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I just built a computer for my friend today.
It's a barton 2500+ bought from newegg with only $133
and here (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1279710) is the resault with stock cooling
Also one thing I never know before....barton's multiplier is unlocked :) well this may be normal for you AMD fans, but for an Intel fan like me it's a big news :p...I only knew MP was unlocked a while ago :)
now this barton is at 10 x 225FSB
Anyway, this chip rocks...for something only $133, running at around 3GHZ P4's speed....it took about only 10min. to install the WinXP Pro. It got higher CPU score in Sandra than my 3.12GHZ P4, well no match for me in PCmark by a few hundred points :)
lol one thing i just noticed, how come PCmark2002 reads Barton as "duron"? well it's definatly a baron, which gives nearly 7000 CPU score :)
note: System is totally stable at this speed.
hitechjb1
05-06-03, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by oops
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Also one thing I never know before....barton's multiplier is unlocked :) well this may be normal for you AMD fans, but for an Intel fan like me it's a big news :p...I only knew MP was unlocked a while ago :)
now this barton is at 10 x 225FSB
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Welcome to the AMD CPU board, ... , if you had been here earlier, you would have known that all AMD CPU since Tbred A and then Tbred B (non MP), debuted about 1 year ago are all multiplier unlocked.
BTW: I have a TB B 1700+ DLT3C, half the price of the Barton, when running at 2555 MHz, delivers an integer benchmark D-MIPS of 9556 MIPS, it is like running a P4 at 3.26 GHz (= 9556/2.927) on integer computations. The 2.927 is the P4 IPC (instructions per cycle) number from Sandra Dhyrstone MIPS for integer computation.
PS: Nice oc, I am thinking about getting a 2500+ Barton too.
Sir Barton
05-06-03, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by oops
I just built a computer for my friend today.
It's a barton 2500+ bought from newegg with only $133
and here (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1279710) is the resault with stock cooling
Also one thing I never know before....barton's multiplier is unlocked :) well this may be normal for you AMD fans, but for an Intel fan like me it's a big news :p...I only knew MP was unlocked a while ago :)
now this barton is at 10 x 225FSB
Anyway, this chip rocks...for something only $133, running at around 3GHZ P4's speed....it took about only 10min. to install the WinXP Pro. It got higher CPU score in Sandra than my 3.12GHZ P4, well no match for me in PCmark by a few hundred points :)
see....now the AMD gods are summoning you to take your P4 to the pawn shop and get yourself an AMD :D jk....that is a very nice speed for that processor, do you know what stepping it is?
timmyqwest
05-06-03, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by oops
I just built a computer for my friend today.
It's a barton 2500+ bought from newegg with only $133
and here (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1279710) is the resault with stock cooling
Also one thing I never know before....barton's multiplier is unlocked :) well this may be normal for you AMD fans, but for an Intel fan like me it's a big news :p...I only knew MP was unlocked a while ago :)
now this barton is at 10 x 225FSB
Anyway, this chip rocks...for something only $133, running at around 3GHZ P4's speed....it took about only 10min. to install the WinXP Pro. It got higher CPU score in Sandra than my 3.12GHZ P4, well no match for me in PCmark by a few hundred points :)
what he said
anvil82
05-06-03, 09:59 AM
With some better cooling, you could probably hit 2.5ghz ;)
Originally posted by anvil82
With some better cooling, you could probably hit 2.5ghz ;)
I wonder...I have a barton that will not stay stable @ 2300 or more w/ vcore @ 1.85. i can get 2280 (190*12) stable w/ same vcore. cooling is my issue? temps can reach 60 even @ 2280 but is stable. may try burning in @ lower clock? any ideas?
btw, Oops: whats your voltage?
also i have the 1.03 or 1.06 build of mobo (non-400fsb)
Originally posted by Eroc
btw, Oops: whats your voltage?
1.725V for processor, 2.8V for memory
anvil82
05-06-03, 11:26 AM
I think for 2.5ghz you need water cooling or more.
Sorry if I am wrong, it's just from what I've read.
I do not have the barton 2500+
grunjee
05-06-03, 11:29 AM
Nice! I'm going back to AMD in the next couple weeks (I just did the P4 thing as an experiment and am not too impressed).
I just can't decide whether to get a Barton or a "normal" 1700+ like everyone seems to have. Been reading the forum threads lately and there doesn't seem to be a clear answer.
Originally posted by Sir Barton
see....now the AMD gods are summoning you to take your P4 to the pawn shop and get yourself an AMD :D jk....that is a very nice speed for that processor, do you know what stepping it is?
I didn't pay attention on the stepping... since I have no knowledge of the stepping for AMD's chips. Well don't forget it's just a system I built for a friend, not for myself. so I cannot check the stepping now.
also my P4's memory score is still superior :) over 3000 points higher than this barton system's score in pcmark, and about 1.4GB/sec More in Sandra memory bandwidth.
check this out :) (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1273441)
That's the only thing I can be proud of my P4 system compare to that barton now lol
when I was installing stuff for my friend on that barton system, I had a feeling it's smoother and faster than mine lol....maybe it's due to more cache...i can never forget how fast the windows XP Pro was installed .... it's like after put the CD key and everything else in, then I just left about 5 min. at most, then came back found out it's done already! plus the time before input cd key stuff it's 10min. at most.
Originally posted by grunjee
Nice! I'm going back to AMD in the next couple weeks (I just did the P4 thing as an experiment and am not too impressed).
I just can't decide whether to get a Barton or a "normal" 1700+ like everyone seems to have. Been reading the forum threads lately and there doesn't seem to be a clear answer.
get the barton, I think the 640K cache worth the price. besides it's only $133 :)
Originally posted by anvil82
With some better cooling, you could probably hit 2.5ghz ;)
it should. but since it's a system I built for my friend, I don't want to fry it There is also something strange...the MBM5 cannot display any templarture or voltage or fan speed at all...there is no option to choice for (for example, I could set section 1 to Asus 1 on my P4 system, but this system shows "none" under the choices), so since I cannot watch the templarture inside the windows, I had to be more careful about not to fry it
get the barton, I think the 640K cache worth the price. besides it's only $133 :)
I agree very good proc. i also plan to get a 1700 for another rig. :cool:
hitechjb1
05-06-03, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by oops
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also my P4's memory score is still superior :) over 3000 points higher than this barton system's score in pcmark 1.4GB/sec More in Sandra memory bandwidth.
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Yes, the P4 dual channel quad data rate, such as granite bay, in theory delivers max memory bandwidth 2x that of AMD nforce2 dual channel (double data rate). But in practice, one cannot get 2x bandwidth, due to overhead of memory controller. The effective memory bandwidth about 50-60% higher than that of an AMD system.
Due to the higher IPC of AMD to P4, a ratio of about 1.28 to 1 on DMIPS, I think if both the AMD and P4 are overclocked, they are roughly the same, P4 still has a little edge on DMIPS benchmark.
E.g on air, XP 1700/2100+ tops around 2.5 GHz (PR estimate 3700+), P4 around 3.4 GHz. 3.4/2.5 = 1.36 > 1.28. Of course, if the max oc speed for AMD and P4 found changes, the race between them will change.
Nice OC!
Mine oc is close - 13.5 x 170 (2300)
Compare it here (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1254896) with yours.
Very strange - my cpu score is less altough the frequency is a little higher. OK - Thats because of the fsb.
My memory score is higher although the fsb is much slower?!
I would say that pcmark isn't that reliable...
just update some information
1. WCPUID shows stepping 0(is that normal?:confused: )
2. I changed the memory sticks from slot 1 & 2 to slot 1 and slot 3, and found out the memory bandwidth has increased by 20% in sandra and memory score increased 10% in PCmark.
here is the new resault (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1280870)
Originally posted by Pla
Nice OC!
Mine oc is close - 13.5 x 170 (2300)
Compare it here (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1254896) with yours.
Very strange - my cpu score is less altough the frequency is a little higher. OK - Thats because of the fsb.
My memory score is higher although the fsb is much slower?!
I would say that pcmark isn't that reliable...
I used lower settings for memory, the HyperX PC3000 sticks in this system cannot do very stable once above 185FSB, so I used 75% ratio to the RAM if I remember correctly. When the memory cannot handle the high FSB, the system will say "system fail memory test" when the system boots...lol...it's the first motherboard I've ever seen has voice report post function...but the voice quality isn't good :)
changing memory slots increased the memory score, now it's above yours :)
:o
Now I am happy with the results :P
They seem like they should be.... ;)
here is some updates (http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/zywwzy/vwp?.dir=/benchmarks&.dnm=AMD+Barton+2500%2b+@+2.274GHZ.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t)
ignor the date and time in WCPUID...BIOS's memory was cleared several times after "overdoing it" lol...so the time went back to BIOS default time.
Great job!
Also - Nice desktop image!
timmyqwest
05-06-03, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Eroc
I wonder...I have a barton that will not stay stable @ 2300 or more w/ vcore @ 1.85. i can get 2280 (190*12) stable w/ same vcore. cooling is my issue? temps can reach 60 even @ 2280 but is stable. may try burning in @ lower clock? any ideas?
btw, Oops: whats your voltage?
also i have the 1.03 or 1.06 build of mobo (non-400fsb)
This seems to be common with a bunch of these chips, do you happen to know your stepping?
Originally posted by Pla
Great job!
thanks :)
Originally posted by Pla
Also - Nice desktop image!
That's my friend's :p Don't forget this system isn't mine
Originally posted by oops
get the barton, I think the 640K cache worth the price. besides it's only $133 :)
isnt it 512 MB cache?
o nm, L1 and L2 adds up hehe
o yeah, K... I guess its not as good as the intel chips with 512MB cache ;)
Mr. $T$
05-06-03, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by oops
I just built a computer for my friend today.
It's a barton 2500+ bought from newegg with only $133
and here (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1279710) is the resault with stock cooling
Also one thing I never know before....barton's multiplier is unlocked :) well this may be normal for you AMD fans, but for an Intel fan like me it's a big news :p...I only knew MP was unlocked a while ago :)
now this barton is at 10 x 225FSB
Anyway, this chip rocks...for something only $133, running at around 3GHZ P4's speed....it took about only 10min. to install the WinXP Pro. It got higher CPU score in Sandra than my 3.12GHZ P4, well no match for me in PCmark by a few hundred points :)
What can I say other than NICE!
Glad to see more and more people get these 2500+ up to 2.2-2.4 range, good thing because this is still an early stepping so there is room for improvement. Can't wait for the more refined stepping to hit the market, aka the 3200+ steppings :cool:
Anaxagoras1986
05-06-03, 09:43 PM
My friend just got this:
Asus A7N8X
AXP 2800+ (Barton)
2x 512Mb PC3200
2x 80GB Western Digital SE
ATI R9800 Pro was on the way but he canceled the order so it is now just a R9100 (lol--->200/184) until he gets something else.
I forgot what it got in PCMark but Ill check again and post the results. BTW, he hasnt overclocked it yet. What stinks is the memory is acting like it is PC2100 because there have been some probs when we try to run it at PC2700 speeds!
Originally posted by timmyqwest
This seems to be common with a bunch of these chips, do you happen to know your stepping?
no. i did not think to check before installing :( guess i was too anxious :p
ill try getting around to checking and post it tho.
one other thing. my ram is only 2700...may be reason i cant go over 195 (390 fsb) it is still kickin' it at 380 fsb w/ 2.5-3-3-6 timings!
hitechjb1
05-06-03, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by AZN
o yeah, K... I guess its not as good as the intel chips with 512MB cache ;)
Where can I find an Intel chip (CPU) with 512 MB cache?? That chip must be as big as a 3 1/2 in floppy diskette. lol
I probably don't even have to buy DRAM memory module to run it. and no more cache miss. jk
didnt u know? the new D1 steppings comes with 1GB of cache :)
hitechjb1
05-07-03, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by AZN
didnt u know? the new D1 steppings comes with 1GB of cache :)
I really don't know. What is it? You mean on chip cache 1GB, how can it be? Or something else? Or pointers please.
LOL...
Anyway, Barton has more cache then p4
P4 has inclusive cache - all data in L1 cache is also duplicated in L2 cache. When L1 cache misses it gets its data from L2.
So the max data in cache is 512 KB.
Athlons have exclusive cache - L1 is not duplicated in L2. So when a L1 cache misses it swaps data with L2.
So the total data stored in cache is 128 + 512 = 640 KB
Originally posted by hitechjb1
I really don't know. What is it? You mean on chip cache 1GB, how can it be? Or something else? Or pointers please.
She was just kidding...
It will have 1MB L2 cache which is a lot for the expensive static dram.
Anaxagoras1986
05-07-03, 05:30 AM
Well the B3 series have 768mb. :p
DaveSauce
05-07-03, 09:19 AM
Hrm.....I think it's time that I OCed my own 2500+......wish me luck!
Originally posted by DaveSauce
Hrm.....I think it's time that I OCed my own 2500+......wish me luck!
good luck :)
It should definatly reach at least 2.2GHZ no problem....just playing around with the multipliers and memory ratio & timing a little bit....you'll be able to do that :)
Originally posted by hitechjb1
I really don't know. What is it? You mean on chip cache 1GB, how can it be? Or something else? Or pointers please.
yeah i was just kidding.
hitechjb1
05-07-03, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by AZN
yeah i was just kidding.
The size of a CPU with 1 GB SRAM cache would be about 700 times that of today's Barton (101 mm^2). Size of L2 cache ~ 34 mm^2/512KB. Size of CPU would be about 70,000 mm^2, the CPU would be almost the size of most motherboards today. !!!!
Originally posted by hitechjb1
The size of a CPU with 1 GB SRAM cache would be about 700 times that of today's Barton (101 mm^2). Size of L2 cache ~ 34 mm^2/512KB. Size of CPU would be about 70,000 mm^2, the CPU would be almost the size of most motherboards today. !!!!
but what about the performance?
I don't care if it's as big as a table, if it can be 100x + faster :p
Originally posted by oops
but what about the performance?
I don't care if it's as big as a table, if it can be 100x + faster :p
Don't forget that the waffles are smaller so it would be made from several parts. Also the yeild will be very little making it very expensive. Also if a cpu costs to manifacture about $50, 512KB cache is 30% so it costs about $15. Now multiply this by 700 and you get $1050. Now increase it with the yeild cost and you get about $ 2000-3000...
And it will be at most 10 - 20 times faster.
Do you still want it?
It will be cheaper and faster to buy 8 Opterons.
I think a processor cost $30 at most for manufacturer to make it. Could be less, like around $15 to $20 actually.
emericanchaos
05-07-03, 12:26 PM
factor in how much they pay the people to make it and the energy costs to run everything.
OC-Master
05-07-03, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by AZN
didnt u know? the new D1 steppings comes with 1GB of cache :)
And I bet this D1 stepping runs at least 1.10THz :D and is only 0.008um fab :)
opps, almost forgot about the 100GHz FSB with the 11x multiplier :)
OC-Master
Originally posted by emericanchaos
factor in how much they pay the people to make it and the energy costs to run everything.
They mass produce chips in third world countries where they pay only a few cents per hour to the employees and also the energy costs much lower than in the US, so is everything else.
DaveSauce
05-07-03, 12:51 PM
ah now running at 2300 mhz....1.825 vcore. i think i'll stick with this....i rather enjoy my 42C load temp, lol. I dunno how stable this is....so far folding is working, but that just means that it's stable for now. With luck, it will remain stable, heh.....
next stop, mushkin 2-2-2 ram, w00t!
edit: DAMN!
she just froze on me.......oh well. Dropped the multi down to 11, so it's 2200 now. I think i'm gonna run this for a while until i'm sure it's stable, then i'll go from there.
Anaxagoras1986
05-07-03, 01:06 PM
oops: It cost alot to for research and testing on these chips as well.
Originally posted by DaveSauce
ah now running at 2300 mhz....1.825 vcore. i think i'll stick with this....i rather enjoy my 42C load temp, lol. I dunno how stable this is....so far folding is working, but that just means that it's stable for now. With luck, it will remain stable, heh.....
next stop, mushkin 2-2-2 ram, w00t!
edit: DAMN!
she just froze on me.......oh well. Dropped the multi down to 11, so it's 2200 now. I think i'm gonna run this for a while until i'm sure it's stable, then i'll go from there.
Sounds like my sig rig. i cannot hit 2.3Ghz. i am stable at 2280 though. (190*12) i have 2700 ram so i cant push fsb any higher but 380Mhz for 333Mhz ram isnt bad.
i want better ram too ;) maybe corsair 3200 2-2-2-6
DaveSauce
05-07-03, 03:03 PM
yea, it froze up again.....lol. I dropped it to 185x11.5 to 2137.....at 1.8 vcore. If this stays stable (tonight i'm gonna stop folding and turn on prime95 torture test), then I'm gonna inch up the FSB.....I am really enjoying my temps, so I don't want to put the vcore up too far....i'm sure I could get this thing stable at 2.3 and at about 50C load, but I don't want to, lol....might require 1.9 vcore, which is not something I want to do.
anvil82
05-07-03, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by oops
They mass produce chips in third world countries where they pay only a few cents per hour to the employees and also the energy costs much lower than in the US, so is everything else.
I think he was talking about the designers of the chip.
I don't thinking people working in clean rooms making computer chips, are getting a few cents an hour.
Originally posted by DaveSauce
yea, it froze up again.....lol. I dropped it to 185x11.5 to 2137.....at 1.8 vcore. If this stays stable (tonight i'm gonna stop folding and turn on prime95 torture test), then I'm gonna inch up the FSB.....I am really enjoying my temps, so I don't want to put the vcore up too far....i'm sure I could get this thing stable at 2.3 and at about 50C load, but I don't want to, lol....might require 1.9 vcore, which is not something I want to do.
Try lower the multiplier to 10, and then use 220FSB. If the memory cannot handle, then use lower ratio to memory. That's what I did. And also only 1.70V...high templarture may cause computer crash or freeze.
bafbrian
05-07-03, 05:29 PM
I don't think I saw this, but what mobo are you running ?
Very interested to know this.
Originally posted by bafbrian
I don't think I saw this, but what mobo are you running ?
Very interested to know this.
are you asking me?
The links I posted with PCmark resault shows the mobo model
a c i d.f l y
05-07-03, 08:34 PM
That sounds like BS... biggest onboard cache for a chip I've heard of was 8MB, and that was for the Xeon chips, server chips. A home user doesn't need that kind of cache. There's no point.
-Frank
anvil82
05-07-03, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by a c i d.f l y
That sounds like BS... biggest onboard cache for a chip I've heard of was 8MB, and that was for the Xeon chips, server chips. A home user doesn't need that kind of cache. There's no point.
-Frank
What are you talking about?
a c i d.f l y
05-07-03, 09:50 PM
God damnit... how the hell... I posted this on another post, I meant to, anyways... they were talking about 512mb cache Intel chips.. and I think I'm about as crazy as they are...
-Frank
You posted at the right place :) and about that 512MB cache chip is just a joke and imagination of ours :p
Anaxagoras1986
05-08-03, 06:02 AM
Ok, here are the scores. Keep in mind it is cripled because the memory will only run at 80% of the bus because it is junk so it is actually underclocked but this is what it got. We hope to do a similar thing to it as you did to your friends oops. Hopefully it will get a little higher seeing as how it is a AXP2800 Barton.
CPU: 6323
MEM: 4627
HDD: 1787
CSaddict
05-08-03, 06:15 AM
Here is my Barton. For some reason it says my FSB is 204? http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectdetails&projectType=7&projectId=1283914 Its not, its at 205.
EDIT: Use next posts link insted. This one is broken.
Anaxagoras1986
05-08-03, 06:33 AM
I cant get the link to work. It wants a login and such, is that normal?
CSaddict
05-08-03, 06:38 AM
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1283914 Try that insted. sorry.
Anaxagoras1986
05-08-03, 07:57 AM
Ok that one works. Nice scores. Congrats!
AMDNightmare
05-08-03, 03:39 PM
This forum makes me want to get a barton =)
Originally posted by Anaxagoras1986
Ok, here are the scores. Keep in mind it is cripled because the memory will only run at 80% of the bus because it is junk so it is actually underclocked but this is what it got. We hope to do a similar thing to it as you did to your friends oops. Hopefully it will get a little higher seeing as how it is a AXP2800 Barton.
CPU: 6323
MEM: 4627
HDD: 1787
Yeah my friend only use HyperX PC3000 which cannot break 181MHZ, I tried my Corsair XMS PC3200 in there, which did 210MHZ easily.
Your hdd score is SO high! are you using a SCSI? Or raid 0? I have a raid 0 set up with two WDSE, only got around 1350 points.
Anaxagoras1986
05-08-03, 05:14 PM
RAID 0 with 2x WD SE 80gig drives on a SIL controller card in a PCI. Are you using integrated RAID? BTW this is on a A7N8X.
Well what ****es me off about the mem was that it was rated at PC3200 (400Mhz) and it wont even do 166!!!
Kinda tormenting working on such awesome systems and not being able to burn a copy of them :p :p Mine would be half as bad if it didnt have this acursed GF2!
pcmark is simple to show but is not relible.
At least the Hdd test.
For the same drive I got 668, 644 and 136
How is 136 compariable to 668 ?
Same drive, same machine, same OS - nothing changed.
It is not just 500 points - it is 5 times...
CSaddict
05-08-03, 07:46 PM
Im using 1 80 gig 8meg cache WD. I will get another one when they get the SATA raid ironed out.
CSaddict
05-08-03, 08:01 PM
Upped it some more. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1285216
shogan191
05-08-03, 10:24 PM
Hey Oops nice job. I didn't notice where you said what board you used for your friend. Ahhh, nevermind I see it was an Asus rev.2.
El<(')>Maxi
05-09-03, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by oops
Try lower the multiplier to 10, and then use 220FSB. If the memory cannot handle, then use lower ratio to memory. That's what I did.
My XP2500 is running @ 12.5x166 When I try to raise the fsb things get unstable (PC2700, A7V333).
I want to kick up the FSB so what can I do?
Do I have to change the memory settings in the BIOS? If so, then to what?
And on this chip being "unlocked", wtf are these guys talkin about?
THWG (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-04.html)
"We were forced to consider the subject of overclocking because AMD was not able to send us all three processors immediately for testing. Rather, the lab technicians had to unlock the only Athlon XP"
So it's unlocked already? Fine, but the translation table has to be unlocked? Whats the difference? I did the wire trick to my XP2500 and the multipliers I have available are 5 thru 12.5 on the Asus mobo. If I take the wire off will I get the 13 and up multi's to use? And oops, how did you get the FSB stable at 200 whereas they say "Thus an FSB speed with 200 MHz in the Athlon XP is, for now, just a dream". Voltage? I spent a good 2 hours doing this wire mod so I hope it wasn't in vain.
OCOW -one with alot of questions
Originally posted by OCOW
My XP2500 is running @ 12.5x166 When I try to raise the fsb things get unstable (PC2700, A7V333).
I want to kick up the FSB so what can I do?
Do I have to change the memory settings in the BIOS? If so, then to what?
And on this chip being "unlocked", wtf are these guys talkin about?
THWG (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-04.html)
"We were forced to consider the subject of overclocking because AMD was not able to send us all three processors immediately for testing. Rather, the lab technicians had to unlock the only Athlon XP"
So it's unlocked already? Fine, but the translation table has to be unlocked? Whats the difference? I did the wire trick to my XP2500 and the multipliers I have available are 5 thru 12.5 on the Asus mobo. If I take the wire off will I get the 13 and up multi's to use? And oops, how did you get the FSB stable at 200 whereas they say "Thus an FSB speed with 200 MHz in the Athlon XP is, for now, just a dream". Voltage? I spent a good 2 hours doing this wire mod so I hope it wasn't in vain.
OCOW -one with alot of questions
Is your 2500+ a Barton? The one my friend has is a Barton 2500+(1.83GHZ). The multiplier is unlocked when it was out of the box. All I need to do is to change it in the BIOS. About the 200+FSB, it just happened :) nothing special...after I set multiplier to 10, and lowered the memory ratio to 80%.
El<(')>Maxi
05-09-03, 03:04 AM
Originally posted by oops
Is your 2500+ a Barton? The one my friend has is a Barton 2500+(1.83GHZ). The multiplier is unlocked when it was out of the box. All I need to do is to change it in the BIOS. About the 200+FSB, it just happened :) nothing special...after I set multiplier to 10, and lowered the memory ratio to 80%.
Ya it's a Barton. They don't make a 2500 in any other form.
How do you change the memory ratio?
Cheers:p
Anaxagoras1986
05-09-03, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by Pla
pcmark is simple to show but is not relible.
At least the Hdd test.
For the same drive I got 668, 644 and 136
How is 136 compariable to 668 ?
Same drive, same machine, same OS - nothing changed.
It is not just 500 points - it is 5 times...
Might have been a backround app. The best way to do it would be do it like 3 times and average them together.
-=TriX-R4-KidS=
05-09-03, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by OCOW
How do you change the memory ratio?
Cheers:p
go into your BIOS...the setting youll want to configure is FSB/DRAM ration...look under advanced chipset settings (it might be in another category tho)
Originally posted by OCOW
Ya it's a Barton. They don't make a 2500 in any other form.
How do you change the memory ratio?
Cheers:p
i dont know why youd run 80%. if my math is right that would run your ram at 160clock which is 320ddr. i have a 2500 w/ 2700 ram and run a 190*12. i would try to keep the ram speed in sync w/ cpu. if not you are wasting bandwidth. (200 doesnt matter if you are only utilizing 80% of it with you ram) and w/ a 10 mult you are getting 2000. i think you could do better lowering fsb with a moderately high fsb.
does this make sense? anyone correct me if i am wrong.
btw: what board and ram type do you have etc.
Also the link to THG that talks about translation tables only apply to the barton 3000+. you have to short out 2 connections to open up the lower mults.
you can do the opposite w/ 2500s by blowing a bridge in L5 i believe but dont quote me...research to be sure.
anywho with that open on a 2500 gives you the higher table (13x and up) i prefer lower mult w/ higher fsb tho ;)
Originally posted by Eroc
i dont know why youd run 80%. if my math is right that would run your ram at 160clock which is 320ddr. i have a 2500 w/ 2700 ram and run a 190*12. i would try to keep the ram speed in sync w/ cpu. if not you are wasting bandwidth. (200 doesnt matter if you are only utilizing 80% of it with you ram) and w/ a 10 mult you are getting 2000. i think you could do better lowering fsb with a moderately high fsb.
does this make sense? anyone correct me if i am wrong.
btw: what board and ram type do you have etc.
we were saying "200+ FSB", didn't say it's right at 200FSB. well for my friend's computer, it's actually 10 x 227FSB = 2270MHZ
Originally posted by OCOW
Ya it's a Barton. They don't make a 2500 in any other form.
How do you change the memory ratio?
Cheers:p
There is a BIOS option of changing memory ratio, depend on your motherboard. Some motherboards don't have that option.
xcelerator
05-09-03, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by OCOW
My XP2500 is running @ 12.5x166 When I try to raise the fsb things get unstable (PC2700, A7V333).
I want to kick up the FSB so what can I do?
Do I have to change the memory settings in the BIOS? If so, then to what?
And on this chip being "unlocked", wtf are these guys talkin about?
THWG (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-04.html)
"We were forced to consider the subject of overclocking because AMD was not able to send us all three processors immediately for testing. Rather, the lab technicians had to unlock the only Athlon XP"
So it's unlocked already? Fine, but the translation table has to be unlocked? Whats the difference? I did the wire trick to my XP2500 and the multipliers I have available are 5 thru 12.5 on the Asus mobo. If I take the wire off will I get the 13 and up multi's to use? And oops, how did you get the FSB stable at 200 whereas they say "Thus an FSB speed with 200 MHz in the Athlon XP is, for now, just a dream". Voltage? I spent a good 2 hours doing this wire mod so I hope it wasn't in vain.
OCOW -one with alot of questions
try up your voltage for you memory...
Originally posted by oops
we were saying "200+ FSB", didn't say it's right at 200FSB. well for my friend's computer, it's actually 10 x 227FSB = 2270MHZ
why not run it at say 181 at 100% (in sync w/ sys) w/ a 12.5 mult.?
i am trying to figure out the benefit of having a larger system b/w than the ram b/w.
in other words which is "faster" or "better"?
190*12 (2280) ram in sync.
memory b/w=3040 MB/sec
system b/w=3040 MB/sec
OR
228*10 (2280) ram @ 80%
memory b/w=2918 MB/sec
system b/w=3648 MB/sec
?
you gain system speed but lose ram speed at same proc speed.
anvil82
05-10-03, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Eroc
why not run it at say 181 at 100% (in sync w/ sys) w/ a 12.5 mult.?
i am trying to figure out the benefit of having a larger system b/w than the ram b/w.
A faster FSB will always be faster.
xcelerator
05-10-03, 02:03 AM
true.....makes a big difference
Originally posted by anvil82
A faster FSB will always be faster.
now i will have to test...;)
xlgimmewarlx
05-10-03, 08:48 PM
Why 10x?
Ouch.. that's dead low. Nice overclock though, you may consider 12x200
timmyqwest
05-10-03, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by xlgimmewarlx
Why 10x?
Ouch.. that's dead low. Nice overclock though, you may consider 12x200
?
2ghz is slow?
Originally posted by OCOW
My XP2500 is running @ 12.5x166 When I try to raise the fsb things get unstable (PC2700, A7V333).
I want to kick up the FSB so what can I do?
OCOW -one with alot of questions
your mobo may not like much higher fsb...isnt the default fsb 266 on that board. i had a shuttle ak35gt2r that had a kt333 chipset.
it supported 333 ram but the system bus did not like higher than 266. I couldnt even run my 2500 barton at stock speed (166*11) without crashes :eek:
edit: here is a link to excaliberpc.com with the description of A7V333. its bus is rated for 266. so running 333 as you are is pretty good and may be as high as it will go.
mrpops2ko
05-11-03, 06:38 PM
??
mrpops2ko
05-11-03, 06:39 PM
ow ok I understand I just read it wrong
xcelerator
05-12-03, 12:39 AM
my cpu doesn't clock hi.......:( 2.2ghz i wanna it go pass 2.3ghz
Tomorrow or Saturday my Barton 2500+ with AQUCA 0308 *P*W Stepping comes ... + Watercooling-System... i hope a can post something HIGHER then 2,3 GHz :D
IF not .... :mad:
Cya ... BigDX
After a looooooong oddesy finally my Barton arrived ....
Itīs a Barton 2500+ AQUCA 0308 UPCW (BOXED) (i payed a non-boxed, but received a boxed one :D maybe because i kicked there ...) and have a "artic cooling CS" on it cause my watercooling isnīt still complett!
Anyway ... i tried a bit OC and have with stockvoltage 2172 MHz (XP 3000+) but canīt do very high FSB cause of bad RAM ... and after some hours of stability-test heatproblems ...
Greetz ... BigDX
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