View Full Version : Is Nvidia REPLACING the Budget FX Line?????
Hey all!
Its been said a thousand times that the 5200 and 5600 just blow(basically all of them that use the NV 30/31 core). So the only thing to look at seriously is the 5900. Does anyone know if Nvidia is planning on replacing the budget cards to use the NV 35 core that the 5900 uses?? I'm looking to replace my GF3 Ti500 in the summer and need something to upgrade (ATI is not an option). But only wanna spend $250 tops. I really dont wanna buy a GF4 since I would like to get the latest core (ie. nv35). So was wondering if the 5600 will get rebuilt with the new nv35 core anytime soon? Anyone have any info?
Thanx!
So ATI's too good for you ?
:p
lol no.. I just have my reasons for not buying an ATI. I'm a student and work primarily in 3D. So far ATI has nothing but problems running the apps that I use, so I use Nvidia cards. I should be buying a quadro but the regular Geforce's work pretty well and their cheaper =p.
Yeah uhhh they may start replacing em.... in about a year. Most people who buy the cards dont know that they arnt that great. So Nvidia is making money even though the cards suck. So what incentive would they have to replace them?
If you really got to be an Nvidia leach then you should just buy a ti4600... seriously its a better buy than the joke known as the FX.
And you can save some money. All the Nvidia clowns will be selling there ti4600's and downgrading to a the 5600, snag a cheap ti4600. Not like you need DX9 right?
Also... what ATI card gave you these problems? Are ya sure you dont wanna try ATI again? Seriously my last card was a ti500... I loved it. But man this 9700 pro OWNZ.
I would get the 5600 ultra if it didnt suck... It's still based on the NV 30 (or NV 31 core i forget). That why I am asking the question whether the 5600 will be replaced with the better nv35 core the 5900 has.
IMHO.... not anytime soon. They would only do it... if it was going to make them more money than the current FX line... my guess is its not worth doing. They got lots of people with a blind allegiance to their company who will buy Nvidia even if they could get something better for cheaper.
Originally posted by IR1
If you really got to be an Nvidia leach then you should just buy a ti4600...
Nvidia leach? Listen im not getting into another ATI vs. Nvidia discussion. I would buy an ATI but like I said in my original post , ATI's drivers currently do not function with the 3D apps that I use. Nvidia's does. Its simple as that.. I would love to buy an ATI if they could run more then just games. But so far that's what ATI offers which is what the card is built for. So if ATI actually worked with 3D apps I would consider them. But they don't. I'm sorry if your an fanATIc. If it would make yah feel better I'll lie and say i'm buying an ATI. Hows that. Feel better?
relax man it wasnt really an insult.. more or less just a joke. Why dont you flip out. Here ill say im sorry... SORRY. Feel better?
I gave you some serious advice, I do have the ability to read I know you had problems with 3d apps , something I have little experience in. Next time ill try not to throw out dangerous words like Nvidia Leach.
Oooo watch out... Nvidia leach... cuts through people like a butter knife. Oh no i said it again!
Also I told you my last card was a ti500. I dont hate Nvidia... Im not here to start a ATi vs Nvidia thread. I think the FX line is a joke, and Nvidias Iq blows. But I dont hate em. I like a good old fasioned capalistic showdown! And right now ATI is winning... no biggy. If Nvidia made the 9700 pro.. id buy theirs.
EDIT... SO YES my vote ti4600!!! Cheap(er) and still very good, can beat the 5600 in many areas!
One other question... the 3d apps you use are they opengl based?
OC Noob
05-29-03, 11:30 AM
Seriously, if you are going to be running all sorts of 3D apps then get a Ti4200 and do the soft quadro hack. Instant quadro for about $100.
Since they probably won't be changing the cores that might be your best option.
ps do you mean ATI cards don't work at all for your apps or they just aren't as fast as NVidia cards? I know the NVidia GF4s are faster for 3d apps, but I've never heard of programs that ATI cards won't run at all. What apps are they?
As another though. I wonder if those fireGl or whatever ATI cards would work... they way to expensive though. I cant imagine buyin one when a Geforce 4 will suffice.
OC Noob
05-29-03, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by IR1
Oooo watch out... Nvidia leach... cuts through people like a butter knife. Oh no i said it again!
LOL
ph33R my 133+ butter knife!!!
ATI just has problems with highend 3D applications (i.e Maya for example, especially under linux).
They have problems with loading icons, textures, viewport displays, Memory leaks ect.. I mean these cards are not supposed to work with these kinda apps I understand this, but believe it or not the Geforce lines can run them pretty well. If i was totally into games and only games ATI would be my next purchase hands down. But I'm stuck with Nvidia since even now my GF3 ti500 can run the apps without too much trouble. Unfortunatley the soft quadro doesnt work to well with the gf4 lines :/.
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=199240
Check out this thread. Has a link to an article about the new Budget FX line being a real dissapointment. The 5600 ultra gets beat by the ti4200.... which gets beat by the 9500 pro.
So... any of the geforce 4's would be better than the 5600 ultra.
I cant see any other Nvidia card that fills your need but the GF4.
Would a 9700 pro or np modded to a fireGL... with the softmod... work with the 3D apps? I mean I dont wanna keep trying to shove ATI in your face, but have you thought about it? Or seen any sites that have info on how well it works?
OC Noob
05-29-03, 11:52 AM
I did the soft quadro mod for my sister-in-law and it works great, but I guess since you have a Ti500 going to a Ti4200 really isn't much of an upgrade.
Have you done the quadro mod on your Ti500? That should give you a really nice boost if you haven't.
ps ATI cards are the stink in Linux. Its been a while, but last I heard they don't have any decent linux drivers for even gaming.
Thanx guys for the info! No I totally understand, I want an ATI but i'm working on my reel at the moment and I am animating all my characters soon which is why I would like a better card.. I actually never heard of that soft mod for ati but if it works i'm there! I'll have todo some searches for sure! Yea it looks like the gf4 line is still the better choice. It's just that I dont upgrade much and was looking foward to the latest and greatest core. Its a real shame that the budget cards are that crappy :/. But will defidently see if that soft mod for ati will work. Again thanks for the help guys!
http://www.vr-zone.com/Home/news176/news176.htm#2823
Theres a linky here for info on that mod... ill keep looking myself as I am also interested in this. I think Rivatuner comes with this softmod for a 9700 to FireGL X1... or 9500 to FireGL M1.
EDIT:
THIS ones even better
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/News/Eng_News.asp?board_idx=1651
Originally posted by IR1
http://www.vr-zone.com/Home/news176/news176.htm#2823
Theres a linky here for info on that mod... ill keep looking myself as I am also interested in this. I think Rivatuner comes with this softmod for a 9700 to FireGL X1... or 9500 to FireGL M1.
EDIT:
THIS ones even better
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/News/Eng_News.asp?board_idx=1651
hey, will that mod work for the r9700 np???
OC Noob
05-29-03, 02:13 PM
Wow, I never heard of an ATI softmod. I always thought there was a transistor that had to be moved.
I think Rivatuner has the softmod... but dont quote me on that.... it may have to be coupled with the hardware mod.
But Yeah I assume it would work on a NP... since the only diff from Pro to NP is the memory, 2.8ns vs 3.0 or 3.3 ns, and sometimes there is no difference.
EDIT:
Ok I just went and checked out the specs on the new rivatuner and this was part of the update.
Updated 1032-compatible SoftFireGL script for ATI FireGL drivers. Antiprotection scripts for the control panel and some other components of 1032+ FireGL drivers are now also included in RivaTuner.
IR1 thanx for finding this info! I mean this *if it really works* would be amazing! I hope that its just a software mod. I mean I dont mind doing mods at all but when it comes to expensive video cards and solder I get a little nervous. Right now though i'm excited as hell and I think I'm going to wait a little for more information to come out on it. Hopefully its revealed soon.
check out Rivatuners forum.. they got more info there
Originally posted by 12si
Get the new 5600
you'd be better off with a Parhelia :P
DarkOneX
05-31-03, 10:54 PM
Dude the 5600 Ultra is by no means a bad card at all. I just sold my Chaintech GF4 Ti4600 for $150 and bought the ONLY FX 5600 ultra on the market right now which is the Leadtek WinFast A310 128MB and this thing r0x! It beats all my scores from my Ti4600 and it comes stock @ 350/700Mhz clock but I'm running it no probs @ 375/925! I've played alot of games today on it including Quake 3, BF1942, Splinter Cell, UT 2003, Unreal 2, Vice City, Moto GP 2, Rallisport Challenge, and the new Colin McRae Rally 3 demo and ALL of them ran silky smooth and fast @ 1024x768 with all max settings. I even ran alot of them with 8X AA and 8X Aniso and they still ran great! I'm so incredibly amazed at how great this $200 card is! I was upgrading all of my system and just for the heck of it decided I'd sell my GF4 to buy an FX 5600 Ultra just to play around with until the NV40 this winter. I have now decided I'm gonna just keep this badboy until next year (past the NV40) because it REALLY runs great, no lies. If you look at benches of the 5600 Ultra on HardOCP and Tomshardware you'll see in the Doom 3 benches it was giving 50fps and Tom even mentioned how he surprised at how well it faired. But note that was at the default speeds of 300/700 and on a 3.06Ghz 533bus CPU so I'm expecting 60fps+ on Doom 3 and I'm sure about the same on Half-Life 2 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. There is a revised version of the 5600 Ultra coming out that will run @ 400/800 stock but there should be no reason for me to ditch this Leadtek A310 since I'm getting 375/925 on it! I just compared 3DMark 2k1 scores and I'm literally within a few hundred marks below alot of FX 5800 scores and beating Radeon 9500/9600 scores by a good margin. Check out my 14305 3DMark score @
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6561481
and my 3DMark 2k3 score was 3784 beating my old Ti4600 score of 1898.
Anyway I know this sounds crazy but trust me, if you are looking to buy a $200 card right now, either get the Leadtek WinFast A310 Ultra now from Newegg.com or just wait a bit for the revised 5600 Ultra. You will NOT be disappointed one bit!
Originally posted by DarkOneX
Dude the 5600 Ultra is by no means a bad card at all. I just sold my Chaintech GF4 Ti4600 for $150 and bought the ONLY FX 5600 ultra on the market right now which is the Leadtek WinFast A310 128MB and this thing r0x! It beats all my scores from my Ti4600 and it comes stock @ 350/700Mhz clock but I'm running it no probs @ 375/925! I've played alot of games today on it including Quake 3, BF1942, Splinter Cell, UT 2003, Unreal 2, Vice City, Moto GP 2, Rallisport Challenge, and the new Colin McRae Rally 3 demo and ALL of them ran silky smooth and fast @ 1024x768 with all max settings. I even ran alot of them with 8X AA and 8X Aniso and they still ran great! I'm so incredibly amazed at how great this $200 card is! I was upgrading all of my system and just for the heck of it decided I'd sell my GF4 to buy an FX 5600 Ultra just to play around with until the NV40 this winter. I have now decided I'm gonna just keep this badboy until next year (past the NV40) because it REALLY runs great, no lies. If you look at benches of the 5600 Ultra on HardOCP and Tomshardware you'll see in the Doom 3 benches it was giving 50fps and Tom even mentioned how he surprised at how well it faired. But note that was at the default speeds of 300/700 and on a 3.06Ghz 533bus CPU so I'm expecting 60fps+ on Doom 3 and I'm sure about the same on Half-Life 2 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. There is a revised version of the 5600 Ultra coming out that will run @ 400/800 stock but there should be no reason for me to ditch this Leadtek A310 since I'm getting 375/925 on it! I just compared 3DMark 2k1 scores and I'm literally within a few hundred marks below alot of FX 5800 scores and beating Radeon 9500/9600 scores by a good margin. Check out my 14305 3DMark score @
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6561481
and my 3DMark 2k3 score was 3784 beating my old Ti4600 score of 1898.
Anyway I know this sounds crazy but trust me, if you are looking to buy a $200 card right now, either get the Leadtek WinFast A310 Ultra now from Newegg.com or just wait a bit for the revised 5600 Ultra. You will NOT be disappointed one bit!
Bad card? no good card? noooo Mediocre card? Right on
1-Man-Army
06-01-03, 08:51 AM
OMG 925 on ram thats so cool!
DarkOneX
06-01-03, 08:58 AM
Yep it rox. This other guy in the forums, Walldow, can run his Leadtek A310 Ultra @ 400/1000. I'd definetely say this is an amazing $200 card.
bs, a r9700np is a little above $200 and thats a REAL impressive card...
hawkeye_wx
06-01-03, 11:41 AM
Here is an article about the new 5600 Ultra coming soon. I wouldn't bother with the old version.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDc4
DarkOneX
06-01-03, 12:02 PM
No bs, I feel this is an incredible card for $200. I generally spend $400 on my video cards, this is the first time I've ever spent so little on a new video card and I'm just very impressed with the results is all. I didn't wanna spend much and definitely didn't want an ATI card after hearing stories from my 2 co-workers that have the 9700 Pro.
And hawkeye_wx, the only real diff is it's clocked @ 400/800. But I'm running this @ 375/925 so there would be no good reason for me to have waited and bought the new one. If the new one is able to run @ 500/1000 with no problem then I'll just sell this one for $200 on egay and buy the new one for $200, no big deal.
hawkeye_wx
06-01-03, 12:58 PM
dark, what is wrong with your co-workers' 9700pro cards? I have heard very little bad stuff about ATI's newer cards.
Originally posted by hawkeye_wx
dark, what is wrong with your co-workers' 9700pro cards? I have heard very little bad stuff about ATI's newer cards.
im interested too ;)
DarkOneX
06-01-03, 01:52 PM
Problems with glitches in games like Splinter Cell, Moto GP 2, and NFS Hot Pursuit 2.
Buhammot
06-01-03, 07:12 PM
Atari, kinda going with what IR1 said, i have a geforce3 ti 200, and i got the divers to see it as a quadro dcc, but it was a pain to get it working the first time. Give me a holler if you need more info on the subject, cause it can be a little tricky, since there are no definate guides for the geforce 3 line.
Buhammot
06-01-03, 07:18 PM
I managed to get my Gainward GeForce 3 Ti 200 to be seen as a Quadro DCC, and as to one reply... THERE ARE NO DEFINATE GUIDES FOR THE GEFORCE 3 LINE. And as stated in my original post, i asked that all replies be for GeForce 3 specific. I hope people learn to read these days, and i am well aware that the Quadro is not meant for gaming. I do gaming on the side, CAD work and 3d stuff as well. Or what the quadro is for. I also overclocked my gf3 card to quadro dcc specs, and so far.. no instability.
Not to mention i have an old cpu heatsink and fan on there, way better than stock. But i did manage to get it working. As for any difference, I cannot say any as of yet.
schismspeak
06-01-03, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by DarkOneX
Dude the 5600 Ultra is by no means a bad card at all. I just sold my Chaintech GF4 Ti4600 for $150 and bought the ONLY FX 5600 ultra on the market right now which is the Leadtek WinFast A310 128MB and this thing r0x! It beats all my scores from my Ti4600 and it comes stock @ 350/700Mhz clock but I'm running it no probs @ 375/925! I've played alot of games today on it including Quake 3, BF1942, Splinter Cell, UT 2003, Unreal 2, Vice City, Moto GP 2, Rallisport Challenge, and the new Colin McRae Rally 3 demo and ALL of them ran silky smooth and fast @ 1024x768 with all max settings. I even ran alot of them with 8X AA and 8X Aniso and they still ran great! I'm so incredibly amazed at how great this $200 card is! I was upgrading all of my system and just for the heck of it decided I'd sell my GF4 to buy an FX 5600 Ultra just to play around with until the NV40 this winter. I have now decided I'm gonna just keep this badboy until next year (past the NV40) because it REALLY runs great, no lies. If you look at benches of the 5600 Ultra on HardOCP and Tomshardware you'll see in the Doom 3 benches it was giving 50fps and Tom even mentioned how he surprised at how well it faired. But note that was at the default speeds of 300/700 and on a 3.06Ghz 533bus CPU so I'm expecting 60fps+ on Doom 3 and I'm sure about the same on Half-Life 2 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. There is a revised version of the 5600 Ultra coming out that will run @ 400/800 stock but there should be no reason for me to ditch this Leadtek A310 since I'm getting 375/925 on it! I just compared 3DMark 2k1 scores and I'm literally within a few hundred marks below alot of FX 5800 scores and beating Radeon 9500/9600 scores by a good margin. Check out my 14305 3DMark score @
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6561481
and my 3DMark 2k3 score was 3784 beating my old Ti4600 score of 1898.
Anyway I know this sounds crazy but trust me, if you are looking to buy a $200 card right now, either get the Leadtek WinFast A310 Ultra now from Newegg.com or just wait a bit for the revised 5600 Ultra. You will NOT be disappointed one bit! Id like to know what your ti4600 got in 3DMark01SE, cause the new one dont really mean jack to me.
OC Noob
06-01-03, 11:15 PM
Wow, it really is a nice card. Once the price drops a bit it might even be worth recomending.
I wish they would have compared AA quality tho. I'd like to make sure the blurry AA of the 5900 was just a bug before I recomend it to anyone.
ps to anyone who is looking stay away from the old version of the 5600 ultra. It has some of the same problems that the 5800 ultra had. Here is Anand's article on it:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1797
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