Too Hot?

[ht145]

What is considered to be tooo hot, i'm avg at 57-61 That too hot?

[a c i d.f l y]

Generally speaking, running an average temp at that level runs your cpu's lifespan to be somewhere around 3 years. Between 30 and 40 is optimal. Even lower, is best. But in general, 30-40 it will live longer than it would take to upgrade.

Get a new heatsink, or check the airflow in your case... heck, check the fan on your heatsink, its probably dead.

Stock AMD sinks keep you under 50°C generally speaking without clutter in the case.

-Frank

[ht145]

That's the problem, Got a Pent 4 2.4 Northwood, with a Abit BH7 and a Thermaltake p4 Spark 7. All of this crap is brand new and I have not overclocked it... btw that temp is when my system runs at load. Idle is 45-48

That heatsink/fan must be crap then.

[a c i d.f l y]

Originally posted by ht145
That's the problem, Got a Pent 4 2.4 Northwood, with a Abit BH7 and a Thermaltake p4 Spark 7. All of this crap is brand new and I have not overclocked it... btw that temp is when my system runs at load. Idle is 45-48

That heatsink/fan must be crap then.

Check the cable situation inside your computer. How is the case temp? Ambient temps (temperature of the room)?

Is it the Spark 7+ or the regular Spark 7? Check your ability to up the fan speed if it is the "+" version. That could be your biggest issue.

http://www.thermaltake.com/products/spark/spark7plus.htm

...also consider 'lapping' (mirrorshining the contact on the heatsink to the cpu's core), and adding Arctic Silver if there is none.

-Frank

[a c i d.f l y]

...I just looked up the regular Spark7, it looks to be quite decent as well, solid copper.... maybe its operator error? ;)

-Frank

[DAGO]

Definately seems a bit too warm to me...optimal is below 50°C at load. Sounds like the airflow in your case may need work, or you might need to reinstall that HSF with a little Arctic Silver...
Try taking the side off your case, and if it improves your temps you'll know airflow is the culprit...Lapping can give a few degrees improvement on your temps, but it doesn't really need to be like a mirror...
Keep us posted on your progress... :)

[ht145]

I have no clue... The fan is at max, i did use Artic Silver as well. System temp is 34-37 avg. Room temp is about 75-80 depending on teh time of day.

Only thing i can think of is maybe i put too much Artic Silver on.. but i'm pretty sure i put a decent amount on. But i've heard over doing it will cause temps to rise.

[sangapski]

did you try reseating your HS?
im not sure about your board but some boards report high temps...
system temp looks high too...
hows you case airflow?

[a c i d.f l y]

Originally posted by sangapski
did you try reseating your HS?
im not sure about your board but some boards report high temps...
system temp looks high too...
hows you case airflow?

I agree, that case temp is seems quite high. Typically I've seen 27°C as the norm. It 'seems' that case airflow is your culprit.

-Frank

[ht145]

Gah, Alright i reapplied the Heatsink, with not so much Artic silver this time, (How much should i use?) So either i didnt' put enough this time or.... BAH. Well i took the side panel off and did notice a 3-5 decease in temp. So i reworked the cables and such for better airflow. But what's wrong with my cpu ? why the heck is it getting so dang hot.

[epauls]

Did he say that was with a non-OCed P4??

That seems really high for a P4.

[ht145]

Hasn't been touched... I want to get this baby up but with these temps... that's not a good idea.

[Deadlifter]

Don't be so sure it's not the BH7 itself misreporting the CPU temp. There are plenty of threads over at the ABIT forums about this issue and I am personally experiencing it myself. My 2.4B running 2.7G at stock core voltage reports 12C above system temp at idle and will climb to 25C over system temp under heavy loads like Prime 95 for 1/2 hour. I couldn't get the stock HSF to keep my CPU temp under the bios shutdown temp of 70C so I got an AX-478 and paired it with my 50 CFM sunon fan to bring the temps "down" but I still think the BH7 is reporting almost 10C too high for the CPU temp.

[sangapski]

just put a thin layer AS3 over the P4 heat spreader...
and add some case fans...
also do a search about your boards temp...

[ht145]

Alright, But i did put a super thin layer this time.. few degrees decrease so you think that's good enough? or should i try with a bit more the next time?. And i have two fans in the front blowing air in, and one case fan on the back as the exhaust, plus the Fan on teh Antec power unit blowing out the back. So i'd figure it's getting a descent amount of air flow. Just dont know why it's getting so hot.

[eaglescouter]

From reading this thread it looks like I'm headed for trouble. Ambient went to 95Fin the computer room and my cpu was showing 63C. (temperatures as reported by Asus probe history tool)

I can't find the temperature limits for a P4 in the search tool.

I guess I add a case fan tonight.

[sangapski]

Originally posted by ht145
Alright, But i did put a super thin layer this time.. few degrees decrease so you think that's good enough? or should i try with a bit more the next time?. And i have two fans in the front blowing air in, and one case fan on the back as the exhaust, plus the Fan on teh Antec power unit blowing out the back. So i'd figure it's getting a descent amount of air flow. Just dont know why it's getting so hot.

sounds like AS3 application is fine...
i dont have your board so i cant tell you if there's a prob with
your board reporting temps...
try and do a SEARCH about your boards temp...

[ht145]

Alright, Round 3: This time i put just a bit more than i did the last time and less than i did the first time. So that drops me down to about 50-55 on load... That's still a bit high for my liking. But was better than hitting the 60's. Case temp is about 34-37 avg on load. Hmm how can i see if my mobo is misreading Temp? any suggestions?.

Thanks for all the help

[epauls]

Put your finger on it. If it takes 1-3 minutes before your finger startes to smoke it's around 60C if it takes...

JK of course

[ht145]

LOL, Well I know i shouldn't have done this but i did touch my heatsink with my computer on... The damn thing is barely warm. *sigh*

[sangapski]

Originally posted by ht145
Alright, Round 3: This time i put just a bit more than i did the last time and less than i did the first time. So that drops me down to about 50-55 on load... That's still a bit high for my liking. But was better than hitting the 60's. Case temp is about 34-37 avg on load. Hmm how can i see if my mobo is misreading Temp? any suggestions?.

Thanks for all the help

55C sounds good this time...
try comparing your temps to others that are reporting high temps with the same board...
if theyre pretty much the same then you have nothing to worry about...
im getting high temps as well 55-59C on my P4PE rig (see sig), but found out that a lot of P4PE owners are reporting same temps...

[chasingapple]

Abit Intel based motherboards are reporting 10c higher then they should, Abit is correcting the problem with a future BIOS update.

[ht145]

Originally posted by chasingapple
Abit Intel based motherboards are reporting 10c higher then they should, Abit is correcting the problem with a future BIOS update.

Truly? Woohooo Sooo that would put me barely under the 50's... still too high for a non overclocked machine?

[larva]

There are a few factors at work here:

1) Your heatsink is only average (at best).

2) You have barely adequate case airflow.

3) All the Abit P4 boards show high temperatures, BH7 included.

There is nothing wrong with your cpu, or heatsink installation. You can indeed lop of a few more degrees (and probably quiet the machine at the same time) with a more advanced heatsink. I use (and love) the Thermalright AX478. The Vantec Aeroflow is another very cost-effective design. Sinks like these will reduce your temps by a few degrees.

Larger inprovements would come from improving your case ventilation. I find two really stout 80mm or two medium speed 92mm exhaust fans behind the cpu area in the back of the case are essential to optimal temps. I general exhaust capacity is more important than intake, as whaterver the exhaust fans exhaust must enter the case somewhere.

The Abit boards do read about 5C higher on the cpu temp than any other P4 board. 10C is wishful thinking, 5C is much closer to the truth. This has been an flaw in all the Abit P4 boards, and has peristed through countless BIOS revisions. Don't count on a BIOS fixing your BH7, just learn to live with it.

Very good heatsink and some real case exhaust can reduce you temperatures well below 50C at stock voltage and frequency. Once you reach this level you should be able to overclock the chip for all it's worth and stay below 55C. This is about as low as an Abit is going to read without a silly loud CPU fan.

[irish80122]

Originally posted by ht145
What is considered to be tooo hot, i'm avg at 57-61 That too hot?

I always worry about temps more than I should, I think most of us do. The main question is is the computer stable, if so you are okay. Yes, higher temps will shorten the life of your equiptment, but not to a point where it should make any difference to you. HTH.

[sirtoby]

if you have one more fan slot in the back of the case I'd put a fan there..

ideally you should have as much as air coming in as going out.. but since you have only one in the back (the PSU doesn't affect it that much really) you have more air coming in than out.. so another fan in the back blowing in air would be the ideal situation..

Also remember to have front as intakes and back as exhaust.

[ht145]

I need to get more fans then, What types of fans are good for cases and where can i get them cheap?

[epauls]

You should get Thermaltake smartfan II. Main reason is they are fully adjustable and can go from whisper to huricane to suit what ever you need.

[su root]

I call 50 degrees celcius my "stick around this" mark. Currently, under 100% folding load, mine runs @ 52 depending on the ambient. Idles about 46.

I recently bought a new PSU and fan to quiet things down, dropped me from 62 degrees load to 52 degrees load (56 idle to 46 idle (approx))

[irish80122]

Originally posted by su root
I call 50 degrees celcius my "stick around this" mark. Currently, under 100% folding load, mine runs @ 52 depending on the ambient. Idles about 46.

I recently bought a new PSU and fan to quiet things down, dropped me from 62 degrees load to 52 degrees load (56 idle to 46 idle (approx))

That's pretty impressive, what type of fan did you put in and what did you used to have?

[AlienHack]

I have the same equipment! Abit BH7 & P4 2.4B, The diferences are that mine is oclocked @ 3.55 / 1.65 Volt and that I have watercooling installed. The thing is that I have my GPU on watercooling too and the temps I get from the BH7 are 46 C idle (CPU) and 50-52 with Prim95 . In the begining I thought it was a BH7 prob , misreading temps but when I touch the system (Nortbridge) chip it feels like as the bh7 reports (33 C idle , 40 C with Prime95) . 37 C is the point where you can tell the diference because thats the temp the human body has, below you feel the chip is normaql to cool and above you start feeling the heat, over 40 it feels very hot and if you cant touch it then you are at 50-60C. I intented to write a thread today asking about the temps my cpu should be with this oc, but now I found this thread I through my question here. Are my temps good? Consider the Oc (2.4 running at 3.55 ! stable with 1.65 Volts). Consider that I have my Geforce 4 Ti 4200 on the same watercooling and it is oc too from 225 GPU to 306 . That puts extreme heat on the watercooling system. I live in Greece so ambient temps especially now in summer are high , lets say 27-30 and they get really higher (35 C) in my room which doesnt have a good ventilation....


??Any thoughts?

[Jarhead7236]

i oc'd my P4 1.7 willy to 2125 and was running idle temps in the 31-34C range..running P95 put it at 40-42C max...mobo is MSI 648 Max-L with the same HSF as yours...

[su root]

Originally posted by irish80122
That's pretty impressive, what type of fan did you put in and what did you used to have?
:rolleyes: I meant I bought a new Heatsink & Fan :rolleyes:
Was: Globalwin CAK-I 38 w/ Stock Black-Label Delta 6,900RPM fan, 58dB

Is now: Alpha PAL8045 w/ Panaflo H1A 2,950RPM, 32dB

Dumbest part is that the Panaflo has a better CFM rating, so it pushes more air at way less speed and sound :-/
(As a side note, my Enermax 365W died, so I recently bought a new Enlight 420W, but both of them had the dual-fan, so I doubt that made much of a difference)

[asw7576]

do you want to try open casing? It will drop cpu and system temp. 5C - 10C lower.

[ozziegn]

my 2.4C at 3.6Ghz pegs out to like 58C while being punished with two instances of Prime 95 running for hours.

do I think thats bad? hell no, these chips are made to take much more than that.

[TheGr8s1]

i try and keep mine below 50C even with full load. gonna add more cooling (and more noise). right now im at 30C idle and 40C load. rarely goes above 40C regardless of ambiemt temperatures.