Whoa, new Geforce Fx has wicked cooling......

[Goodie]

Whoa, you guys see the cooling on the Geforce Fx, looks wicked. I always wanted to do this to my GF4, but never did try.


http://www.msicomputer.com/pressrelease/images_FX/GeForce-FX-Cooling-1.jpg


http://www.msicomputer.com/pressrelease/images_FX/GeForce-FX-Cooling-2.jpg

[I.M.O.G.]

someone in another thread referred to a dust buster... i see why. looks interesting anyways... looks like it takes up your first pci slot too huh?

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by I.M.O.G.
someone in another thread referred to a dust buster... i see why. looks interesting anyways... looks like it takes up your first pci slot too huh?

Don't see why you would worry about it taking the first PCI slot seeing as it's shared with the AGP slot.

[Evnas]

Old news...the cooling how it is now, is pretty sad...ur gonna be recylcing ur hot air right back onto the GPU

[bubba gump]

Yeh, it does resemble a PCI slot blower....hehhe thats not a half *** idea :)

[The Spyder]

Originally posted by Evnas
Old news...the cooling how it is now, is pretty sad...ur gonna be recylcing ur hot air right back onto the GPU
i sincerly doubt that unless you have the case right up against a wall~ the idea is that the force will cause the hot air to be removed far enough away from the case, and that it will RISE~ also a SIMPLE mod could fix that using one plexi to direct the input sucking down~

[JDXNC]

Better view of the whole thing:

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/1102/GFfx1.jpg

This was on Tech TV 2 weeks ago. If you notice, the exaust is angled away from the intake slightly.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by The Spyder

i sincerly doubt that unless you have the case right up against a wall~ the idea is that the force will cause the hot air to be removed far enough away from the case, and that it will RISE~ also a SIMPLE mod could fix that using one plexi to direct the input sucking down~

Lots of ppl, including me, have their case very close to a wall, or desk...and what about the ppl who have their computers in a little cabinet inside their desk...that will create huge temps for ur whole system

[donny_paycheck]

Originally posted by Evnas


Lots of ppl, including me, have their case very close to a wall, or desk...and what about the ppl who have their computers in a little cabinet inside their desk...that will create huge temps for ur whole system

Even so, it'll be recycling a whole lot less than a standard card with a standard cooler, where the fan just stirs air around in a cramped space over a puny HSF.

This will give it cool air from outside of the case and exhaust the hot air outside as well. The hot exhaust is directed away enough that it won't be drawn in very much at all. Even if you're up against a wall I doubt you'd draw in more than a few percent of the exhausted air.

I'm very pleased to see this cooling method used, especially with the addition of heat pipes. It's easily the most superior air cooling method used to date.

[Cisco Kid]

It is the most advanced cooling to date BUT it is just PLAIN BUTT UGLY imho.

Cisco kid:D

[Goodie]

Originally posted by Cisco Kid
It is the most advanced cooling to date BUT it is just PLAIN BUTT UGLY imho.

Cisco kid:D

Hee Hee I guess your right about ugly, but i think performance is what we are looking for. I think we could do some cool mods to the cooling duct as well. Like add LED's to it. That might make it look better.

[Overclocker550]

does anyone notice youll lose a pci or 2nd agp slot with that thingy? what if you dont have a free pci slot? also this is proof that Nvidia has hit the limit and watercooling may be next. wow a whole new case just for the water cooling :eek:

[SemiCycle]

You guys should check out this thread too. It has a ton of post about the same subject

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=143681

[GWN]

The problem I see with this cooler is that it will be loud!

[takiwa]

does anyone notice youll lose a pci or 2nd agp slot with that thingy?

nice, oc550...read the whole thread the next time, bro ;)

Third post:
Don't see why you would worry about it taking the first PCI slot seeing as it's shared with the AGP slot.

[baraka]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
does anyone notice youll lose a pci or 2nd agp slot with that thingy? what if you dont have a free pci slot?

Seems like a new form factor is in order.

[s[H]sIkuA]

HuH weird cooling IMHO :)

ABIT OTES looks much better than this
but who cares about Ugly anyway

seems like it will block the 1st pci which i dont like about it
better off with a smaller card :)

[Overclocker550]

If that pci slot is shared with the agp slot, why is it even on the motherboard? can it be used for anything, say a modem or network card?

[mage_x]

i dont see why anyone cares about the first pci, but maybe nvidia will make their next rev nforce2's with spaces below the agp to accomodate their card

[takiwa]

If that pci slot is shared with the agp slot, why is it even on the motherboard?

it usually shares an IRQ with the AGP, for a PCI video card...most mobo's look for video in the first slot...If you have an AGP video card, you really don't need the first PCI slot...and since most mobo's come with 5-6 PCI slots anyway, it shouldn't be a major inconvenience...

[Richard]

Why would that be loud?

From all appearances it uses a squirrel cage blower instead of the typical properller style blade fans.

Those are typically very quiet. (Unless its a very high capacity blower - which this doesn't appear to be.)

It looks very efficient to me, and should provide good cooling without excessive noise.

[Darkseid]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
does anyone notice youll lose a pci or 2nd agp slot with that thingy? what if you dont have a free pci slot? also this is proof that Nvidia has hit the limit and watercooling may be next. wow a whole new case just for the water cooling :eek:

2nd agp slot???? :confused:

[emericanchaos]

if cooling was an issue removing it would always be something to do. i mean how many mods does it take to be an OC'er. yaknow. this is what we do. so the card comes with stupid cooling. remove all that crap and make a duct down to it from the outside of the case and trim off the extra metal that would consume the extra PCI. or just leave it there and make another duct out. (eeep i'm talking about modding a card that hasn't been released yet and probably can't afford anyway)

[baqai]

it looks like some high tech birth prevention utility for graphic cards :D

you see our card is so hot it can make your PCI slots pregnant

ahh its like 7 in the morning i think i should catch some sleep lol

[Tygur]

Originally posted by Evnas


Lots of ppl, including me, have their case very close to a wall, or desk...and what about the ppl who have their computers in a little cabinet inside their desk...that will create huge temps for ur whole system
If the conputer is in a little cabinet like that, you'll get high temps anyway, no matter what..


What I don't understand is why so many people worry about that first pci slot. What are you putting in your PC's that's using all those slots up and making you need that particular one?

[Ugmore Baggage]

If you're worried about heat from outside your case just cut the ample amount of plastic off the intake tube or cut a circle out of the top, right over the fan.

If I was a manufacturer I'd modify the design so the user can remove a plastic disk over the fan. Quick, easy, shuts people up. One article mentioned that the actual apparatus used will be at the manufacturers' discretion. Hopefully, mounting holes will be provided.

[baraka]

What I don't understand is why so many people worry about that first pci slot. What are you putting in your PC's that's using all those slots up and making you need that particular one?

An example:

1) modem/NIC
2) tv tuner card
3) sound card
4) controller/RAID card
5) USB 2.0/Firewire card

Mind you, I don't have all of these things but it's an example of how you could use all the PCI slots, especially if you have an older mobo that doesn't have certain features integrated into the chips.

[Mr B]

Originally posted by baraka


An example:

1) modem/NIC
2) tv tuner card
3) sound card
4) controller/RAID card
5) USB 2.0/Firewire card

Mind you, I don't have all of these things but it's an example of how you could use all the PCI slots, especially if you have an older mobo that doesn't have certain features integrated into the chips.

True, but I can't help but wonder how many people will go out and buy a $500 to $600 video card and stick it on a board that doesn't have some of these built in. What's the point of getting this card to bottleneck it by plugging it into a 2x or 4x AGP slot?

If I had the $$ to buy a GFMX, I'd probably already have the latest and greatest motherboard to plug it into.

My $.02

[PreservedSwine]

Originally posted by Richard
Why would that be loud?

From all appearances it uses a squirrel cage blower instead of the typical properller style blade fans.

Those are typically very quiet. (Unless its a very high capacity blower - which this doesn't appear to be.)

It looks very efficient to me, and should provide good cooling without excessive noise.

The "Preview" of the card said it was especially loud....and the exhaust was hot.....not warm, but hot to the touch....

It also said that Nvidia engineers would work on it ..

[baqai]

i wonder if one can ever get a "quiet" pc with these new cards and fans i can literally hear my PC from downstairs and i have only four fans in total (the damn cooler master is one big noisy SOB)

[method().man]

hLooks eerily like a Flow-bee to me :rolleyes:

[Wraith]

have any of you even thought of how crappy this things gunna OC??? IF NVIDIA needs to put this kinda exaust on there card, there cant be much rom left to OC, and im sure a CORB isnt gunna cut it ne more

[Stumpjumper5200]

More cooling than that will take an insanely loud air setup if it works at all, the next step is definately liquid.

IMO, the people who will get this card could really care less about losing a PCI slot. I've got a 9700 Pro and my sound card is STILL in the bottom of the case.....I want air around that card, not a forest of PCI cards.

Video cards aren't going to stay tiny forever. I've got a GF2 MX200 laying around with no HS at all. Then video cards started to have heatsinks on them. Now heatsinks with fans. This type of extreme setup which is radical, for now, is probably the trend of future cards. Like it or not, get used to it. Video cards are starting to get wayyyyyyyyyyyy too powerful for little cheapo HSFs.

[donny_paycheck]

Originally posted by Wraith
have any of you even thought of how crappy this things gunna OC??? IF NVIDIA needs to put this kinda exaust on there card, there cant be much rom left to OC, and im sure a CORB isnt gunna cut it ne more

Of course a crystal orb won't give you better cooling. It's a less effective solution than this stock cooler.

Also, none of us can say how this card will overclock until overclockers get their hands on it. Anything else is purely speculative.

It sucks to do, but we need to be patient and wait. It's not like we haven't been waiting long enough already.

[baqai]

On the other hand theoratically speaking with better cooling we can make the card go to extremes, like donny said anything and everything right now is just theories and predictions before we can actually get our hands on one of the cards and play around with it

[ChillPhatCat]

I just want to know where I can get a hold of a dual AGP slot mobo...

lol j/k

[Overclocker550]

actually the riva128, some of them did have heatsinks. then the tnt2's had fans. only reason the vanta and geforce2mx have no heatsinks cause they are the low end verson and clocked way down, so less heat on a tiny die size. we could make a 500MHz pentium3 today thatll run quite cool without a heatsink using .13 micron. heck I think there was a 400Mhz cursoe cpu in a palm pilot!

[Genocide]

Ok everyone saying that Nvidia is overclocking their cards and that their cards have hit their limit, you have no idea what your talking about. As many people have pointed out time and time again, back in the Pentium 1 days, you barely needed a fan on the heatsink to cool the chip, now, with the AthlonXP and PIV's, your chip dies in seconds without a fancy cooling setup. All Nvidia is doing is giving their chips adequate cooling, since you cant slap a 5lb block of copper to the side of your video card like you can with your processor. If you dont like what Nvidia is doing with their chips, dont buy a GF-FX, easy as that. Stop crying.

yea also, my riva128 has a small sliver of metal glued to the chip, not even big enough to cover half the die, i guess its used for cooling...

[Commander_Kang]

I like the cooler design alot!Im thinking of building a cooler like that for my card over christmass break.Well it wont look like that but the same idea.

[Stumpjumper5200]

Genocide - It's not the cooler itself I'm worried about. It's the fact that people that have been around the card said the exhaust air is HOT. As we all know, high temps = not much more room for a big O/C.

[Overclocker550]

well why anyone would OC a $599 card is beyond me. as if it werent fast enough. I remember the geforce2u was a bad overclocker. it was clocked at 250/460 and your lucky to get it to 275/500. I dont think youd get even 10% out of the geforceFX

[Overclocker550]

well actually you could OC the ram, since ram doesnt make so much heat, but dont even think about trying to OC the core!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stumpjumper5200]

You seem to be obsessed with the fact that this card is gonna be expensive. It's okay, calm down.

It's gonna cost about the same as when the 9700Pro came out. Maybe up to $450 retail, but newegg will have it for less.

[timmyqwest]

Some of you guys are being panzies about this.

My old puter has a pII in it and i've got 5 PCI slots, i use one of them for my NIC.

What could you need all them for?

sound card...ok
Network...ok
Extra USB...ehh, most new mobo's have at least 4 on them and most good cases have 2 in the front...i cant imagine needing 6 usb ports

other then that?

Not to mention the fact...have you seen what this card is going to be able to do?!?! i'd be willing to drop a few USB ports for that :-)

**My friend decided to buy me one when they come out..w00t*

[timmyqwest]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
well why anyone would OC a $599 card is beyond me. as if it werent fast enough. I remember the geforce2u was a bad overclocker. it was clocked at 250/460 and your lucky to get it to 275/500. I dont think youd get even 10% out of the geforceFX

I've seen $350....

[Overclocker550]

Originally posted by timmyqwest
Some of you guys are being panzies about this.

My old puter has a pII in it and i've got 5 PCI slots, i use one of them for my NIC.

What could you need all them for?

sound card...ok
Network...ok
Extra USB...ehh, most new mobo's have at least 4 on them and most good cases have 2 in the front...i cant imagine needing 6 usb ports

other then that?

Not to mention the fact...have you seen what this card is going to be able to do?!?! i'd be willing to drop a few USB ports for that :-)

**My friend decided to buy me one when they come out..w00t*



1. pci sound
2. pci modem
3. pci ethernet
4. scsi controller
5. ata100 controller
6. lan
7. more usbs.

blocking 1 pci slot gives you 4 left. youd need to choose 4 out of the choices. as for price, we dont yet know for sure, but the geforce2u cost $599 when it came out!!!!!!! $599 for the geforceFX for the first 2 or 3 months then itll go down in price. If he wants one NOW youd need to $ave, $ave, $ave!

[Stumpjumper5200]

How much was the GF3 when it came out?
How much was the GF4 when it came out?
How much was the 9700Pro when it came out?

See a pattern? Those cards were just as groundbreaking and they didn't cost that much. I've seen people preorder them for $350.

And I could weed quite a few of those options out:

1. pci sound - OK
2. pci modem - Yeah there's still lots of dialups.......but not everyone
3. pci ethernet - OK.......see LAN.
4. scsi controller - Right. Next to pointless unless you do some serious work that needs that kind of setup. Can't think of an example, but the benefits aren't much for a normal computer.
5. ata100 controller - How many HD's you need??? :D
6. lan - Aren't the ethernet/LAN the same thing here? Very few people that I can think of need TWO of these connections.
7. more usbs. - Just get one of those external hubs, who cares if you have to share bandwidth of the 1 port. Unless you have wayyyy to much stuff and need to move data from 2 cameras and 3 video cameras at the same time.........it's just gonna hog resources and limit the almighty O/C :D

And yes, as you can see, I'm a minimalist when it comes to computer parts. I would only be using 1 PCI slot, but I have a network card because my onboard one didn't want to cooperate.

[timmyqwest]

exactly...

furthermore you listed a network card and a modem...aside from reciveing fax's...which i guess would be fair, why would you need both?

**doesnt know if you can get fax's through broadband...can you?**

[Beast_USA]

The day it comes out vrooooom I'm there!

I don't even care if it uses up three of my agp slots..ooooop's:eh?: PCI slots:D

UGLY LOLOLOL like OC care

I remember 1gig slot A AMD k-7
I cut a 8 inch radius hole in side of my case bolted on a MONSTER FRICKING LOUD fan just to get to 1173 and was all happy about the speed!

Know 4 case, 2 PS, cooler master 7300rpm
Hell one little ugly fan who will notice:D

Would be nice if vaporchill or prometeia came up with add-on kit for the vid card.


Going to 2800+@? Prometeia 8 more days

[Commander_Kang]

Originally posted by timmyqwest
exactly...

furthermore you listed a network card and a modem...aside from reciveing fax's...which i guess would be fair, why would you need both?

**doesnt know if you can get fax's through broadband...can you?**
Not every one has broadband and what about people that own one printer and want to share it between their pcs?How about those that want to play games between two pcs?What if your broad band connection goes down?Having dial up is great.In my case I have two nics, one so I can be on my network(which is on cable)and the other is for my adsl(my net connection).

[timmyqwest]

LOL then dont buy it...i dont give a damn. Obviously this is the best thing they could come up with. And it's going to be the best GPU out there. If you cant afford a MOBO with an onboard LAN then i cant see how you can afford a new vid card.

[Tygur]

You can't expect video cards to take up so little space forever. These GPU's are getting powerful, and they are gonna need the extra space for cooling sooner or later.

As for PCI slots, I can see the need for 3 of them:
1. NIC
2. Modem
3. Sound

Sure, there are other things you can get, but I find it hard to imagine people with everything you can get crammed into those pci slots. Even with 4 PCI cards (adding one extra to my above list of three), there should be enough room.

By the way, I only have two pci cards (sound and lan), and I'm quite happy that way.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Stumpjumper5200
How much was the GF3 when it came out?
How much was the GF4 when it came out?
How much was the 9700Pro when it came out?


The GF3, and 4 didnt have an "Ultra" flavor...that last "Ultra" was a GF2...how much did that cost when it came out? $500

[Beast_USA]

Originally posted by Evnas


The GF3, and 4 didnt have an "Ultra" flavor...that last "Ultra" was a GF2...how much did that cost when it came out? $500


I have a Leadtek winfast Geforce4 ULTRA A250 ti4600 128 ($419.00 still $419.00)

NO ULTRA?
Don't remember the g3 box will look for it (also leadtek winfast)


EDIT
Got the boxes
R Leadtek WinFast geforce3tm TDH nfiniteFX 64DDR tv out, DVI memory bandwidth up to 7.4GB/sec 3.2 billion samples per sec Full-Scene Anti-Aliasing ($349.00)

R Leadtek WinFast A250 ULTRA TD nvidia Geforce4 Ti 4600 DDR128, Dual fan cooling system, memory bandwidth 10.4GB/sec, tv out RCA s-video, DVI, twin turbo more reliable
Graphics Core 256 bit
Memory Interface 128 bit DDR
Memory Bandwidth 10.4 GB/sec
Peak Vertex Processing Rate (vertices/sec.) 136 million
Triangles/sec 136 million
Operations/sec 1.23 trillion
Effective Memory Clock Rate 650 MHz RAMDAC 350 MHz
($419.00)

http://www.leadtek.com/graphics/a250td/a250td.htm

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Beast_USA



I have a leadek winfast Geforce4 ULTRA A250 ti4600 128

NO ULTRA?
Don't remember the g3 box will look for it (also leadtek winfast)

Those are Leadtek's names, NOT nVidia's. There is a Ti4200, 4400, and 4600. Theres no Ultra there (like there was a GeForce 2 Ultra).

[Beast_USA]

LOOK UP

[Evnas]

Again, those are LEADTEK's names...NOT nVidia's. Look at nVidia's site and try to find a GF4 Ultra...u cant, because its not nVidia's naming. Its what Leadtek calls their nVidia based card

[Beast_USA]

Point taken
would only buy leadtek

OK
LEADTEK ULTRA $599
NON LEADTEK NON ULTRA $499

35% to 40% faster than 9700 pro

you meant no ultra chips correct?

[Beast_USA]

I forget lots of people buy the diet cokes of geforce:D

[Evnas]

nVidia is going to have a GeForceFX Ultra...that was my basis for the $500 price tag for the ppl who think it wont be that much. I was pointing out that the last "Ultra" card actually from nVidia (the GeForce2 Ultra) was $500, and the GeForceFX Ultra (the high end card) will most likely be the same. Get it now? hehe

[Beast_USA]

with you I just think price will higher (over priced)

And leadtek will be the higheeeesssstt priced one

Leadtek geforce
ATI pro always up up up

You know I have the 9700 pro ($399) just two many bugs
with iwill KK400 soyo KT400 oc-ed
stock clock no problem just raise agp v1.70 overclocked NO 1942.

[Evnas]

If ur having problems with ur ATi 9700 Pro, have a look at my post in the ATi forum about the Omega Drivers, and give t hem a try

[Beast_USA]

Only had problems on this one over 2.16g

In BF1942 everything else was fine once I raised voltage 1.7

The water got choppy when I went past 2.16g

Ati was faster 3Dmark (real test) graphic quality set to highest ati/geforce settings ......... tested at 1078X768 32bit

But I really don't see to much of a difference in the games.
They are both very ffffaaaassstttttt.


I have in the test machine 2100+@1933 XP333-R
Or spare if I fry this one:D

[Overclocker550]

hehe funny! there was a tnt2u then a geforce2u then now a geforce5u! thatll be the 3rd "ultra" Nvidia releases! I say the non-ultra is 33% faster than radeon 9700 pro and the ultra will be 66% faster :beer:

[Blueacid]

My Puter has:
Agp = Geforce 3 (original)
PCI 1 = ^ Can't use it ^
PCI 2 = NIC
PCI 3 = *Spare* (modem used to go here, but along came broadband)
PCI 4 = Sound
PCI 5 = TV Card
PCI 6 = USB 2 Card


If I needed, I could lose the TV card, and if it was *absoulutly* necessary, the Onboard Sound could be used instead...

*SHUDDERS at the thought*

OK maybe not...

[Overclocker550]

doesnt broadband use up a pci slot?

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
doesnt broadband use up a pci slot?

Thats what the NIC cards is :D

[GeckoBanzai]

Its possible that some of the heat in the exhausted air is from the squirrel cage motor and the air being drawn over the heatsink fins is a lot cooler.

I like the thought of drawing cool outside o' the case air over the hs and exhausting the heated air outside of the case. It looks like a sound idea. I keep my case away from the wall and on my desk for better ventilation.

[Stumpjumper5200]

Well, I've seen previews saying the exhaust air is HOT. Which leads into the speculation that the card won't O/C very good.I do like, however, that the entire intake and exhaust air is contained in the cooling system, so you don't have as much hot air in your case. It might even help the CPU stay a degee cooler.

[Overclocker550]

I wonder how many people would fry a $599(if not that, still very high) card by OCing it 10MHz higher :eek: