
12-08-02, 04:07 AM
The chipset may very well be the cause. It seems the memory bandwidth isn't as good on those as it is on intel chipsets. A previous motherboard I had befor my Tusl2-c had teh apollo pro 133, and the bandwidth was only like 2/3 of what it is now.
The bx is better than the via apollo chipset but there is no way the mem bandwidth is 1/3 better. And a 3dmark score wouldnt be 900 pts more.
james.miller
12-08-02, 04:58 AM
you guys are lucky. with my gf4 440mx im stuck at 6000points with my athlon 1800+
isn't let Ben Stiller in Zoolander with his l'tigre look :D
btw: GF MX isn't an DX 8 Card, so you cannot run the Nature Bench-> low Score
james.miller
12-08-02, 05:29 AM
i know. that and its slower than the 8500.
why did you get an mx card? sorry for all the questions, lol.
a via cpu and an mx card would be a pretty nasty combo, haha.
james.miller
12-08-02, 06:32 AM
what? well why would i get anything more than a gf2 mx for a via c3?
tell me whats a more sensible match to the via c3: a gf2 or a gf4 ti4200? exactly.
and, anyway, i was talking about my gf4 440mx in my amd system - like i said above.
and, if you want to know why i have a gf4 440mx - its a leftover from my old pII system - it will be replaced soon.
oh i didnt even see you actually had an mx for your c3 rig, thats kinda funny. Sorry for the flaming. Your xp 1800+ would kick my cpus ass anyway.
But as long as i know you didnt buy the gf4mx card for youer 1800+ purposely, or whatever. I think an 8500 is the same or less than that.
james.miller
12-08-02, 06:46 AM
its cheaper than the mx - but it wasnt even released when i brought mine
Originally posted by Taisho
with which cpu can it be compared ?
are 7300 3D Marks with an ATI 8500 ( 275/275 ) normal ?
hi,
see my benchies for the cel-t's.
cel-t 1100@1562 (http://www.rio71.de/bench/1100@1562/Piclist.htm)
cel-t 1300@1638 (http://www.rio71.de/bench/1300@1638/Piclist.htm)
well, that must be in the uk then. Im pretty sure the 8500 came out inbetween the gf3 and gf4's
funnyperson1
12-08-02, 04:10 PM
im pretty sure the 8500 came out a long time before the Geforce4 MXs were out
james.miller
12-08-02, 04:15 PM
they may well have - but i didnt see em. i brought it a good deal before i really knew anything about pc components. all i knew wa what i read in pc magazines (which were alway at least 6 months behind). and the gf4 440mx was the only 'decent' card i could get hold of at the time.
okay, i forgive you for your purchase. thats a good enough excuse. lol.
As for his original question though, the cpu that I have (1.1@1.466) benches in sandra in most tests about the same as a 1.6 athlon. It does really great in all tests until you throw memory tests at it and then it gets creamed by the ddr and better memory scores.
my Sandra Benches:
CPU Bench: ALU 3991 / FPU 1943
Multimedia: Integer 7700 / floating 9343
Memory: 1010 / 1001
3D Marks ~ 7300 Points
PC Mark 2002: CPU 3640 / Memory 2118 / HDD 616
@ TUK101
what Scores do you get ? plz reply
james.miller
12-09-02, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by advanR
okay, i forgive you for your purchase. thats a good enough excuse. lol.
thankyou lol.
needless to say - that was probably the biggest mistake ive ever made (well - pc wise)
6502kid
12-09-02, 03:45 PM
Taisho,
I aint going to post no numbers, because the ones you
got look like they was run on the 1.1a in my sig.
Almost exactly.....
funnyperson1
12-09-02, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by TUK101
As for his original question though, the cpu that I have (1.1@1.466) benches in sandra in most tests about the same as a 1.6 athlon. It does really great in all tests until you throw memory tests at it and then it gets creamed by the ddr and better memory scores.
you mean the 1600+ right? thats 1.4ghz....i cant hold a candle to any 1.6ghz athlon at 1.46 lol...
i just downloaded SiSoftSandra 2003, they integrated a new benchmark: -> Cache & CPU Benchmark
My Maximal Memory Bandwith is 1064.
Can someone also bench this, if he has got an Tualatin ?
My Multimedia Bench is now: 7662 / 9614
the CPU Bench: 3913 / 2136
ol' man
12-10-02, 11:10 AM
I got around 9700 with 1.7GHz PIII-s tualatin and radeon 8500 @ 320/320. I would imagine with a ti4200 I could break 10k.
Originally posted by ol' man
I got around 9700 with 1.7GHz PIII-s tualatin and radeon 8500 @ 320/320. I would imagine with a ti4200 I could break 10k.
yes, easy.
the gf4200 scaled werry well with PIII-S clock-speed.
ol' man
12-10-02, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Rio71
yes, easy.
the gf4200 scaled werry well with PIII-S clock-speed.
Holy smokes bro you are running 42MHz PCI:eek:
I guess I am running around 40.5.
Do you have a tB1?
ol' man
12-10-02, 07:49 PM
I just checked and you still have the tA1. These are nice chips!
I got your OEM counter part a SL5XL
Checking prices I see that the 1.4GHz chips are still more than $200. I only paid $225 6 months ago. Axiontech made a mistake and posted them $100 less than they were supposed to be. Soon after I ordered they had retial PIII-s up and you could no longer order the OEM 1.4's. The retails at axion were then around $350 at the time.
hi,
yes, 42 pci is easy.
i have testet my sys up to 49 pci with 3:3:1 divisor, stable! :eek:
first lean rig, than full rig.
here (http://www.tualatin.de/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1104) is my test (in german), see also the pic's of setfsb.
(translated (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tualatin.de%2Fphpbb% 2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D1104&lp=de_en&tt=url))
but damn, killed my st6 days ago. i broke one nose from the socket... the cooling fails.
i have reactivate my (modded) tusl2-c yet.
1400@1750 1.55v... i must changed my sig. (and post it in the sigg-tread).
i know your story with oem PIII-S 1400, i watched it.
this was lucky.
in germany the PIII-S 1400 are also very pricey.
pay 278 € (280$), but great chip.
i've until today never see a tb1 PIII-S. :(
ol' man
12-11-02, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Rio71
hi,
yes, 42 pci is easy.
i have testet my sys up to 49 pci with 3:3:1 divisor, stable! :eek:
first lean rig, than full rig.
here (http://www.tualatin.de/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1104) is my test (in german), see also the pic's of setfsb.
(translated (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tualatin.de%2Fphpbb% 2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D1104&lp=de_en&tt=url))
but damn, killed my st6 days ago. i broke one nose from the socket... the cooling fails.
i have reactivate my (modded) tusl2-c yet.
1400@1750 1.55v... i must changed my sig. (and post it in the sigg-tread).
i know your story with oem PIII-S 1400, i watched it.
this was lucky.
in germany the PIII-S 1400 are also very pricey.
pay 278 € (280$), but great chip.
i've until today never see a tb1 PIII-S. :(
If you have a old slocket or mobo laying around you can solder that into your broken slocket. Honestly I have a few old MSI sock 370 mobo's with perfectly fine sockets and lugs. Mobo's are toast though. If you want I could heat up the back side and pull of the socket for ya and send it to you. Maybe you have it but if not let me know. My tusl2 did not work well above a certain FSB.
Wanted to add I too have ran my ST6 at 191fsb/48MHz PCI.
wow great, thanks!
but i have the st6 selling, on the way to a forum-member in ger.
my tusl2 has only pci-instability between 126 and 133 fsb (befor 1:4 pci divider)
but this are also 42-44MHz pci.
thanks again.
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