faster than geforce FX and radeon 9700?...

[ssprncvegeta]

i heard this stuff about a ATI radeon 9900 pro to come out the same time as the geforce FX, and another ATI card coming out next year a R300 something:eek: :eek: :

wtf, so clueless

and if they do come out, will they be $500+, or bring down the GF FX and 9700 pro down?

[Morbid]

There will always be something better in the works. It's just a question of when and how much. I don't keep up with ATi much, but i'm sure they're dying to get something out to one-up nVidia on their NV30.

[method().man]

Supposedly, R350 is planned to compete with NV30 and according to ATi, will be significantly faster than the current 9700 Pro. Of course, we don't have any concrete numbers yet (hell, we don't even know how fast GF FX is).

As far as the price point goes, I seriously doubt either Nvidia or ATi will attempt to release a card at the $500 price range. That is simply too expensive for all but the wealthiest of computer enthusiaists. As we are already seeing, people have a lot of difficulty swallowing the $350 price point of a 9700 pro despite its superior performance. I simply can't see a viable business plan with releasing a card that is so expensive unless it can provide a completely revolutionary level of performance (say around 70-100%). Considering the performance trends in the past 5 years, this level of improvement is highly unlikely from either company.

[Karl04]

yeah, that is how you can get FX for 150 bucks hehe. instead of like some one will be buying it for 400 or so.

look it at this way, i remember walking into Electronics Botique and they had the Geforce 3 TI 500 and it costed like 348 dolars. i was "dude, thats bad ass" and now i own TI200 and only paid 120 dolars for it. only difference the clock speeds.

Radeon 9900 will be very fast if thats what they claim or whatever. What will eventually happen is that we'll be having games that will look like animated movies like Shrek or Monsters Inc. etc. so that would be asome. and this fast new processors and memory and harddrives and graphic cards will bring "us" as a society to own a piece of hardware that will make our games look like movies.

having the best looking realistic graphics, man oh man cant wait when they release new Medal of honor game in 2010 or later. what will it look like? probably very realistic

of course it would never look like a real thing

Karl

[Ghost68]

thats kinda funny.... you wont see a top of the line(the ones that come out first) geforcefx for less than $350 until well into next year... i dont care what ati comes out with just because a competitor has a better product does that meen they will start selling at less than cost to them they will always price their best the highest... now as far as realistic graphics realism will really start to come into play when directx 9 finally shows up and get better as ati and nvidia fight hehe you will start seeing super relism games in 2004

[ssprncvegeta]

well what i heard was that the 9.1 has abesolutely no compatibility with the geforce FX and 9700 pro nvidia and ATI so highly regard as the highest authority of gaming realism. while it is just a less buggy version(tiny, tiny errors are fixed) in the 9.0 to 9.1, frame rates and etc. will rise at leaast 5%, which is always welcome.

i remember when a top of the line card cost less than $200...that was a while ago...now it's in the $500's? and the parhelia with 256mb of 256bit memory in the $550's....thats BS...and 3DLabs with their own at $600 for "home users"...lmao, i wouldnt have a home if i paid that much for a card just to get fast framerates and "reliability"....for $600+, it should make itself faster as time goes by...LOL

anyways, while lots of hype is about DOOMIII and the cards that are supposebly suppose to run it at smooth rates, what is the FASTEST, most EXPENSIVE card someone, like me, should get, considering that they, meaning me, can wait till prices drop, but only till january/febuary.

i keep seeing the geforce4 ti 4200 still being regarded as fast speeds, but for how much longer. i've seen it clocked at over 600mhz, why not make the ti4600 faster? has the ti4200 passed the ti4600?...

as long as it's compatible with AGP4X, has at elast 128mb(which they all do nowadays), and UNDER $350, i'll nab it with whatever work money i got left over.

i kept hearing for a while that the GF ti4600 was faster than the radeon 9700pro for a while, i guess new drivers fixed that up, but then they said the 9700pro has some insane amount of bandwidth around 250gigabytes per second(gbps) and the GF FX was only at 40gbps...if so (damn liers) why wouldnt they bother to make a new card for another 2-3 years?

bah, i shud shutup now or else no one will read this(though prolly no one gives a shhhhhhhhhizam!

[GosuWar]

Fools, Nv30 is going to rock the r350... that is if ATI has the balls to compete it with nv30.

And no card will come out at 499 dollars even though that's what they SHOULD make it. most likely 399 for nv30

[DaddyB]

Originally posted by GosuWar
Fools, Nv30 is going to rock the r350...


LOL funny stuff.

[quegyboe]

Fools, Nv30 is going to rock the r350...
Now children, this is what we call a purebred nvidiot. I have heard that the R350 is supposed to be a MAXX version of the R300. That means dual GPU's and 256MB of ram! :drool:

[Karl04]

Originally posted by quegyboe

Now children, this is what we call a purebred nvidiot. I have heard that the R350 is supposed to be a MAXX version of the R300. That means dual GPU's and 256MB of ram! :drool:

I can only think how fast that would be. dual gpus and 256mb of ram. thats pretty freaking asome

Karl

[KerryrreK]

Originally posted by Karl04
Radeon 9900 will be very fast if thats what they claim or whatever. What will eventually happen is that we'll be having games that will look like animated movies like Shrek or Monsters Inc. etc. so that would be asome. and this fast new processors and memory and harddrives and graphic cards will bring "us" as a society to own a piece of hardware that will make our games look like movies.

having the best looking realistic graphics, man oh man cant wait when they release new Medal of honor game in 2010 or later. what will it look like? probably very realistic

of course it would never look like a real thing

Karl [/B]

Actually, they could already make games with insane quality, BUT, they have to tailor every game made to ALL users, even ones who dont have a GeForce 4 or ATI 9700. Most of your newest games will run on a vodoo PCI card for instance at some setting or another, my friend has the AGP version and he playes the newest Unreal! Games could be made that looked like movies, but they would only sell to a small market and have A LOT of RMA's from disgruntled users!

Kerry

[incorporeal]

Is it really worth the cost it'll prolly be?

I've been runnin one seriously old card for quite a while and it still performs for me.

[ssprncvegeta]

ya, i just wanna get in at the fastest speed i can, b/c the computer industry doesnt wait for you to get tired of the game's that came out the same year, games will always crunch more and more PCU and GPU and more RAM. those are the 3 main components to a good computer, then a mobo to hold that l33t GPU and cooling/sink fans to make sure it doesnt explode and take your feet with it(presuming u have the PC near your feet, the face/upper chest will be blown off if on desk with monitor)(j/k)

that double/dual thingermerbobba(j/k) sounds sweet as hell, i'm sure that'll make anyone jealous, even if the NV30 is faster...TWO GPUS!!!! AHHHHHH I WANT ONE!!!

btw, i have 3 ATIs:
Radeon(first kind i guess) 32mb sdram
Radeon 7500 64mb ddr
Radeon 8500LE

i'm a ATI USER, not babish fan, and never had a prob

[Overclocker550]

I heard the Geforce FX will cost $599! and never heard a thing about the radeon 9900!

[ssprncvegeta]

$599 for the FX...LOL. yea right, i'll have that with a free 3ghz CPU and 2gb DDR 400mhz.

[mage_x]

gpus are a lot more complex than todays cpus, i dont see why you guys are complaining about it being 400-500 dollars because you pay that much for the best current cpu

[ssprncvegeta]

yea, but even with the GF4s still getting high frame rates, the only thing theyre really trying on is new things like advanced vertex lighting and etc.

i dont see why they're NOT getting cheaper. they make u pay all this money for a card that's not going to support 9.1, they totally blow off the fact that it cant support the version with most small errors fixed, which bring faster frame rates, which we always want, thats why we pay $400 for a card....right?

$700 is insane, i would never pay that much, $400 max. thats why i wait untill theres about 200mhz faster on another one and it goes down $200, thats pretty damn amazing considering they KNOW theyre outdating themselves and price slash more than 25% each time a newer one or set comes out.

anyways, the memory is fine where it is, though DDR-2 shud bring DDR-1 down a tad, or just be more....
CPU is fine as long as 2nd fastest is $400 or less.
video cards? LOL, shud be $350 max!!!!!!!!!
fans, heatsinks, etc. are fine as they are.
speakers are a tad expenisve...
but the sound cards could come down from the max $200 to $150 and i'll be uber happy

[PhobMX]

Originally posted by ssprncvegeta
yea, but even with the GF4s still getting high frame rates, the only thing theyre really trying on is new things like advanced vertex lighting and etc.

i dont see why they're NOT getting cheaper. they make u pay all this money for a card that's not going to support 9.1, they totally blow off the fact that it cant support the version with most small errors fixed, which bring faster frame rates, which we always want, thats why we pay $400 for a card....right?

$700 is insane, i would never pay that much, $400 max. thats why i wait untill theres about 200mhz faster on another one and it goes down $200, thats pretty damn amazing considering they KNOW theyre outdating themselves and price slash more than 25% each time a newer one or set comes out.

anyways, the memory is fine where it is, though DDR-2 shud bring DDR-1 down a tad, or just be more....
CPU is fine as long as 2nd fastest is $400 or less.
video cards? LOL, shud be $350 max!!!!!!!!!
fans, heatsinks, etc. are fine as they are.
speakers are a tad expenisve...
but the sound cards could come down from the max $200 to $150 and i'll be uber happy

ill personaly wont ever pay more than $200 for a single component, and im just about to get a corsar pc3200 cas2 512mb which i think is overpriced, but what the heck...

[Karl04]

yeah but thats RAM, not a vid card. plus thats a good ram from good place ya know

Karl

[Overclocker550]

if you are a millionare, $700 becomes a bargin :D

[PhobMX]

Originally posted by Karl04
yeah but thats RAM, not a vid card. plus thats a good ram from good place ya know

Karl

i learned the hard way, bought a gf3 in its very release for $320, a year after it was already powned and little after that it died :(

[Goodie]

Hahaha, you guys complain about a $350 card. I live in Canada and cards cost me like $500+ :( The weird this is that ATI is in Southeren Ontario Canada and it's only like 7 hours away by car and their cards are still about $600 or more here. :(

[EyelessFace]

Originally posted by quegyboe

Now children, this is what we call a purebred nvidiot. I have heard that the R350 is supposed to be a MAXX version of the R300. That means dual GPU's and 256MB of ram! :drool:

And Im sure youll need a nice 700 Watt powersupply just to run that card...

[JCLW]

Originally posted by Goodie
Hahaha, you guys complain about a $350 card. I live in Canada and cards cost me like $500+ :( The weird this is that ATI is in Southeren Ontario Canada and it's only like 7 hours away by car and their cards are still about $600 or more here. :(
I know how you feel, but remember they're all made in Taiwan.

Originally posted by quegyboe
I have heard that the R350 is supposed to be a MAXX version of the R300. That means dual GPU's and 256MB of ram!
The R350 will not be dual GPU. But it will be DDRII. Someone could build a 256mb version - even the current R300 supports 256mb. The FireGL version of the R300 is available with 256mb.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6661
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1039657263

How fast will it be? Maybe something like this (http://www.xbitlabs.com/video/radeon9700pro-overclocking/).

- JW

[TheGame240]

Originally posted by mage_x
gpus are a lot more complex than todays cpus, i dont see why you guys are complaining about it being 400-500 dollars because you pay that much for the best current cpu

I don't pay that. Not any more at least. I remember paying ~$100 for a K6III 450 and $250 for a TNT2 Ultra. Of course you'd be luck to give either one of those away (actually, I did) now. What has happened in the past year is a huge boom in the hardware industry and little advancement in the software.

I used my GF2 until about a month ago. Then I bought Combat Flight Sim III and it lagged bad enough to force a new card (first game to do that, not even UT2003 did), so I bought a 4200 for $150. I'll use it, probably through the "FX generation" until another game forces a new card. The upgrades I'm more concerned about now are DVD burners, voice reconigition (sp?), 3D monitors, etc. Maybe a bigger HD if I have to get it, but if I don't then all the better.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that while the hardware is great, it's not $500 worth of great. Maybe $300 if there are games to push it (D3 anyone?). Maybe Nvidia would be better off funding some game development? Who knows. But until then I'll stick with cpus<$100 and Video cards <$200.

Also, on another note, I wonder if they've considered replacement GPUs. I mean the 9700 already has it's own power connector. Might as well put a lever on the socket and let up drop a new GPU in (maybe the ram too). I don't know exactly how complicated it would be, but I would think a bios flash would make it doable. It would be nice at least to just buy the gpu since the card itsself and ram are already pretty damn fast.

[PhobMX]

SBitLAbs

The performance growth we got during extreme overclocking is quite perceptible: 30-35%. According to the preliminary info, it's exactly the growth necessary for ATI RADEON 9700 PRO to "kill" NVIDIA GeForceFX :).

w00t... thats of course an extreme oc, but i believe it can be a stock r350 performance.. :D

i just hope it doesnt need so ghetoish cooling like gffx...

[Overclocker550]

maybe there should be its own motherboard for the video card, start making ATXI power supplies. first there was AT, now ATX. also make larger cases, or smaller mobos

[Cullam3n]

Originally posted by ssprncvegeta
i heard this stuff about a ATI radeon 9900 pro to come out the same time as the geforce FX, and another ATI card coming out next year a R300 something:eek: :eek: :

wtf, so clueless

and if they do come out, will they be $500+, or bring down the GF FX and 9700 pro down?

You mean one of these?

http://www.cansailexp.com/jtemp/videoloca.jpg

-PC (someone had to do it)

[ReDeeMeR]

lmfao

[Cullam3n]

That was from MaximumPC I think. I have my own version, but my host is offline right now... grr

-PC

[Stumpjumper5200]

Originally posted by GosuWar
Fools, Nv30 is going to rock the r350... that is if ATI has the balls to compete it with nv30.


ROFL!


I think GosuWar just won the title of Biggest Nvidia FanBoy.......oh please, "if ATI has the balls to compete with it".....???

ATI: "Oh look at how fast nVidia's new card is, I guess we should just declare bankruptcy or something!"

Give me a break. nVidia beats ATI, ATI beats nVidia, so forth, and so on........

So far, ATI's R350 will be a souped up R300. Still based on the .15 process, but using DDR-II.

[Benno]

You think your cards cost alot, to work out my cost I pretty much double the us dollar price to get it into australian dollars. How does a $700-900+ card sound to you, and it costs more to freight to us so they are slightly more expensive over ere

QUIT WHINGIN!!

[Stumpjumper5200]

Well yeah, but it's all relative.

It's not like you're paying $700-$900 US Dollars.

[Default]

Originally posted by Karl04


I can only think how fast that would be. dual gpus and 256mb of ram. thats pretty freaking asome

Karl

PLEASE stop and think of our poor powersupplies!! I have already had to upgrade my psu 5 times :(

[Karl04]

Originally posted by PhobMX


i learned the hard way, bought a gf3 in its very release for $320, a year after it was already powned and little after that it died :(

i feel your agony/haterad/paine and other emotions.

Karl

[ssprncvegeta]

damnit, it never emails me updates of the site anymore =( even with it clicked and my email is still right....

oh well... anyways, anyone know if the R350 stuff is actually for real or just more hype over nothing. so soon after ati radeon 9700? this is waht happened to geforce3 ppls

[Stumpjumper5200]

Yeah it's for real. .15 process, DDR-II.

The Gf3 Ti series were nothing but speed bumps/reductions. ATI is putting DDR-II in there, who knows what else.