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[Maxvla]

I'm building a new system based on a 2100+ and Epox 8RDA+

i figure i'll move my ti4400 over to that system and see how it runs on it.

in the mean time i need a vid card for my p4 box. i need something that will still play the current games fairly well but don't really wanna spend much money on it.

i figure my options are an 8500 or a ti200. spending 70-90 bucks or so.

might be able to get an 8500 in the classifieds here for 75ish. no clue about ti200.

suggestions? which is better for the money? i skipped from a gf2mx400 to my ti4400 so i really don't have any experience with anything in between.

[Evnas]

the 8500 will be ther better performer, and have better image quality...i would go for that.

[mook]

Originally posted by Evnas
the 8500 will be ther better performer, and have better image quality...i would go for that.

Second that.

[Maxvla]

thats what i was thinking.

is driver support ok for the 8500's?

i know the 9700s are solid drivers, but i think the 8500's still had some junk thrown in at some point.

[Evnas]

The drivers for the 8500 are just as stable as the 9x00 cards IMO. I had no troubles at all before i switched to my 9500 Pro from my 8500

[Maxvla]

ok. so the stock 8500 retail was 275/275 right?

the oem was 250/275 or something like that.

i saw one on newegg that was 200/250 :eek: thats horrible.

[Godsmoke]

one thing oyu have to be sure to do is get rid of your det drivers
i have heard stories from ppl wondering why their ATi Card is doing horrible, and it was because they still had nvidia drivers on there. the new Ati drivers are great fro mwhat i hear, god i cant think of hte name...i think it starts with a C. allwell,, get rid of nvidia drivers.

[Evnas]

Catalyst ;)

Sounds better then Detonators to me...and Radeon sounds a hell of a lot better then GeForce, heh

[Godsmoke]

:( i like geforce. Theres been more radeons then geforce tho, if one series is due for an update, it is definately radeon. haha. see catalyst! i was thinkin "catastrophe" eh i was close enuf. yeah those drivers.

[Evnas]

Theres been more GeForces then Radeons...the first Radeon was made to compete with the GF2 i believe.

[Godsmoke]

i think yorue right. im thinkin of radeon VE. the ol pos 32mb one. i have a radeon 7000, that and a bunch of rage II cards is the extent of my ati collection. i have a geforce ddr-dvi, geforce 2 mx400 (x2), yeah.

[Hurk]

Yeah, 8500 128mb with BGA r0x0r.

[quegyboe]

Yeah, look at this and you decide which name has been used more....

GeForce 256
GeForce DDR
GeForce2 GTS
GeForce2 Pro
GeForce2 Ti
GeForce2 Ultra
GeForce2 MX
GeForce2 MX 200
GeForce2 MX 400
GeForce3
GeForce3 Ti 200
GeForce4 Ti 500
GeForce4 MX 420
GeForce4 MX 440
GeForce4 MX 460
GeForce4 Ti 4200
GeForce4 Ti 4400
GeForce4 Ti 4600
GeForce4 Ti 4800
GeForceFX

vs....

Radeon VE
Radeon LE
Radeon SDR
Radeon DDR
Radeon 7000
Radeon 7200
Radeon 7500
Radeon 8500
Radeon 8500 LE
Radeon 9000
Radeon 9000 Pro
Radeon 9100
Radeon 9500
Radeon 9500 Pro
Radeon 9600
Radeon 9700
Radeon 9700 Pro
Radeon 9800
Radeon 9900

Looks like there have actually been more Radeon's than GeForce's!!

[funnyperson1]

you need to split up Geforce2 MX, in the begging there was a vanilla Geforce 2MX, but then there was a Geforce2 MX200 and MX400, also you forgot Geforce2 Ultra...not to mention that the 9600,9800,9900 are a long ways off

but to answer Maxvla's question....the 8500 drivers for me have been rock solid...With the new cats there seem to be only two issues:
in UT2003 2X AA causes tecture loss (but the 8500 doesnt have the horsepower to perform at good resolutions with 2XAA)

also in CS when using custom skins FPS actually goes down...dunno why...i suspect its because of truform (which REALLY improves the appearance of half life graphics)

[quegyboe]

funnyperson1

Well if you want to nit-pick...I also missed alot of Radeons like the Pro versions of the 9x00 series, which I have updated. Either way, there have been more Radeons than GeForces.

*EDIT* I just counted and realized that the number of Radeons to GeForces are EQUAL. 20 for both sides.

[funnyperson1]

well if i wanted to nitpick i could also split up the Radeon DDR into the 32mb Radeon DDr and the 64mb Radeon DDR with VIVO :p

[Evnas]

Its more like this actually...

GeForce 256
GeForce DDR
GeForce2 GTS
GeForce2 Pro
GeForce2 Ti
GeForce2 Ultra
GeForce2 MX
GeForce2 MX 200
GeForce2 MX 400
GeForce3
GeForce3 Ti 200
GeForce4 Ti 500
GeForce4 MX 420
GeForce4 MX 440
GeForce4 MX 460
GeForce4 Ti 4200
GeForce4 Ti 4400
GeForce4 Ti 4600
GeForce4 Ti 4800
GeForceFX 5400
GeForceFX 5600
GeForceFX 5800
GeForceFX 5800 Ultra

Radeon VE
Radeon LE
Radeon SDR
Radeon DDR
Radeon 7000
Radeon 7200
Radeon 7500
Radeon 8500
Radeon 8500 LE
Radeon 9000
Radeon 9000 Pro
Radeon 9100
Radeon 9500
Radeon 9500 Pro
Radeon 9600
Radeon 9700
Radeon 9700 Pro
Radeon 9800
Radeon 9900

23 to 19

[Highlander]

Theres also an mx 480 as well i belive, 8x agp mx440??

[Evnas]

GeForce 256
GeForce DDR
GeForce2 GTS
GeForce2 Pro
GeForce2 Ti
GeForce2 Ultra
GeForce2 MX
GeForce2 MX 200
GeForce2 MX 400
GeForce3
GeForce3 Ti 200
GeForce4 Ti 500
GeForce4 MX 420
GeForce4 MX 440
GeForce4 MX 440 8x
GeForce4 MX 460
GeForce4 MX 480
GeForce4 Ti 4200
GeForce4 Ti 4200 8x
GeForce4 Ti 4400
GeForce4 Ti 4600
GeForce4 Ti 4800
GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
GeForceFX 5400
GeForceFX 5600
GeForceFX 5800
GeForceFX 5800 Ultra

Radeon VE
Radeon LE
Radeon SDR
Radeon DDR
Radeon 7000
Radeon 7200
Radeon 7500
Radeon 8500
Radeon 8500 LE
Radeon 9000
Radeon 9000 Pro
Radeon 9100
Radeon 9500
Radeon 9500 Pro
Radeon 9600
Radeon 9700
Radeon 9700 Pro
Radeon 9800
Radeon 9900

27 to 19 now

[Maxvla]

there will be a pro and np of the 9600, 9800, and 9900 so add 3 more to the radeon category.

there is also a 9100 pro

and a 7500 LE

24-23 ati leads

edit. you just edited :p

but fix the ati's in your post ;)

[Highlander]

sorry m8, mistyped, the mx480 is the 8Xmx440.....

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Maxvla
there will be a pro and np of the 9600, 9800, and 9900 so add 3 more to the radeon category.

there is also a 9100 pro

and a 7500 LE

24-23 ati leads

27 to 24 in that case, nVidia leads

*edit* Ok, im done with this...slaughter it for a while and ill be back to see how u do :)

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by Evnas


27 to 24 in that case, nVidia leads
jebus thats alot of cards!

[Maxvla]

wait. where did you get the fx 5400 and 5600?

i thought the fx was only going to be released in the 5800 and 5800 ultra?

[Godsmoke]

interesting..... allwell theyre both overdue for a name change!