new project

[Crash893]

i am going to shove this......



ITX mobo (http://www.viamainboard.com/product/epia_m_spec.jsp?motherboardId=81)


into this...............
box (http://www.bombaycompany.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&langId=-1&siteId=core&productId=12844)


or this.......... ( i need help desiding)

teachest (http://www.bombaycompany.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&langId=-1&siteId=core&productId=11687)


i think the glass would be cooler but it would be dificult to have the wires come out the back i would have to have the glass cut and also things mgiht get cramped

the teachest is nice and a monitor or lcd could sit on top of it nice ly but tis a little large for what i want

i am also going to add

1X dvd rom ( dont know how yet with the glass)
1X IDE hdd 100 gigs ish
1X wireless keyboard mouse ( optical) combo

wish list items are

1x remote control card for dvd;s and sound ( i plan on hooking this to my tv/ sterio )
1X usb wifi transever ( after ripping off plastic shell it should fit)
2x512 ddr ( not sure what speed since its a via c3 at 1ghz )


items still up in the air
i am limited by one pci slot

sooooooooo

should i go with sound or video and what should i pick
OR if you have a better ide for a pci slot then let me know

also a hsf is reqired i want this thing realllly quiet so im not sure what to pick yet once again suggestions are welcome.


Items i have no idea about

i will also need a smalllll smalllllll psu it doenst need to be over 150 watts atx power connector



any help you can give me is greatly apreshated

feel free to suggest on anything

[Cutter]

Dude u have got to update us and post pics cuz i think this will be a very beautiful HTPC, plus I might copt it later on down the road

LOL;)


you do not need a monitor if you're going to hook it to ur TV, just a thought might save ya some money;)

[LuckyBob]

I think as far as the drive and i/o plate are concerned with cutting the glass, I think the easiest thing to do would be to replace the necessary pannels with Lexan or similar. It'd be a lot easier to work with and you could use some plastic cement on the Lexan to put mounting brackets on.

Good luck ^_^

[CrashOveride]

im sure Capitan slug can help you out with finding stuff to fit in it... i thinkn the mobo takes 2100... newegg has the mobo...and the HS i think is passive...

[blackhabit]

go with the second case choice, it seems smaller and more challenging. also cut the top and put plexi on there, to see in , have fun kep us posted good luck

[rugbyroy]

I like the elephant case. Gives it an indian kinda look...

[Crash893]

Originally posted by Cutter
Dude u have got to update us and post pics cuz i think this will be a very beautiful HTPC, plus I might copt it later on down the road

LOL;)


you do not need a monitor if you're going to hook it to ur TV, just a thought might save ya some money;)

i think im going to get an el cheap o 15inch lcd or something to start out

but it has svideo out so i might use it on th e36 inch tv that is also on my wishlist later on in year

[UnseenMenace]

I run a number of the Mini-ITX systems and as such could probably help with many of your questions, however currently your ideas have no problems where you percieve some and others where you believe there are none..

i think the glass would be cooler but it would be dificult to have the wires come out the back i would have to have the glass cut and also things mgiht get cramped

Heat is not a problem with these systems, I have one of my M1000's running with passive cooling (no fans anywhere on the system at all) sitting on a shelf above the hot water tank in a airing cupboard ( I live in a small place ) and still I get reasonable tempatures and it has never ever crashed... Do not Panic !!

i am also going to add

1X IDE hdd 100 gigs ish

The 'M' Series Mini-ITX motherboards are very resource hungry and I have found that these drive with large buffers work the best on these systems and make a massive difference.

wish list items are

2x512 ddr ( not sure what speed since its a via c3 at 1ghz )

Most People would wish for 2 x sticks of DDR however the ITX 'M' Series motherboards only have 1 ddr slot and although the processor is rated at 1 Ghz on the example you show there is in fact two different cores available at 1 Ghz and the difference between them is noticable.. also do not let the 1 Ghz confuse you from the fact that these generall benchmark out around the performance level of a 600 Celeron and a 800 Duron out performs it by a noticable margin on some tests.. this is the realistic level of performance you should expect.


items still up in the air
i am limited by one pci slot

sooooooooo

should i go with sound or video and what should i pick
OR if you have a better ide for a pci slot then let me know

Depends what you wish to do with it, I personally find its better to leave the onboard sound and graphics as even when disabled some resource leakage occurs and the 'M' Series hardware video decoder can have problems with certain hardware, I have seen seriously bad screen flicker using PCI graphic cards when watching DVD's on this mobo when the card is ok in another mobo.. I have also read of simplar cases and this is what the finger is currently being pointed at.

also a hsf is reqired i want this thing realllly quiet so im not sure what to pick yet once again suggestions are welcome.

The Mini-ITX is seriously quiet right out of the box, to the point where I have rebooted it because I thought it had crashed and in fact my screen has gone into hibernation.. If I want a 100% silent system I generally install large heatsinks without a fan, ( I knew I had a use for those retail AMD sinks )


Items i have no idea about

i will also need a smalllll smalllllll psu it doenst need to be over 150 watts atx power connector.

You can actually run the Mini-ITX on 55w like those found in laptops although they can struggle sometimes on lower quality PSU's.. A 150w makes more sence overall if space is not a problem.


If you require a little more powerfull system it may be worth looking at the slightly larger and more powerfull Flex-ATX and Mini-ATX...
If you can get hold of one, its worth looking at Crommell Systems (http://www.commell-sys.com/Product/SBC/LV-670M.HTM) who have just started shipping the FIRST Mobile Pentium 4 Mini-ITX platform. Unfortunately they are only an industrial manufacturer and supply to people who make Media Centres or Digital Video Recorders and not the computer trade, which kind of makes it hard finding one of these at you local store. Unless your one of the lucky few who knows someone in the know :rolleyes:

[Crash893]

well i think im going to do the glass box

im going to try to cut out a a back plain for it if it breaks then ill go plexi or something like that


i get paid next weekend so thats when ill start

i found my digi camera battery recharger so there will be pictures of what ill be doing

if anyone has a clever idea on how to get the cdrom in there im all ears

there are three options as far as i can tell

1 mount it in side so you open the lid up and hit the button and it comes straight up and you put it in

2 som how underneth with a laptop one ( dont know awbout this one

3 cut a small slit in the glass and get one of thouse feed in types of cd players ( can you window mod thouse type?)

[Crash893]

im not quite sure i follow the part of your post about the video leakage


( its late ill re read in the morning)

anyway i know via's suck compared to a eqivlant pentium or amd

but they also run much much cooler ( some in the 600 range still have a passive hsf)

i plan on doing dvd's with the system or useing some screen savers to display on the tv / lcd
surf the web
play little java games like one web page

i would like no hassle with the dvd player so a medium duty vid card should do ( yes?)

any suggestions with the vid card ( i have a old voodoo 3 i can reclame from a freind but id rahter no (unless a new card is out of this world expensive))

as far as itx standard im not really set in stone on it

as long as it fits in a 6.5 X 12 1/4 X 9 1/4 inch box i think i can manage it

any linkage is greatly greatly appreshated

oh also any 1u psu's you know where to find wuld help too

[UnseenMenace]

Originally posted by Crash893
well i think im going to do the glass box
2 som how underneth with a laptop one ( dont know awbout this one

I generally use DVD / CDRW combo laptop drives for mine, as these still keep with the small as possible ideal and can be mounted horizontaly or vertically.. you do need adaptors to convert the IDE cable to that required by the laptop drive though, all good ITX stockists will be able to supply you with this

[UnseenMenace]

Originally posted by Crash893
im not quite sure i follow the part of your post about the video leakage

( its late ill re read in the morning)

Ill try to explain in more detail the resource problem, I have over time taken specific PCI graphic cards like a TNT2 and placed them in my 'M' Series Mini-ITX based systems and discovered that when I play a DVD though the TV out's on these cards, the memory usage is excessive, far greater than if the graphic card is used for the same task in a normal full sized system or the non 'm' series Mini-ITX systems. Having spoken to various people about this situation ( not really a problem, but something you should be aware of ) I believe that this is because of the 'hardware' MPEG decoder on the 'M' series mobo which prefers to use the onboard graphics for TV out

anyway i know via's suck compared to a eqivlant pentium or amd

but they also run much much cooler ( some in the 600 range still have a passive hsf)

The 'M' Series and systems above 993 mhz all have fans, although these are tiny and can be compared to the heatsinks used on AMD northbridges in general.. I personally buy high performance northbridge heatsinks (without fans) and lap them flat and passively cool these systems.. I have even used normal full sized heatsinks (without fans).. I do not want quiet, I want silent :D

i plan on doing dvd's with the system or useing some screen savers to display on the tv / lcd
surf the web
play little java games like one web page

i would like no hassle with the dvd player so a medium duty vid card should do ( yes?)

With what you state that you would be doing with the system, I would believe that the onboard graphics and onboard TV-out would be most suitable and the easiest solution.. Obviously installing a graphic card adds to the heat and size of the system and unless you are attempting to play 3D games which require such, simply put why bother.

any linkage is greatly greatly appreshated

How about these !!!

Mini ITX ( Shop and Mod Site ) (www.mini-itx.com)

LinITX ( Shop and Site and Forums Dedicated to Running Linux on the ITX Platform (http://linitx.com/)

I personally run Linux on these systems as it handles memory more effectively than Windows which is important imho, because the onboard graphics, TV out and sound all suck of the system resources, I personally find that a good distro which has DVD software, Open Office. and a few games offers the best solution for me, with regards to having a system which is a joy to use.
My distro of choice is either SuSE 8.0 up to 8.2 or Redhat 7.3.. as these generally work the best from my experience, the only problem you have is the graphic card drivers are not recognized from default, however binarys can be found on Via's website.. The onboard Network card, Firewire, Sound anre generally problem free...
Windows 98 works pretty well on these systems as well. Windows XP however runs like a three legged dog unless you spend a great deal of time tweaking it and even then opening a large file in an application like Office gives you nothing but the endless enjoyment of watching the hour glass for a while... which quicky becomes frustrating.

[Crash893]

i think im going to dual boat it between a linux ( witch i want to learn) and windows 98 ( just so i can know what im doing and play some win games)

anybody know the dimentions of a 1u psu ( or are they all diffrent?)

[UnWishedLegacy]

Don't know if these can be bought in the USA but I stumbles upon THIS (http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/product.php?view=5448) the other day in a UK based Dot.Com.

A Pentium4 in an Mini-ITX sized Mobo. Again- only one Dimm socket. so if heat isn't a problem you might want to consider this.

The dimentions of a 1U PSU can be found at the www.linitx.com shop- but it heats up VERY quickly because of it's cramped interior.
I would recomend a Flex-Atx PSU and LapTop parts.

FYI- I put a whole PC setup (ITX Mobo, full size CD Rom & HD, 1U PSU...) in an A3 Box File (would have been A4 but the CD Rom is big by a matter of centimeters). Keep an eye on the Front Page- Its about time I sent my yearly project to Joe. slightly better than my first one.

[Crash893]

do you think i should pick aboard with sdram or go for ddr

i found this board "VIA EPIA V8000 Mini-ITX Mainboard" that has two dimms of sdram

what would be better

[UnseenMenace]

First of I would decide upon what I require the overall size of the system to be. In my mind the MiniFlex-ATX's such as that in the link Legacy posted will never be as small as a Mini-ITX for the simple reason it requires a larger heatsink than ITX not to mention more a P4 requires power than the C3 which in turn requires a better and usually larger PSU, things like this effect system size greatly as does cooling..
Cooling conserations need to be made as well... I mean would you passively cool a P4 of any discription ?.. and this obviously effects where it can go.
Look at the systems dimesions, use and build more than specification and look at that as a secondary thing

If you go for a Flex or Mini ( SFF / Small Form Factor ) ATX system them these often ship with two ram slots however ITX only ship with one on the 'M' Series as size is an important consideration for these mobos'
If buying a Mini-ITX system I would personally would only go for the DDR based system (although I own both) and look for a reasonable amount of ram as the onboard graphics and stuff rob greatly from the system memory.. 512 mb PC2100 and these systems run like a dream.
If buying a 1 gig 'M' Series i would definitely look at what core you are getting ( Theres two different cores )..

Do not buy ITX for overclocking they really do not like it much :(

[UnseenMenace]

Originally posted by Crash893
i found this board "VIA EPIA V8000 Mini-ITX Mainboard" that has two dimms of sdram

I do not believe that this will offer any major benefit to most people

[Crash893]

okay updates

im ordering the glass box

i will then procede to make paper dummy parts and arange them to see what i can get away with

the jury is still out on the cd/dvd /rw /whatever rom

i am still takeing canidates for mobos so please any suggestions or canidates at all just post a link and whell have a big vote or soemthing

[Crash893]

and do you think 512 of ram or 256

vote according to what you would pay for

[CrashOveride]

i would get 512 of the cheapes ram you can get (maybe Buffalo?)

[Crash893]

i dont want it all wiggy on me

i will probably go with kingson or whoever else is kinda brand name

[CrashOveride]

Buffalo seems pretty good, i know their higher end moduals use winbond and have done very will in reviews... and they are cheap... suit yourself however:D

[Crash893]

okay sounds good then

ive just had soooooooo much trouble with ram i buy online i hate dealing with rma's

[UnseenMenace]

I personally use Kingmax PC2100 as when you read the reviews regarding this make of memory ( on the front of overclockers.com ), it runs very well on lower voltages and because a great deal of these systems use low power it makes a lot of sence, the Kingmax also has a low profile, some DDR have dimensions which are larger than others and can become the highest point on the system if no additional PCI cards are fitted. I would personally use 512 due to everything being onboard.. this amount of memory runs makes a very nice system.

With regards to what (SFF, small form factor ) I would suggest it would have to be Flex-ATX.. I believe that some mobos that if you run a lot of the components close together such as on the smaller MINI-ATX create additional heat problems and can be flakey and unpredicatable in every sence of the word.. in the small ATX based systems Flex is as small as I would personally go and Celeron is the processor I would use, the other processors just create to much heat.
If buying SFF.. buy a high quality make

With regards to the ITX platform I would suggest a ME6000 if you only want active cooling ie no processor fan ( 600Mhz Eden Processor, Embedded MPEG-2 decoder, 6 Channel audio, 10/100 Ethernet, USB 2, Firewire and TV-Out support / Takes DDR Memory ) or if you want more power look at the M9000 ( 933Mhz C3 Processor, Embedded MPEG-2 decoder, 6 Channel audio, 10/100 Ethernet, USB 2.0, Firewire and TV-Out support.

The reason I reccomend the M9000 over the M1000 is that the difference in performance is seriously marginal and more noticable imho is the increase in price, if you do decide to go for a M1000 ensure that you get a Nehemiah M10000 and not a M1000 with a Ezra-T core

[Crash893]

i think ill stick with the 9000 witch was my or 6000
itx

i want s video out but if i get a flex atx board i will probably have to buy a card

shame about the only 1 ram slot

512 sounds good for now i guess as ram getts cheaper i can always go to the big 1g

im not to worried about the ram being high but ill keep it in mind

[Crash893]

update****************************************

im a little ****ed off about the glass box ( its apparently out of stock for 6 weeks

i will try to go to the mall's bombay and see if they have one in stock

[Crash893]

UPDATED

okay i got the glass box after scowering the GD earth
i finally got one im having my parents pick it up ( since i had to work the middle shift)

ill take a few quick shots of it and post them later

next reqirement is getting the PSU and the MOBO ( witch is still at a certian level of indesision)

[Crash893]

anybody know a 1u psu maker in the USA

it seems like all this micro itx stuff is in england

[SpeeDj]

How big a PSU, wattage wise do you need ?

J :cool:

[Crash893]

im thinking a 1u psu around 200 watts or 150

its going to be the mobo a hdd a cdrom and some usb prerials

the mobo is ultra low power so i dont think i would ned much more than that

i see there are two diffretn psu standardsd for 1u

1) 150mm*81.5mm*40.6mm long skinny one
2) 4 3/8in* 2.5in*4 7/8in more of a square

im going to make a paper mock up and see witch one fits better

i also want to do some ducting ( not like big but point the air in and back out a set of holes in the bottom)

[Crash893]

UPDATE

got the box and it is FANTASTIC not quite as deep as i expected but the little elephants are to blame since bombay measures the outside not the inside

anyway the micro itx mobo fits in with about a 1 mabey 1.4 inchs to the back perfect for what i need ( i dont think ill need to cut the glass)

im makeing mockup psu and stuff now to play around with the lay out

does anyone know how tall a micro itx board is?

[Crash893]

as usuall

sorry i promised you pics of the case but the second i focoused on the box the cameras battery went dead

figures

anyway ill try to get you more later

[Crash893]

UPDATE*****************

i purchased teh via epia m10,000 for 162 ( cheapest i could find)

im still not sure if im going with a full size hdd(S) or what

or if im going to mabey go with a remote power supply

i really want to fit it all in there but we will see.

[Ben721]

Are you going to have any lighting in the box?

[Crash893]

that remains to be seen

all the iceing stuff is on hold right now

i will see how much room i have and more importantly how much cash i have left

im thinking of all sorts of neat stuff but it all costs a lot

any cool ideas you guys think of let me know ill give you credit if i use it

right now my biggest technical / finahal hurttles are

in order of most pain in the assness
dvd ( mabey cdr) rom ( mabey slim line)
psu where to get it cheap and cram it in there
hdd ( full size or laptop)

[64Thunderbolt]

if you can get the glass panel out or send me the diamentions, I can cut that glass with the waterjet... it would look really kool with real glass in it!!!!

Charlie

[Crash893]

thank you for the offer

i may take you up on it

thought the glass is going to be kinda hard to get out ( its backed by wood thats glued and nailed)

[Crash893]

UPDATE

got the sparkle 200watt ball bearting 1u psu

looks fannnntastic

im going to take some pictures tongith and post them monday at work ( still dont have interent)

[Captain Slug]

Originally posted by Crash893
i really want to fit it all in there but we will see.

If you give me the internal measurements and what parts you want to fit in there I can use my 3D software to plan the most efficient usage of space.

My link recommendations for parts

www.idot.com (Minit-ITX boards and IDE adapter fors laptop drives)
www.power-on.com (flex ATX power supplies)

[Crash893]

that would help alot


ill get them to night

its a standard cdrom

a standard size hdd

the mobo is 17cm x 17 cm by about 2 inch tall at the hiest point

and the psu is 220L x 84W x 40.5H mm

ill get teh case measurements tonight

[340Duster]

I didn't get the link for the box to load. And Captain what solid modeling prog do you use?

[Crash893]

yea i think they dont sell it anymore

okay it picture time


This is the case

i had to pull up this black velvet stuff on the bottom but when i did it left this nasty gunk and black hair all over so ive been cleaning it out for about 3 days now and its finally almost all up

( the stuff in there now is windex it made the stuff come up for some reason)

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/cPicture-012.jpg

i can cram the cdrom in there but there are thses little bars to keep the glass in that are just a hair to big ( to put it on the floor direct) and a hair to small to support it by the beams them selfs

so it like slants i think ill get a piece of plexy and put it as a bridge

[Crash893]

This is the IR remote that i plan on useing i had to take it out of its plastic shell since it didnt really serve a porpose besides holding the remote ( this way its smaller)

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/cPicture-014.jpg

This is the cF reader that i plan on mounting on a pience of plexi glass or something sticking stratigh up so i can display pictures on the tv screen like a silde show.



http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/cPicture-015.jpg

[Crash893]

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/cPicture-016.jpg

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/cPicture-017.jpg

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/DPicture-019.jpg

[Crash893]

http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/cPicture-018.jpg

im going to applogyize of this shot


i was in a hurry and didnt relize i was saveing these as high compresion gifs

and then i converted them to jpegs and well as you can see it was less than good


anway thats the front with the cdrom on the bottom left powsupply on the botom right

then mobo top left and hdd top right


the cdrom and hdd are just stand ins till i can get a slot load dvd and a hdd that doesnt suck


there is about a inch to inch and a half space between the cdrom and powersupply and i think thats where im going to put the remote

[UnseenMenace]

very nice, indeed.. look forward to seeing it finished.. decided on a OS yet ?

[Crash893]

right now it looks like xp pro since i A) have a extra licneces for it and B) know how to use it

i may do dual boat between that and redhad or mandrax or something but im like extra retarted in linux so that will be a while.

i probably wont be able to buy more stuf for it till like july 5 ish

but i am planing on getting a pain of glass and testing the dremmel on it so i can make my slit for the slot load cd

any recmendations on what bit to use

[Captain Slug]

Originally posted by 340Duster
I didn't get the link for the box to load. And Captain what solid modeling prog do you use?
I use a cheap program called Milkshape 3D. It's actually meant for Game models but it's so easy for scratch building 3D models that I use it for alot of stuff.

http://www.swissquake.ch/chumbalum-soft/

I already have a gaggle of stock computer part models built
pc-bits.zip (236KB) (http://members.aol.com/captainslg/pc-bits.zip)

[Crash893]

thanks

ill have to wait a wile to use it

i dont have a 3d card at wrok

and my home sistem doenst have internet access till the end of june ( just moved)


i appreshate the link

[Crash893]

okay update timmmmmmmmmmmmmmme

"yea and you thoght it was rain"

okay i got my 512 pc2100 ddr ram

tried it out and everything booted quick as a flash

i took some pictures

all i need now is a hdd and a keyboard mouse combo

anysuggestions on a standard hdd

i was thinking something like 100gig 8mb cache

i dont know what company yet

any way you all can think to secure this to a plexi glass sheet?

[UnseenMenace]

I personally run the 8mb WD Drives in all my Mini-ITX systems and find that these are fantastic, the 8mb cache really helps with performance and resources.... On a system which shares everything any help you can get is a bonus :D

[Crash893]

8mb it is

any recomendations

would you do two 40gigs with 8mb or would you do one 100gig with 8mb

[WejRepus]

i'd use 1 100 and then partition it off as needed

[Crash893]

wouldnt you get better preformance out of 2

im not saying i am going to do 2 but hypothicaly speaking


i think i am going to go with the (1) 100gig drive

what brand should i get

( i dont do to much with hdd's so im not up on what brands suck and what brands dont)

[Crash893]

*****************************************
yea another update

okay i got a 160gig western digital hdd with 8mb cache

how ever i am now faced with something of a delmia
becuase it will only recgnise 127 on board sooooo


do i

1) leave it be ( at 127 gigs) and worry about it alter
2) use up my only pci slot for the ide card
2a) it may not fit btw too tall

3) buy some sort of flexible riser for the pci slot and install it that way

4) put the 160 in my computer then take my 2 40's out of that comptuer and put them in the glass computer?

[UnseenMenace]

I would personally partition a drive that large into two which would also solve your current problem anyway

[Crash893]

that i did not know

two 75's and a 10 for the os sound good?

[UnseenMenace]

sounds fantastic to me :D

[Crash893]

do you think 10 is big enogh for xp?

i think im going to make a ceperate 20 gig drive a liniux os


i completed the plexi glass bottom shelf now im on a mad hunt to find mobo stand offs so i can secure the cd-rom and psu to the plexi

[Nico3k]

10 should be more than enough for XP, i am running 2ksp3 on a 3gb partition.

i am currently still working on my mini-itx setup. i also have a great challenge because i cannot have moving parts in it (no fans, no hdds). i bought a 1gb compact flash card and an IDE adaptor for it and i am running knoppix linux on it which is customized to fit my needs.

i was wondering, where did you get your PSU and how much was it? i am in need of one because my micro-atx psu died.

[Nico3k]

here is a picture of my itx in my case (a stripped sega saturn)
http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/nico3k-itx1.jpg
and the pic of an LCD screen i bought for the itx
http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/nico3k-itx2.jpg
there will be no moving parts and i have to somehow squeeze a PSU in there somewhere.

[countermods]

i have a small psu came out of an emachine i could prolly give u if u can pay shipping its 150 or 200 watts it sittin in my desk draw

[Crash893]

sparkle is the name of the company

it has a fan in it

it cost around 60 bucks

[UnseenMenace]

Originally posted by Nico3k
10 should be more than enough for XP, i am running 2ksp3 on a 3gb partition.

i am currently still working on my mini-itx setup. i also have a great challenge because i cannot have moving parts in it (no fans, no hdds). i bought a 1gb compact flash card and an IDE adaptor for it and i am running knoppix linux on it which is customized to fit my needs.

i was wondering, where did you get your PSU and how much was it? i am in need of one because my micro-atx psu died.

It appears to me that you are running a 'M' Series ITX.... Are you haveing any driver problems with respect to the MPEG Decoder and DVD playback or the TV out ?

[UnseenMenace]

I have a fanless PSU out of a laptop in my Mini-ITX

[Crash893]

good news and bad news

good news is

i am talking to your right now from the working machine

bad new is its all in a pile beucase im having a hard time mounting it into the said box

i will get some pictures of it after i unsteal my digital camera back from my girlfreind


i do have some questions about the via m1000

in device manager what is the network adapter called i have a driver for the board becuase the lan isnt working ( i have a nic from another computer in there currently) but it gives me 4 options " via vt6105m Rhine III Management Adapter

and 3 other similar ones( i can write them all down if you need more info)


any help would be cool

thanks pics c omiong soon