My Defective AMD CPU

[Finkle]

Since the first day I got my 1900+, and checked my temps I noticed that my normal running temp was in the high 60's. I posted a message about this problem, just about a year ago, and you all thought I was insane. You suggested different programs to mesure my temps because the 60 degree stock *un-clocked* temps were obviously wrong. However, one year later and many different programs later, I still get temps in the high 60's and sometimes past 70 degrees within the first five mins of the computer being on. I recentyl purchased a new Antec case with a rediculous amount of fans (set up properly), I thought this would lower my temps, but it didn't. Recently my computer has been so unstable that after 30 mins of being on, the CPU overheats and shutsdown. Also everything is dust free.

Any idea what the problem might be? or am i just wasting my time. Should I contact AMD and a demand a new CPU?

[cheaterzx22]

Wow, is your house really hot? I really can't think of another reason for it doing that. Unless your heatsink has been set wrong this whole time somehow, but i doubt that.

::Edit:: What mobo are you running by the way?

[timmyqwest]

who installed the HSF, i'm assuming you tried to reinstall it correct

[Finkle]

my motherboard is a asus a7v-333
yeah i installed my heat sink and fan myself, pretty sure i did i correctly, i followed instructions. and what do u mean by reinstalled it? I installed my HSF once.

[timmyqwest]

Originally posted by Finkle
my motherboard is a asus a7v-333
yeah i installed my heat sink and fan myself, pretty sure i did i correctly, i followed instructions. and what do u mean by reinstalled it? I installed my HSF once.

I'd go out and buy some arctic silver 3 thermal compound and install it again

[Gautam]

Your problem sounds quite serious. Not even a stock HSF should be getting temps quite that high. The problem almost definitely lies in the contact between the core of the CPU and the heatsink. Either the heatsink is seated improperly, or perhaps the core is chipped leading to uneven pressure. Thermal compoud is probably not even part of the equation here. AS III is not going to reduce your temps by 20 °C period, but a chipped core could increase it by this much. There's a very good chance though, that you may have just put the clip on backwards or something and just haven't noticed it. I'd say reseating the heatsink could end up pleasantly surprising you.

[OC Detective]

Sounds to me like the HSF is not on properly - is the Heat Sink hot to touch?

[Yodums]

Might want to follow the steps of installing an HSF on again?

Are you using thermal paste? That's very important.

[GravY]

whats thermal paste??? :D

J/k..

man you need to check that out, looks like your running your HSF with no thermal paste..

[Finkle]

yeah my HSF is damn hot to the touch. and no im not using any special thermal paste, only the stuff it came with. The only reason im not using as3 is becasue i heard u gotta keep changing it,is there anything more permanent???And im, pretty sure i installed the hsf correctly b/c i have another similar system that runs a 1800+ below 50 degrees. Honestly, im at a loss, i e-mailed amd to see what they say, hopefully they can help too. U guys think that as3 will help that much? thanks for all the suggestions thus far.

[jonspd]

Yea as3 can help alot IMO from about 2-8c lower.


What voltage is you chip running @ have you checked it in your bios and on asus probe, maybe MBM5?

[Finkle]

my voltage is at 1.75, the stock voltage, ive checked on my bios, i guess asus probe and mbm5 whould say the same thing

[Finkle]

what other options do i have besides as3, assuming that is my problem. I would like to use something that i wouldnt have to replace every few months, like the stock stuff i guess.

[jonspd]

You dont have to replace as3 every few months allthough it is good to keep a good clean case anyway so it wouldn't hurt. As for some other stuff AS3 is the best around that I'am aware of.

[dropadrop]

What kind of fans do you have on the case? Is there a good air-flow?

My xp1600+ used to run in the high 60's untill I changed my case to an antec 1040. After that it ran high 50's, meaning I lost 10 degreese just by changing the case to something that actually moved air...

[Finkle]

i recently bought a Antec PLUSVIEW 1000AMG ATX Mid Tower
case, this really seemed to have no affect at all. I think my problem has to do with getting the heat from the CPU to the heatsink so i can be relesed to the surrounding air. I think i will try the arctic silver. Oh yeah one last question, if , somehow, but i realy doubt it, my die is chipped, wouldnt it stop working intirely, wouldnt my CPU stop function???

[dropadrop]

I have heared of chipped processors still working, maby not overclocking as well as before though. It depends how badly it's chiped, and what is in the processor at the place of impact. I don't think it would affect the heat that it produces though.

[Finkle]

okay, well i seems that the only possible solution to my problem is AS3, but should i go ahead and use this stuff, or should i send my CPU to AMD first since using as3 voids my warranty

[Finkle]

also ive heard that copper heat sinks are far better, anyone know what heatsink i could get that i could still use my stock CPU fan with(ie same dimensions as the stock heatsink), because i really dont want anymore noise.

[dropadrop]

If you want it to be silent, the best option is to get a good copper heatsink, with a silent fan. (papst, ystech ect) Good heatsinks would be atleast a thermaltake sk-7, or slk-800. Both of these use 80mm fans, so you probably need to get a new fan at the same time.

I would definatly use the arctic silver. As long as you apply it correctly, you don't have to worry about about warranty. You are only supposed to apply a thin layer on the core of the processor, and you will be able to clean it off incase you need to send the processor back to amd.

[Finkle]

could i use the Thermalright SK-6 Copper Heatsink in conjuction with my stock fan and AS3. that would still be silent, but would it bring down my temps????

[Mustanley]

The Vantec Aeroflow is a copper/aluminum HSF that is pretty quiet but performs well. My temperatures at stock speed are 38 C and 43 C under load. Pretty cheap as well.

[Ben721]

I like the AX-7 $18 at svc.

[Finkle]

Yeah well thanks for all the replies, but I just got some ASIII for about 12$, I looked at my CPU everything seemed fine. So I go ahead and put on this "lubrication" for my pc :P... turn on my comp and now its around high 50's and low 60's with nothing really running, I know once I play a game, or what ever gets the CPU running again, its just going to get very hot, to a point where it becomes redicoulous. I got my e-mail back from AMD and they play stupid with me, and think im in grade 2, and talk about my air flow, even thoough i told them all about the air flow, and what kind of case I've got.

should i just call them, and demand for a new one?.... what the dill?

[snvpa]

Well clean your cpu off since you put new as3 on it because it does viod your warranty and demand a new processor from them. It sounds to me like you've done everyhting correctly. with good airflow your cpu should not be thjat hot with all those fans.

[Finkle]

well i called amd and they said to send the cpu and they would send a 2000 or a 2100 and he said it may be a thouroughbred b/c they no longer make palominos (news to me) . I was just wondering how u guys think i should send it as far as cleaning and prep so as to avoid "well it seems u didnt use the stock crap so we cant send u a new one" should i just clean i perfectly and if they ask what i use i can say the stock stuff except i like to keep my cpu clean and therefore sent it sparkling clean. Am i just being paranoid??

[snvpa]

just clean it so you can't see the silver of the as3. I really don't think they will give you a problem. 100 bucks when you lost 100 million last month is nothing at all. if they are smart they woiuld much rateher keep a satisfied amd customer than shun you and **** you off enough to go buy an intel.

[Finkle]

i think your right, any specific 2000 or 2100 i should ask for?I know that some 2100's kick some serisous ass. How bout 2000's?

[snvpa]

if you could \get a 2100 auihb that would be a very good one. i don't know if they will care what you want as far as stepping. overclocking voids your warranty so as far as amd and 97-99% of the world is concerned a 2100 is a 2100

[Finkle]

one last question , i think. My asus a7v333 will work with any athlon XP right, are there any that it wont work with??

[snvpa]

probably will need a bios flash to recognize a tbred processor correctly. easily obtained from asus' website. if you need help with a bios flash usefull information can be found on this forum in the motherboards section.

edited for spelling. stupid broken finger :bang head

[Mark Larson]

So why don't you try re-installing the heatsink? I'm at a loss here - you're concerned with the problem, know what a probable fix would be, and still aren't doing it? :confused:

[snvpa]

I believe he did reinstall the heatsink. and he applied as3 to it. I'm under the impression that he's capable of installing a heatsink properly. after all its not rocket science. Sometimes chips are not manufactured properly or maybe the core is chipped could be any number of possibilities.

[Finkle]

yeah i tried reintstalling my heatsink with as3 and it did nothing, i called amd and they said they will replace my cpu so i guess problem solved