Yatta anyone?

[Maxvla]

Checking out the possibility of creating a monster and looking for parts.

Plan to use 1700+ tbred b chips. $51 each free ship

Came across this little jewel thats pretty well priced and is microatx so its got everything built in plus its a smaller size.

MSI KM2M Combo-L -- Newegg link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=13-130-404&depa=1)

specs:

• 200/266MHz FSB, Supports AMD Duron/Athlon/Athlon XP up to 2600+
• Supports 2.5v DDR or 3.3v SDRAM, Max 2GB
• Ultra DMA 66/100/133, Micro-ATX
• Integrated S3 Savage8 3D Graphics, Up to 32MB Shared Memory
• Onboard Ethernet 10/100 LAN, 6x USB 2.0
• 3 PCI, 1 CNR, AGP 4X, 5.1 ch AC'97 Software Audio

$59 each free ship

Kingston 128mb PC2100 DDR $21 each free ship(newegg (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=20-140-003&depa=1))

Fortron 200W Noise Killer PSU (newegg (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=17-104-998&depa=1)) 26.00 free ship

CPU Heatsink/Fan (TBA) Newegg seems to have misplaced their cpu heatsink page :o

Encore 8 port Hub (newegg (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=17-180-002&depa=1)) $23 $4 ship

So i'm up to $157 per module plus heatsink/fan (cheap).

Anyone know if these motherboards overclock? or do you have a better suggestion for cheaper?

157 per module is kinda high.. i would like to find some way to cut costs if possible. best chance for lowering the cost lies in the motherboard or power supplies. possibly could pick up several motherboards on ebay for cheaper though with a higher risk.

i'll be running overfoldix in a diskless setup with monitoring via telnet from my main rigs through my linksys router.

if i can get a board that'll overclock and some decent heatsinks.. fill all 8 slots and were looking at 20ghz at least. :D muhahaha

what do you guys think?

[AZN]

sounds good, i think u should get a 24 port switch on the line ;)

AZN

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by AZN
sounds good, i think u should get a 24 port switch on the line ;)

AZN
you paying? ;)

[Malakai]

sweet

ninja edit: omg best idea ever, you should build a bunch of those and come fold for me!

[Kendan]

Maxvla. Looks good. You might want to PM Ploaf. Just tell him what you are planning he might be able to help you out:D

[Maxvla]

already talked quite extensively with him earlier this evening :)

[Arkaine23]

I take it these will be case-less?
You forgot to figure in the cost of cd-rom drives.

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by Arkaine23
I take it these will be case-less?
You forgot to figure in the cost of cd-rom drives.
one cdrom from my current system will be sufficient.

ploaf said with the overfoldix that you can "hotswap" cdroms and it won't crash.

i'll build a rig like his.. vertically mounted boards slid in grooves with psu's up top and hub above those.

[Chris]

Thats looks like it will be cool Maxvla.

http://www.ihateaol.co.uk/misc/funnypics/excellent.jpg

[Maxvla]

anyone got suggestions on other parts?

[Ray44420]

I received one of these boards Monday, and hope to get it together this weekend. I had been using PCChips boards and was running into problems using newer XPs.
I also received a GA7VKML. The OS is loaded, but I haven't had time to try it. I think both of these boards have farming potential. Give me a week, this may change...

[Maxvla]

let me know how they run. and particularly how they overclock. i'd appreciate it. :)

[blackhabit]

i want a yatta:( good for u

[belorsch]

Just wondering if you have checked to make sure the lan chipset on mb is supported with overfoldix? Cdrom is hot swappable with overfoldix huh.. That is useful info. I have a p3 933 running headless with overfoldix.

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by belorsch
Just wondering if you have checked to make sure the lan chipset on mb is supported with overfoldix? Cdrom is hot swappable with overfoldix huh.. That is useful info. I have a p3 933 running headless with overfoldix.
how do you check?

[belorsch]

David would probably know. Last I heard the realtec (8100,8000?) chipset was supported. I personally know it works with my biostar m6vkq also 3com 3c905c and built in intel nic on 815 mb's.

It at least needs to have PXE on the lan. I'm looking at it now its a via chipset.

[Maxvla]

the one on this board is a 6103 PHY 10/100.

do you have an email address for david?

[belorsch]

Check your pm.

[RoadWarrior]

On pricewatch Axion is listing some all onboard PC Chips boards at $36, can't see any sign on site though.

[David]

Originally posted by Maxvla
the one on this board is a 6103 PHY 10/100.

do you have an email address for david?


What chipset does it use?

I would say try it and see. There is bound to be some sort of support for it.

[Arkaine23]

I think Maxvla is looking to get 2Ghz+ from the $50 CPU's, so the board has gotta be overclockable. This may up the cost from $40-55 per board to more like $70-90 per board, plus the cost of a decent HSF.

Almost makes it worthwile to just get an extra layer rather than bother with a heavy OC.

[Penguin4x4]

Also you may want to run motherboards per PSU, as it will save some money......

[animal - hr]

Originally posted by blackhabit
i want a yatta:( good for u

the link is broken! can anybody send me howto's on yatta.

thnx

[Maxvla]

The MSI board has the KM266 chipset. the microatx version of the KT266.

and as far as 20ghz.. maybe i was thinking 1700+ not 1473mhz.

1.5x8 = 12ghz could probly overclock them about 500mhz each guaranteed which would get me 16ghz. the way those new 1700+'s are going though even on a medium priced hs/f setup you could probably get 6-700mhz out of them and maintain safe temps.

i'd rather have a seperate psu for each for ease of installation. i don't really wanna take the time to splice a billion wires. plus they aren't that expensive. dunno if i decide to go with those msi boards i might consider it.

[Sterculus]

nice setup there!
i wish i could do something like that :(

[Rav]

I can recommend the A7N266-VM, its fully integrated and I've got mine up to 168Mhz FSB. I think the new boards don't even need the modification anymore. I'm not sure about multplier adjustment though (I'm running a locked pally). No vcore but mine runs 1.8V by default. Newegg has it for $65-75 depending on their mood.

-Rav

[Maxvla]

thanks rav. more money but probably a better overclocker. we'll see.

[Kendan]

Originally posted by animal - hr


the link is broken! can anybody send me howto's on yatta.

thnx

Just PM me and I will give you the link:D same goes for anyone who wants it:D

[kajj]

in another recent thread someone posted this link:

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/articles/howto/FAH_Diskless_Farm_1.html

another method for setting up a farm. very clear instructions. boot by PXE not needed. just pointing it out for you to gander. good luck with the farm.

one of these days...

[Maxvla]

yeah i read that. i think the way i've got it laid out in my head is going to be simpler than that article.

with the overfoldix in memory i don't hafta worry about it asking a server for what to do.

only downside to this setup i'm considering is having to redo the whole thing if the power goes out. that doesn't happen very often here so its worth the risk.

[David]

When do you hope to have this running? Because I have two weeks off school and was planning on getting Overfoldix up and running again.

Would you be willing to wait till I have Overfoldix going before setting it all up? Cos then you can beta test it for me :P.

I can also customise it for your folding details.

[Maxvla]

its going to take at least a few months to gradually get all the parts.

so no rush.

[Maxvla]

how's this heatsink?

Thermalright CB-6L (http://www.kdcomputers.com/eui/prime/profile/389/78/component.htm)

$3.50 for the sink with copper bottom and nickel plated aluminum.

the reviews show that the stock fan it was shipped with was pretty horrible but once they put a decent fan (delta) on it it was as good as anything else.

for a fan:

Sunon 27cfm 60mm (http://www.kdcomputers.com/eui/prime/profile/36/26/component.htm)

8.00 is kinda high for a 60mm fan but i think the noise/cfm ratio is worth it. the only fan i see that pushes more air is the delta/tornados and forget those.. way too loud.

total for each hs/f combo 11.50.

what do you guys think? suggestions on other hs/f's?

[emericanchaos]

i wouldn't OC on a $4 cooler. but for a big farm i'd rather have more CPU's than more Mhz. i'd forget OCing the farm and just run as many CPU's as possible. or possibly squeeze as much out of the CPU as possible on whatever cooling you put on it.

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by emericanchaos
i wouldn't OC on a $4 cooler. but for a big farm i'd rather have more CPU's than more Mhz. i'd forget OCing the farm and just run as many CPU's as possible. or possibly squeeze as much out of the CPU as possible on whatever cooling you put on it.
this is a sale price. when they were new they sold for around 20-25.

i think they are trying to get rid of their stock.

[RoadWarrior]

Nickel plating is horrible. Looks nice, but you may as well paint a heatsink for all the help it is.

Some places have Volcano 6CU heatsinks cheap. They are not bad IMHO I was running my XP1800 with one, I could get 1690 @ 48C load, now with the AX-7 and Tornado I've only gained 60Mhz, and I still hit 48C load. I don't have a very good spetting chip though, but still, if these are only 60Mhz off what you can do with an AX-7 then they are good value. I think the price to aim for is like $6 a piece. Might be a bit taller than you were thinking of though.

Road Warrior

[Maxvla]

i'll check on the TT

also i wasn't stating the nickel plating as a good thing.. its just a description.

[David]

Are you going to run DHCP or assign static IPs? I would personally suggest DHCP.

[Maxvla]

i gotta run to work david. would love to chat right now but of course you appear right as i need to leave ;)

would be running it like this:

wall> dsl modem> linksys router (dhcp) > 8 port hub> boards

[David]

Originally posted by Maxvla
i gotta run to work david. would love to chat right now but of course you appear right as i need to leave ;)

would be running it like this:

wall> dsl modem> linksys router (dhcp) > 8 port hub> boards

I PMed you my email address :D. Maybe we should talk sometime.

[animal - hr]

http://folding.octeams.com/files/howto_yatta.zip
this link doesn't work right,any other link?anyone?

thnx

[kajj]

i have a version that's marked on my puter as july of 2002. it's titled "revision 2". i don't know if there's a more recent version, so assuming it's okay to pass it along:

right click save as...
Yatta HowTo (http://www.wooliet.com/personal_backups/howto_yatta.zip)

if, for some reason, i'm not supposed to distribute this, please let me know and i'll remove it.

[Maxvla]

anyone know where to get the power supply extensions i could use to splice in two boards on one power supply?

found a 300W Sparkle in the cyberdeals section for 14.99 shipped.

i think that would be plently for two boards each. sweet price too.

[animal - hr]

Originally posted by kajj
i have a version that's marked on my puter as july of 2002. it's titled "revision 2". i don't know if there's a more recent version, so assuming it's okay to pass it along:

right click save as...
Yatta HowTo (http://www.wooliet.com/personal_backups/howto_yatta.zip)

if, for some reason, i'm not supposed to distribute this, please let me know and i'll remove it.

thank you !

[animal - hr]

Originally posted by Maxvla
anyone know where to get the power supply extensions i could use to splice in two boards on one power supply?

found a 300W Sparkle in the cyberdeals section for 14.99 shipped.

i think that would be plently for two boards each. sweet price too.

why don't you build your own psu?with plenty of power for all the boards,and just divide the wires for each board?

[walaka7]

http://www.ikor-design.com/ikordesign/details.asp?item=MBB%2DA7V133%2D10BOX

maybe someone can give you a little research love on this board.. if you dont mind running adram (and for yatta thats exactly what id be doing :) )

[ThePunkGeek]

i think thats the msi micro board i used a few months back can't remember for sure but if it is then ya it have overclocking opions no votlage control but fsb can be changed.

[Maxvla]

nice link walaka

any idea if those overclock?

how much ram do you think i'd need to have overfoldix in a ram drive?

there's no onboard video on that board :(

found a different one with onboard video for the same price.

http://www.ikor-design.com/ikordesign/details.asp?item=MBB%2DA7V%2DVE%2D10BOX

oh and i went ahead and ordered 4 of those sparkle psu's.

[Ploaf]

Originally posted by kajj
right click save as...
Yatta HowTo (http://www.wooliet.com/personal_backups/howto_yatta.zip)

if, for some reason, i'm not supposed to distribute this, please let me know and i'll remove it.

I think it should be fine kajj. Thanks. I've had a lot of problems with the current server actually serving files instead of spitting out errors so mirrors are great. This will be solved as soon as we can move it to a decent server which I had hoped be able to do for a while. Just waiting on a couple of issues to be ironed out that are out of my hands.

[kajj]

if there's anything else you need mirrored in the meantime, let me know.

[SickBoy]

As far as cooling... check out the GC68 at SVC. it's like $5 or $6 and it cools exceptionally well for an all-Aluminim heatsink and is amazingly quiet on my mom's PC with the thermal-controlled fan. Running an 80MM fan really helps from what I can tell.

[Maxvla]

what do you guys think of the TT Volcano 11?

http://www.bestbyte.net/Product.cfm?ProductID=1094&CategoryID=6&Keyword=

i can get them for about 15 bucks.

[SiGmA_X]

They would be able to handle what you need, I think.. But I'm not sure about height on them.. Try a 1u copper?

Where can I get more info on overfoldix? From David?

[tom kruze]

where you getting your 1700+'s from? Newegg is not sending out TBred B's right now i just ordered the other day and got a TBred A so becareful if you planning on ordering from them. just a FYI

matt

[Lonely Raven]

Question, does this diskless OS fold as quickly as a windows
version?

Also, how would an overclocked machine compair to a stock
machine?

Ok, lets assume you can hit 166X10 or 166X11 on each of those
processors with a good board.

Does that get you more work units per $$$

Then stock with XXX system boards at XXX dollars?

I'm looking at it like this, if one overclocked machine can do
1.5 times the work of a stock machine, at only 20 difference,
you could save about $10-20 per unit and get the same amount
of work done. Or just blow that extra money on more units.

Granted, all this balances on being able to hit 166FSB, and that
166FSB gets you 50% more work.

Can someone with more folding time chime in and tell us
how this balances out?

[Maxvla]

yatta is on hold for now cause my car decided it needs a new transmission :*(

[Gnerma]

Originally posted by Maxvla
what do you guys think of the TT Volcano 11?

...

i can get them for about 15 bucks.
If I were you my 'high end cheap' would be Thermalright SK6+. It is 15 bucks (without a fan). Have you considered just buying the CPUs retail and using the stock HSFs? I can just imagine you lapping 8 retail AMD HSFs for one, long afternoon :D Also, have you considered picking up random cheapies for very little cash or shipping only from folding team members?

Originally posted by Maxvla
yatta is on hold for now cause my car decided it needs a new transmission :*(
:cry::cry:

Well you know what they say, stuff happens. Make sure to get a tranny that can fold :burn:

Originally posted by Lonely Raven
Question, does this diskless OS fold as quickly as a windows
version?
Since the diskless folding client is Linux, no it does not fold as fast as Windows. But (just like in a non diskless Linux folding box) if you can get each diskless node running on wine then yes. The client will fold at about the same (good luck getting that working).

Originally posted by Lonely Raven
Also, how would an overclocked machine compair to a stock
machine?

Ok, lets assume you can hit 166X10 or 166X11 on each of those
processors with a good board.

Does that get you more work units per $$$

Then stock with XXX system boards at XXX dollars?
Folding is a rather odd beast in that it scales almost 1:1 with CPU clock speed alone. So the Athlon XP @ 2 ghz will be about twice as fast as the Athlon XP @ 1 ghz (I know they don't exist). FSB, memory speed, and memory timings make little difference. The impact of fsb, timings and memory speed are more significant with Gromacs core WUs, yet not enough to really spend an extra 30+ USD on each node. So, in folding, going for CPU clock speed should be your number 1 priority.

You'd be best off with stock or moderately overclocked nodes with cheaper boards and cheaper memory. 166 fsb is still rather expensive compared to 133 fsb in todays market. The setup you are suggesting would be more intune with how SETI works rather than folding :beer:

[OSUmaxx]

Originally posted by Maxvla
yatta is on hold for now cause my car decided it needs a new transmission :*(

Ah man, sorry to hear that. :(

[Audioaficionado]

If it's diskless, where's the WU going to be saved to as it progresses?

Like you said, if you loose power, you'll loose all work from the last download.

[OSUmaxx]

Originally posted by Audioaficionado
If it's diskless, where's the WU going to be saved to as it progresses?

In memory I believe. If you lose power, you lose the WU.

[Edward2]

So what motherboard does everyone recommend for a newer Yatta (Tbred B based)? I know that several motherboards were discussed earlier in this thread, but it appeared that there were some unanswered questions about each mobo.

[Lonely Raven]

I'm still wondering if a madly overclocked 1700+ can do as
much work as two stock ones.

If so, I'd just snipe some refurb nforce2 boards from new egg and
build the yatta one attta time!

[Gnerma]

Originally posted by Lonely Raven
I'm still wondering if a madly overclocked 1700+ can do as
much work as two stock ones.
I answered this question earlier in the thread Lonely Raven (in the longish reply with all the quotes). The answer was no :beer:

[Audioaficionado]

Originally posted by tom kruze
where you getting your 1700+'s from? Newegg is not sending out TBred B's right now i just ordered the other day and got a TBred A so becareful if you planning on ordering from them. just a FYI

matt

Hmmm...

Check this out? It's not a 1700 but I like it better. According to the Newegg reviews, that 'B' Tbred is a good overclocker.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=19-103-370

I think I'm going to get this (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishList.asp?position=current&submit=view) for an interm faster folding/user combo rig until I can afford that MSI socket A dually.

What would be a good quiet fan for that CPU?

[Gnerma]

Originally posted by Audioaficionado
Check this out? It's not a 1700 but I like it better. According to the Newegg reviews, that 'B' Tbred is a good overclocker.
The 1700+s we are talking about are TbredB cpus as well. There is even a specific kind of 1700+ tbredB that will overclock pretty much better than any AMD out there, I believe it is the DLT3C.

Oh and YOU get a new computer?! It'll never happen :p

[Audioaficionado]

Originally posted by Gnerma

The 1700+s we are talking about are TbredB cpus as well. There is even a specific kind of 1700+ tbredB that will overclock pretty much better than any AMD out there, I believe it is the DLT3C.

Oh and YOU get a new computer?! It'll never happen :p

Will that 'B' Tbred 1700 o/c faster than the 2100 I found? The 1700 might have more MHz/$ but will it be as fast in the end?

For $250 and my BD (same as your's) coming up, I'm going to treat myself. There'll be a lot of upgrading to do over time but it'll have a lot more power right out of the box than my sig rig :D

[Gnerma]

Originally posted by Audioaficionado
Will that 'B' Tbred 1700 o/c faster than the 2100 I found? The 1700 might have more MHz/$ but will it be as fast in the end?
Yeah it sure will, take a swing around the AMD CPU forum and you'll see all the overclocking numbers.

Man, our birthday is real dang soon. I'm not ready to be 23 :(

[Audioaficionado]

I'm @ the big five O & My daughter just turned 23 last week :eek:

However I'm the same fightin' weight I was twenty years ago except my chest is a foot lower now :p

[Ray44420]

I like this MSI board. Very stable, and the VIA chipset is much faster than the SiS that PCChips uses. I've been to busy to look into overclocking it right now.
I also have a Gigabyte board that I accidently ordered too many of and am forced to play with it. It is the GA7-VAX. No onboard video, but it does alllow you to set the FSB. With a XP2600+ it folds like mad! My numbers really went up when I put this one together. I don't have a buyer for it yet, so I imagine I will have to use it as a folder for now... :)

[Audioaficionado]

I'm thinking of getting that MSI combo L Maxvla mentioned towards the begining of this tread. I've looked around and it seems to be a good bang for the buck mobo. Not an O/C forum contender but I can put together a decent rig that will out fold my PPro200 dullie by 10/1 and be a good E-machine on steroids. I'm also be getting a Tbred-B 2100 and 512Mb Micron DDR, Liteon DVD, floppy and VANTEC AeroFlow VA4-C7040 to keep my race horse nice and cool while it folds 24/7.

I hope to get the FSB up to 140 with the highest mutiplier. I think the mobo will support x16. 140/16 would put me at ~2240 If I got a great chip. Since there's no Vcore adjustment possible, I'd need a miricle chip to hit that on air. Can't get more fsb as the divisor is most likely only 1/4. I know this high an O/C isn't very likely with this mobo but I'll give it a whirl.

All for less than $300 out of pocket :cool:

[Kakao]

Originally posted by Edward2
So what motherboard does everyone recommend for a newer Yatta (Tbred B based)? I know that several motherboards were discussed earlier in this thread, but it appeared that there were some unanswered questions about each mobo.

I built a diskless folder using the asrock k7vm2. What a great surprise. The onboard lan boots PXE no need to configuration. Onboard video. Via km266. SDR or DDR. Very cheap. Still didn't buy two or tree more because can't find them now.

No, no overclocking options.

[David]

Originally posted by Kakao


I built a diskless folder using the asrock k7vm2. What a great surprise. The onboard lan boots PXE no need to configuration. Onboard video. Via km266. SDR or DDR. Very cheap. Still didn't buy two or tree more because can't find them now.

No, no overclocking options.

http://www.aria.co.uk/DisplayProducts.asp?Submit=Search&Category=46

5th from bottom, but I think Aria are UK only.

[Kakao]

Thank you David. It is too hard and expensive to legally import things in Brasil. I'll have to wait untill they magically appear...