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Hey ppl, lets start the gathering of lcd gamers around the forums. Eversince i got my hitachi cml174b i sware will never switch back to crts... tag your sig!!!
Nevandal
05-27-03, 11:01 PM
dude, change the color of your blue text in your sig....I cannot read it at all without highlighting.
wtf... calibrate your monitor or something... i bet you can read the red part clearly :D
I agree, the blue's very contrasting, one of the reasons it's used for hyperlinking, because it stands out so well against most backgronuds...
15" NEC user here for 2 years, never going back ;).
hell yeah new 17" benq flat panel monitor. makes my 17" sony crt look like a piece of crap. never going back. matter of fact i might just order myself another benq and use 2 flat panels.
NewbiePerson
05-28-03, 07:04 PM
17 inch kogi. Soon to be a 21 inch mitsubishi or well whatever that manufacter with the m is.
Never going back to crt
heheh good to know we have some ppl in the gang, im in the process of converting a senior ;)
Cisco Kid
05-29-03, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
heheh good to know we have some ppl in the gang, im in the process of converting a senior ;)
would that happent ot be me??;)
I am also going to look at the Acer AL732, it will be that or the BenQ FP767 cost is what it is all about now!
Cisco KId
NewbiePerson
05-29-03, 12:54 PM
I might wait for OLEDs before i get the nice 21inch lcd.
I read about them in Maximum PC and I think u can read about them over at xbitlabs.com
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
would that happent ot be me??;)
I am also going to look at the Acer AL732, it will be that or the BenQ FP767 cost is what it is all about now!
Cisco KId
yes thats you hahah, i liked this hitachi the most because there is a PIMPIN' black version (which i own :cool: ), but heck, any lcd with 16ms response time and 450:1 contrast ratio with good viewing angles will suit gamers that can afford it. Remember, your eyes will never stop thanking you :D
scanido
05-29-03, 01:56 PM
Love my samsung 191T, very first with 25ms response! I could care less now as long as my eyes arn't straining out! :D
I have plans for a second one this summer for 38" of viewable pleasure :D
Cisco Kid
05-29-03, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
yes thats you hahah, i liked this hitachi the most because there is a PIMPIN' black version (which i own :cool: ), but heck, any lcd with 16ms response time and 450:1 contrast ratio with good viewing angles will suit gamers that can afford it. Remember, your eyes will never stop thanking you :D
Well I have bought the 17" BenQ FP767 no dvi though, I got it at a great deal , $513 Canadian ($375 US) saved $180 Canadian ($130 US) over the Acer AL732 w DVI and a bit more than that over the NEC 1760NX w DVI.
The savings were just too much to pass on and I saw the Acer connected via DVI and I just could not justify the extra cost as the noticeable gain was minimal. Get it later this aft as it had to be ordered in to the pc store.
Looking forward to it it has 16 ms response time and 500:1 contrast so should be very good. Better than what I have. So yep you converted me, funny I could not find the Hitachi local cause I was very interested to see what it would have cost here.
Cisco KId:D
AlucardCasull
05-29-03, 05:20 PM
i always heard LCD's suCked for game because of the low refresh rate, how much did you guys pay for em?
cisco I have the same monitor you will not be dissapointed pimping black version for me. Oh and heres a tip go to benq's website
www.benq.com
there is a 30 dollar mail in rebate on the 767. not sure if its good up north though. but i wouldn't see why not. enjoy.
Originally posted by AlucardCasull
i always heard LCD's suCked for game because of the low refresh rate, how much did you guys pay for em?
ĦĦĦTROLL ALARM!!!
LOL, jk m8...
yes lcds USED to suck before 16ms response time, 35ms response time is only 32fps which still gives some low end gaming. 16ms allows 60fps which is well enough for any gamer. My point is dont bash lcds until you use them for gaming, heck the lack of eyestrain is worth 60fps decrease isnt it??
Cisco Kid
05-29-03, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by snvpa
cisco I have the same monitor you will not be dissapointed pimping black version for me. Oh and heres a tip go to benq's website
www.benq.com
there is a 30 dollar mail in rebate on the 767. not sure if its good up north though. but i wouldn't see why not. enjoy.
I saw the mail in ,I bet I can get it check your pm. Also I ordered the pimpin black as well, so I am hearing you are happy even though no DVI correct. The specs on it are great 500:1 and 16ms response time. What I am curious about is do you surf daily at the native res of 1280x1024 or do you run 1024x768 and accept the decrease in the sharpness?
Lemme know box is sitting beside me I was planning to research more in case I changed my mind but I do not think I will as once I break the seal it is mine for good.
How have you found it for gaming?
cisco kid
cisco i've been running 1024x768 can't see a negative difference at all. I actually am using the dvi out on my ti 4200 with an adapter as my 17" crt uses the analog out. all i can say is this monitor kicks some serious butt. I bought another lcd at walmart I think and playing anything was a ghosting nightmare. So I returned it and bought this. man what a difference. zero ghosting at all at least in Gta3 or madden 2k3 thats all i really play. but what a joy. I like this monitor so much i'm thinking bout buying a second and getting rid of my ibm trinitronb tube perfect flat 17" crt. open the seal you won't regret it.
muhuhuhuhuahahahaha, one more convert :D let em come mhuhuhuhhuhuhahahahha
Cisco Kid
05-30-03, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by snvpa
cisco i've been running 1024x768 can't see a negative difference at all. I actually am using the dvi out on my ti 4200 with an adapter as my 17" crt uses the analog out. all i can say is this monitor kicks some serious butt. I bought another lcd at walmart I think and playing anything was a ghosting nightmare. So I returned it and bought this. man what a difference. zero ghosting at all at least in Gta3 or madden 2k3 thats all i really play. but what a joy. I like this monitor so much i'm thinking bout buying a second and getting rid of my ibm trinitronb tube perfect flat 17" crt. open the seal you won't regret it.
I cut the seal and I LOVE it and it games well from what I can see based on a quick test of Unreal 2, DVD's play nice as well. I am soo happy and I am running 1280x1024 , gonna play around with enlarged fonts as well and see what I think. Wow so much brighter (not in a bad way at all) pimping black sexy looks good. I need a day or 2 to get used to it and adjust it to how I like it. I am surprised how nice 1280x1024 is, it is much better than my CRT, why did I wait so long.
I wonder if there is any advantage to using an adapter on your DVI out on the TI, as I have a 9500 Pro.
PhobMX I am converted and I am happy I did!!!! This BenQ was well worth what I paid for it!!!
Cisco Kid
Cisco Kid
05-30-03, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by AlucardCasull
i always heard LCD's suCked for game because of the low refresh rate, how much did you guys pay for em?
I paid the equal of about $355-360 US but I bought in canada as I live in Vancouver. The BenQ FP767 I selected after alot of reading was a good choice for me. I am happy.
cisco kid
seems we have a new bang for the buck lcd discovery, well done cisco... it would be cool to actualy take a look at it and compare if this dvi vs analog bs is true... but ohh well, its hard to see any lcds around where i live not to mention black 17" with 16ms ones ROFL
RadRacer
05-30-03, 09:48 AM
Hell yeah bud. LCD all the way. My 20.1" Dell 2000FP kicks the crap out of any monitor I've ever used.
Super Nintendo
05-30-03, 01:25 PM
dammit stop with the lcd now your making me think about getting one also. I got a sony g410 ctr right now.
Super Nintendo
05-30-03, 01:58 PM
I can't choose between these two. Either going for the HITACHI CML175SXW or BenQ PF767 they are all pretty close to the same the Hitachi has a better refresh but the BenQ has 500:1 contrast. And the Hitachi has Digital but the BenQ doesn't though. Is it worth the money to go digital input or its not a big difference. On newegg the BenQ is 395, Hitachi is 489. Let me know what you guys think. I'm going to buy it at newegg also.
www.monitorsdirect.com has both for a little less, and its as reputable as newegg... as ive stated earlier, i would pay for the dvi just to have the peace of mind, or either you can have up to 4 devices plugged to your video card lol
Super Nintendo
05-30-03, 03:53 PM
thanks, I might be getting one in the next week.
kmfdm515
05-30-03, 11:18 PM
As soon as I find a 19 " LCD with 1600x1200 native and a 16ms response time...
...I'll come over to the dark side. ;)
Originally posted by kmfdm515
As soon as I find a 19 " LCD with 1600x1200 native and a 16ms response time...
...I'll come over to the dark side. ;)
doesnt sound that distant, but yes it will be pricey...
OnDborder
05-31-03, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by NewbiePerson
17 inch kogi.
Me too..
Cisco Kid
05-31-03, 03:02 AM
I happen to be a owner of the BenQ FP767 nd a 95000 Pro I would not spend the extra on DVI,but talk toothers,as far as gaming goes I have not been disappointed at all. Try to beat the price, 16 ms response , 500:1 contast time what more could you ask for. From what I have seen the rest of the specs are very similar to the more pricey models and to go DVI get ready to spend $100+ more.
But talk to PhobMX as he is one that got me n track to DVI,I just could not find the Hitachi local
Cisco Kid
sangapski
05-31-03, 04:32 AM
been using NEC LCD1525M for over 2 years now...
AmigoThree
05-31-03, 12:33 PM
I dont really like to game on my LCD because I miss my resolutions higher than 1024x768. I bought it for a 2nd monitor and for LAN party use.
It is a Mitsubishi M55LCD-BK (http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/home/ProductDetail.cfm?product_id=261&division=MITSUBISHI)
edit: vB code sucks....
Cisco Kid
05-31-03, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by AmigoThree
I dont really like to game on my LCD because I miss my resolutions higher than 1024x768. I bought it for a 2nd monitor and for LAN party use.
It is a Mitsubishi M55LCD-BK (http://www.necmitsubishi.com/products/home/ProductDetail.cfm?product_id=261&division=MITSUBISHI)
edit: vB code sucks....
Nice bonus of the 17" LCD's with low response time is you can game at 1280x1024 and all is good.
Cisco Kid
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
Nice bonus of the 17" LCD's with low response time is you can game at 1280x1024 and all is good.
Cisco Kid
i agree, i personaly dont need any higher resolutions since pretty much any system will get outdated very fast to be able to play at 1600x1200 with nice details... just IMHO
SnComet2
06-02-03, 04:19 PM
just ordered my samsung 172t, it should be here tomorrow. I think it will be perfect for games as I love to play medal of honor and ut2003 on my friends 191t, as the blurring is negligible. The poor uniformity and poor dark colors put me off on the AU 16ms panels :(
Originally posted by SnComet2
just ordered my samsung 172t, it should be here tomorrow. I think it will be perfect for games as I love to play medal of honor and ut2003 on my friends 191t, as the blurring is neglible. The poor uniformity and poor dark colors put me off on the AU 16ms panels :(
Hey, let us know how your 172T is when you get it. I've been looking at LCDs for a long time now and it seems that the 172T is one of the very few LCDs that can display dark colors properly. The 25ms response time doesn't bother me much. I have a 25ms LCD now and everything is perfectly clear. I'm looking to get a 17" panel myself. :)
Turd Furguson
06-03-03, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by PhobMX
wtf... calibrate your monitor or something... i bet you can read the red part clearly :D
Just had to recalibrate mine to read the blue. LOL!!
are there any 15" panels that can do 1280x1024?
i'd love to have one but i'm not going for 1024x768. thats just horrible. 375ish for that 17 sounds great. from what i've read though the DVI input is supposed to be alot better than standard VGA.
now i've got to turn over a bank real quick so i can buy one ;)
ok i've been doing some reading. appears no 15's support 1280x1024.
the benq deal with the 17 at that one place for 378 shipped and 30 MIR looks very nice.
i'll hafta see if i can swing that by the end of the month. :(
SnComet2
06-03-03, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by Icarus
Hey, let us know how your 172T is when you get it. I've been looking at LCDs for a long time now and it seems that the 172T is one of the very few LCDs that can display dark colors properly. The 25ms response time doesn't bother me much. I have a 25ms LCD now and everything is perfectly clear. I'm looking to get a 17" panel myself. :)
The 172t is arriving today (damn newegg is fast I ordered it yesterday morning). The only problem is that its at home, while I am at school. I'll let my little brother test it out though and get his opinion. He's a far more avid gamer then even I am, heh. I won't be able to see the screen myself until after finals end next friday (I became impatient and had to order it).
keep us posted max, we need all the important ppl we can take in the gang :D
and on the 1024x768 stuff i dont think thats bad... your hardware is kickass and if you just jack up AA and AF that should be enough for pretty much any game. It increases your chances with lower native resolutions, but i just wanted a huge screen so i got the 17" one :D
CML175B here
wootage for lcd gaming goodness!
I just ordered a refurbed cml174b at monitorsdirect.com. It is only 15 bux to ship and they have a 30 day refund policy. 90 day warranty. If I don't like it, I am only out the original shipping cost. I hope it looks good, at $299.00, I am saving a bunch and I could not spend close to 5 bills for a new one. You can add a 3 year warranty if you like the unit they send for $79.00. (I probably won't though) all in all a pretty decent deal and I am only gambling my shipping cost.
Hope this helps someone.....
Kid
you will sure love that monitor, is the same i got and it ownz!!! man that was a nice deal... which color is it?? :D
It is black to match my case....
Kid
Originally posted by PhobMX
keep us posted max, we need all the important ppl we can take in the gang :D
and on the 1024x768 stuff i dont think thats bad... your hardware is kickass and if you just jack up AA and AF that should be enough for pretty much any game. It increases your chances with lower native resolutions, but i just wanted a huge screen so i got the 17" one :D
what about this one? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=t299-1002&SRCCODE=WEM481S
339.00 ($20 shipping) compared to 348 for the benq.
similar specs. 25ms for the linked one, 16ms for the benq.
the benq is still the better deal it looks.
yep, the benq has 500:1 contrast ratio and 16ms response time, if it was only dvi.... :rolleyes:
ok i'm loosing my mind.
wasn't there a link in here for the benq for 378?
nm. i found it. www.logicalplus.com
Cisco Kid
06-03-03, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
yep, the benq has 500:1 contrast ratio and 16ms response time, if it was only dvi.... :rolleyes:
like I said before though but only my opinion I would save the cash over the dvi input. DVI is of greatest value to anyone that uses their monitor for work and needs the extra detail such as graphics artists or people doing extensive photoshop work.
If you got the cash and it is not a big deal get dvi, but after I compared I saw no real benefit even for gaming to have dvi over analog. Analog to digital conversion is much much better than 2 years ago.
The post above that got the Hitachi like yours for $299 got a great deal except its a refurb and the only way I would buy a refurb is to add the warranty on to it. 90 days is just not long enough and this is coming from someone who buys alot of refurbed stuff himself but I stay away from monitors especially LCD, but to be out shipping only if he does not like it is reasonable.
Personally bang for buck the BenQ 17" can not be bought, mine does everything so far very well and I am quite happy. This is not meant to promote the model I just feel you are getting great value savings of over a $120+ US with the rebate. I can say that once this LCD is adjusted the colour is good.
cisco kid
Cisco Kid
06-03-03, 11:36 PM
PhobMX, you have a great thread going here !!!!! very cool
cisco kid:D
alright i want to point out some stuff about non native resolutions...
I have this game System Shock 2, its quite old (maybe 1999) so it wont support 32 bit color or any higher resolution than 1024x768...
When i first tried it i could see jaggies all over because this isnt my monitors resolution... i just jacked up the AA up to 8x performance and now its all good :D
and on your post cisco, it would be good if somebody finds an article of Analog vs DVI on LCDs for gaming (16ms) just to put an end to this dilema once and for all. Im not against Analog, but i would still use dvi just to make some use out of it from my video card. Hell for that benq with its specs and price f*ck the dvi tho ;)
donny_paycheck
06-04-03, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
PhobMX, you have a great thread going here !!!!! very cool
cisco kid:D
Yeah, I've enjoyed reading this. 21" Trinitron user here, but the damn thing's so deep and throws out so much heat that I'm thinking of going to LCD. Plus, I game a lot.
I looked foir a while to try and find a comparison. alot of discusion about it on the net. however no article realy gave a definative answer. it sounds to me like it affected older lcd's by producing individual pixels to jitter but has been corrected by better conversion techniques.
http://www.aarp.org/computers-howto/Articles/a2002-07-16-flatpanel.html
here's another article from tom's
http://www6.tomshardware.com/display/19990707/
those were the best articles i found. IMO the analog is fine with the benq 767. I see no pixel jitter at all and I'm not even using the native resolution.
interesting that in the toms review they say the DVI components are cheaper to make since they don't require more conversion parts, however when you look at the prices of the DVI panels compared to the analog panels... its very much the other way around.
Originally posted by Maxvla
interesting that in the toms review they say the DVI components are cheaper to make since they don't require more conversion parts, however when you look at the prices of the DVI panels compared to the analog panels... its very much the other way around.
maybe just a marketing gimmick... so i can conclude analog us good for RECENT lcds like the benq :) but i still love mine heehhe
i haven't been paying attention to the lcd market at all.
how fast is it moving? i mean if i buy this benq this month will there be stuff at the same price far better in like 6 months? normally monitor tech moves VERY slow but i'm not sure with lcds.
I'm sure the lcd prices will continue to drop but how much is the question. i think you'll see more play in the lcd market over the next 4-6 months relative to the crt market. however the deals out now like the benq aren't likely to get much better especially with the specs particulalry the 16ms response time.
Cisco Kid
06-05-03, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by snvpa
I'm sure the lcd prices will continue to drop but how much is the question. i think you'll see more play in the lcd market over the next 4-6 months relative to the crt market. however the deals out now like the benq aren't likely to get much better especially with the specs particulalry the 16ms response time.
Agreed, I say if you are looking now is as good a time to buy an LCD as any, I do not think you will see large savings ina 4-6 tmh period unless you consider say 30-40 less in 5 mths LOL, which could happen
Your eyes will thank you
cisco kid
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
Your eyes will thank you
that sounds like a good mantra for the gang :D :beer:
on the market stuff, i read maybe the first 19" 16ms lcds are coming out towards the end of the year or early 2004, meanwhile the 17" 16ms models from mayor manufacturers like samsung, sony and lcd are expected for third quarter this year :)
phoenix111384
06-06-03, 09:06 AM
i have the viewsonice vg700 ... crappy response times (35 ms) but it matches my system:p i'm looking at the VP171B or VX700 as a new primary monitor $519/16 ms and $565/25 ms respectively at newegg and $553 and $515 at monitorsdirect. what do u guys think? the only reason i would look at the vx700 is because of the integrated bezel speakers, which i use as my center channel.
SnComet2
06-06-03, 09:51 AM
a simulated center channel on any set of good speakers is probably better then what built in speakers can generate. I say to go for the vp171b.
edit: also, I have never seen a favorable review of the vx700 :(.
hey guys i just wanna add, my monitor is 60ms response time and only 400:1 contrast ratio, high end monitors are 500:1 . Even though im a serious gamer i really dont get bothered at all wtih 400:1 contrast, it looks the same as my old 17" crt, so you can be confy with this contrast, i just cant imagine how much cooler 500:1 is...
phoenix111384
06-06-03, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by SnComet2
a simulated center channel on any set of good speakers is probably better then what built in speakers can generate. I say to go for the vp171b.
edit: also, I have never seen a favorable review of the vx700 :(.
perhaps your right. sacrifice looks for performance:p although it would be nice to have matching monitors that match the entire system...
woo! i think i can get the Benq monitor monday or tuesday :D :D :D
ive wanted one of these lcd panels from the first day i saw one. can't wait :D
buy it. buy it. your eyes will thank you. :D :beer:
Cisco Kid
06-07-03, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by snvpa
buy it. buy it. your eyes will thank you. :D :beer:
hey hey isn' that what I said LOL I can only agree, and this is after a day in the sun on the West Coast truly having fun, man I a having a hard time typing, hammered and feeling it!!!!!!!!!!!
Cisco kid
Audioaficionado
06-07-03, 10:29 AM
I have a 19" Samsung CRT I got for $180 shipped because a comparible 17" LCD wasn't in my budget.
However I'm in the market for my daughter's future 17" LCD to go with her ShuttleX microform PC. That 16ms 500:1 BenQ is looking pretty good for being under the $400 limit.
If I'd had an extra $200 bux to spend earlier, I'd have gotten that BenQ for myself as well.
http://www.benq.com.sg/product_lcd_fp767.html
Edit: $350 including a $30 mfr rebate at ExcaliberPC.
I'm gonna have to pounce on this deal.
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=1089
Originally posted by Audioaficionado
I have a 19" Samsung CRT I got for $180 shipped because a comparible 17" LCD wasn't in my budget.
However I'm in the market for my daughter's future 17" LCD to go with her ShuttleX microform PC. That 16ms 500:1 BenQ is looking pretty good for being under the $400 limit.
If I'd had an extra $200 bux to spend earlier, I'd have gotten that BenQ for myself as well.
http://www.benq.com.sg/product_lcd_fp767.html
Edit: $350 including a $30 mfr rebate at ExcaliberPC.
I'm gonna have to pounce on this deal.
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?products_id=1089
other place is 2 bucks cheaper at 378.00 but i'd probably go with excaliber cause they are pretty reputable. the amd peeps like them.
speaking of going with... soon as i deposit my paycheck on monday... a new monitor will be ordered :D :D
stereosteve99
06-07-03, 11:52 PM
IT's killing me. I must know how much of a difference there is with dvi.
Originally posted by stereosteve99
IT's killing me. I must know how much of a difference there is with dvi.
supposedly none, you can go to a local store and check both side by side, thats the only way i can think of it... just go for the benq, its CHEAP
Audioaficionado
06-08-03, 10:50 AM
Even if you do find an Office Depo or Staples with a display line-up, you'll have to wonder if all monitors were set-up correctly and that all have the same quality feed signal.
Originally posted by Audioaficionado
Even if you do find an Office Depo or Staples with a display line-up, you'll have to wonder if all monitors were set-up correctly and that all have the same quality feed signal.
you are right, we still need an objective review on the subject. Anyway i trust the gang members and the benq must be cool
someone should buy one of each. ;)
or someone could donate one to me. i'll review it for ya :D
rogue3092
06-08-03, 03:04 PM
I was thinking of getting one of those 16ms panels, but unfortunately the greytones and color reporoduction are pretty bad with the AO optronics panels. Thats why I am getting the new Sharp LL-T17D3 :) 17 ms response time, 8 bit color, and DVI-I.
stereosteve99
06-08-03, 07:42 PM
I converted! You must all envy me now! :eek: I bought the viewsonic vx900 19in digital, $700 at bestbuy. OMG my pants are wet. Anyway they had it set up playing UT2003, which is a really good test because it is such a fast paced game. It played beautifully, no ghosting from what I could tell. 600:1 contrast. I came home with it played a finding nemo trailer, and wow the color is awesome. I kow not many of you have mentioned this monitor, but it rocks, don't know the response time, but I didn't care, I saw it in action.
Originally posted by stereosteve99
I converted! You must all envy me now! :eek: I bought the viewsonic vx900 19in digital, $700 at bestbuy. OMG my pants are wet. Anyway they had it set up playing UT2003, which is a really good test because it is such a fast paced game. It played beautifully, no ghosting from what I could tell. 600:1 contrast. I came home with it played a finding nemo trailer, and wow the color is awesome. I kow not many of you have mentioned this monitor, but it rocks, don't know the response time, but I didn't care, I saw it in action.
sounds great. i can't wait to get mine :D :D
Originally posted by stereosteve99
I converted! You must all envy me now! :eek: I bought the viewsonic vx900 19in digital, $700 at bestbuy. OMG my pants are wet. Anyway they had it set up playing UT2003, which is a really good test because it is such a fast paced game. It played beautifully, no ghosting from what I could tell. 600:1 contrast. I came home with it played a finding nemo trailer, and wow the color is awesome. I kow not many of you have mentioned this monitor, but it rocks, don't know the response time, but I didn't care, I saw it in action.
welcome to the cult :D
stereosteve99
06-08-03, 11:44 PM
For those of you that will be browsing some of these at stores, make sure that they are in their native screen resolutions. I noticed that a lot that I looked at today weren't, and they didn't look good. Just check!
Cisco Kid
06-09-03, 01:44 AM
I have just finished gaming it up large, played some NFS2 and Unreal 2 go the graphics on this game are great, game play soso but it is new to me heheh, as well as a little run at UT2003. My BenQ treated me very well no issues at all and playing at 1280x1024 with eye candy , OMG I had a really great time as I do not get to game that often these days.
My 9500 Pro overclocked with the Tbred 1700 running at 2.4, I truly had a fluid game play overall and no ghosting so I can only say from personal experience those considering the Fp767 will not be dissappointed.
Cisco KId:D :thup: :burn:
SnComet2
06-09-03, 02:02 AM
i'm so jealous...going home in 5 days then I can finally test out my lcd :p
James-Italy
06-09-03, 06:12 AM
Updated sig. :)
I've got a TOTALLY different opinion on DVI than some of you, though. When I first plugged in the FP2000 analogue I wasn't impressed. Then I tried DVI and the difference was instantly noticeable and really made a huge improvement. But then again I play a lot of twitch games like UT, UT2K3, etc.
Anyway, I've played A/B 21" CRT/20.1"LCD and for normal windows the LCD blows away the CRT. For most games the LCD also wins hands down. There are a few games where the CRT has a slight edge, but for the most part I prefer the LCD. Overall, the LCD is just the way to go. Period.
alright. just finished clicking the submit order button :)
ups ground takes friggin forever.. but at least its free :D
Originally posted by James-Italy
Updated sig. :)
I've got a TOTALLY different opinion on DVI than some of you, though. When I first plugged in the FP2000 analogue I wasn't impressed. Then I tried DVI and the difference was instantly noticeable and really made a huge improvement. But then again I play a lot of twitch games like UT, UT2K3, etc.
Anyway, I've played A/B 21" CRT/20.1"LCD and for normal windows the LCD blows away the CRT. For most games the LCD also wins hands down. There are a few games where the CRT has a slight edge, but for the most part I prefer the LCD. Overall, the LCD is just the way to go. Period.
i agree, my hitachi cml174 has both analog and dvi inputs too, analog looks like like washy CRAP, OTOH dvi is silk smooth and sharp, at lower resolutions (640x480) it has a filter so it looks good even if its not a native resolution
mirko_3
06-09-03, 12:32 PM
do lcds look like crap even if you run the below native resolution? I thought only above native created problems...
Audioaficionado
06-09-03, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by mirko_3
do lcds look like crap even if you run the below native resolution? I thought only above native created problems...
Why is that?
phoenix111384
06-09-03, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by mirko_3
do lcds look like crap even if you run the below native resolution? I thought only above native created problems...
depends on the monitor. with my viewsonic vg700 it starts looking blurry at a lower res below native. and if u have the correct drivers installed, most lcd monitors won't let u go above native.
Audioaficionado
06-09-03, 02:21 PM
So DVI is better at many screen resolutions but RGB is only decent at the native res?
I'm on a tight budget but for less than a C note, I could upgrade to a DVI and I just want to know for sure as I'll go for the best bang for the buck deal, not always the cheapest route.
This one (http://monitoroutlet.com/237846.html) was mentioned on the LCD sticky as being much better than the BenQ albeit at a higher price.
phoenix111384
06-09-03, 02:29 PM
it would seem that way. i haven't had the chance to test a dvi monitor, but when i used the dvi converter to vga for my vg700, the quality seems much better then just vga.
SnComet2
06-09-03, 03:11 PM
haven't seen my 172t yet :( , but on the 191t 1024x768 (1280x1024 native) looked just fine while playing games with dvi connection. Even my other friends viewsonic va720 looked fine in games at 1024x768 and its analog, although the blurring made me sick and that one, heh.
Originally posted by phoenix111384
it would seem that way. i haven't had the chance to test a dvi monitor, but when i used the dvi converter to vga for my vg700, the quality seems much better then just vga.
thats a good point. I'm using the dvi out on my gf4 with an anaolog to dvi convertor, maybe there is a difference. I'm to lazy to check if there is a difference between using dvi-analog vs just analog. hey cisco are you using the dvi out on you 9500 or just the analog?
What is the response time (ms) usually for CRT's ?
Originally posted by Shook
What is the response time (ms) usually for CRT's ?
theres no such thing for crts, they will show the image as fast as it can do, if it helps crt response time is always equal to Hz displayed
Cisco Kid
06-09-03, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Audioaficionado
So DVI is better at many screen resolutions but RGB is only decent at the native res?
I'm on a tight budget but for less than a C note, I could upgrade to a DVI and I just want to know for sure as I'll go for the best bang for the buck deal, not always the cheapest route.
This one (http://monitoroutlet.com/237846.html) was mentioned on the LCD sticky as being much better than the BenQ albeit at a higher price.
That is a nice monitor but also costing about $180 US more than the FP767 but you get the DVI that you want, try to find it elswhere for cheaper. Its NEC and that is their top LCD, I checked it out but here in Vancouver I was just not willing to pay the difference in cost.
Cisco KId;)
Cisco Kid
06-09-03, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by snvpa
thats a good point. I'm using the dvi out on my gf4 with an anaolog to dvi convertor, maybe there is a difference. I'm to lazy to check if there is a difference between using dvi-analog vs just analog. hey cisco are you using the dvi out on you 9500 or just the analog?
Me I am just using the analog out, I will try to find my ati 7500 anlalog to dvi adapter shortly and let you know what I think.
Well I am tping this on my notebook with my FP767 displaying a movie, it is hard for me to tell as I find the quality to be excellent as I view the Metallica St Anger DVD. Whether it is better than just straight vga, possibly it is a touch, I dunno, text and everything as it is is extemely sharp. But guess it should be a touch better than it wasfrom what others are saying. Anyways had the adapter lying around, thanks for the tip never thought of it
Cisco Kid
:cool:
Cisco Kid
06-09-03, 06:31 PM
oops
UGH!!!
Logical plus emailed me and said my monitor would be delayed in shipping since i gave them a different address for shipment.
story is that my card is through my parents address and i'm in an apartment. i had it shipped here but they decided they should call the phone number verified by the bank for confirmation.. which means my parents house. if they find out i spent 400 bucks on a monitor they are going to flip. i just hope they didn't leave any details on the message since nobody should have been home.
i'm sure this is a very secure way of doing business but in my case it could really make me extremely mad at them. i've never heard of a company calling the phone number verified by the bank without emailing you first.
so.. i hope i get my monitor :(
have faith brother, it will pass :)
bucken77
06-09-03, 09:05 PM
I just ordered the planar PX171M Silver. It looks pretty sweet and got a good review at gamepc.com. I will tell you guys how it is when I get it.
donny_paycheck
06-09-03, 09:39 PM
What do you guys think about a sticky for this?
I'm thinking something along the lines of a thread where each LCD-using member makes one post where they post what monitor they have, its specs, what they paid for it, and a few comments (centered around gaming, of course).
It'd be a nice resource since LCD panels are becoming more affordable these days, and by Christmas they'll probably be hot items to get. That's what Ed wrote on the front page back in January.
This thread is one of my favorites in a long time since I'm looking into a LCD panel myself right now.
OMG THATS HELLUVAN HONOR TO ME
STICKY IT FFS!!!
heheh jk, good to know, this was the whole point, to gather experience for gamers that are curious on lcds...
Audioaficionado
06-09-03, 11:16 PM
PhobMX and donny_paycheck
How about making it a fresh thread as this one is full of posts already.
i agree. this thread has been VERY useful for me.
turns out they never called my parents house. i replied to their email so maybe they wont :D
Cisco Kid
06-09-03, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
OMG THATS HELLUVAN HONOR TO ME
STICKY IT FFS!!!
heheh jk, good to know, this was the whole point, to gather experience for gamers that are curious on lcds...
I hear happy happy happy, and I must say I have enjoyed this thread as well checking up on it daily to see whats new!!
cisco kid
donny_paycheck
06-09-03, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Audioaficionado
PhobMX and donny_paycheck
How about making it a fresh thread as this one is full of posts already.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
PhobMX, if you go start a new one I'll stick it.
I was thinking something like the picture thread in GC, where we don't discuss anything, and each member only posts once about their display. That way it's like a sort of database where people can compare models, features, and prices - as well as read comments from members about how they like/hate their display.
Whatever, it's up to you how you want to do it. That's just an idea.
Cisco Kid
06-10-03, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by donny_paycheck
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
PhobMX, if you go start a new one I'll stick it.
I was thinking something like the picture thread in GC, where we don't discuss anything, and each member only posts once about their display. That way it's like a sort of database where people can compare models, features, and prices - as well as read comments from members about how they like/hate their display.
Whatever, it's up to you how you want to do it. That's just an idea.
excellent idea!! Get onto it PhobMX!!!
Cisco KId
Audioaficionado
06-10-03, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by bucken77
I just ordered the planar PX171M Silver. It looks pretty sweet and got a good review at gamepc.com. I will tell you guys how it is when I get it.
Where & how much?
Linky too :D
bucken77
06-10-03, 08:16 AM
I got it from www.monitorsdirect.com. It was $569.00 with free delivery.
My refurbed Hitachi cml174 should be here today. I will try to post something this evening about how it turned out. Wish me luck!!
Kid
PS: it could have been here yesterday, but UPS was holding it hostage in a city only 4 hours drive from me........
Audioaficionado
06-10-03, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by Kid98
My refurbed Hitachi cml174 should be here today. I will try to post something this evening about how it turned out. Wish me luck!!
Kid
PS: it could have been here yesterday, but UPS was holding it hostage in a city only 4 hours drive from me........
LOL, I once had a computer case I bought online in California end up in Pensilvania. I live in Oregon. This was the second one they sent as the first one was crushed. Who says FedEx can't screw up too.
Right now I have a CRT and get about ~200 fps in some firstperson shooter games so if I get an LCD with 16ms response time wihch gives 60fps? Would this mean I will be limited to a max of ~60fps playing the same game?
Audioaficionado
06-10-03, 10:22 AM
Your video card may be processing 200fps, but your CRT isn't by a long shot. Movies are 24fps and TV is 30fps. 60fps will work fine as it's over twice as fast as your eyes are.
couldnt think of a better name hehehe
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203663
mods feel free to change the thread title, jump ship peepz!!!
beautiful. love the title. I agree this has been a great thread. lets not let it die even though there is a sticky. i'm strongly considering ordering a second benq 767.
shouldn't it be worded: "Post your gaming experiences with LCD's"
the way its worded now makes it seem like there are particular lcds just for gaming.
well there really are particular lcd's for gaming. if you got a lcd with a 40ms response time you wouldn't be able top play any games well.
Originally posted by snvpa
well there really are particular lcd's for gaming. if you got a lcd with a 40ms response time you wouldn't be able top play any games well.
well sure.. but what if there was a 40ms panel that was decent with games? (not that there would be.. but anyways.)
LawyerLynn
06-10-03, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by scanido
Love my samsung 191T
Ditto here. Great Monitor, will never go CRT again.
donny_paycheck
06-10-03, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
couldnt think of a better name hehehe
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203663
mods feel free to change the thread title, jump ship peepz!!!
Looks great! Stick!
Originally posted by Maxvla
well sure.. but what if there was a 40ms panel that was decent with games? (not that there would be.. but anyways.)
well since response time is the prime factor for whether an lcd can play games properly or not there wouldn't be one unless you were happy with 25 frmaes per second ( 40ms/1000) 25 fps. which of course we know wouldn't happen. but yeah I think the title would be better the way you stated.
i'm not arguing about tech specs.. i'm saying what i said because no monitors are sold as "Gaming" Monitors like they are completely different than regular monitors.
it could easily confuse members.
Audioaficionado
06-11-03, 12:04 AM
I'm waiting for Maxvla's review before I buy that Benq ;)
Audioaficionado
06-11-03, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by snvpa
well since response time is the prime factor for whether an lcd can play games properly or not there wouldn't be one unless you were happy with 25 frmaes per second ( 40ms/1000) 25 fps. which of course we know wouldn't happen. but yeah I think the title would be better the way you stated.
The absolute minimum for me would be 16ms/60Hz. I've seen some mfrs spec them as rising and trailing to make it look faster. 15/10 is really 25ms and not that impressive for gaming.
Originally posted by Audioaficionado
I'm waiting for Maxvla's review before I buy that Benq ;)
and you shall have it :)
Originally posted by Audioaficionado
The absolute minimum for me would be 16ms/60Hz. I've seen some mfrs spec them as rising and trailing to make it look faster. 15/10 is really 25ms and not that impressive for gaming.
just so you know refresh rate has nothing to do with lcd monitors performance. lcd monitors do not refresh whiuch is why if you vidoe taped an lcd next to a crt a crt would have lines going through it while the lcd wouldn't. crt's performance can be measured by refresh rate at a certain resolution while lcd's are response time.
Audioaficionado
06-11-03, 07:24 PM
In a CRT the phosphors glow for a small fracton of a second after the electron beam hits them and then go dark. The faster the refresh rate, the less percieved flicker.
An LCD pixlel element doesn't grow dark just after it's activated, but persists until a differant signal chages it.
Cisco Kid
06-14-03, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Maxvla
and you shall have it :)
where is it?? bring it on I know you will be happy same as snvpa told me;)
Cisco KId
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
where is it?? bring it on I know you will be happy same as snvpa told me;)
Cisco KId
its sitting in the UPS plant in OKC :(
it will arrive monday though :D
woot!
using my new monitor right now :D
i'm very impressed so far. i haven't gamed yet so i will reserve my judgement til then. :)
gaming is far better than my crt.
alot smoother motion and crisper images.
thanks again guys :D
Audioaficionado
06-17-03, 02:02 AM
How is the dark color washout I've heard is a weakness in LCDs?
I've been running an 18.1" NEC lcd for a year and a half now. I like the monitor, but for gaming... ugh, it's basically what's holding back my framerate. I think it's a 25 ms'er though, so I can't really complain.
Cisco Kid
06-17-03, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Audioaficionado
How is the dark color washout I've heard is a weakness in LCDs?
I have found this to be an issue in all LCD's , but to be honest it is quite minor overall unless you need you LCD for professional graphix work I think you will be happy. As you may know I use the FP767 and the colour differentiation is decent enough for me but you may be more picky
Cisco KId
MadBlade
06-17-03, 04:46 PM
LCDs are good for gamming, just as CRT are as good for text.
Even though you can have good experiences on both platforms and LCD does have the potential to leave all CRTs in the realm of black and white television, but as of right now they are still not there.
Maybe in a couple of years or less.
Like I said eventhough LCDs are good for gamming I don't think they can beat an equally priced or equally rated CRT counterpart.
ODD I must have pressed the button twice, sorry mods.
There's a "delete post" option at the top of the page if you edit your post...
err... nice sig... ...
Audioaficionado
06-17-03, 08:33 PM
I eventually want to switch all my monitors to LCDs. But I can't justify the cost now since I'm still not properly employed. All my spare bux are going to building more computers. Gotta get more GHz of folding power going asap. :D
Cisco Kid
06-17-03, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by MadBlade
LCDs are good for gamming, just as CRT are as good for text.
Even though you can have good experiences on both platforms and LCD does have the potential to leave all CRTs in the realm of black and white television, but as of right now they are still not there.
Maybe in a couple of years or less.
Like I said eventhough LCDs are good for gamming I don't think they can beat an equally priced or equally rated CRT counterpart.
the space savings and ease on eyes to me are well worth it, no more crt for me ever...LOL
cisco kid
MadBlade
06-18-03, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
the space savings and ease on eyes to me are well worth it, no more crt for me ever...LOL
cisco kid
Isn't this an LCD gamming thread?
LCDs rule in space and sharpness (especially in text), but for gamming CRTs rule.
Originally posted by MadBlade
Isn't this an LCD gamming thread?
LCDs rule in space and sharpness (especially in text), but for gamming CRTs rule.
see i feel exactly the opposite.
i think my text on the CRT was clearer but gaming is alot better on the LCD. weird.
SnComet2
06-18-03, 03:41 AM
i agree, my lcd is worlds better than my NEC 791sb was for gaming. I love it so so much :P.
1-Man-Army
06-18-03, 05:25 PM
hmmm ease on the eyes? my dads lcd makes me barf when i try to play cs on his comp i dont no why maybe he didnt configure it right? any ways when i play on it the thing is like dark and greenish in dark maps, my head starts to hurt & i get dizzy, so any tips?
its a sony lcd sdm-s51
phoenix111384
06-18-03, 06:07 PM
perhaps its the slow response time of the monitor? according to the specs, it says its 30 ms...
it might also be the graphics of the game... i have some friends who get headaches from playing cs, and its no fault of the monitor.
Audioaficionado
06-18-03, 06:26 PM
It all boils down to very subjective preferances. We're all built differantly and what rocks for one may suck for another.
Flicker bugs me more than ghosting and I like the way LCDs look compared to CRTs but only by a little. Both are great if they're large enough.
I really like the smaller footprint on my real desktop LCDs will give me. I also don't have to worry about one of my cats climbing on top, barfing in the monitor and blowing it up with an LCD :p
I think I'd be sick too if I were using a 30ms LCD for gaming,
phoenix111384
06-18-03, 09:04 PM
each to their own i suppose:) i have no problems using a 35 ms response time monitor. quality of the monitor also accounts for something too though.
hopefully i get the chance to experience a 16 ms response time by the end of summer:D plans are in the works for a vp171b ... if i can afford it by then.
danomite664
06-19-03, 12:58 AM
i want to get a 17" LCD, any suggestions on where to buy a good, cheap one?
Cisco Kid
06-19-03, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by danomite664
i want to get a 17" LCD, any suggestions on where to buy a good, cheap one?
dood the thread is full of info start a reading, you wil find the info you need
cisco kid
danomite664
06-19-03, 10:51 PM
i will, i just didnt have the time or patience at 1 in the morning last night
Audioaficionado
06-20-03, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by danomite664
i will, i just didnt have the time or patience at 1 in the morning last night
If that's the case, you're better off just going to bed and searching the forums & google when you wake later.
stoopid
06-20-03, 10:07 AM
Just ordered a 17" BenQ from logicalplus to replace my trusty 15" NEC (getting $150 from my friend locally for it). Can't wait! :D
BTW, when gaming, you need to run 1280x1024, right? If so, how badly is it impacting your frame rates?
BTW, cisco... why have you not responded to my PM?
Originally posted by stoopid
Just ordered a 17" BenQ from logicalplus to replace my trusty 15" NEC (getting $150 from my friend locally for it). Can't wait! :D
BTW, when gaming, you need to run 1280x1024, right? If so, how badly is it impacting your frame rates?
BTW, cisco... why have you not responded to my PM?
1280x1024 should impact your fps quite a bit, but its better than non-native resolutions, but you have helluva system, you are loaded :D
stoopid
06-20-03, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by PhobMX
1280x1024 should impact your fps quite a bit, but its better than non-native resolutions, but you have helluva system, you are loaded :D
Yeah, looks like a 40% fps drop with my current quality settings based on the online reviews/benchmarks :(
I'll probably lower the AA to 2X as the resolution should more than make up for the jaggies.
18" mag black, great deal from bestbuy....will never go back to crt again...
Avatar28
06-20-03, 01:39 PM
Okay, a bit of a question here. You guys are claiming the benq to have a 500:1 contrast ratio, but everywhere I've seen it shows it as 400:1, so not quite as good.
For about $25 more, I found this monitor.
http://www.logicalplus.com/necmullc17in7.html
16 ms response time and 450:1 contrast ratio.
stoopid
06-20-03, 01:45 PM
Not too bad :)
I like NEC's stuff (think they're a direct Sony competitor overseas). It looks like an almost identical match to the BenQ, and NEC's a well respected name in monitors. I'd say go for the extra few bucks... but with the BenQ rebate, it's actually a $55 difference.
Avatar28
06-20-03, 03:00 PM
That's a point. So the question is is it worth an extra $55 for the extra contrast. I'm thinking towards yes, especially since I HATE messing with MIRs. I might see what i can dig up in the anandtech hot deals forums too i think.
stoopid
06-20-03, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Avatar28
That's a point. So the question is is it worth an extra $55 for the extra contrast. I'm thinking towards yes, especially since I HATE messing with MIRs. I might see what i can dig up in the anandtech hot deals forums too i think.
My current LCD only has a 350:1 contrast and I think it still looks great. I'm only buying the BenQ for the size increase, contrast only needs to be at 350:1 or better for my tastes... so No, I don't think the higher contrast spec is going to make the sale for me. :D
the benq does have 500:1
400:1 is a misprint. musta been on something important cause i see it 400:1 at alot of places.
Originally posted by stoopid
Just ordered a 17" BenQ from logicalplus to replace my trusty 15" NEC (getting $150 from my friend locally for it). Can't wait! :D
BTW, when gaming, you need to run 1280x1024, right? If so, how badly is it impacting your frame rates?
BTW, cisco... why have you not responded to my PM?
I run my benq gaming at 1024 *768 with no noticeable difference from native. I'm also using dvi to vga converter I believe that has something to do with it.
AC Slater
06-21-03, 07:37 PM
I've been using my Hyundai Image Quest L70A for a year now. LCD's dominate.
MadBlade
06-21-03, 07:38 PM
Samsungs are superv LCDs
18' Dell LCD. Great for gaming and since I lan every weekend, I can carry in my whole system at one time. Which is great since it rains around Seattle A LOT!
Cisco Kid
06-21-03, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by stoopid
Just ordered a 17" BenQ from logicalplus to replace my trusty 15" NEC (getting $150 from my friend locally for it). Can't wait! :D
BTW, when gaming, you need to run 1280x1024, right? If so, how badly is it impacting your frame rates?
BTW, cisco... why have you not responded to my PM?
I am sure I responded to your pm, you questioned whether I was satisfied with the FP767 and I said very much so. Have not been around much as work has kept me busy, will check pms and sent replies now. Well I deleted all my pm's as mail box was full if I did not pm you back send me again I will be glad to answer any questions you may have but I see you have bought the FP&^& already and you will be happy.
Cisco KId
stoopid
06-22-03, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
but I see you have bought the FP&^& already and you will be happy.
Yeah, couldn't wait :D
Thanks for getting back to me here then, and I don't get a lot of PMs, so I'm 100% certain you must have deleted my PM accidentally before replying. Certainly no harm done. I should have the monitor tomorrow, will report back with my $0.02 ;)
if you are willing to do a mini review you can try posting in the sticky too...
stoopid
06-23-03, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by PhobMX
if you are willing to do a mini review you can try posting in the sticky too...
Absolutely, maybe even take some digital photos before/after ;)
stoopid
06-23-03, 05:49 PM
I likes the monitor. I'm gonna piece together a review and prolly post it on icrontic, so I'll be back with a linky soon.
ShP1124
06-23-03, 08:05 PM
i'm getting a samsung 152b in a couple weeks i foudn a deal where it's only 239 bucks!!! 450 contrast 350 brightness 25 ms response time it's sweet!!!!
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