Frigen my pc....need some advice

[treepop]

...alrighty my plan is to put my mobo in my refridgerator....and after it is in I plan to put 2-as many boxes as needed of baking soda to attain lower condensation...with just 2 I noticed a definate difference..but I don't wanna risk it so I am going to try around 4......I am hoping to attain temps of 0 celcius and below :D.....anyone have any advice :).....maybe some other form of reducing condensation etc....thanks a ton...and wish me luck :D

[nealric]

LoL @ Bakin soda :D

Why dont you just cover the mobo with some nice silicone spray or liquid electrical tape?

[Excelsior]

OR dump all the baking soda over your mobo :)

I dont think that thing will lst very long man.. even thought he baking soda may prevent a bit of condensation eventually its going to get to it... and blamo some condensation just shorted out your mobo :( :(

[Warlord2]

do you guys no what baking soda will do? It takes away moister thats in the air. No moister = no condensation.

treepop Ive never seen this done so i donno if it will work or not.
Good luck, maybe someone else will knows if it has been done or not.

[Excelsior]

Yes i do.

But it doseent take away ALL The moisture in the air.. it takes away *A PORTION* of the moisture...

There will still be more moisture and it will condense but that would help a bit..

persnally i hopefully will be insulating my pipes and my mobo when i go chilled watercooling but for added security i will be adding a anti moisture product.

If we coul djust go with a box of baking soda instead of insulating then no one would be insulating thier motehrboards just rather putting in a box and taking it out every now and then

[four4875]

you guys realise what causes condensation? when something is colder than the air around it. and when all of the components on the board are makin heat, they get WARMER than the air around it, so there will be no condensation issues. and if he dont open the fridge, it wont let any more moisture in,so its not like it will need the moisture continually taken out, it'll just be like a one time pop every time the fridge is opened.

[treepop]

interesting..xX~EXCELSIOR~Xx ..where would I go to get some insulating or stuff that stops condensation on my board......also thanks to the fellas that gave me props.:D.....also just ta let ya know I am gunna run an experient on a cheaper setup to verify if it is going to work or not :D..not just gunna stick $1000 worth of supplies into this experiement...thanks again all of yall for the advice and props :D

[poMONKey]

:eek: R.I.P.

[four4875]

dude... insulating the board will be unnecesary. let a piece of metal sit in the sun for a few hours, and get nice and toasty warm. then set it in the fridge, and see how much condensation is on it. that'll proove that the insulation is completely unnecessary.

[treepop]

four4875
that seems like a really great idea I will try that before I try my test setup :D

[Excelsior]

Four the thing is..

There are several METAL parts in the computer obviously.

Metal conducts heat better than silicon.

The plastic will be WARMER and will be AROUND the metal...condensation will form just a tiny bit... jsut enough to make one electrical connection... and there goes your mobo.

[treepop]

xX~EXCELSIOR~Xx

...can you gimmie some advice...like where to buy this stuff that insulates the mobo etc....?

[Excelsior]

Well sometimes automotive places have a tpye of silicon spray dealie

basically you cover your PCI and other input ports and spray your entire mobo...

[athayer187]

Hey goys, hate to break it to you, but condensation only forms when something is colder than ambient temp. That's why you get condensation on your cold soda in the summer, but not your hot coffee in the winter.

[Warlord2]

dude I think it will work just fine, as long as the mobo doesnt get colder then the air inside the fridge wich will only happen when you open up the fridge to a warmer air outside then you will be just fine.

So just make sure you have everything hooked up externaly so you dont need to open up the door. Also make sure you have the hard drives outside of the fridge sense they dont like the cold.

Im just not sure if the fridge will be able to keep up with the heat load. If you can cut the plastic away so that the evaporator coils are showing then it would work better. Also stick a fan on the condenser so they have active cooling.

[Excelsior]

All right

Would you like to fair 10 dollars that it wont stay operational ni the fridge for 45 days?

Im game if you are game.

[treepop]

erg all of these conflicting opinions....so the only way to settle this is for me to get me a dummy board and cpu......:D...I will post resaults once I am done with this experiement :D

[Warlord2]

stick a light bulb in the fridge and i can assure you there is going to be no condensation on it. Try it with a dummy board if you want, also baking soda cant hurt anything. If you can get a propane heater sticking at the fridge then you can make sure there is very little water already in it before you stick the mobo inside. There is also clay type of stuff that soaks up liquid really well that you can buy.

[four4875]

i'd be up for that bet.

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by four4875
i'd be up for that bet.

all Right

As long as you agree not to influence him not to post if it dies or anything i will do same and i am in. Paypal alright if you win?

and by not functional i mean not booting up in the fridge.. doesent mean if it shorts out in fridge and he gets it cleaned off and it works that u win...

tell me if your still in.

Anyone else wanna get in?

[treepop]

sheesh I betta get some spare parts assembled quick if you all are betting on me :D

[four4875]

i dont wanna bet on his ability to mod it into the fridg, but whether the board will collect condensation, and cause ANY instability.

[four4875]

oh, and i dont have paypal. it'll have to be a money order

[Konnan10101]

just get alot fo dialectric grease and cover the whole thing in it, i mena dialectric grease keeps the air of of the tiny spaces between evaproator and cpu why not work with entire mobo, just basically submerge your mobo in dialectric grease (kind of messy but c'est la vie)

[Excelsior]

Nah he cant do that

that would taint the bet ;)

[four4875]

plus it'd a PITA to do. and it's unneeded, too :-P

[surlyjoe]

four4875 is right, there is no way the mobo can get colder than the interior of the fridge w/out opening the door, also the ice that will form on the evaporator is the moisture being drawn out of the air by the frozen coils.

I am running a case with water powered AC in it and my water is colder than the case, but still no condensation cause it dries the air on the way in and never reaches the dewpoint.

heres a link. :rolleyes:
http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17500

[BrassClackers]

Um... It should work fine as long as he doesn't turn off his board. Metal conducts cold (heat) rather well. If he turns it off, it has a better chance of getting condensation. I'd have it as an 'always on' computer.

[four4875]

come on, we need updates, so we know who wins the bet

[treepop]

Have been moving into my new house! WOOT!...and also gata take drivers ed....but soon I will have that pos e-machine at my grasps WOOHOOO!

[four4875]

hehe... my dad had an "E-tower 667 ir" that died.. its mobo went ka-POOP! i should snatch that CPU and put it in this board.... hmmm.....

[CamH]

My first post! :D

Anywoo, I'm considering buying a mini fridge to stick my computer inside of. The computer's never off, so I don't think condensation will be a problem. (It's never been shut down for more time than is required to add more RAM since last summer) Of course, I'd still use silicon and baking soda.

What I'm worried about is the fridge itself. How well would it work, and how long would it last? Are there any ways to extend its life?

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by CamH
My first post! :D

Anywoo, I'm considering buying a mini fridge to stick my computer inside of. The computer's never off, so I don't think condensation will be a problem. (It's never been shut down for more time than is required to add more RAM since last summer) Of course, I'd still use silicon and baking soda.

What I'm worried about is the fridge itself. How well would it work, and how long would it last? Are there any ways to extend its life?

Well one thign is for sure make sure you have SOME type of even a passive heatsink on the cpu.

The fridge should last for quite a while

btw....























WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!!!

[CamH]

Originally posted by xX~EXCELSIOR~Xx


Well one thign is for sure make sure you have SOME type of even a passive heatsink on the cpu.

The fridge should last for quite a while

btw....
WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!!!

I'd certainly keep my CPU heatsink and fan. They're both oversized, but I forgot what they are (other than loud). For some reason, it still hangs around 60C, which I think is way too much. I'm gonna lap it later today, but I don't think that will do the trick as well as I would like, and I've got the money for a mini fridge.

Thanks. I think I'll be hanging around these forums. Seems like a nice place.

[Excelsior]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CamH


I'd certainly keep my CPU heatsink and fan. They're both oversized, but I forgot what they are (other than loud). For some reason, it still hangs around 60C, which I think is way too much. I'm gonna lap it later today, but I don't think that will do the trick as well as I would like, and I've got the money for a mini fridge.

Thanks. I think I'll be hanging around these forums. Seems like a nice place. [/QUOTE

Mhmm

The fan wouldnt be tooo neccessary since the fridge has air circulating.. but it sure couldnt hurt :)

http://www.oc-ware.com/reviews/607031.php

I suggest taht lapping kit that i just did a review of... its a really good kit that is cheap and it goes up to grits of 2000 ins andpaper and a 10000 grit compound.

there amay be more to your higher temps. what board do youh ave? It might be reading it wrong. You do use thermal paste correct? did you use too much? Starta new thread and tell us all about your rig and such and we will try to help you get that 60 degrees down :)

Laters,

Excelsior

[CamH]

A fan wouldn't be needed? Excellent! That thing's loud. ;)

Gonna run off and make another thread, as you suggested. :p

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by CamH
A fan wouldn't be needed? Excellent! That thing's loud. ;)

Gonna run off and make another thread, as you suggested. :p

A fan might help but i am thinking that a passively cooled one might be all right. But then again using a fan actually probably will bring temperatures down quiiiiiite a bit...


But hey you really dont have to deal with noise! fridges are insulated ! :)

[CamH]

I've got a little over a hundred dollars set to the side now. I'm on the hunt for a good mini fridge! :D

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by CamH
I've got a little over a hundred dollars set to the side now. I'm on the hunt for a good mini fridge! :D

If you can find used in your area you can find a GOOD min i FREEZER for that price ^_^ that would be damn awesome :)

[CamH]

Mini freezer, eh? There's a huge, town-wide garage sale a few miles away. Maybe I should stop by...

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by CamH
Mini freezer, eh? There's a huge, town-wide garage sale a few miles away. Maybe I should stop by...


Most definitely :)

Garage sale sare your friend for things like these. Make sure to have them test it in front of you before thought o make sure it works.

[CamH]

I just laid purchase to a "mini" fridge. I think I'll mod it and show some pics later tonight. :)

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by CamH
I just laid purchase to a "mini" fridge. I think I'll mod it and show some pics later tonight. :)

:clap:

I hope everything goes well for ya :)

[four4875]

hey... i wanna know when i get my 40 bux!

[poMONKey]

Originally posted by CamH
I just laid purchase to a "mini" fridge. I think I'll mod it and show some pics later tonight. :)

w00h00! i got a mini in the garage just waiting to see what someone else does first... :D :-/

i guess it does seem possible, if you are careful... hmmm, dielectric grease, just in case?

[CamH]

I'm thinking silicon spray.

[CamH]

Just so you know, I've got a spare motherboard and video card if something goes wrong. Can you say a good excuse to upgrade? I can. :D

[poMONKey]

ahhh... silicon. is that a perm thing? like bad?

[CamH]

It's generally used for waterproofing and lubrication. In this application, it's used to prevent any condensation from harming the computer.

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by CamH
It's generally used for waterproofing and lubrication. In this application, it's used to prevent any condensation from harming the computer.

Mhmmmm but read the first posts in this thread :D

I still say moores law will go itno affect and something will go wrong and taht you should spray it :)

But if you follow everyone elses advice..you dont need anything on it

[CamH]

If everyone's right, it won't hurt to spray it.

If you're right, it won't hurt to spray it.

It's a win-win situation. :p

[CamH]

Sliiight problem. The case I was gonna rip up to do this thing is pop riveted. I'm gonna have to wait until tomorrow to get a drill.

[SpaceRangerJoe]

you probably want to be careful covering the mobo with anything. there are plenty of little things on the mobo that get hot, that are just exposed (mosfets, south bridge, stuff like that). ok, so southbridges dont usually get hot, but they produce heat. while things like mosfets dont NEED heatsinks, covering them with something that could hinder their ability to transfer heat into the air is not a good thing. i dont know how well a silicon conducts heat, so it MIGHT lead to things over heating. granted, being in a fridge would probably negate this problem, but its just something to consider.

with that said, someone do something already!! hehe. i want to see how this goes.

i remember reading in popular science several years ago that some company was going to be releasing a refridgerated case. all the panels and such were insulated. all you had to do was assemble the stuff as usual. of course, i dont ever remember reading about that case after i saw it in there.:D

[poMONKey]

oh man... get that drill!

its getting hot here, 40°c idle!!!!

[CamH]

I'm building it now. The computer boots and runs fine covered in silicon. Once I'm done, I'm making a website for this baby. :)

[CamH]

Disaster!

When dremelling through the side of the case, I accidently cut through a copper line. Oops! I guess I've got to figure out how to fix that and then refill the fridge with coolant before I can continue. :(

[poMONKey]

oh man... sorry... it sounds like what i would have done!

but now that i think of it... you arent bailing are u? come on... i'll donate some cake to the cause... :D j/k

my wife is a metalsmith/blacksmith... if u need advice on closing the hole... or just take i down to the local garage/votech...

silicon caulk maybe... i dont know what kinda pressure is going on in those pipes tho... could be too much for the caulk

[CamH]

Originally posted by poMONKey
oh man... sorry... it sounds like what i would have done!

but now that i think of it... you arent bailing are u? come on... i'll donate some cake to the cause... :D j/k

my wife is a metalsmith/blacksmith... if u need advice on closing the hole... or just take i down to the local garage/votech...

silicon caulk maybe... i dont know what kinda pressure is going on in those pipes tho... could be too much for the caulk

I don't think it will be too bad to fix. http://www.hometime.com/projects/howto/plumbing/pc2plm3.htm :) (Thanks four4875) Hopefully, it'll be up and running tomorrow. Delays, delays!

[four4875]

hehe NP! i love helpin people

[treepop]

AHH! awsome....I am glad you are taking the initiatiive..I on the other hand lost my hardrive with a rheostat insident:cry: the dang rheostat caught the electrical tape on fire and messed up my harddrive...this is a definet excuse for an upgrade...but alas instead of getting a brand new ti4200 gainward with 128megs of 3.3 nSec ram I am gunna srping for a new harddrive and cd burner :(.....and that fridge tested great with no condinsation with 2 baking soda boxes....without a mobo inside......
....Ideas for fridged puter!
..I was thinking of havinfg everything outside of the fridge...ala only the mobo and the proc and the graphics card and ram within the frige..the powersupply the harddrive the cd drives etc... all outside...use ribbon cable for a better seal on the frige...then add tape electrcle since it selas better and duct tape on top of that for a nice removable seal....then all the drives are easy to exchange etc...... and you will have a nice cool selaed case with no worries abotu lossing drives etc..whatcha guys think....and as for the silicon spray I think it will be preaty conductive so I might use that.......I know a bet is riding on this but like camH says

If everyone's right, it won't hurt to spray it.

If you're right, it won't hurt to spray it.

It's a win-win situation

[CamH]

I'm running the computer (without the fridge, 'cause it's busted) hosed down with silicon right now. It works fine. No trouble at all.

[four4875]

i'd put the drives and PSU out of the fridge, so the fridge dont need to take their heat loads along with the board, CPU, and RAM.

[CamH]

I want to get all of those outside of the fridge but like I said here (http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203747) I need figure out a way to extend all of the cables before I can do something like that.

[four4875]

i have some 36 inch rounds.. (ordered 48s, but newegg screwed me over!) that seems like it'd be enough

edit: hahaha feel adventurous with a soldering iron and a few flat cables? ROFL

[four4875]

as for using caulk to patch the hole... LMAO (no offense) but like 300+ PSI of preasure would anhilate that soo fast... wouldnt even get it half way charged before it go puff! on ya.

[CamH]

Originally posted by four4875
i have some 36 inch rounds.. (ordered 48s, but newegg screwed me over!) that seems like it'd be enough

edit: hahaha feel adventurous with a soldering iron and a few flat cables? ROFL

I think I might be ordering some of those 48s ASAP.

1 4m t3h l33+ 501d3r3r. Muahahah!

[four4875]

hehehe... be more time consuming than hard... boring and frustrating when you get wires crossed

heh regular ATA-33 cables would be alot easier than 133s.. hehehe

[Excelsior]

SATA :)

[four4875]

hows it comin along treepop ??

i believe the bet is still goin

[treepop]

this weekend should be the time I finish.....:D..and I was talken to camH and he should be done soon also....his will be a ton better though....:D

[CamH]

You've got to take some pics of yours, too, treepop. We can have everyone vote on whose is better. :D

[treepop]

lol yeah....hehe...but I know my woodgrain 1970 mini-fridge would pown so no use in competing...lol :D

[CamH]

j00 4r3 t3h pwn3d!

[ayoung]

Originally posted by xX~EXCELSIOR~Xx
Four the thing is..

There are several METAL parts in the computer obviously.

Metal conducts heat better than silicon.

The plastic will be WARMER and will be AROUND the metal...condensation will form just a tiny bit... jsut enough to make one electrical connection... and there goes your mobo.

Not sure if it was covered, but the plastic will still be WARMER than the air, still no condensation.

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by ayoung


Not sure if it was covered, but the plastic will still be WARMER than the air, still no condensation.

Nooo

What im trying to say is the metal itself will conduct heat better than the plastic... plastic will be warmer.... the plastic is around the metal.... if the plastic is warmer than the metal and they are by eachother then condensation...

I unno lets see if it runs stable for a month :D

[Bigdogbmx]

Bumpage for two things...
1) I want to see what hapened to the adventurers
2) I dont know what the hel the people suggesting there will be no condensation are doing. If you look in your fridge at the sides and the roof, there are water droplets everywhere. one drop in the wrong place and its all over. plus the bars of the shelves get condensation i think and then the water would just run down that and onto the connections and again its all over. Seems stupid to risk it.

[CamH]

Okay. My computer's in the fridge right now. My temps are: 42 20, but I think the 42 is because my processor sucks and I screwed up the thermal compound. It's been running stable for a few weeks.

[Bigdogbmx]

Good to hear it hasnt died from condensation.

[CamH]

It can't die from condensation. All of it gathers on the evap lines (?) in the back of the fridge.

[four4875]

on the back of the fridge, on the outside is the condensor coil. and the condensation you're pointing out is from opening the fridge constantly, which brings in warm, moist air. and since the fridge itself is still colt, the water from the new air that just came in condenses on it. if you dont open the fridge while the comp is in use, it wont get wet in there.

[CamH]

It's been shut for about a week straight. It would be hard to get the water vapor in the air out before turning the fridge on...

[LtBlue14]

There's no way there won't be condensation on the motherboard, i want to hear from treetop again. He's the one who didnt' use any dielectric grease right? It would take a butt-load of baking soda to convince me it would work. Also, you better not open that fridge very often, and the tip about not turning off the computer will help too.

Hard drives don't like being put in the cold, i think 45*F is the lowest recommended, or something like that.

Now that I think about it, how powerful is the fridge? It's possible that the heat from the computer will overpower it, which kills any discussion of condensation.

[four4875]

lt blue, do you have a little mag light similar plashlight? if so take off the lense and feel the bulb after its on for a little bit. now toss it in the fridge while on, and check back later. look at how much condensation is on the bulb. the bulb is a constant heat source, just like a comp is. if i had a fridge and an outlet that was properly wired and could take the load, i would put my board in it, uninsulated, to prove the point. and as long as the door stays closed, it'll be fine.

[CamH]

My computer's running in the fridge. At the moment, it's totally uninsulated. It's been running like this for weeks. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS.

[lclark2074]

will the refridgerator be closed all the time?
the HDD and the CD rom will not like the cold!
the power SP will make alot of heat and this shoud be out side the case

[CamH]

The power supply, CDROM, and HD have been moved outside of the fridge, and it is now closed, and has been for some weeks.

[lclark2074]

that will help on chang of air no h2o comming in is the refridgerator frost free

[Big_Baller]

Wheres the picutes that you guys promised?

[CamH]

I posted some pictures in another thread, but my website will be down for the next few days. I'll post some new ones when it's up again.

[lclark2074]

in is the refridgerator frost free model

[Nemo]

I'm coming to this thread a bit late, but it occurs to me that if condensation is really something you're worried about, you could just lay the mobo flat in a tray of oil.

[Warlord2]

hey hows it going? just wanted to know how cold your motherboard has gotten sense I want to make a air chiller and donno what the motherboard would do at such low temps. Glad to hear you havent killed anything, I didnt think you would. Im glad someone had the guts to try this.

[CamH]

The motherboard works absolutely fine at the lower temps. No trouble at all! I doubt it will have trouble, either.

[lclark2074]

still working

[CamH]

Yeah, still working. The rig in my sig is what's inside it.

[Exempt]

I tried this with a costco meat freezer, just to play it on the safe side, I used an old 1.5, the damn thing got condensation and fried, power relay switch to the house got knocked out...not a good idea, unless you can keep the temp around 60 F...

[treepop]

wow that so sucks! your whole house went out cause of your pc heh...............I have opted not to do the fridge mod.....my temps are awsome as standing......so I feel no need for extreem cold (as of now)......I am now more interrested in making a HTPC.......sorry to disapoint :(

[lclark2074]

next mod you nead to install a insolated glass for a window in this way you will see if thers condensation and see the fans still work! put light o a switch.
This may help:)

[CamH]

Exempt, take some pics and show us where you put the PC inside the freezer. I'm interested in knowing how something like that happened as it would be impossible in the setup I have.

[Exempt]

i did this over a year ago, didnt take any pics. It was a large meat freezer, they sell at costco for 299.00, you could fit like 2 computers inside it. reason it condensates is because there is no way to seal the lid on the wires air tight, so air seeps in ...creating condensation....

[CamH]

Oh, I see. My fridge is air tight, so I don't get that problem.

[Bigdogbmx]

I want to try putting my comp in my fridge tioday as I just bought some sealant spray but I am little confused. For starters Im not drilling the door yet so there will be air going in where the cables push the door ajar, that shouldnt matterbecause the borad and cards will be sealed though. Second thing is I dont have a switch on my atx power supply. Its cheap and crap so the only switch I have is on my case. Is there a way of just having two wires I can touch to start her up?

[lclark2074]

duct tape is your frind

[Warlord2]

got any real temps for us? you can get a temp probe at any hardware store for only a couple bucks, just make sure it reads negatives.

[CamH]

You'll lose SOME of the cold air through the space caused by the wires going around the seal on the door. You should still get some good temps, however. Good luck!

[Bigdogbmx]

Thanks I was gonna try it today but When I sprayed the vidcard with sealant I must have covered the pins coz it wasnt working afterwards. I had to spend an hour cleaning it off :\ CamH when you coated yours which bits did you tape up first?

[CamH]

I figured out that it doesn't need to be coated...

[The Wicker Man]

http://www.desiccantcity.com/desiccant_products/desi_fridge.htm

Get some desicant packs and through in there.
Or you go to some place like Home Depot and ask for desicant for your air compressures air dryer, then put a couple cups full in a cake pan or something like it, and put it in the fridge.

But be careful, the dust can be hazardous............

[CamH]

Originally posted by The Wicker Man
http://www.desiccantcity.com/desiccant_products/desi_fridge.htm

Get some desicant packs and through in there.
Or you go to some place like Home Depot and ask for desicant for your air compressures air dryer, then put a couple cups full in a cake pan or something like it, and put it in the fridge.

But be careful, the dust can be hazardous............

Baking soda works as well. :)

[Cuda]

Dessicant will work very well, as will baking soda. The cheapest longest lasting moisture absorbing material is....rice. Ever put rice in a salt shaker to keep the moisture out? Works darn near forever. 1-2 cups of rice, poured in a nylon stocking, suspended in the fridge should remove all moisture. Cheap, easy, long lasting.

[Bigdogbmx]

Ok i have loads of salton there as i guessed that would do somthing. My dad is in chemistry so i found a bigass tub of dessicant packs amongst the random crap in the cellar. So im sorted for moisture stuff but i still want to coat the mobo and cards for safety. Does anyone have any advice on what I SHOULDNT coat? Obviously I dont want it on the card slot so im gonna cover them with tape and leave them but if anyone knows any other parts that need to stay clean please say b4 i mess up my comp.

[SpaceRangerJoe]

i saw someone spray their mobo with UV reactant paint before. being as this would be a somewhat similar procedure, the same sort of preparation would apply. he said that he taped off everything on the mobo that was black. all of the chips and little things on the mobo could possibly produce heat, and he didnt want to impare their thermal transfer ability, since they are only passively cooled. now, that might be a little extreme. you are going to want to make sure that you tape off the mosfets, clock generator (often by the mosfets), and whatever little chips are around the socket and ram slots. hope that helps some.

[Bigdogbmx]

I just realised I still have to work out how to switch it on! doe sanyone know how to wire a simple atx switch on to the pins o nthe motherboard where you attch the one on teh case?

[Bigdogbmx]

Thanks Joe thats good info i wouldnt have thought of the clock generator. The mofsets are kind of raised on this mobo so itll be tricky but il work it out. I am stumped on the power switch tho i have no idea how that works.

[SpaceRangerJoe]

the power button for the atx form factor is just a momentary switch. meaning, the circuit is closed only when you are actually holding the button down. you can turn on a computer by touching the two pins on the mobo with something metal (knife, screwdriver. ive had to do it a few times when my wires fall out of the back of my power switch). so just use the normal connector, that plugs into the mobo, lengthen the wires a little if you need to, and run them to the outside of the case. if you really wanted to, you could just have the bare leads of the wires hanging out, and you just touch them together when you want to turn the computer on (although i wouldnt recommend that for long term use :D). hope that helps! good luck.

[CamH]

I use the power switch on my PSU to start the computer. My motherboard has a setting that when it detects there is power going to it, it starts up. Yours might have the same option.

[Bigdogbmx]

nah i dont have a switch on the psu it came with my £30 case so its cheap as but that thing with the wires sounds doable. Your saying just have 2 wires going from the pin header and touch them when i want to switch it on?

[CamH]

Originally posted by Bigdogbmx
nah i dont have a switch on the psu it came with my £30 case so its cheap as but that thing with the wires sounds doable. Your saying just have 2 wires going from the pin header and touch them when i want to switch it on?

That would work, yes. :)

[SpaceRangerJoe]

Originally posted by CamH


That would work, yes. :)

but i would recomment putting some sort of switch on it. the wires could be hanging and touch or something, and shut your computer off. a momentary switch is really cheap. or you could do what i did. my power switch is a borg warner universal ignition :D. i have a key on my keychain to start it!

yes i know, i am a huge nerd...

[Bigdogbmx]

Lol sounds a bit flash that one Joe. BTW I tried to do the fridge thing last night but i coated the cpu fan pin in plastic spray so after an hour or so of setting it up it didnt start thanks to the bios thermal fan check option or something. So I took it all out and put it back in the case then found out that was the problem. After that time I couldnt be bothered reassemb;ing it all again so i left it. Bleh. Anyhoo at least the switchy wires thing worked. I left it on because its more fun like that. OOoooohhh Wirrrres. I feel like a bomb defusal expert wheni switch it on. I didnt type that did i? Oh crap.

[lclark2074]

CamH how long haseit ben sence you opened the fride

[CamH]

I haven't really been keeping track, but I would say about a week.

[verbatim]

I read five pages and various links and Still havent seen pics....

[CamH]

I have some pictures I could show, but my website has been down for the past month. I actually posted some pics in a different thread, but they're gone now. I'll try to get some new hosting in the next few days for ya.

[Bigdogbmx]

PM me if you want them up now, you can edit teh post when you get your hosting back up. I want to see it :D

[CamH]

You know you've all been waiting for this... Pictures!

http://www.bigdogbmx.co.uk/images/fridge1.jpg
http://www.bigdogbmx.co.uk/images/fridge2.jpg
http://www.bigdogbmx.co.uk/images/fridge3.jpg


Yep. Kinda ghetto. Oh well. :D

Thanks to Bigdogbmx for hosting the pics.

[Spade]

how about posting the temps your getting? or am i an idiot and missed it?

[CamH]

Temps are about 35C processor (The SLK800A is unlapped and very rough. If I lapped it they would probably drop some more.) and about 20C system. Not too bad.

[boxboy]

is that fridge even turned on?:D
I would think it should brop alot more than that!

[lclark2074]

What is the fridge temp switch set at if its at the lowest temp you may take a look at the back of the fridge and find the switch box and jumper out the temp switch. This will make the fridge compressor run all the time

[CamH]

It's just a mini fridge. It can't dissipate heat well enough to get really low temps, but I'm pretty happy with this. The fridge already runs all the time.

[lclark2074]

Now you need to add phase Chang direct dye to the CPU. This will need to be separate loop in this way you get a better over clock. Your case temp will be lower with out CPU adding its heat to it.
Just a though

[lclark2074]

I the fridge frost free if is you will not have big frost problem what happens in a frost free fridge is that a heater comes on and melts the ice on coils and puts it in tube to a drains this could help

[AFIsoldier]

those temps don't sound frigde worthy but hey, it is definatly better than my temps...surprised you can't get that any colder, the mini fridge i own can freeze a can of vanilla coke to explode point...but hey, all fridges are different right?

[CamH]

This fridge I've got can also freeze stuff, but the constant heat output of a computer is a bit too much for a smaller fridge to freeze to that point.

[lclark2074]

CamH have you givin this a though
Originally posted by lclark2074
Now you need to add phase Chang direct dye to the CPU. This will need to be separate loop in this way you get a better over clock. Your case temp will be lower with out CPU adding its heat to it.
Just a though

[SpaceRangerJoe]

that would take a whole lot more work that just putting the computer in a fridge. i want to attempt a project like that someday though. get a double wide case. computer on the left. phase change cooling on the right. that would be a pretty neat setup. but i have a long way to go before i can do that.

[CamH]

Originally posted by lclark2074
CamH have you givin this a though


Yes, I've given that a thought and I plan on building a direct die phase change unit when I move into my new house. I'm living in an apartment right now and I have no place to work on something like that.

[lclark2074]

i understand just a though

[nunez1980]

guetto but I like it, nice work, and yeah minifrezeer are not design to keep cooling something that produces heat, but great job, any condesation?

[CamH]

There's some condensation in the back of the fridge, but I guess that's to be expected unless I could find some way to get all of the water out of the air inside the fridge. :D

[mycotopian]

I had to regulate humidity in a growing experiment once and a cheap and easy way to use this stuff from any garden supply store called vermiculite or perlite. just put a tray in the bottom of the fridge and voila humidity drops. Ibeleive the tool to measure is called a hygrometer you might want to stick one in the fride and cut a plexi window so you can watch it.

[CamH]

Originally posted by mycotopian
I had to regulate humidity in a growing experiment once and a cheap and easy way to use this stuff from any garden supply store called vermiculite or perlite. just put a tray in the bottom of the fridge and voila humidity drops. Ibeleive the tool to measure is called a hygrometer you might want to stick one in the fride and cut a plexi window so you can watch it.

Great info! Thanks. :) I'll be sure to try that stuff to see if it helps.

[lclark2074]

is the experiment still going is the humidity gone

[CamH]

Still goin' strong.

[lclark2074]

is the experiment still going is the humidity gone

[SpaceRangerJoe]

man, this thread just wont die!!

hehe.

[CamH]

Originally posted by SpaceRangerJoe
man, this thread just wont die!!

hehe.

I have the same feeling! :D

I actually had to take the computer out of the fridge, though. :( The fridge just couldn't handle the extra heat output of my new 9800, and could no longer keep it cool. Hopefully, I'll do a water chiller when I move, and use the fridge as the case.

Water chiller + fridge = Awesome temps! :cool:

[SpaceRangerJoe]

*cough* look in classifieds *cough*

[CamH]

Originally posted by SpaceRangerJoe
*cough* look in classifieds *cough*

I wish. :p No cash!

[lclark2074]

how bad was the condensation before you took it out

[CamH]

It was about the same the entire time. Just a little ice in the back of the fridge.

[Tnick24]

this setup is sooo bootleg but really nice!

[lclark2074]

Yes what you need is frost-free model! What thy have in them is a heater in outer wall witch comes on a timer witch dry all the moisture off the wall and then condenses on the evaporator! Then the evaporator is turn off or heated then water goes down a tube no mousture:) of corse you will nead to do a mod on it to turn it off after you get all mousture out :)

[Planus]

So long as the door is sealed tight and you dont keep opening the door, you ont get condensation (but it needs to be airtight (like where the wires go in) Theres no reason why condensation should form, I mean all your doing is changing the ambient temperature. I mean it diesnt occur when your MOBO is in normal room temp, so no reason (unless warm air leaks in) why you should have any condensation problems

[CamH]

Well, water is let even when you open the door to just put the computer in. That's why there was only a little bit of ice on the back and not a whole load of it - it could only freeze the water that was there. Water is in the air.

[lclark2074]

Originally posted by Planus
So long as the door is sealed tight and you dont keep opening the door, you ont get condensation (but it needs to be airtight (like where the wires go in) Theres no reason why condensation should form, I mean all your doing is changing the ambient temperature. I mean it diesnt occur when your MOBO is in normal room temp, so no reason (unless warm air leaks in) why you should have any condensation problems
I agree you should put insolated glass window in it to see run:)

[lclark2074]

Originally posted by CamH
Well, water is let even when you open the door to just put the computer in. That's why there was only a little bit of ice on the back and not a whole load of it - it could only freeze the water that was there. Water is in the air.
You want the fridge hot and no humidity when you put the mother board in it and then seal it

[Gabrielsurf]

i don't know

[Planus]

Yes, put a double glazed window on the fridge :-) but seriously, it needs to be air tight or your asking for trouble.

[lclark2074]

Originally posted by Planus
Yes, put a double glazed window on the fridge :-) but seriously, it needs to be air tight or your asking for trouble.
Yes I agree but he got to get all those wires out of the door seal and then I would suggest duct tape on the seal

[CamH]

Originally posted by lclark2074

Yes I agree but he got to get all those wires out of the door seal and then I would suggest duct tape on the seal

This was the reason that I kept a wire around the fridge. It held the seal nice and tight. I can assure you that there was no/little air getting in. If there was, there would have been a lot more condensation.

[asw7576]

I was thinking the same too lately.... I'm planning to buy a freezer ( -15C ) and put the whole pc inside. Wait until the time come....... I need to save some money for a freezer and pc replacement. Be patience... I'll let everyone know when the time comes.