View Full Version : Barton Stepping Vote!
OC-Master
05-18-03, 01:41 PM
Give your thoughts upon which stepping is the best! Owners of specific steppings are welcome to post there max stable o/c here as well.
AQUCA
AQUCB
AQXCA
AQUDA
AQXDA
AQXEA
AQZEA
OC-Master
OC-Master
05-19-03, 10:19 AM
Well, Donny_Paycheck,, what speed can you attain without using prometia with your AQUBC Chip? I'm gonna guess 2.40GHz?
OC-Master
I hope Barton owners keep us updated. The other threads seem to have sporadic results.
I've been watching the Barton 2500+ threads like a hawk from OC-Master since I'm in the market for one that will hopefully hit 2.4Ghz.
-efini
timmyqwest
05-19-03, 01:09 PM
Crap, i dunno my stepping off hand but i think it's an AQUAC
i THINK...keyword
AMD Barton 2500+ AXDA2500DKV4D AQUCA0307XPDW
@ 2.3 GHz (170.37*13.5) 1.825 V Core
watered 33 C idle 47 C full load
This is 100% stable at 1.825 V - 1 month 24/7 folding, 24+ hours prime95, many hours ut2003
It was 99% stable at 1.8 V Core
AQUC0307vpaw
Im @ 2260mhz=12.5x180fs 38c load right now 100% stable.(1,9v) & 2285mhz = about 95% stable but got kicked out of 3DMark now & then but scored better @ 2260mhz.
ive had i stable in windows @ 2300mhz 12.5x184fsb 40c load (1.95v)but cant benchmark yet. it did the same in my A7V8X (13x177fsb) .
with the temps being what they are i think 2400mhz isnt out of reach, but im going water(chilled) soon. i'd like to get alittle closer to donnys speed's if i can but only if i bench higher.
Originally posted by efini
I hope Barton owners keep us updated. The other threads seem to have sporadic results.
I've been watching the Barton 2500+ threads like a hawk from OC-Master since I'm in the market for one that will hopefully hit 2.4Ghz.
-efini
Thats you and me both, looks like the AQUCA is winning so far.
Ive looked all over the web and that seems to be the one with the best results. So far ive read mixed results about the AQXCA stepping but its prolly to early to tell still.
I gotta make my choice soon though im getting anxious kinda feel like im 5 years old at xmas time hehe
Tex
I have 2500+ AQUCA0306
ran for sure stable as my sig states and then ran w/no crashes @ 2300 (200*11) @ 1.85Vcore after a bios update.
did not test whole machine (gaming, etc.) but it ran seti fine for days. Also not sure if bios actually helped, but anyway :-/
irish80122
05-19-03, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Eroc
I have 2500+ AQUCA0306
ran for sure stable as my sig states and then ran w/no crashes @ 2300 (200*11) @ 1.85Vcore after a bios update.
did not test whole machine (gaming, etc.) but it ran seti fine for days. Also not sure if bios actually helped, but anyway :-/
I have the same stepping, and I am only at 2.1, but I am still in the search for the perfect stable OC. I think I can at least go 2.2.
Originally posted by irish80122
I have the same stepping, and I am only at 2.1, but I am still in the search for the perfect stable OC. I think I can at least go 2.2.
Man, w/that 3200 ram you have you should be able to hit 200 clock speed with a lower mult. possibly. that should yield you good results.
btw: what is your current Vcore?
EspElement
05-20-03, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Pla
AMD Barton 2500+ AXDA2500DKV4D AQUCA0307XPDW
@ 2.3 GHz (170.37*13.5) 1.825 V Core
watered 33 C idle 47 C full load
This is 100% stable at 1.825 V - 1 month 24/7 folding, 24+ hours prime95, many hours ut2003
It was 99% stable at 1.8 V Core
How you geting this 13.5 multi? they only get 12.5? do the newest stepings have them inabled?
tweaker
05-20-03, 05:06 AM
(aqxca) 0302=a very nice over clock for me...2500+@2400mhz(200fsb 12 mult)
i believe i still have room for more speed after i install maze2 block and 226w pelt..
radman..
Sir Barton
05-20-03, 08:48 AM
AQUCA0304 perfectly stable 2400MHz (192x12.5) 1.775V
37C idle/44C load.
irish80122
05-20-03, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Eroc
Man, w/that 3200 ram you have you should be able to hit 200 clock speed with a lower mult. possibly. that should yield you good results.
btw: what is your current Vcore?
My Vcore is 1.85, my wonderful mobo won't let me go higher, which sucks. I have my memory set to run at 200 right now, which it does, but when I had my system running at 11*200, while it would run, it would also freeze some and bomb prime which worried me. I had a really bad PSU back then though, so I may try it now that I have a Sparkle (even though my 12V bar is low :( ). I think I can go higher, I just have to find out what is causing my problems when I go to 200, and maybe play around and try to get around it, because I know the memory can hit it. I am just not so sure about the processor, though it should handle that I would think. I really want to match a 3200!!!
donny_paycheck
05-20-03, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by OC-Master
Well, Donny_Paycheck,, what speed can you attain without using prometia with your AQUBC Chip? I'm gonna guess 2.40GHz?
OC-Master
No idea, because I never tried. But I say your guess is right on the money, since it starts needing a lot of voltage once I pass 2.5ghz.
I can hit 2.2 or so with 1.65v and up to 2.5 at 1.85v, but above that requires a lot more voltage.
anvil82
05-20-03, 01:46 PM
Isn't this thread kinda useless unless we know the mobo, and ram? :(
donny_paycheck
05-20-03, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by anvil82
Isn't this thread kinda useless unless we know the mobo, and ram? :(
Well, sort of. But if we're talking about CPU-specific clock speeds then the motherboard and RAM really aren't as important as they normally are. I mean, you could theoretically run a Barton at 3ghz on a KT133A chipset board if the multiplier would go high enough. I think OC Master's just asking about clock speeds local to the CPU.
Originally posted by Sir Barton
AQUCA0304 perfectly stable 2400MHz (192x12.5) 1.775V
37C idle/44C load.
excellent oc. especially on an a7V...what is your divider? and what did you do to push the clock up (burn in method, etc.) I could only get 2300 @ (200*11) but could not run 190*12.5.
edit: both were @ 1.85Vcore
Originally posted by EspElement
How you geting this 13.5 multi? they only get 12.5? do the newest stepings have them inabled?
Tbed and bartons are unlocked. Your mobo has to be able to read all 5 bits for the multi.
If it doesn't then you have to manually set the fifth bit with wire trick to go above 12.5. My board does read/set 5 bits so no wire tricks needed.
Originally posted by EspElement
How you geting this 13.5 multi? they only get 12.5? do the newest stepings have them inabled? i dont know why but the NForce boards wont go above 12.5 but the kt400's will, also i noticed at least my RGA wont go below 9.5 , if you do it posts @ 11x100 go figure:confused:
donny_paycheck
05-20-03, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by bill
i dont know why but the NForce boards wont go above 12.5 but the kt400's will, also i noticed at least my RGA wont go below 9.5 , if you do it posts @ 11x100 go figure:confused:
Me too, dude. Check my sig. If I could get above 12.5x I'd be able to break 2750mhz.
-=A][A=-cazman
05-20-03, 11:12 PM
So do you guys think it's worth upgrading a JIUHB 1700 to a barton 2500? I was looking at newegg and they are about 125 right now...............very tempting.
EspElement
05-21-03, 12:10 AM
i got my cpu but its the normal stepping AXUCA <--- guess... not your of it right now> i got it at 200*11 right now just running prime95. Probably over night heh
specific
05-21-03, 12:06 PM
AQUCA 0309
http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/2341@195fsb.JPG
that's my highest rock solid stable prime95 running clock speed at 195fsb & 1.95v
http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/sandra2341@195fsb.JPG
that's the sandra cpu @ 2341
http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/pcmark2341@195.JPG
that's also @ 2341
i've made it do 2505, and i haven't gone over 2.15v, but prime keeps crashing after 6 or 7 hours.
this chip is iffy at 200fsb
http://www.theforumisdown.com/uploadfiles/0103/pcmark2505.JPG
there's my pcmark at 2505
Sir Barton
05-21-03, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Eroc
excellent oc. especially on an a7V...what is your divider? and what did you do to push the clock up (burn in method, etc.) I could only get 2300 @ (200*11) but could not run 190*12.5.
edit: both were @ 1.85Vcore
my divider is 1/5, but at 192MHz the PCI bus is at the high end of the 38MHz spectrum. i tried for 193MHz @ 39MHz PCI and got some HDD corruption. i ran prime 95 in 4 12 hour sessions, along with a few 8 hour sessions of toast @ 1.85V. what stepping is your chip? also ive heard that die color on these chips is an OCing factor as well, blue die OCs nicely, red die poorly.
guys, where are you getting the AQUCA OR AQXCA bartons from??? how about newegg???
id like to know how to look for the revision version of my a7v333 also, since only 2.0s support bartons :(
Originally posted by Sir Barton
my divider is 1/5, but at 192MHz the PCI bus is at the high end of the 38MHz spectrum. i tried for 193MHz @ 39MHz PCI and got some HDD corruption. i ran prime 95 in 4 12 hour sessions, along with a few 8 hour sessions of toast @ 1.85V. what stepping is your chip? also ive heard that die color on these chips is an OCing factor as well, blue die OCs nicely, red die poorly.
for my stepping check my sig. as far as color goes i dont know. looking at it, it looked blue (in sunlight/white light) but it looked red under an incandescent. hmm :confused:
i dont know to believe it or not. what do you have?
specific
05-21-03, 02:47 PM
my barton was a retail chip from newegg, two weeks ago
now i'm priming at 2401, 192fsb, 2.1v
so far so good
the biggest hurdle for my chip is fsb
i might try a northbridge waterblock
hitechjb1
05-21-03, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by specific
my barton was a retail chip from newegg, two weeks ago
now i'm priming at 2401, 192fsb, 2.1v
so far so good
the biggest hurdle for my chip is fsb
i might try a northbridge waterblock
That is good oc and good perofrmance.
It is good to see Barton can take higher Vcore than the Tbred B 1700+ DLT3C, which seems to take 2V max.
Also 2.4 GHz Barton should outperform a 2.5 GHz 1700+.
EspElement
05-21-03, 06:22 PM
i know dude i had mine at 200*12 = 2.4 and i had to have like a 2.1 vcore.... but it still wasnt stable
i tried 210*11.5=2.402
still 2.1 vcore.... not stable :(
oh yea its a AQUCA :)
Originally posted by EspElement
i know dude i had mine at 200*12 = 2.4 and i had to have like a 2.1 vcore.... but it still wasnt stable
i tried 210*11.5=2.402
still 2.1 vcore.... not stable :(
oh yea its a AQUCA :)
why not try what specific has...(192*12.5) @ 2.1Vcore? may be the best of fsb and cpu speed.
EspElement
05-21-03, 08:44 PM
i will try that sometime im geting 2.3 out of mine at 208*11.5
just running diff things
Originally posted by bill
Newegg $125.
you sure i will get an acuca from there??? this must justify $50 increase in price over the dl3tc xpmw from excaliberpc.com
or just answer... is the $50 increase over the dl3tc 1700 really worth the performance gain???
EspElement
05-21-03, 10:31 PM
hell yes it is!!!!!!!!! :)
hitechjb1
05-22-03, 12:47 AM
I did some power calculation for Barton, it looks real good compared to the Tbred B 1700+ DLT3C.
Barton 2500+
rated frequency 1833 MHz (FSB 333)
rated voltage 1.65V
current 41.4 A max, 32.5 A typical
power 68.3 W max, 53.7W typical
max die temp 85 C
So if you can oc the Barton to 2.5 GHz at 2V,
active power (typical) = 53.7 x (2 x 2 x 2.5) / (1.65 x 1.65 x 1.833) = 108 W
active power (max) = 68.3 x (2 x 2 x 2.5) / (1.65 x 1.65 x 1.833) = 137 W
Observation:
The active power (typical) of Barton 108 W at 2V is less than that of 1700+ 128 W at 1.9V, assume both oc'ed to 2.5 GHz.
The max power per Vcore of Barton 137 W at 2V is less than the 135 W at 1.9V for the 1700+, assume both oc'ed to 2.5GHz.
I used 2V for Barton and 1.9V for the 1700+.
I think it is because the 1700+ is a high current CPU to begin with, even it is rated at lower Vcore 1.5V.
So in this sense, the Barton is much better, especially if Barton can be oc'ed to 2.4+ GHz and when the price drops lower. The Barton above 2.38 MHz will then be faster than a 1700+ at 2.5 GHz (assuming the 512KB L2 has a 5% average performance advantage), and cooler (less power and power density, bigger die area) !!!
irish80122
05-22-03, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by hitechjb1
I did some power calculation for Barton, it looks real good compared to the Tbred B 1700+ DLT3C.
2500+
rated frequency 1833 MHz (FSB 333)
rated voltage 1.65V
current 41.4 A max, 32.5 A typical
power 68.3 W max, 53.7W typical
max die temp 85 C
So if you can oc the Barton to 2.5 GHz at 2V,
the power (typical) = 53.7 x (2 x 2 x 2.5) / (1.65 x 1.65 x 1.833) = 108 W
the power (max) = 68.3 x (2 x 2 x 2.5) / (1.65 x 1.65 x 1.833) = 137 W
Observation:
The power (typical) of Barton 108 W at 2V is less than that of 1700+ 128 W at 1.9V, assume both oc to 2.5 GHz.
The max power per Vcore of Barton 137 W at 2V is less than the 135 W at 1.9V for the 1700+, assume both oc to 2.5GHz.
I used 2V for Barton and 1.9V for the 1700+.
I think it is because the 1700+ is a high current CPU to begin with, even it is rated at lower Vcore 1.5V.
So in this sense, the Barton is much better, esp if Barton can be oc'ed to 2.4+ GHz and when the price drops lower. The Barton will then be faster than a 1700+ at 2.5 GHz and cooler (less power and power density, bigger die area) !!!
Awesome job! I am not quite sure what it all means, with my newbiness and all, but it is good to hear someone back up their opinion with facts! This is especially true when the opinion goes my way, being a 2500+ owner!
treepop
05-22-03, 03:11 AM
I knew I shouldn't have sold my barton 2500+ o how ignorent was I:cry:....o well I should be fine runnen at 2.3 24/7 with my $70 proc :-D WOOT!...gunna snatch me a 2500+ BARTON! as soon as price drops enough....LONG LIVE AMD!! man I am excited to mess with a Barton again....first gunna get me a worthy graphics card then some super fast hayperX ram :-D:eek:
2286mhz=12.5x182fsb=37c idel 40c load
i just ran sandra 8551=dhrystone 3459=whetstone, it seems completely stable ill know better in a few hours. i think 2300mhz may be the max on air for this chip. im @ 1.925v= bios 1.9=usdm?
i dont know how much higher i should push it ? wad da ya tink?
wadau runnin ?
Sir Barton
05-22-03, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Eroc
for my stepping check my sig. as far as color goes i dont know. looking at it, it looked blue (in sunlight/white light) but it looked red under an incandescent. hmm :confused:
i dont know to believe it or not. what do you have?
i have the blue die, looked at it under my flourescent fish aquarium bulb. the aquarium bulbs are good for looking at the die, as they bring out the red more easily.
Originally posted by PhobMX
you sure i will get an acuca from there??? this must justify $50 increase in price over the dl3tc xpmw from excaliberpc.com
or just answer... is the $50 increase over the dl3tc 1700 really worth the performance gain??? thats where i got mine about 3 weeks ago, maybe someone has got 1 since then , put out a thread asking who what where when & how much thats all i can say, good luck.
Originally posted by hitechjb1
I did some power calculation for Barton, it looks real good compared to the Tbred B 1700+ DLT3C.
Barton 2500+
rated frequency 1833 MHz (FSB 333)
rated voltage 1.65V
current 41.4 A max, 32.5 A typical
power 68.3 W max, 53.7W typical
max die temp 85 C
So if you can oc the Barton to 2.5 GHz at 2V,
active power (typical) = 53.7 x (2 x 2 x 2.5) / (1.65 x 1.65 x 1.833) = 108 W
active power (max) = 68.3 x (2 x 2 x 2.5) / (1.65 x 1.65 x 1.833) = 137 W
Observation:
The active power (typical) of Barton 108 W at 2V is less than that of 1700+ 128 W at 1.9V, assume both oc'ed to 2.5 GHz.
The max power per Vcore of Barton 137 W at 2V is less than the 135 W at 1.9V for the 1700+, assume both oc'ed to 2.5GHz.
I used 2V for Barton and 1.9V for the 1700+.
I think it is because the 1700+ is a high current CPU to begin with, even it is rated at lower Vcore 1.5V.
So in this sense, the Barton is much better, especially if Barton can be oc'ed to 2.4+ GHz and when the price drops lower. The Barton above 2.38 MHz will then be faster than a 1700+ at 2.5 GHz (assuming the 512KB L2 has a 5% average performance advantage), and cooler (less power and power density, bigger die area) !!!
Good to know man, now if my damn motherboard would support barton... only rev2 a7v333s support it officialy, but man i have mine running much higher than 166mhz fsb so i cant think why wouldnt it work...
thnx bill, as soon as i find out if my mobo can use it ill go thread hunting on where to get a good stepping or just make a new thread
:cool: No problem always happy to help out a fellow lunatic i mean overclocker, let me know when it happens , later:burn: :burn:
In response to hitechjb1:
I have a Barton 2500 AQUCA and it tended to run warmer @ similar speeds. It has a larger die area but to run at similar speeds it needed more voltage and therfore ran warmer.
One thing i believe is that the barton can run at a higher temp stably. I was running @ around 58C load and it did fine.
Barton 2500AQUCA0306: 2292 (191*12), 58C load @ 1.85Vcore
Tbred 1700WPMW0310: 2375 (190*12.5) 50C load @1.7Vcore
As you can see the Barton runs warmer at similar speed due to higher Vcore...but only around 5-8 degrees warmer w/.15 higher Vcore.
I may test them at same vcore to see the difference in temps. ;)
EspElement
05-22-03, 03:13 PM
well.... i have ran 2.4 (12*200) and (11.5*208)
i heard someone has ran at 192*12.5 to make 2.4 and is running stable
my advice is to get a SLK900U (if you got a 8RDA)
or a SLK800U if you got another board....
Originally posted by Eroc
In response to hitechjb1:
I have a Barton 2500 AQUCA and it tended to run warmer @ similar speeds. It has a larger die area but to run at similar speeds it needed more voltage and therfore ran warmer.
One thing i believe is that the barton can run at a higher temp stably. I was running @ around 58C load and it did fine.
Barton 2500AQUCA0306: 2292 (191*12), 58C load @ 1.85Vcore
Tbred 1700WPMW0310: 2375 (190*12.5) 50C load @1.7Vcore
As you can see the Barton runs warmer at similar speed due to higher Vcore...but only around 5-8 degrees warmer w/.15 higher Vcore.
I may test them at same vcore to see the difference in temps. ;) I agree the bartons seem to handle the heat better
ive had pallys run cooler but less stable then the barton @ higher temps, if you look @ my post on the 1st page of this thread youll see i have a diffrent stepping then you , the voltage & temps are a little diffrent i wonder if its the stepping or the hsf/case combo that makes the diffrence:-/
Originally posted by EspElement
well.... i have ran 2.4 (12*200) and (11.5*208)
i heard someone has ran at 192*12.5 to make 2.4 and is running stable
my advice is to get a SLK900U (if you got a 8RDA)
or a SLK800U if you got another board.... what voltage are you running @2.4 , i past the post @2.4/1.95v but crashed loading windows? my temps are fine 40c load @ 2286/2300mhz so i figure its the volts but i thought i see what others are using. donny paycheck is over 2.0v but he's supercooled & @2750mhz so i dont count that. i know who ill be bugging the hell out of when i get my water chiller finished(HINTHINT donny) that wasnt too blatent was it . :D thanks in advance, later
hitechjb1
05-22-03, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Eroc
In response to hitechjb1:
I have a Barton 2500 AQUCA and it tended to run warmer @ similar speeds. It has a larger die area but to run at similar speeds it needed more voltage and therfore ran warmer.
One thing i believe is that the barton can run at a higher temp stably. I was running @ around 58C load and it did fine.
Barton 2500AQUCA0306: 2292 (191*12), 58C load @ 1.85Vcore
Tbred 1700WPMW0310: 2375 (190*12.5) 50C load @1.7Vcore
As you can see the Barton runs warmer at similar speed due to higher Vcore...but only around 5-8 degrees warmer w/.15 higher Vcore.
I may test them at same vcore to see the difference in temps. ;)
Since power is proportional to Vcore^2 f, so at higher Vcore, temp would increase at higher rate.
If both Barton and the 1700+ DLT3C are running at same Vcore, using the same HSF, the Barton should be cooler, but would be slower in clock also (but not necessary).
EspElement
05-22-03, 04:35 PM
at 2.4 the volts have to be around 2.500.....
but its very unstable.... i mean very.....
it loads windows fine but i cant run any prime PERIOD! lol
its possible it may be my temps 52C....
thats why im gonna get a SLK900U
OC-Master
05-22-03, 07:07 PM
So which stepping do you guyz/galz recommend? My friend is purchasing his new Barton next week and needs some knowledge onto which is best to get.
It seems, all the steppings are achiving at least 2.20GHz even with poor cooling.
The AQUCA stepping has proven it self time and time again.
OC-Master
Originally posted by hitechjb1
Since power is proportional to Vcore^2 f, so at higher Vcore, temp would increase at higher rate.
If both Barton and the 1700+ DLT3C are running at same Vcore, using the same HSF, the Barton should be cooler, but would be slower in clock also (but not necessary).
Agreed ;)
EspElement
05-22-03, 08:23 PM
take a look at my new sig....
soon will be adding a SLK 900U to that list....
and possibly a tornado 92mm
treepop
05-22-03, 08:30 PM
I was able to hit 2.3 with the barton easily forget which stepping but it was it was just released and cost me $199 :(.....on my msi k7n2-L it was with 2700ddr ram at 12.5x185 hope that helps :D
EspElement
05-22-03, 09:34 PM
whats your vcore?..... and temps?
stable @ 2296mhz=12.5x183fsb=1.95=40c idle:burn:
EspElement
05-23-03, 04:42 PM
well i can do mine stable at 1.85.... 41 full load.... tell me what yours is...... or you dont wanna tell?
Originally posted by EspElement
well i can do mine stable at 1.85.... 41 full load.... tell me what yours is...... or you dont wanna tell? :p well there's been a bit of a debate how good mobo monitoring softwear is most think its on the low side, but to reply to your question usdm say 39c right now & 44c after looping 3DMark/cpu burn/what ever
& just so you know i wont post a clam 100% STABLE unless it is , it will run stable @ 1.875v but wont make it completely thru 3DMark further my good fellow it will run stable @ 2309mhz @1.95v but wont run benchmarks & it wll boot @ 2400mhz @1.975v but not stable & that is the name of my game, try looping some benchmark for a day or 2. Later:cool:
deeppow
05-23-03, 06:25 PM
Just got a 2500+ to play with. It is an
AQXDA 0318RPDW
It has booted and run at 2.404Mhz, tested a little using Sandra which was fine. I had problems with Prime95 but was testing some memory at the same time so couldn't tell which was the problem since I only spent an hour screwing around. I have serious doubts that it'll do 2.4 with air cooling I'm currently using. I'll figure it out in the next couple weeks.
Great to hear keep us informed , oh & by the way Nice Raid!:drool:
JetMech
05-24-03, 09:17 AM
They all seem to be requiring quite a bit of voltage to get them to the same place some people are getting 2100+s. I know the L2 cache helps with the Barton but I have watched AMD for a while now and I get the feeling that their new chips come out with impedance problems that require more voltage to overcome. As the fab process improves the voltage requiremant is going to go down. I think I'll wait a while. Heat is a big issue for me. For the water and refer guys though press on.
donny_paycheck
05-24-03, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by JetMech
I get the feeling that their new chips come out with impedance problems that require more voltage to overcome.
Could you elaborate on this a little bit?
hitechjb1
05-24-03, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by deeppow
Just got a 2500+ to play with. It is an
AQXDA 0318RPDW
It has booted and run at 2.404Mhz, tested a little using Sandra which was fine. I had problems with Prime95 but was testing some memory at the same time so couldn't tell which was the problem since I only spent an hour screwing around. I have serious doubts that it'll do 2.4 with air cooling I'm currently using. I'll figure it out in the next couple weeks.
At what Vcore it can run Sandra at 2.404 MHz?
For air cooling, that depends. I begin to get my Tbred B 1700+ DLT3C to run at 2.59 MHz (almost 2.6 GHz) on air, seems to be prime95 and 3D Mark stable. I am still playing w/ it, will report when having more details.
deeppow
05-24-03, 11:40 AM
Again, I have VERY serious doubts that this will be a stable setup on air. I seriously suggest that anyone following this thread NOT run and buy a 2500+ from Newegg thinking it'll get you 2.4Mhz till much more testing is done and more than one cpu has shown its results.
Now to answer your question hitechjb1, 1.85volts used on cpu, 1.8 vdd, 2.9 on memory, fsb=209. Sandra results are basically idle temps for the cpu and were about 41-43C (not trustworthy since they come out of MBM5 and off the mobo thermis....). Delta T above case temp at idle is 1-2C and I tend to trust that as being more accurate since any offset, or systematic error, will be self compensating.
Hadn't seen the AQXDA variation posted at least in this thread, that why I noted it here. :cool:
Originally posted by deeppow
Again, I have VERY serious doubts that this will be a stable setup on air. I seriously suggest that anyone following this thread NOT run and buy a 2500+ from Newegg thinking it'll get you 2.4Mhz till much more testing is done and more than one cpu has shown its results.
thnx for that straightforward statement dude, will i be able to reach 2.3 or 2.25ghz with my current cooling setup??? or i can just get a 1700 and roll the dice...
EspElement
05-24-03, 12:06 PM
one Q man.... how you get a pally at ****ing 190?
donny_paycheck
05-24-03, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by EspElement
one Q man.... how you get a pally at ****ing 190?
He lowered the multiplier. ;)
deeppow
05-24-03, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
thnx for that straightforward statement dude, will i be able to reach 2.3 or 2.25ghz with my current cooling setup??? or i can just get a 1700 and roll the dice...
If I were going to roll the dice I would go with the 1700. You can buy 3 of 'em for the price of a 2500, at least via Newegg. Obiviously I don't know bout the price in Mexico nor if Newegg ships there. Sorry I can't say more than that. :cool:
an uncle living across the border can bring it to me, but i just wanna be sure ill get high speed... seems ill just order the 0310 XPMW from excaliberpc... asus still wont reply if my mobo can support the barton...
I got this mild FSB because yes i unlocked the chip and lowered the multi... bartons need at least 166MHz fsb to work, i cant think why my mobo wouldnt support its since its stable at 190. Anyway this one is still kt333 mobo si i must unlock... time to test my sawing skillz :cool:
donny_paycheck
05-24-03, 02:04 PM
To break 190FSB on my 8RGA I simply removed the 133/166 jumper from the board. Before I did that I couldn't operate above 190 with any kind of stability.
deeppow
05-24-03, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by donny_paycheck
To break 190FSB on my 8RGA I simply removed the 133/166 jumper from the board. Before I did that I couldn't operate above 190 with any kind of stability.
Hummmmm donny, didn't take mine off. The manual wasn't clear about what to do so I'm sure it is in the default position. Think I should take it off? I'm don't appear to be limited at this point since I've been above 210.
donny_paycheck
05-24-03, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by deeppow
Hummmmm donny, didn't take mine off. The manual wasn't clear about what to do so I'm sure it is in the default position. Think I should take it off? I'm don't appear to be limited at this point since I've been above 210.
I know the manuals don't say anything about it, but the guys at xtremesystems told me to try that, and it worked. I had tried it at 133 and 166, and neither position let me get much above 190 regardless of DRAM timings.
Try pulling it off. Clear CMOS before you boot up for the first time. It can't hurt anything. If it doesn't help, put it back. This is a quirk in the nForce2 chipset. We both have basically the same motherboard so I think you'll have good luck trying this.
EspElement
05-24-03, 02:42 PM
what about with 8RDA... take off the jumper will it be more stable?
i can run 210 stable but still....
Originally posted by EspElement
one Q man.... how you get a pally at ****ing 190? before getting the barton i had a 1700 pally , i normally ran @ 10x184fsb but while i played with the multiplier to see what scored better in 3DMark was able to reach 9.5x194fsb@1.85v but ran out of voltage in my A7V8X & couldnt go any higher stablly , the over volt jumper did nothing & the ASUS tech told me that would be overclocking so he couldnt/wouldnt tell me how to fix the problem so i sold it . HELLO EPOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Originally posted by PhobMX
thnx for that straightforward statement dude, will i be able to reach 2.3 or 2.25ghz with my current cooling setup??? or i can just get a 1700 and roll the dice... my stepping went to 2ghz @ stock volts (1.65v) & the temps stayed the same , by 2.1 the volts = 1.7v & the temps were a little higher, but by 2.2 the volts = 1.85 & the temps jumped a bit but were still not too bad, 2.260mhz@1.9v seems to be the sweet spot with my present cooling the temps are reasonable & it scored the best so far, now @ 2296mhz @ 1.95v the temps are still not too bad just higher then i like & it scored slightly lower by about 200 points but its still rock stable, im picking out a waterblock right now, that & an old appartment frig i hacked apart should be cool:cool: let me know what way you go, later Bud.
Originally posted by bill
my stepping went to 2ghz @ stock volts (1.65v) & the temps stayed the same , by 2.1 the volts = 1.7v & the temps were a little higher, but by 2.2 the volts = 1.85 & the temps jumped a bit but were still not too bad, 2.260mhz@1.9v seems to be the sweet spot with my present cooling the temps are reasonable & it scored the best so far, now @ 2296mhz @ 1.95v the temps are still not too bad just higher then i like & it scored slightly lower by about 200 points but its still rock stable, im picking out a waterblock right now, that & an old appartment frig i hacked apart should be cool:cool: let me know what way you go, later Bud.
What stepping do you have. My 2500 AQUCA0306 was running @ 2296 (191*12) @1.85V on my A7N8X and eventually 2300 (200*11.5) also @1.85V on a Vanec Aeroflow. it ran around 58C load but stable as far as i knew before i put in my new 1700 :)
Caffinehog
05-24-03, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
an uncle living across the border can bring it to me, but i just wanna be sure ill get high speed... seems ill just order the 0310 XPMW from excaliberpc... asus still wont reply if my mobo can support the barton...
http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx
Find your motherboard. Bartons are model 10's, at least according to ASUS. If your board is the A7V333, then their database says it does, though you'll need to flash your bios.
Originally posted by Caffinehog
http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx
Find your motherboard. Bartons are model 10's, at least according to ASUS. If your board is the A7V333, then their database says it does, though you'll need to flash your bios.
doh, i was so blind... but ohh well, the guaranteed dl3tc 0310 at xoxide for 65 shipped is a much better deal, thnx anyway :cool:
Originally posted by Eroc
What stepping do you have. My 2500 AQUCA0306 was running @ 2296 (191*12) @1.85V on my A7N8X and eventually 2300 (200*11.5) also @1.85V on a Vanec Aeroflow. it ran around 58C load but stable as far as i knew before i put in my new 1700 :) AQUCA0307
EspElement
05-25-03, 10:50 AM
200*11.5 does seem to be stable for me..... it will but super high volts and temps....im geting a SLK900U so i should be good to get 2.35 <---hopefully :)
i got mine at 208*11...2.9, seems to be damn smooth, look at my memory timings too :)
Q:how you take screen shots of just like cpuz and not yoru hole desktop?
or do you use photo shop7 and edit it?
Barton 2800+ AQUCA 0304 RPAW at 2310Mhz (210x11) and 1.8v. Will do >2400Mhz with better cooling, now running 47°C load.
Just ordered my Barton 2500+ AQXDA ill let you guys know how it does....
deeppow
05-25-03, 09:06 PM
Good luck!
I've been retesting my 2600 but will put my 2500 AQXDA back in tomorrow and see what it'll do once all is stable. :cool:
tweaker
05-28-03, 03:21 AM
We got 2400 out of ours but will have the pelt on soon and hope to get it to2500! will post results soon! be cool dudes!
Nice , the AQXCA's seem to go higher @ lower volts, ill wait a little then get a newer stepping & put this one in my wife's rig(after i beat the hell out of it hehe).
EspElement
05-28-03, 08:52 PM
yea... i wanna see what stepping can get 2.4 or 2.5 with air possibly
if it goes 2.5...... i will buy instantly at even a high price
cause of the stepping number
max0mus
05-29-03, 09:15 AM
Looks like I'm the 2nd or 3rd person to post an AQXDA.
So far I'm going conservative with the overclocking process. I picked 10x200 as an intermediate point to test for stability then I'll move forward from there.
voltages default
mem at 3/3
mem timings at SPD (using OCZ PC3500 Dual Channel)
So far it's run Prime95 for 6 hours with passes.
Will update this post with my overclock sucesses hopefully. Also I'll update this post with answers to any questions you guys might have.
*update* 05/29
12 hours of Prime 95 passed for the 10x200 case. So I went to 8x250 and I got beeping. Soooo... I went to 9x225 and it didn't boot into WinXP. Up'd Vdimm to 2.9 from 2.6 and now I'm Prime95'ing again. Will do that for another 12 hours or so. Hopefully once I figure out a good memory speed then I can really start pushing this proc.
*update* 05/30
225 x 9 Prime'd for about 12 hours so I went to 250 again and no chicken. Kept stepping down and was able to get into windoze at 240 but prime95 would error. Settled on 230MHz but this morning it errored out after 8 hours. So I uped the chipset to maximum which is 1.7V. Re-running now as we speak. If I get 24 hour error free then I'll start uping the multiplier. If I get more errors then I'll start uping my cpu voltage. It's still at 1.65 (default)
Question: Is there anything special I need to do with the mem sticks to ensure proper dual channel operation? Right now I have dimms 3 and 2 populated as recommended by Abit but they don't say specifically if it's the right way for dual operation.
Abit NF7-S v2.0
AQXDA 0314 MPMW
deeppow
05-29-03, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by max0mus
Question: Is there anything special I need to do with the mem sticks to ensure proper dual channel operation? Right now I have dimms 3 and 2 populated as recommended by Abit but they don't say specifically if it's the right way for dual operation.
The only visual thing you'll see is on the initial boot screen and it'll flash dual DDR somewhere toward the bottom. :cool:
Sir Barton
05-29-03, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by PhobMX
an uncle living across the border can bring it to me, but i just wanna be sure ill get high speed... seems ill just order the 0310 XPMW from excaliberpc... asus still wont reply if my mobo can support the barton...
I got this mild FSB because yes i unlocked the chip and lowered the multi... bartons need at least 166MHz fsb to work, i cant think why my mobo wouldnt support its since its stable at 190. Anyway this one is still kt333 mobo si i must unlock... time to test my sawing skillz :cool:
your board does support the barton, you just need the newest BIOS for it. i have an A7V333-X with a 2500+ running 192x12.5. its taking the abuse quite well until i get my NF7 2.0
Originally posted by Sir Barton
your board does support the barton, you just need the newest BIOS for it. i have an A7V333-X with a 2500+ running 192x12.5. its taking the abuse quite well until i get my NF7 2.0
i already ordered the dl3tc from svc, it sounded like a better and safer deal... remember my mobo is a7v333, non X
well good luck with it & let me know what happens.
tweaker
05-30-03, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by max0mus
Looks like I'm the 2nd or 3rd person to post an AQXDA.
So far I'm going conservative with the overclocking process. I picked 10x200 as an intermediate point to test for stability then I'll move forward from there.
voltages default
mem at 3/3
mem timings at SPD (using OCZ PC3500 Dual Channel)
So far it's run Prime95 for 6 hours with passes.
Will update this post with my overclock sucesses hopefully. Also I'll update this post with answers to any questions you guys might have.
*update* 05/29
12 hours of Prime 95 passed for the 10x200 case. So I went to 8x250 and I got beeping. Soooo... I went to 9x225 and it didn't boot into WinXP. Up'd Vdimm to 2.9 from 2.6 and now I'm Prime95'ing again. Will do that for another 12 hours or so. Hopefully once I figure out a good memory speed then I can really start pushing this proc.
Question: Is there anything special I need to do with the mem sticks to ensure proper dual channel operation? Right now I have dimms 3 and 2 populated as recommended by Abit but they don't say specifically if it's the right way for dual operation.
Abit NF7-S v2.0
AQXDA 0314 MPMW
I might be late here but when you boot your post screen or boot screen will say DUAL CHANNEL MODE Then you got it right. BUT... My board didn't state that until my bios update to 1004 bios. That is weird but a true story... it is a computer tho...lol
OH by he way, you are running the same ram I am, Please let me know when you achieve erotica on your mem timings. I am having some issues but if you will I will PM you with my settings etc. I would, as always appreciate your advice!
Tweaker
max0mus
05-30-03, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by tweaker
OH by he way, you are running the same ram I am, Please let me know when you achieve erotica on your mem timings. I am having some issues but if you will I will PM you with my settings etc. I would, as always appreciate your advice!
Tweaker
I read on OCZ website that the PC3500EL Dual mem should be run at SPD setting since there are some things in there to improve dual channel stability apart from the timings themselves.
When I did play around with the timings I had problems booting. Right now I'm at 230MHz x 9 running prime95. I want to run it for a day before I start moveing the multiplier. 230 looks to be my limit as any settings higher start erroring tests in Prime95.
So far it's been stable for a 6 hours.
my aqxda 0315 will do 181x12.5 with no change in vcore stable. i can do 185fsb with 1.7v. can't go higher cause pretty sure my mobo limits me. still almost 450mhz oc with stock vcore ain't bad. pretty sure if i had a nforce2 then i could boot at 2.4 with 1.75v no problems. i can post on this mobo at 190 with 1.75 but my guess is 1/5 divider is hindering my ability to boot stable.
Im gessing thats a kt400 board , if so you have the upper multi,
try 13x??? & see if you can go higher, thats what i did with my a7v8x it worked i got to 13x182fsb but the board ran out of v-core
adjustment. good luck.:burn: :burn:
tweaker
05-30-03, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by max0mus
I read on OCZ website that the PC3500EL Dual mem should be run at SPD setting since there are some things in there to improve dual channel stability apart from the timings themselves.
When I did play around with the timings I had problems booting. Right now I'm at 230MHz x 9 running prime95. I want to run it for a day before I start moveing the multiplier. 230 looks to be my limit as any settings higher start erroring tests in Prime95.
So far it's been stable for a 6 hours.
:D DUDE! U the heat!:cool: THANX 4 the tip. RadMan got drunk and set the timings @ 4442 and blew it for me until I could reset and get all my settings put back in. Says something for drinkin while Oc'ing huh! LOL Anyway, I went in steps: 8442, 7442, 7332, 6332, With the 100% setting boot probs, at the last one, sys failed mem test and gave us the boot instead. This is our first try with dual channel and enhanced latency memory. I have seen timings at 5222 and others but I will try yours first to see. I appreciate your post and look for a big thanks coming soon. I will post you the results to let you know. I hate to sound like an idiot but how else do you learn, right? You would not believe how much I have learned about getting the absolute MOST from my stuff from right here at this site from the coolest dudes (like U) around. Talk at ya later,
Tweaker
max0mus
05-30-03, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by tweaker
:D DUDE! U the heat!:cool: THANX 4 the tip. RadMan got drunk and set the timings @ 4442 and blew it for me until I could reset and get all my settings put back in. Says something for drinkin while Oc'ing huh! LOL Anyway, I went in steps: 8442, 7442, 7332, 6332, With the 100% setting boot probs, at the last one, sys failed mem test and gave us the boot instead. This is our first try with dual channel and enhanced latency memory. I have seen timings at 5222 and others but I will try yours first to see. I appreciate your post and look for a big thanks coming soon. I will post you the results to let you know. I hate to sound like an idiot but how else do you learn, right? You would not believe how much I have learned about getting the absolute MOST from my stuff from right here at this site from the coolest dudes (like U) around. Talk at ya later,
Tweaker
Not sure what you just said there but I'm guessing you've had problems with forcing manual settings. Well be good. Don't drink and o/c as they say :).
Goodspeed.
bill i have no 13x multi. i have it set right now to 12.5/13 but it's using the 12.5. don't feel like modding the cpu cause i'm getting a msi delta pretty soon.
Originally posted by EspElement
well.... i have ran 2.4 (12*200) and (11.5*208)
i heard someone has ran at 192*12.5 to make 2.4 and is running stable
my advice is to get a SLK900U (if you got a 8RDA)
or a SLK800U if you got another board....
Can you explain why SLK900U with 8RDA and SLK-800U for the rest ?
iam using NF7-S board and running sk-7 now, considering upgrade my hs. So which better for my board and wise choice
max0mus
05-31-03, 03:02 PM
For those following my o/c'ing adventure:
8x230 FSB wasn't stable (would error Prime95 at the 8 hour mark twice).
Dropped FSB to 10x225 and was able to Prime95 for 15 hours. So I got impatient and started moving forward.
Now I'm at 10.5x228. Going to let this rip for a while.
Don't got a website or else I'd post WCPUID images.
wannaoc
05-31-03, 05:23 PM
Sig setup, the stepping is AQUCA.
deeppow
05-31-03, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by max0mus
Dropped FSB to 10x225 and was able to Prime95 for 15 hours. So I got impatient and started moving forward.
Now I'm at 10.5x228. Going to let this rip for a while.
What kinda memory settings you running max0mus? :cool:
EspElement
05-31-03, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by kevinN
Can you explain why SLK900U with 8RDA and SLK-800U for the rest ?
iam using NF7-S board and running sk-7 now, considering upgrade my hs. So which better for my board and wise choice
well, SLK900U only fits on a 8RDA doesnt really fit on anyothers
welll if you bend capastiors, it will fit on your board i think....
look here http://www.thermalright.com/faq_900_Motherboard.html
max0mus
05-31-03, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by deeppow
What kinda memory settings you running max0mus? :cool:
I'm running SPD as per OCZ recommendations. I think it's setting 2-4-4-9 but I'm guessing really. Anyway to know for sure?
Also I started gettting Prime95 errors after about an hour at 10.5x228.
So now I'm at 11x220. WIll try that for now.
wannaoc
05-31-03, 09:19 PM
Well Kevin, it may be cost, and mounting. At least for me it was I could buy an 800A and mount it without the screws and cost.
fireburster
05-31-03, 10:44 PM
I just got my retail 2500+ in. Its missing a letter on the stepping I think. AQXCA0311MPM. It should have 4 letters after the number but it doesnt.
Mine is also AQUCA0304...
Runs extremely stable @ 209x10.5@1.8...
Also had stable runs at 2.3 ghz but heat becomes the issue then I'm only using stock cpu fan so far and a couple modded 80mm fans... 35 idle and 44 load @ 209x10.5...
Somehow the system seems to reboot when i hit 48 C in Hardware sensors monitor... Cant seem to get warmer... Problably the C.O.P of my a7nx8... but isnt that a low die temp ??
Any clues ?? Anyone ??
Originally posted by josi
Barton 2800+ AQUCA 0304 RPAW at 2310Mhz (210x11) and 1.8v. Will do >2400Mhz with better cooling, now running 47°C load.
Updated: 2520Mhz@1.95V (210x12), 44°C load with fresh spring air comming to the room, stable with Prime95 for 6 hours.
Originally posted by josi
Updated: 2520Mhz@1.95V (210x12), 44°C load with fresh spring air comming to the room, stable with Prime95 for 6 hours. NICE! what stepping is that? i have an early step 2500 & thats the temp im running @2309mhz=10.5x219fsb @1.95v w/slk800.
EspElement
06-01-03, 06:08 PM
well ass you see.... mines updated...
got the SLK900U < - - - - AWESOME
anyways.....i have been doing alot of clocking...
seem to run 2.35 stable at 213*11
i have tried lots of clocking with my gpu too.....
i can run 305/700 (300/600 stock)
i also ran 230 fsb with multi of 8
but no luck i like the 213*11 mroe then any....
hopfully i can durn and turn and churn and get it higher :)
now in peocess of geting the vcore lower
hitechjb1
06-01-03, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by EspElement
well ass you see.... mines updated...
got the SLK900U < - - - - AWESOME
anyways.....i have been doing alot of clocking...
seem to run 2.35 stable at 213*11
i have tried lots of clocking with my gpu too.....
i can run 305/700 (300/600 stock)
i also ran 230 fsb with multi of 8
but no luck i like the 213*11 mroe then any....
hopfully i can durn and turn and churn and get it higher :)
now in peocess of geting the vcore lower
wow, you sig says your Barton is at 3.343 GHz !!!
"213*11=3.343 35C 42C 1.95 vcore, prime 18 hours/no errors"
Your Barton at 2.35 GHz is faster than 90% of the 1700+ in overall system performance.
Originally posted by EspElement
well ass you see.... mines updated...
got the SLK900U < - - - - AWESOME
anyways.....i have been doing alot of clocking...
seem to run 2.35 stable at 213*11
i have tried lots of clocking with my gpu too.....
i can run 305/700 (300/600 stock)
i also ran 230 fsb with multi of 8
but no luck i like the 213*11 mroe then any....
hopfully i can durn and turn and churn and get it higher :)
now in peocess of geting the vcore lower In your sig i see you're running about 2c cooler w/slk900 then i am w/slk800, i was going to get the 900 but now i think ill put my watercooling plans on the front burner a little sooner , oh i almost forgot how do you like that Geil pc3500 ? I THINK IT ROCKS! i've heard alot of
crap about it lately "sounds like sourgrapes to me" my RGA in turbo @10.5x217fsb sets the ram timing to 2.3.3.8 & it still hit 18641 in 3DMark (life is good) later.
EspElement
06-01-03, 07:23 PM
it ran 235fsb at 6 3 3 2.5 cas.... i think its awesome
well.... i was hoping to get to 2.4... i stilll hope that.
i think maybe water cooling would help alot\
well it was onl tested at 18 hours..... i dont have time to go to 24....
i stoped it at 18 hours... im sure it can make it to 24...
like i said im tring to get my vcore as low as possable....
im at 1.90 but i will be testing prime tonight at that seting
i hope i can get to 2.4 on air..... which i know alot of ppl want a stepping that can do 2.4 on air......
dunno my stepping i would have tot ake it off :(
i plan on geting a few things.... like a nice gpu cooler....a 92mm tornado....and a iceburg 4
i got a active cool on my sb, nb is still stock
that would gear me for the best air cooling possible
Originally posted by EspElement
it ran 235fsb at 6 3 3 2.5 cas.... i think its awesome
well.... i was hoping to get to 2.4... i stilll hope that.
i think maybe water cooling would help alot\
well it was onl tested at 18 hours..... i dont have time to go to 24....
i stoped it at 18 hours... im sure it can make it to 24...
like i said im tring to get my vcore as low as possable....
im at 1.90 but i will be testing prime tonight at that seting
i hope i can get to 2.4 on air..... which i know alot of ppl want a stepping that can do 2.4 on air......
dunno my stepping i would have tot ake it off :(
i plan on geting a few things.... like a nice gpu cooler....a 92mm tornado....and a iceburg 4
i got a active cool on my sb, nb is still stock
that would gear me for the best air cooling possible yea i think 2.4ghz may be the max for the early steppings on air . i see the later steppings running cooler & @ lower v-core then ours but thats to be expected . i've been lowering my v-core @ a set speed as i go. i run alittle higher @ higher v-core for awhile then i can go back & run lower v-core @ speeds then i did before. it take's time , you cant fly before you walk ! talk@ you later:D
EspElement
06-01-03, 08:45 PM
yea... once someone can hit 2.5 on air with a barton.... if not i wont be buying a barton.... i willupgrade to AMD 64....
im sure they will have new motherbaords to run it and possibly ddr2 slots running on it......
also agp pro which is like 133mhz bus....im not to sure on alt of the newer **** coming in november
OC-Master
06-01-03, 09:04 PM
Great posts people! Were getting tons of good information here. Those Bartons are doing much better than I initially thought,, and I bet after reading this thread, many people are going for a Barton :)
Anyhow, that AQXDA Barton looks crazy for overclocking.
OC-Master
EspElement
06-01-03, 09:10 PM
yea if i had gotten that from amd when i tried to RMA mine to get a newer stepping... id idnt get that i got a AQUCA :(
im happy with mine really... but it could be better
wannaoc
06-01-03, 09:52 PM
Mods, this thread has been corrupted with talk about 1700's and a bunch of other stuff. As the Barton is the newest CPU from AMD can we get a sticky poll about stepping and speeds of Bartons?
As a Barton owner/overclocker I am really interested in what other people are getting. Hopefully people will talk about their TBrds on a thread about them not a Barton thread on an official one. Thanks, and I don't mean to flame anyone but Tbrds are not the topic of this thread.
max0mus
06-01-03, 09:55 PM
Sooo...
This past weekend saw me go to 11x225 for a bit but Prime95 just wouldn't pass after the 1 hour mark. I was playing Warcraft3 while Priming but it just wouldn't hold. I think it's heat build-up and with better cooling I think it will be stable. Temps were like 45/60. Very hot.
I als realized I didn't have the aux power connected (square 4-pin header). Voltages stablized a bit. Also I realized I was doing all this with the 1.0 bios (NF7-S) and web updated to 1.4 and had issues that were reported in another thread. Went to 1.2 and some issues with BIOS.
After all is said and done I'm crunching away at 11x210 for the time being (5 hours so far) at 1.7V (although MBM shows 1.63-1.65V). I'm wondering if the power supply of my Lanboy is giving me pause? Hope not. I plan to prime the 11x210 setup for a couple days and then try for higher.
I did just purchase a SLK-900U and a Vantec 92mm Tornado. This is about all I'm willing to do indefinitely for this barton beast. I'll shoot for more O/C potential once I get that heatsink. I know my ram is "stable" at 225MHz at 2.9V so perhaps I'll shoot for 11x225 again and hope she holds. I really hoped that heatsink is short enough to fit in my Lanboy (power supply is close to motherboard edge). Would suck if it didn't.
Talk to you guys soon.
:cool:
Stiletto
06-02-03, 06:18 PM
Was doing 200x11 @ 2.0v pretty stable on AQXCA
Testing out 196x11.5 @ 2.1v now
Seems to take a whole lot of voltage to get it anywhere.
max0mus
06-02-03, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by max0mus
Sooo...
...
After all is said and done I'm crunching away at 11x210 for the time being (5 hours so far) at 1.7V (although MBM shows 1.63-1.65V). I'm wondering if the power supply of my Lanboy is giving me pause? Hope not. I plan to prime the 11x210 setup for a couple days and then try for higher.
:cool:
Quoting myself here.
Well... 19 hours of Prime95 and it error'd :(.
Figure I'll try my 220MHz x 10.5 to see what I get. I had it going well over 24 hours at 8x225 a while ago. Only difference here is that vdimm = 2.9 whereas it was 2.6 (default) at 210.
Right now my vcore is set to 1.7V and MBM reads 1.63-1.65V
Ahh... this overclocking is eating the insides of me. I've been doing it for 5+ years now and it still keeps me up at night.
EspElement
06-02-03, 09:35 PM
man that AQXCA doesnt seem as good if you need that vcore.....
i got mine at 1.85 at the moment at 11.5*200
Just finished my water rig & im @ 2367mhz=11.5x205fsb 38c=full load.:clap: :beer: Not too shabby for $100 investment!
EspElement
06-08-03, 01:41 PM
i can run that on air.... but higher temps
Originally posted by EspElement
i can run that on air.... but higher temps
Im @2375=11x215fsb now & my load temp is 36c. room temp was around 80f last night today it 72f. I go slow i never make large jumps , i went to water cooling because my temps were
38c idle/44c load w/slk800. the water block cost less then a slk900 & in the long run is the better choise & it's quiet compared
to my 80mm TT fan, the pump is a 210gph pond pump from homedepot for $45, everything else i had so for less then a $100
i have a complete water set up. Next comes my CHILLER for less then $100!!!!!!!!!!:p :D
Originally posted by bill
Im @2375=11x215fsb now & my load temp is 36c. room temp was around 80f last night today it 72f. I go slow i never make large jumps , i went to water cooling because my temps were
38c idle/44c load w/slk800. the water block cost less then a slk900 & in the long run is the better choise & it's quiet compared
to my 80mm TT fan, the pump is a 210gph pond pump from homedepot for $45, everything else i had so for less then a $100
i have a complete water set up. Next comes my CHILLER for less then $100!!!!!!!!!!:p :D
where did you get your block? and where are you looking for a chiller?
EspElement
06-08-03, 06:02 PM
damn i cant run that.... im at 214*11 thats about the highest at 42 load
yea i should get water.... isnt a pain?
Originally posted by Eroc
where did you get your block? and where are you looking for a chiller?
D-TEKcustoms.com=TC-4 rev2 they have a clearance section, theyre out of stock now but keep an eye open. the TC-4 is $50 but if you dont mind scraches or little dents its $28. thats how i try to get everything i can. my 9700pro was $270 on clearance!
as for the chiller i can get junked frig's "FREE" im going to cut it apart & rig it in a old server case they tossed out @ work. when its done the hole setup, water pump, resevor & chiller will be in the gutted server case. the $100 will be to pay someone to charge, its too hard to get r12/r22 now with all the EPA bullsh*t.
i saw a thread in the extreme cooling forum with a link to a surplus company, i have it somewhere if you cant find it.:cool: later
Originally posted by EspElement
damn i cant run that.... im at 214*11 thats about the highest at 42 load
yea i should get water.... isnt a pain? your temp isnt
too yet. i've noticed the early steppings seem to need more v-core
abit seems to use less volts then epox but asus is the worst, my a7v8x is a great mobo but it needed ALOTAVOLTS! @ 11x215fsb my v-core is 2.075v, just watch your temps:burn: let me know how it turns out , good luck. later.:thup:
OC-Master
06-09-03, 04:23 PM
So far, Kektex's AQXEA is holding out well.
Were talking 2.33GHz on 1.8v with a SLK-800 CPU! stable.
Now, were testing 2.39GHz with 1.95v and were just over 1 hour into prime95 and still going strong.
Man, these chips love voltage!
One thing is for sure, with the AQXEA, your garanteed 2.30GHz with 1.85v even with a half decent HSF.
OC-Master
my AQXDA0315 does 187x12.5 for 2340mhz on 1.75 vcore... even with my 1/5 divider mobo. haven't been able to push it higher cause of that. but it's stable at 181x12.5 for 2262mhz with no vcore increase. hopefully i can do higher on 1.75 once i get some locked dividers... as in buy a nforce2 ultra 400.
Broken_VR6
06-09-03, 07:51 PM
Mine does 2.2@default, 2.3@1.725, and 2.4@1.85...tested with 24 hours of Prime95 each.
0314MPMW AQXDA.
just got a AQXCA0311... mm waitin to see hte results once my NF7-s comes in
My AQUCA aways seems to need extra voltage to run 3DMark. anything else i can get by with .025v to .050v less. in my Epox i didnt have to raise the v-core till almost 2.2ghz, but in my Asus it needed more volts by 2.0ghz. after all the results are in i may get a later step & put this 1 in my wife's rig, her 2100pally is getting a little long in the tooth.
Rokk1972
06-09-03, 10:06 PM
AXDA2800DKV4D 9805745260052 (XP 2800)
AQUCA 0306XPDW
I had this chip running @ 2.31Ghz for months with no problems in stability. Was using 177FSB x 13Mult. @ 1.675 Vcore & Vdimm of 2.8VDC
Then I found out about the sweet jewel (xp1700 monster OC'er) and swapped out my 2800 for it. Now I am really ****ed, spent $250 something dollars for the 2800 when the 3000 first came out. Now I have a chip that I paid $42 total for and it performs at the same level!
LawyerLynn
06-09-03, 10:15 PM
Well, I helped my brother put together a new system the other week. He has an A78NX Dlx. board paired with 1024 Megs of Corsair XMS PC3200 RAM and a Barton 2800 AXDA chip. It ran, right out of the box, at 11x200 at 1.70 volts. He needs a little better cooling than AMD's stock hsf and I'm sure he could do more.
Im up to 2389mhz=11x217fsb temps are 32c idle 36c load i burned in a bit ran some benchmarks & it's looking good.
it's not 100% stable yet i need to burn in a little more.
it ran 8898/3574 in sandrasoft cpu bench & 18707 in 3DMark with less then my max OC on the videocard.:clap: :beer:
OC-Master
06-14-03, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by bill
Im up to 2389mhz=11x217fsb temps are 32c idle 36c load i burned in a bit ran some benchmarks & it's looking good.
it's not 100% stable yet i need to burn in a little more.
it ran 8898/3574 in sandrasoft cpu bench & 18707 in 3DMark with less then my max OC on the videocard.:clap: :beer:
Getting the barton 2500+ to 434MHz FSB is what its all about :D Thats the goal of any Barton owner around with some trying for the next step being 466MHz FSB :D
But 11 X 233MHz FSB is just crazy hehe.. But I bet with water, it could be done with a ton of voltage.
Sure you can lower the multiplier but then your loosing the MHz thrill of the FSB and high multiplier :)
OC-Master
200x10.5 (2.1Ghz) on stock volts and SLK900U with AS3. Tonight I will be looping 3DMark2K3 for a stab. test
EspElement
06-15-03, 07:44 AM
haha you see that one dudes oc yet? i think it was 220x12.5
440 is close to 466.... if he lowered the multi i bet he could
he claims he does this on 1.85 volts / stable
specific
06-27-03, 05:01 PM
who is claiming these speeds? it must be peltier, vapochill, or prometia cooled
i can get either an 0322 or 0323, both AQXEA
i think i'll go for the 23 chip, and pass this 09 down the line.
Celemine1Gig
06-27-03, 06:34 PM
Well, I just got a Barton 2500+ AQXDA 0322 MPMW CPU that seems to be stable at 2250 MHz with only 1,65V (on a Abit NF7 Rev.2.0 that undervolts; real voltage is between 1.57V minimum and 1.65V maximum).
I tested it with cpuburn only, because I can't run prime at the moment, due to my crappy RAM which causes errors all the time, even at 166 MHz. Next week I'll get some other RAM, and then I'll let you know, how high this chip can operate while remaining stable.;)
docinthebox
06-28-03, 11:36 AM
For AQXDA, which is better: MPMW or XPMW?
EspElement
06-28-03, 11:58 AM
ur processor is at 22x100 ?!?!?! why dont you raise the fsb?
(another update) im @ 2441mhz=11x222fsb. finely got my water block for the NB. my chiller is done, i just have to insolate all the WB's & lines. chilling w/ice in res i was able to hit 2505mhz@20c
but wasnt stable enough to bench yet. closing in on 20k in 3DM2k1. running out of v-core on my RGA tho. NF7 ver2 maybe in the near future.
gs400man
07-23-03, 11:52 AM
2552 Prime, Sandra,3DMark01,03 certified. Specs in sig.
I have had well over 9 2500's and this is by far the best of the lot even though it is a older stepping. It took some time burning it in along with many voltage spikes (increase voltage to 2.2 volts to shock it), but it is incredibly stable at this speed. I have 4 Barton 2800's coming in tomorrow , but I doubt any of them will match this cpu. Still, I want to check them out at least.
Looking to hit 2600 mhz soon (will boot but not yet P95 ready) and obtain 22000 in 3Dmark01 with:
1) Swiftteck Peltier WC block if Swiftteck ever decides to ship the thing (2 weeks so far).
2) Lap the D-Tek TC-4 waterblock
3) NB WC block
4) Better Pump
5) Active cooling on the mosfets
6) Possibly dual radiators. Smaller one for 9800P/NB
7) Up the voltage on the FSB using a variable resistor
http://www.leedye.com/therig/CPU/2552.jpg
UberBlue
07-23-03, 01:12 PM
2.4GHZ - AQXDA 0322TPCW @ 1.9V (12 x 200)
MB - Asus A7N8X rev 1.04
Ram - Corsair XMS 3500 (512Mb)
Mustanley
07-23-03, 01:31 PM
AQXDA 0313MPMW - 210x12@1.825V
This is on H20 only. 226W TEC in the near future.
not sure where to get the stepping
My AQXDA 0321SPBW posts easily@176*12.5, this seems to be the limit for my ram at stock voltage, i really need pc3200
i keep the bus low in my sig b/c i keep my CAS@2.0
Originally posted by ogboot
My AQXDA 0321SPBW posts easily@176*12.5, this seems to be the limit for my ram at stock voltage, i really need pc3200
i keep the bus low in my sig b/c i keep my CAS@2.0
I had that ram in my board w/a 2500 and it would run at around 195-197 for sure at cas 2.5 and at the most at 200. Yeah you lose a little latency but you gain so much b/w it is worth it...i had to max out the [ram] voltage but w/ the 'spreaders it should stay cool enough. ;)
ArE_eYe_SeE_kAy
07-25-03, 01:09 PM
I just started ocing my AQXEA and got to 200x10 @1.65v with no problem. (well all except my temps kinda stink.) This Zalman fhs works just slightly better than the stinking stock heatsink and fan. So my temps are getting into that uncomfortable level of 54c under full load.
Forman[Nor]
07-25-03, 01:39 PM
XP2500+ AQXDA 0322TPBW
2605Mhz @ 2.08vcore (217*12)
45c load - watercooled.
XP2500+ AQXEA 0321TPCW
2518Mhz @ 2.08vcore (210*12)
46c load - watercooled
Not done pushing this baby
XP2500+ AQXDA 0319MPMW
2350Mhz @ 1.9vcore (224*10.5)
55c load - TT Volcano 7+
Weird chip.. wont post with more than 1.9vcore
I think the AQXEA´s are the best. They just seem to OC better generally.
Originally posted by bill
2480mhz=11x225fsb:burn:
nice oc :D...what is your Vcore and your stepping?
Originally posted by Eroc
nice oc :D...what is your Vcore and your stepping?
AQUCA 0307 , this step seems to like alot of volts. im @ 2.2v in
the bios but usdm reports it @ 2.150. i can get away with less but i mostly benchmark with this rig & bench's mainly 3DMark need more volts. right now i chill to 20c so its not a problem. as soon as i get around to doing a good insulating job ill chill to 0c
maybe -2c or so. @ 20c she'll do 2505mhz but not completely stable. later.
Originally posted by bill
AQUCA 0307 , this step seems to like alot of volts. im @ 2.2v in
the bios but usdm reports it @ 2.150. i can get away with less but i mostly benchmark with this rig & bench's mainly 3DMark need more volts. right now i chill to 20c so its not a problem. as soon as i get around to doing a good insulating job ill chill to 0c
maybe -2c or so. @ 20c she'll do 2505mhz but not completely stable. later.
Killer. i have an AQUCA (right now is not being used) that i got to 2300 (200*11.5) at 1.85V on air (Vantec Aeroflow). it is the first stepping of its kind so it will take lots of volts. The AQXEA's seem to be good low voltage chips...maybe the next 1700 type of chip.
Just updated my sig my 2500+ is rock hard stable 380fsb@2079, stock voltage. nice to see it boot as a 3200+
can u say $350 processor for $70 :P
Originally posted by Eroc
Killer. i have an AQUCA (right now is not being used) that i got to 2300 (200*11.5) at 1.85V on air (Vantec Aeroflow). it is the first stepping of its kind so it will take lots of volts. The AQXEA's seem to be good low voltage chips...maybe the next 1700 type of chip.
2309mhz was as high as i got on air before the temps got a little higher then i like to see. i got a quick 100mhz jump after going to water but it's been a little slow since then. good luck & post your progress.
Originally posted by ogboot
Just updated my sig my 2500+ is rock hard stable 380fsb@2079, stock voltage. nice to see it boot as a 3200+
can u say $350 processor for $70 :P
Nice OC. kt400 are tuff. i could only get about 194fsb on my A7V8X. good luck.
my pc2700 ram is holding me back right now, the cpu posts at 200 but the ram won't take it. posted 190*12@1.775v last night but crashed sandra. haven't done a burn-in or anything so nervous about 2much voltage.
just curious, does ANYBODY actually have a 3200+ or up that could post their stepping and whatnot?
treepop
07-26-03, 04:46 PM
I have a 1700+ D"L"t3c which runs stock at 1.5 volts and I run at 1.875 which is the equivalent of 2.025 for you and I have 0 problems...so I doubt vcore in an issue it's just the heat you need to worry about :D
Originally posted by ogboot
my pc2700 ram is holding me back right now, the cpu posts at 200 but the ram won't take it. posted 190*12@1.775v last night but crashed sandra. haven't done a burn-in or anything so nervous about 2much voltage.
just curious, does ANYBODY actually have a 3200+ or up that could post their stepping and whatnot?
Ogboot. i have 2700 Corsair ram that i have run at 200 on my A7n8x. The thing holding you back is probably your board...the Via chipsets do not lock the pci/agp busses. therefore the higher the bus the more instability you get due to devices running too out-of-spec. Harddrive corruption also can occur.
That is a killer oc for a Via chipset. :cool:
this disappoints me, pc 3200 would do me no good? i will not risk corrupting my drives. what's the point of ddr400 capability then? damn, i was really hoping to lock the bus down before i played with the multiplier and Vcore anymore......
Originally posted by ogboot
this disappoints me, pc 3200 would do me no good? i will not risk corrupting my drives. what's the point of ddr400 capability then? damn, i was really hoping to lock the bus down before i played with the multiplier and Vcore anymore......
I feel your pain...check your pci divider. i am not sure where in the bios it is but it should be there and may be adjustable. if the divider is 1/5 then at 190 your bus is at 38Mhz which is as high as i would take it. If your divider can be set to 1/6 then you can go higher. you may be able to hit 200 with that divider (200/6=33), which is what the pci bus was meant to run at.
hope this helps.
i checked up, my soyo drops back down to 33 @200fsb, however, still no post not sure of the cause. i had to revert to factory specs to surf the net this weekend b/c the AC is out in my apt. almost 90F so needless to say i haven't been on the pc much except to look at prometia and peltier systems :P
Interesting. when mine would not post it was timings or ram voltage, but i am not sure in your case. may be Vcore even. just get it cool and see what you can do.
btw: bartons, as i have seen, seem to be able to handle voltage and temps fairly well. I was floating just under 60C and it was stable.
Bill:
2309mhz was as high as i got on air before the temps got a little higher then i like to see. i got a quick 100mhz jump after going to water but it's been a little slow since then. good luck & post your progress.
that is real good w/an AQUCA on air. right now i am running the 1700 in my sig...had to get one while they were still around :D It seems to do well and i plan on pin modding to up my vcore so i can push for 2400 or 2500. Dang asus board maxes at 1.75 on 1.5V tbred's.
Thats 1 of the reasons i switched from asus to epox. my a7v8x wouldnt work with the overvolt jumper on the high side. it didnt show any diffrents in the bios & wouldnt boot at all. the asus tech's told me they couldnt tell me how to fix it because they wouldnt be held responceable for damage due to OCing"WTF"!!
i figured it out on my own, you leave the jumper off & it gives you 1.95v no matter what you set it to in the bios. so i went as high as i could then switched. good luck.
Originally posted by bill
Thats 1 of the reasons i switched from asus to epox. my a7v8x wouldnt work with the overvolt jumper on the high side. it didnt show any diffrents in the bios & wouldnt boot at all. the asus tech's told me they couldnt tell me how to fix it because they wouldnt be held responceable for damage due to OCing"WTF"!!
i figured it out on my own, you leave the jumper off & it gives you 1.95v no matter what you set it to in the bios. so i went as high as i could then switched. good luck.
1.95!!! I only have air cooling and don't think i can handle that much heat. thanks for the hint though.
It was a little hot but not as bad as you would think 39c idle 44c
load w/slk800 & TT 80mm, but i lapped the hell out of the slk.
ill never go back to air tho! now on water (chilled) @ 2480mhz idle
16c load 19c w/2.15v vcore:eek:
Originally posted by PhobMX
id like to know how to look for the revision version of my a7v333 also, since only 2.0s support bartons :(
Mines just above the bios battery, "REV. 1.04", damn no barton on that board!!!! :(
Oh well, i'll just have to wait for my Abit NF7-S v2.0 to arrive! :D
Looks like the 2500+ is a nice upgrade. Since my rig has run 166 FSB all it's life, a 2500+ should at least be no prob, right? I see a few 8RDA+ out there, anyone running a 2500+ on a 8K5A2+?
Tanx!
ArE_eYe_SeE_kAy
07-29-03, 10:42 AM
Alright! off topic. but how did you get an avitar already DNAT!
Originally posted by ArE_eYe_SeE_kAy
Alright! off topic. but how did you get an avitar already DNAT! Look in faq @ top of page.
Originally posted by BigL
Mines just above the bios battery, "REV. 1.04", damn no barton on that board!!!! :(
Oh well, i'll just have to wait for my Abit NF7-S v2.0 to arrive! :D
check for updates you never know...I had a shuttle AK35GT2R and it did not support my 2500 though...I had to run it under-clocked until I got my A7N8X, so i feel your pain.
Good luck with that Abit and let me know how it oc's. ( i'm looking for a better oc board than this Asus ;) )
AXDA2500KV4D F406067240062
AQXDA 0322RPFW
OEM CPU Shipped on 24JULY03
works fine at 184 x 12
That's what newegg sent me.
Voodoo_fx
07-29-03, 10:03 PM
Can't remember the stepping.. but it does 2.3 Ghz
11.5 x 200 @ 1.8vcore on an Aero7+ HS/Fan
PC3500 HyperX
http://www.baker5.com/athlon/athlontest1.JPG
http://www.baker5.com/athlon/memory.JPG
11.5x217fsb (2497mhz) chilled 14c idle 19c load.
hey voodoo, off topic how does that quadro2 card do ya? i'd like to know how it compares to other nvidia commercial cards
(update) 2507mhz=11.5x218fsb stable! 10c idle 16c load.
testing 2541mhz(220fsb)
Sir Barton
08-11-03, 10:44 PM
im at 215x11 right now, RAM and PSU seem to be limiting me, but im loving it. this board is good too, awesome bang for the buck.
EROC: So far so good, check the sig.
I need better memory, Kingmax suck at high fsb!
Looks good...we'll see what that DUT3C can do.
You already have me on fsb. :) check sig.
Eroc: what have you got then, DUT3C or DLT3C like my new one.
Doesn't say in sig.
:)
wow sir barton, about got the voltage maxed out huh, my soyo only goes to 1.85 on this chip
I've heard mixed results about the AQXDA and AQXEA steppings, but most seem to be able to at least hit 3200+ (2.2GHz). AQZEA may prove to be a winner if we can get lots of results in.
What are your opinions guys and girls?
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2066670#post2066670
Can you help me out?
:)
I have the DLT3C the "L" meaning a stock Voltage of 1.5 where the "U" means 1.6 volts.
my recommendation on ram is on your other forum.
Thanks Eroc, i might have to plug in the DLT3C next to me early, and let my friend find the limits of my current DUT3C!
:]
2541mhz(11.5x221fsb) was the max i got from my AQUCA0307vpaw. i think it could go higher but my Epox only goes to 2.2v vcore(undervolted 2.150v) so its been semiretired for now.
Now im back to a 1700(JIUHB)@2725mhz(12.5x218fsb).
AQUCA 0307 WPAW. Mine hits a wall around 2280 MHz @ 1.90v. Prime95 first test always failed @ any frequency above 2280 regardless of multiple x FSB combinations (e.g., 11.5x200, 12x191, 10.5x218, etc). Prime95 ran 24 hours without any error at 2280 (10.5 x 217.16). AQUCA seems to require more Vcore to OC than other stepping.
userA: Could be your memory or board holding you back, but you are probably right!!
Bill: Is your thoroughbred watercooled? If not thats a massive overclock for air, what are your temps and volts? I'm stuck at 2.3GHz at the mo, 218MHz x 10.5 (not gone over 1.9v though, and happy on 1.7v), any ideas???
BigL:
I think it isn't the MB or memory that's holding me back. With the same MB, most people who have newer steppings can do over 2.3GHz easily with lower vcore. Also with a lower FSB (e.g. 191 x 12) my 2500+ still couldn't run over 2280 MHz while it runs fine at 217 x 10.5. I guess I got an average AQUCA.
OC-Master
09-01-03, 10:20 PM
Ok so from the looks of it the AQZEA Barton sounds to be hitting a a wall at 2.50GHz on AIR on average. Man, we need more people to get this stepping so we can see if you get a garanteed 2.50GHz when you buy this CPU stepping :D
OC-Master
I agree with ocmaster. I want one of these beasts.
As for me my AQUCA maxed out at 2280(190*12) for sure and seemed stable for a few days crunching at 2300 (200*11.5). I was running a 1.85 Vcore with temps around 55-59C on a Vantec Aeroflow.
My rig in my sig is limited by MB. D#@& 1.06 rev. board!
Edit: my math was off :o
Malakai
09-05-03, 02:54 PM
I just got an
AQXEA 0329 2500+ from newegg.
Installing now, I'll report back
[anticipation++]
userA: I think i'm in the same boat, I just can't break 2.3GHz (2.29GHz in bios) but i've got another B core on its way, almost same stepping as the one I have but with JIUHB 0319WPMW, see if its any better, if not you will probably see it on ebay soon, LOL!!! :)
If a can't do better I may switch to a barton if I see one around!!! AQZEA you say, know of anywhere in blighty that sells them??? :D
Off Topic:
OC-Master: who is that as your avatar? :drool: same girl as before? :eh?:
BigL: you have the same stepping i have in my sig. You should be able to get a little more out of that chip. At 1.75 I am hitting 2367 (197*12). I can't get any more bus out of this board with out mods. I have upped my vcore to 1.85V to attain 2437 (195*12.5), but temps sometimes get too hot. I think you could push a little more with that Abit board.
7h3r4py
09-06-03, 03:25 PM
Barton 2500+
AQXEA 0329
200x11@1.6v
SLK900u + 80mm Tornado
Perfectly stable with very good temperatures
I am yet to go further.
Eroc: Trying to keep the FSB as high as possible, but when I have a moment i'll give those a try, thanks. :)
BigL: Cool...You may be able to get more fsb out of that ram. It is designed to run at 250, though your board may not support that high of an fsb. either way you may squeeze more out..
Oh yeah...the WPMW's tend to need more juice the faster you clock them. Like I posted earlier i had 1.75 at 2367 and had to jump all the way to 1.85 for 2437.
Good luck man! :D
Well, I need to buy a CPU in 2 days, and I am considering a barton 2500+...
I can get a used 2100+ that does 2415MHz at 1.85V on air.
Should I prefer to gamble on a new barton?
Have you resulted in any good stepping, or is it pure luck?
BigL: Good luck with JIUHB 0319WPMW! :)
Barton AQZEA 0329 is the latest stepping. I haven't seen any OC results. Logically it's probably a good stepping.
Eroc: I'll think i'll try to flash the bois to the latest first, see if it helps or not! Asus where so much easier, you could flash the bios from windows, Abit won't let you! :(
userA: Thanks, i'll try my best. I can't wait to see the new stepping on sale in the UK, i'll have to buy and try one!!!! :D
Please help me, tomorow I must buy a CPU. What are your results on a barton?
Should i get a 2415 Tbred (possibly 2500 on water)
or try a Barton?
What is teh lowest OC a barton 2500+ could get? 2200?
What MHz would I need to have equal performance with a Tbred 2500MHz and is it probable I can reach them on water?
Please respond, ABSOLUTE IMPORTANCE, tomorow I must buy...
RedDawg41
09-07-03, 04:50 PM
easy OSFP...
newegg.com has been right on with the xp2500 Barton.
I bought 2 retail boxes...
AXDA2500 KV4D Y864917260873 AXEA 0330 VPMW
AXDA2500 KV4D Y864717200763 AXEA 0330 VPMW
both will do 2.2GHz @stock vcore with retail heatsink. that's 400Mhz over stock cpuspeed. I got them up to 2.400GHz, 1.75v but didn't have enough time to throughly test/prime them for further stability.
Please be aware that getting any xp2500 Barton will not gaurantee you instant 2.4-2.5Ghz OC. Everthing depends on what you already have within your own rig. Just don't set your expectations too high only to realize that you couldn't get to what you wanted to do.
Could really do with a newegg.co.uk, for those of us that expect the best and always get disapointed with whats on offer over here! :)
I realy wouldn't mind giving a barton with good stepping a full workout in my rig! :D
OSFP...If you go for a Tbred go to www.excaliberpc.com. It is $73.00 for retail and you will get either a WPMW or an XPMW. It is $60.00 at newegg retail. You may get a WPMW or an XPMW. I am not so sure of Newegg but retail will most likely be a good stepping.
I got mine at excaliber for around $70.00 oem with a guaranteed stepping.
BTW: a Barton's larger cache (as i have heard) seems to give it a 100mhz performance over an equally clocked Tbred. So a 2.4 Barton would perform about like a 2.5 Tbred.
Eroc: Is that a general/average performance increase or is that a task specific performance increase?
I ask because I have heard the extra cache helps with multimedia functions but there is no increase in SETI style floating point operations!!
RedDawg41
09-08-03, 04:37 AM
Damn dude, just as things were going so well, you dropped the ball and mention SETI.... ohhh, such a disapointment.
RedDawg41: Its all over my sig, and its a good way to test stability and compare performance between setups (p4/XP/mac etc.)! :o
Once I get to the top 100 at ocsetiteam i'll probably switch to folding instead!!! :p
Eroc: I haven't flashed yet but I thought I would try 200x11, 200x11.5 and 200x12. Not to bad, working at 208x11.5@1.85v at the moment, going ok but things are getting hotter around here!!! :)
RedDawg41
09-08-03, 06:22 AM
BigL
I saw your SETI on ur sig awhile back... nothing wrong with it for testing and helping out those dang aliens out there! heck, we got alot of them crossing the southern borders here an I didn't need no SETI to figure out where they came from! :)
BigL: I think it is for probably both. I heard of it in general terms but you can use the "compare" button on SetiSpy and you can see it takes some time of the wu at the same freq.
Also good to hear you are running well. BTW: what are your temps at that new clock and (i am sure it I overlooked it in your sig) what is your cpu fan?
AQXEA 0330
2500+ @ 2333 Mhz (14x166)
everybody's gotta use somethin to error check.
y not seti, i've used it before, prefer folding or prime though
hell go play ut2003 for about 2 hours, your system will let u know if there is 2 much stress :D
Eroc: I use a zalmon copper heatsink with a 120mm Delta Screamer 190cfm@12v running at approx 8v. The temp went from 35 to 41c @ 205x11.5, however after about 3 hours it became unstable :( , so i'm back to 205x11.0@1.775v with memory @ 1:1 2-3-3-6 at the moment! :-/
Stilll can't complain, its still running about 160% of stock, and this is the best timmings I have ever got from the geil so far! :)
OC-Master
09-27-03, 12:51 AM
Ok,
So I have made my final decision and I guess I'm going with the Barton 2500+. Only two factors arrise for me now, one being when I can get it for under $100 Canadian not including tax or shipping and two,
if my pin mod goes through successful..
If there is anyone here with the AQZEA stepping and has some input.. Send me your results pleazze!
Thankyou in advance.
OC-Master
Originally posted by 69Goat
AQXEA 0330
2500+ @ 2333 Mhz (14x166)
What voltage ?
Col_Loki
09-27-03, 11:27 AM
Xp2500+ Aquca 0307 mpmw , 2212mhz @1.85v with a volcano 7 + Xaser II case (5 fans).
Xp2500+ Aquca 0308 vpaw , 2480mhz @ 1.87v with water cooling. Xp3200+ @ 1.55v
Xp2500+ Aqxea 0330 vpmw , 2480mhz @ 2.05v with water. Xp3200+ @ 1.62v
Running the Aquca 0308 @ 2480mhz at the min. Results are prime stable for 24hrs. Water cooling - innovatek XXS kit.
2500+ AQXEA 0329 XPMW 2200@1.725 on crappy air cooler (dr. thermal ti-V7725L)
not very amazing...
Akira283-IGN
09-28-03, 01:14 AM
Weeks, sSpecs and steppings are practically useless. This is because not every CPU from every stepping and week is overclocked, so it's impossible to know the best overall. People only know which ones seem to overclock the best. Overclocking is unpredictable because a CPU from a popular stepping/sSpec/week might overclock poorly, and likewise a CPU from an unpopular stepping/sSpec/week might do very well. Less than 5% of CPUs are actually overclocked, so no one can argue that one type overclocks more than another.
Another factor is user error. A certain CPU might be capable of 3.3GHz on air-cooling, but if the user isn't a very knowledgeable overclocker, or one or more of his components are sub-standard, he may only reach 3GHz. This user then decides to go on some forum and write about his "crappy stepping that only reaches 3GHz," when the fact is that the CPU is capable of more. This is why no stepping will guarantee a good overclock, or indicate the speed you will get. Every CPU is different, so the only way to find out how far you can overclock is to try it and see.
As a general rule, the newer the CPU, the more overclocking potential it has.
Akira283-IGN
09-28-03, 01:14 AM
Double post.
Barton 2500+ AQXEA 0311
200X11 works for me at 1.7v with a crappy cooler. The CPU seems to have just as much headroom as my JIUHB 1700+.
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