Want to give Intel a fair shot, please suggest CPU/Mobo/RAM

[Morbid]

I've been with AMD since I can remember. I have a P4 1.8a box, but it's not set up to unleash the full power of the chip (256mb DDR PC2100 with NO memory option on the crappy mobo).

I didn't know where to shove this in the Intel section, so I thought i'd put it here since all you guys know Intel chips so well (I assume). :)

So, what's the best overclocking P4 now? I'd like to be able to reach 3GHz pretty easy and stable... or start out with a 3.06 and go from there. Doesn't matter the cost, I just want it to be fast :D

Also, which motherboard suites the P4 the best in terms of overclocking/stability?

RAM? DDR? RDRAM? Whatever other form of foreign memory Intel may use now? ;) Speed?

If someone could help me out ,that would be awesome. Oh, almost forgot to ask about a HSF for the P4... if you could suggest one that's fairly quite (unlike a Tornado equipped heatsink).. that would be cool. I'll look at the database on the oc.com front page and see which one works better. I'll eventually go prometia i'm sure.

[sangapski]

2.4C or higher (depends on your budget)
on a Abit IC7 or Asus P4C800
and PC3500 RAM
SLK-900u for HS

[Morbid]

Again, budget is not a concern here. I just don't want to buy the fastest chip and it not overclock worth crap. :)

PC3500? Manufacturer? Corsair? XMS 3500 C2?

[nikhsub1]

Im in the same boat as you Morbid... been with AMD forever! I think I have nailed down what I am going to get. 2.4C and the Asus P4P800 or the P4P800 Deluxe, both Springdale. As for ram, I have some excellent Twinmos with Winbond BH-5 Chips that will do 221 Sync at 5-2-2-2 timings in my AMD system so they should work nice, I also have some 3500 EL DDR to try out as well.

[FIZZ3]

Originally posted by nikhsub1
Im in the same boat as you Morbid... been with AMD forever! I think I have nailed down what I am going to get. 2.4C and the Asus P4P800 or the P4P800 Deluxe, both Springdale. As for ram, I have some excellent Twinmos with Winbond BH-5 Chips that will do 221 Sync at 5-2-2-2 timings in my AMD system so they should work nice, I also have some 3500 EL DDR to try out as well.

Springdale? Why not go with Canterwood? It won't be prohibitively more expensive and gets you PAT as well as more certain overclocking and timing options. I've seen one user here that had a very poor experience overclocking-wise with a springdale board... might turn out to be the trend.

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by FIZZ3


Springdale? Why not go with Canterwood? It won't be prohibitively more expensive and gets you PAT as well as more certain overclocking and timing options. I've seen one user here that had a very poor experience overclocking-wise with a springdale board... might turn out to be the trend.
Hmm, excuse my ignorance but PAT, what is it? I have seen some tests of the PCP800 against the Canterwood's and it faired VERY well, better than most Canterwoods in the tests. Maybe I'm back to the IC7?

[micamica1217]

Originally posted by nikhsub1

Hmm, excuse my ignorance but PAT, what is it? I have seen some tests of the PCP800 against the Canterwood's and it faired VERY well, better than most Canterwoods in the tests. Maybe I'm back to the IC7?

ok, first PAT is a feature that the canterwood nothbridge has and the springdale chipset doesn't.
infact, intel tested the northbridges and if it doesn't pass it goes to springdale.
what PAT is, is a performance boost in memory speed.
it's a small boost, that many may not notice.
it also starts at 200fsb, so realy only good for mostly the new 800 chips.

read the front page about springdale's relise...I agree that with springdale, you may get a poor OCer.

the only good idea is getting a 533 cpu and springdale...yet I would still get the best pc3500 or pc3700 I could find.

I'm running on the IC7 a 2.4b and wish I had better memory.
yet my next upgrade will be the early prescotts and newer, faster memory(that is not out yet.).

at this time you'll see about a 5-10% diffrance in real world benchies and progies with a 533 vs 800 cpu's at the same GHZ.

if you need to save money, get a 533, but never skimp on the mobo or memory.

mica

[nikhsub1]

Mica are you happy with the IC7? Are you able to go over 275 FSB?

[Morbid]

alright.... so, i'm thinking...

2.4c (800mhz FSB) w/ Thermalright's 900-U
2x512mb Corsair XMS 3500 C2 Platinum
Asus P4C800

How does that sound? Fairly decent? Would it be able to top 3GHz? I know overclocking has many factors, but given the track record of the 2.4c's ... how do you think it would fair?

Does the P4C800 have the Canterwood NB? I'd like a Canterwood, is that the P4P800.. or is that the Springdale?

PCP800... lol I don't know where I got that from :beer:

[FIZZ3]

Originally posted by nikhsub1
Mica are you happy with the IC7? Are you able to go over 275 FSB?

Or look at it this way: if the IC7 can't go over 275Mhz reliably, do you think the IS-7 will? :)

[FIZZ3]

Originally posted by Morbid
alright.... so, i'm thinking...

2.4c (800mhz FSB) w/ Thermalright's 900-U
2x512mb Corsair XMS 3500 C2 Platinum
Asus P4C800

How does that sound? Fairly decent? Would it be able to top 3GHz? I know overclocking has many factors, but given the track record of the 2.4c's ... how do you think it would fair?

Does the P4C800 have the Canterwood NB? I'd like a Canterwood, is that the PCP800.. or is that the Springdale?

Sounds good. 3Ghz seems fairly likely.

P4C800 is Canterwood indeed.

[micamica1217]

Originally posted by nikhsub1
Mica are you happy with the IC7? Are you able to go over 275 FSB?

I'm very happy with my IC7...yet I'm using a 533 2.4b cpu in my rig.
I can do up to 195fsb rock stable with this 133fsb cpu.
no way I can this on my old asus P4PE....asus has a poor voltage regulator on it.
infact on AZN's asus granitbay mobo this chip only did 185fsb.

btw, xms3500 should work great.

sorry I can't tell you if my IC7 can do over 275fsb...I would like to know as well.

mica

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by FIZZ3


Or look at it this way: if the IC7 can't go over 275Mhz reliably, do you think the IS-7 will? :)
Who said anything about the IS7? Not me. I was first considering the P4P800...

[sangapski]

Originally posted by Morbid
alright.... so, i'm thinking...

2.4c (800mhz FSB) w/ Thermalright's 900-U
2x512mb Corsair XMS 3500 C2 Platinum
Asus P4C800

How does that sound? Fairly decent? Would it be able to top 3GHz? I know overclocking has many factors, but given the track record of the 2.4c's ... how do you think it would fair?

Does the P4C800 have the Canterwood NB? I'd like a Canterwood, is that the P4P800.. or is that the Springdale?

PCP800... lol I don't know where I got that from :beer:

that setup would be great...
P4C800 is the Canterwood....

[clash]

Gee, looks like a lot of us AMD users are jumping ship... Myself included

[FIZZ3]

Originally posted by nikhsub1

Who said anything about the IS7? Not me. I was first considering the P4P800...

I meant to illustrate that when you have doubts whether known 'solid' Canterwood boards can reach a certain goal (275Mhz fsb in this case), that it's unlikely that the cheaper, (theoretically) inferior chipset of the same design will do better. Sorry if I was not clear.

[Anaxagoras1986]

Originally posted by clash
Gee, looks like a lot of us AMD users are jumping ship... Myself included

Pondering over it aswell....
Although I am not going to upgrade until this summer.

[nikhsub1]

Originally posted by FIZZ3


I meant to illustrate that when you have doubts whether known 'solid' Canterwood boards can reach a certain goal (275Mhz fsb in this case), that it's unlikely that the cheaper, (theoretically) inferior chipset of the same design will do better. Sorry if I was not clear.
Well something is going on with the P4P800 Deluxe...
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=556&page=1

[FIZZ3]

Originally posted by nikhsub1

Well something is going on with the P4P800 Deluxe...
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=556&page=1

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDc1LDU=

http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=1823&p=18

http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q2/intel-865/index.x?pg=11

http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/springdale/10.shtml

http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030521/800fsb-18.html

Logic leads to the performance distribution I talked about. These reviews confirm this. I believe hardware review sites make errors on a regular basis, and that is why it's best to side with the majority. The chance that they got it right is simply higher.

You are free to place your bets on Hexus.net, of course. I can't help slipping in this tip off the front page, which I thought was particularly interesting to this discussion:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00379/

[Vio1]

Okay, here are my final choices... please help me choose:

1) Asus P4C800 Deluxe
or
2) Abit IC7-G



WHich to get? and why?


Another question. I have a ide hdd and I plan to get a second and set them in raid0... Does the ASus or Abit board come with converters so that i can plug my ide in SATA and set them in raid? Does the IC7 have it?

Another question ... the gigabyte lan that comes with my two choices... would I be able to hook up my adsl on them? My dsl is 1.0mbs (therefore I wont need to buy a ethernet card??)

[batboy]

You will not need an ethernet card with the built in LAN. The IC7 does not have any SATA converter cables. The IC7-G has only one SATA convertor cable (why only one I have no idea).

[Vio1]

does the asus p4c800 have 2 SATA converter cables?
Does anyone know if the asus p4p800 will o/c well?

[micamica1217]

Originally posted by ViolaDude
Okay, here are my final choices... please help me choose:

1) Asus P4C800 Deluxe
or
2) Abit IC7-G



WHich to get? and why?


Another question. I have a ide hdd and I plan to get a second and set them in raid0... Does the ASus or Abit board come with converters so that i can plug my ide in SATA and set them in raid? Does the IC7 have it?

Another question ... the gigabyte lan that comes with my two choices... would I be able to hook up my adsl on them? My dsl is 1.0mbs (therefore I wont need to buy a ethernet card??)

I would go with the IC7-G....

it comes with only one converter for raid...you'll need two ver.2 converters for what you want to do.
infact, I'm doing the same thing in about two months.
the IC7 has better raid and a much better voltage regulator.
(this may equal a higher OC for you)

this next statment is not realy aimed at you alone....

all the questions you asked seemed to be ansered all over the place on the intel cpu and intel mobo forums....
why don't people just start reading other posts???
or do a search???

last night I must have ansered the same questions 3 times.
witch was the same questions that was asked durring the day before, and the day before and so on....

btw, the asus P4C800 seems like a good choice too if your not scared of the ATI 9700 problem and you don't mind having a non intel raid.

good luck

mica

[Vio1]

does the asus or abit mobos come with ver 2 converters? Whats the difference from ver 1?

[micamica1217]

Originally posted by ViolaDude
does the asus p4c800 have 2 SATA converter cables?
Does anyone know if the asus p4p800 will o/c well?

the P4P800 should OC well...

yet here is somthing to think about. (http://www.overclockers.com/tips00379/)

mica

[Vio1]

does the asus or abit mobos come with ver 2 converters? Whats the difference from ver 1?