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Over the years i have had many computers from intel to amd... and i wanted to know what you ppl think which one is better... I first was with the intels... but later on i discovered the XP's for AMD were in great value and performed the same or better then most Intels. So let me hear what you have to say
Which is better?
The debates section of this forum has been closed.
Intel's new P4's 800mhz fsb with the new chipsets rock AMD's blind folded ;)
which means we have free rule to debate in other places
in the proper computer related cateogorys of corse....
what about my spelling i did that on purpos.:D
TC is right. I see nothing good coming out of this thread. Let it die.
lol... ijust wanted to add this here to get u "intellers" all angry... try stepping in the amd turf u will see what we will throw at u flamers :D:D:D:D:D
Originally posted by Finkle
lol... ijust wanted to add this here to get u "intellers" all angry... try stepping in the amd turf u will see what we will throw at u flamers :D:D:D
:rolleyes: http://home.attbi.com/~aznsniper/lamer.gif
Originally posted by Finkle
lol... ijust wanted to add this here to get u "intellers" all angry... try stepping in the amd turf u will see what we will throw at u flamers :D:D:D:D:D
i already did that. my amd rig i built got torched.
next?
Originally posted by Finkle
try stepping in the amd turf u will see what we will throw at u flamers :D:D:D:D:D Try throwing some stuff at forum members and you'll get thrown out yourself.
its always funny. the amd peeps that come over here. they are usually not even remotely familiar with what we are doing over here. however i am very aware of what is going on over there.
they come over here spouting whatever their latest wonder is and get shutdown by the upper crust intel guys.
oh and finkle... don't make me bust out links to threads where intel people have actually STEPPED into 'AMD turf'. it wasn't a pretty sight for amd fans.
most the time amders come here not knowing whats going on or they are joining the dark side :) many has came and not many or none has gone back. well atleast for their main rig that is. but i still wouldnt mine a xp1700 at 2.5ghz. that would be the rig i would build if i wanted a kick arse budget rig.
method().man
05-29-03, 10:06 PM
I think it has gotten to the point where this question is like asking, "which is better: a Ford or a Dodge pickup truck?" In the end, they're basically the same product with slight differences between the two. I would say in every measurable and important aspect, AMD and Intel are pretty much neck and neck save for a few minor differences - certainly nothing that would greatly affect your computing experience.
Mr. $T$
05-29-03, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Finkle
lol... ijust wanted to add this here to get u "intellers" all angry... try stepping in the amd turf u will see what we will throw at u flamers :D:D:D:D:D
http://64.246.20.166/images/smilies/leright.gif
Originally posted by method().man
I think it has gotten to the point where this question is like asking, "which is better: a Ford or a Dodge pickup truck?" In the end, they're basically the same product with slight differences between the two. I would say in every measurable and important aspect, AMD and Intel are pretty much neck and neck save for a few minor differences - certainly nothing that would greatly affect your computing experience.
i agree. its the fanboys i don't like. this guy didn't even know that his own beloved AMD didn't make palomino's any longer.....
dustybyrd
05-29-03, 10:41 PM
i bet that a cheaper AMD o/c'd dualie would be overall faster in real world apps...multitasking, games, etc...than a 3.5ghz hyperthreading p4....
check this seti benchmark out:
http://www.ocsetiteam.com/
the top machines are AMD, a 2.8ghz AMD tbird is faster than a 4.1ghz p4 hyperthreader...and this is before Barton...and seti loves memory bandwidth...
also for less money you get two REAL chips (not virtual hyperthreaders)...
i know the gaming would be better on the p4...but how much better? well the top 3dmark03 scores for the athlon are ~7500 and the top scores for the p4 are ~8000---what's that less than 7%
i think i'd rather a dual amd
Originally posted by dustybyrd
i bet that a cheaper AMD o/c'd dualie would be overall faster in real world apps...multitasking, games, etc...than a 3.5ghz hyperthreading p4....
check this seti benchmark out:
http://www.ocsetiteam.com/
the top machines are AMD, a 2.8ghz AMD tbird is faster than a 4.1ghz p4 hyperthreader...and this is before Barton...and seti loves memory bandwidth...
also for less money you get two REAL chips (not virtual hyperthreaders)...
i know the gaming would be better on the p4...but how much better? well the top 3dmark03 scores for the athlon are ~7500 and the top scores for the p4 are ~8000---what's that less than 7%
i think i'd rather a dual amd
how much cheaper are we talking here? I can show u my scores, will the dually keep up? and dont tell me we are only doing a folding contest either :)
last time i gave a AMDer a challenge he closed the thread, i hope u can back up ur dually.
love the challenge presented :rolleyes:
"hey were testing a drag dodge viper and a ferrari f1 car today to see which is a better car. we are only going to test 1/4 mile dragstrip times and that will decide it."
thats effectively what you are doing here with the seti test. everyone knows amd's fpu is alot better than intels. but overall the intel chip is faster and better just like the ferrari F1 car would be compared to the viper.
dustybyrd
05-29-03, 11:05 PM
how much cheaper are we talking here? I can show u my scores, will the dually keep up? and dont tell me we are only doing a folding contest either :)
last time i gave a AMDer a challenge he closed the thread, i hope u can back up ur dually. [/B]
1st...i'm not trying to start a war...and i am not berating the p4 800mhz chips...i think the 2.4c is the first great chip intel has had in a while....
...the cost of two barton amd XP's that can be modded to run dual is about the same as a 2.4c...and an MSI k7d mobo is about $180...not much more than the abit or asus....or you can get two amd 1700xp's for about $100 and then run them almost the same speed after changing the multipliers...
i don't have this AMD duallie to compare benchmarks(although i would love one)---i made a mistake putting the p3 tually dually together instead (it cost me about $100 more and it's not as fast)
but i would be curious too...
i think if you averaged all the benchies the 2.4c would be slightly better....
but i would say that a true dual system might be a lot more responsive when really pushing the system with many tasks...
obviously you haven't been paying attention to the intel forum.
the greatest chip intel has released in a long time was the 2.4b the 2.4c is only marginally better because of the fsb. the chip is actually identical (i think) to the 2.4b except it has a lower multiplier and HT is enabled. they are hitting the same speeds. 3.4-3.6ghz on air.
NookieN
05-29-03, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by dustybyrd
check this seti benchmark out:
SETI benchmarks are pretty academic. A P4 is 50% faster than an XP Mhz-for-Mhz at running Prime95 for a fistful of reasons, but most people could really care less.
Both AMD and Intel offer chips with outstanding performance. AMD has some great deals at the lower-end... but hey instant ramen has pretty good price/performance too and most people don't live off of that.
dustybyrd
05-29-03, 11:34 PM
obviously you haven't been paying attention to the intel forum.
the greatest chip intel has released in a long time was the 2.4b the 2.4c is only marginally better because of the fsb. the chip is actually identical (i think) to the 2.4b except it has a lower multiplier and HT is enabled. they are hitting the same speeds. 3.4-3.6ghz on air.
i have been paying attention...it's just that i like to multitask a lot...and i feel that the hyperthreading is a really nice feature (although i haven't used it yet) and that is what makes the 2.4c better than the 2.4b...
dustybyrd
05-29-03, 11:36 PM
but hey instant ramen has pretty good price/performance too and most people don't live off of that.
:D :D :D
Originally posted by dustybyrd
i have been paying attention...it's just that i like to multitask a lot...and i feel that the hyperthreading is a really nice feature (although i haven't used it yet) and that is what makes the 2.4c better than the 2.4b...
i agree but if you remember... an amazing fsb overclock before the 2.4b C1's was 175-180. right out of the box on air you could do 190-195 and sometimes even 200fsb with the 2.4b costa week 52 sl6rz's.
also.. i love the ramen comment. :)
Originally posted by dustybyrd
1st...i'm not trying to start a war...and i am not berating the p4 800mhz chips...i think the 2.4c is the first great chip intel has had in a while....
...the cost of two barton amd XP's that can be modded to run dual is about the same as a 2.4c...and an MSI k7d mobo is about $180...not much more than the abit or asus....or you can get two amd 1700xp's for about $100 and then run them almost the same speed after changing the multipliers...
i don't have this AMD duallie to compare benchmarks(although i would love one)---i made a mistake putting the p3 tually dually together instead (it cost me about $100 more and it's not as fast)
but i would be curious too...
i think if you averaged all the benchies the 2.4c would be slightly better....
but i would say that a true dual system might be a lot more responsive when really pushing the system with many tasks...
im not asking for a war just for people to back up their claims thats all. ive heard time after time u get this amd chip with this board for this price and it will beat this and that but when i ask for them to prove it they run off.
intel vs amd as we all know is beating a dead horse but the only reason its still discussed is cuzz of the fanboys supporting the underdog. now this is a good thing, without amd intel would still be asking for the insane prices for new chip as if the prices arnt bad enough.
A true dual cpu system will definitely outperform a P4 HT in many benchmarks - there's no question about that. Don't get too excited about the Seti benchmark though. I have a dual AMD system running my SetiQ server. It's two XP 1600's overclocked to 1900+ on an A7M266D. Just to give you some idea of how that performs with respect to Seti - the dual AMD system turns out 11 units per day average. My single 3.0C OC to 3500 does 18 per day average. In my book that's serious computational power out of one physical cpu.
Burning Phoenix
05-30-03, 12:00 AM
Is it me or does it seem everytime a thread pops up with this title that the first few posts are only by AMDers?
Originally posted by Burning Phoenix
Is it me or does it seem everytime a thread pops up with this title that the first few posts are only by AMDers?
yes ive notice that too. i guess its the AMDroid mind or something. they are like the borg, dont give up untill they get detached or somthing like unplugged from the matrix.
i remember when i use to be a AMDroid, boy did i say some dumb things. i guess i can see where they are comming from since i use to be a fanboy. I guess its that competitive attitude trying to keep the underdog alive.
BTW, i have no clue what i just said. :D
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 12:12 AM
you see, i've never even owned an AMD...but it just seems to me that if you actually got to use a dual AMD overclocked to 2.4ghz+ and a 2.4b @ 3.5ghz for a week each you would probably choose the dual AMD...
because i doubt you would notice the difference in raw speed...but you would notice the difference in multitasking...
now, i'm not sure about the 2.4c with hyperthreading...that might actually be comparable to a dual....
does anyone have both?
how much would it cost to make a dually at 2.4ghz amd? just chip and board and cooling
i would get the intel even if it did turn out to be slower.
one reason. stability.
intel doesn't make crappy chipsets. my BD7II is proof. this board (845E) is designed to run at 100mhz or 133mhz but i have it running right now at 195fsb completely stable. 200fsb is doable but not quite stable. mind you this is with stock cooling. just the hs on the northbridge and air cooling on the processor.
i can't even begin to count the massive numbers of amd board threads about how crappy the chipset is or problems with the board directly due to the chipset having a problem. you don't see intel board people getting excited over northbridge steppings do you? thats because its done right the very first time.
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 12:25 AM
how much would it cost to make a dually at 2.4ghz amd? just chip and board and cooling
board=180
cpus=88-180 (1700xp versus 2500barton)
cooling should be the same as p4...
are one of you rich guys thinking of putting one together and comparing it yourself?
cooling would be the same as the p4???
how can you say that?
cooling 1 processor is always cheaper than cooling 2.
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 12:28 AM
cooling would be the same as the p4???
how can you say that?
cooling 1 processor is always cheaper than cooling 2.
:p oh yeah, oops :p
add another 30
p4 2.4c 186.00
abit IC7 - 143.00
slk900U - 39.99 (svc sale)
92mm fan approx 10 dollars.
379.00
2x slk900U 80.00
2x same fan 20.00
2x xp1700 120.00
motherboard - 180.00
400.00
xp1700's that will do what you are wanting are 59.99 at svc.
change to 2500+ bartons and you are up to 186 for processors making your total for the amd setup 466.00
neither of which are cheaper than the intel setup. :-/
are u sure the xp1700 on dual will get 2.4ghz? it seems those chips on regular boards are hard enough to make 2.4ghz so is doing duall just as simple? or should i say hard.
Originally posted by AZN
are u sure the xp1700 on dual will get 2.4ghz? it seems those chips on regular boards are hard enough to make 2.4ghz so is doing duall just as simple? or should i say hard.
thats true. most duallies can't oc as well when locked together with 2 chips. individually those chips usually oc better.
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 12:45 AM
p4 2.4c 186.00
abit IC7 - 143.00
slk900U - 39.99 (svc sale)
92mm fan approx 10 dollars.
379.00
2x slk900U 80.00
2x same fan 20.00
2x xp1700 120.00
motherboard - 180.00
400.00
xp1700's that will do what you are wanting are 59.99 at svc.
change to 2500+ bartons and you are up to 186 for processors making your total for the amd setup 466.00
neither of which are cheaper than the intel setup. :-/
well..you can get the 1700's at newegg for $44 a piece and that means substract $30 for a new total of $369 or 10 bucks cheaper
now it's true that the bartons will cost $80 more...
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 12:46 AM
thats true. most duallies can't oc as well when locked together with 2 chips. individually those chips usually oc better.
yeah...you're right....but they probably will hit 2.2 ghz...
that's still pretty good and again, this is a dual...
Originally posted by dustybyrd
well..you can get the 1700's at newegg for $44 a piece and that means substract $30 for a new total of $369 or 10 bucks cheaper
now it's true that the bartons will cost $80 more...
sure you can go for the cheap ones but you said you wanted 2.4ghz 1700+'s.. which means you buy the good codes. which are 60 a piece. don't toy with the prices just to have them come out in your favor. you wouldn't buy those if you wanted to get the 2.4ghz now would you? ;)
Originally posted by Maxvla
you run off?
nah he is still online give him a second to come up with something ;)
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 01:26 AM
sure you can go for the cheap ones but you said you wanted 2.4ghz 1700+'s.. which means you buy the good codes. which are 60 a piece. don't toy with the prices just to have them come out in your favor. you wouldn't buy those if you wanted to get the 2.4ghz now would you? ;)
yeah that might be true...but i would certainly try the cheap ones first and then if they're no good sell them on ebay....but my guess is they wouldn't be that much different...
in either case neither is likely to hit 2.4ghz...but probably 2.2ghz...
how will that feel in dual compared to a non-hyperthreading p4 3+ghz or a hyperthreading one?
Originally posted by dustybyrd
how will that feel in dual compared to a hyperthreading one?
that is the question. and it appears noone has the answer.
method().man
05-30-03, 01:53 AM
Oh boy, this is getting ugly ;)
kamilkluczewski
05-30-03, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by Maxvla
i would get the intel even if it did turn out to be slower.
one reason. stability.
intel doesn't make crappy chipsets. my BD7II is proof. this board (845E) is designed to run at 100mhz or 133mhz but i have it running right now at 195fsb completely stable. 200fsb is doable but not quite stable. mind you this is with stock cooling. just the hs on the northbridge and air cooling on the processor.
i can't even begin to count the massive numbers of amd board threads about how crappy the chipset is or problems with the board directly due to the chipset having a problem. you don't see intel board people getting excited over northbridge steppings do you? thats because its done right the very first time.
GOOD NIGHT AND AMEN you said it all!!!
Kam
Originally posted by method().man
Oh boy, this is getting ugly ;)
only for the amd'rs ;)
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 02:04 AM
there are lots of people over in the SMP section of the forums who would say that the k7d by MSI is a great board and has a great chipset...
i have no experience with it...but there can't be that many people that swear by it if it is that bad...
we have got to get someone (like you guys ;) ) to build an AMD duallie and compare how "it feels", etc...to the 2.4C @ 3.5ghz...
wanna donate some fundage? ;)
Rasputin'sLiver
05-30-03, 02:16 AM
i've run two amd duallies, one rig was a tyan with 2x 1600xps and the other was an asus with 2x1800xps.
both trailed my intel northwood rigs substantially in gaming, memory bandwidth and most importantly, stability. they would fold and run genome amazingly well if that's what matters to you. otherwise, they aren't worth the bother. amd fanboys, begone!
Faamecanic
05-30-03, 07:13 AM
I just upgraded from a XP 1700 system to a P4 system with i875 chipset. Back before Intel hit the 2.0+ ghz mark, I would argue that $ for performance, AMD kicked the snot out of intel.
But recently even the newest of AMD CPUs can barely touch a P4 2.4C and up. And to make it worse both VIA (especially VIA) and NVidia chipsets SUCK when it comes to managing memory bandwidth..... hence why I "Came to the darkside" :)
If AMD returns to be the performance vs. $$ champ...I will come back to AMD.... but for now Im a converted INTEL fanboy :)
Claude
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 10:31 AM
i've run two amd duallies, one rig was a tyan with 2x 1600xps and the other was an asus with 2x1800xps.
both trailed my intel northwood rigs substantially in gaming, memory bandwidth and most importantly, stability. they would fold and run genome amazingly well if that's what matters to you. otherwise, they aren't worth the bother. amd fanboys, begone!
1st, i'm definitely not an AMD fanboy...i've never even used one for more than 5 minutes...
2nd...for your duallie rigs...did you overclock either of them? i don't think tyan's can be overclocked...so what about the asus?
because if you didn't overclock the asus then 1.53 ghz on those 1800+'s is pretty slow...but add an additional 50% performance to that (raw speed and fsb increases) and how would it perform?
stability was worse....that's interesting....in what way was it worse?
i am really curious about all this...maybe i did the right thing building a dual p3 tualatin....
Originally posted by AZN
how much would it cost to make a dually at 2.4ghz amd? just chip and board and cooling It's not really possible because the best dual AMD board doesn't have multiplier control and won't go much higher than 155fsb. I know I've had 5 of the A7M266D's. It won't even run the 166fsb chips at default - I learned the hard way when I tried to upgrade.
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 01:23 PM
It's not really possible because the best dual AMD board doesn't have multiplier control and won't go much higher than 155fsb. I know I've had 5 of the A7M266D's. It won't even run the 166fsb chips at default - I learned the hard way when I tried to upgrade.
i don't know if this one is the best but the MSI k7d HAS multiplier control...so you could run 15X150 or more? on that board...if the chips will take it...
and there's a guy in 2cpu forums who has that asus and he says he runs two 2100xp's at 164 fsb on that board...
timmyqwest
05-30-03, 01:40 PM
http://www.frontline-figures.com/crimeanb/light/pao9.gif
Well, Im maybe a wee bit late but I'll throw my opinion in anyway.
I am in the AMD camp. I have a duallie. Dual XP1700+s @ XP2100+. When I decided to go dual, AMD was cheapest. Intel Xeon boards cost a fortune. Intel Xeons cost a fortune.
As for prices, from komplett.co.uk:
AMD
£130 for two XP2400+s. <- 2GHz each
£175 for the K7D Master
-> £305
Intel Dual, similar spec
Cheapest board - £365
two Xeon 2.4Ghz CPUs - £380
-> £745
Hmm... the difference between the two? gigabit LAN. Difference in performance? Im sure the AMD will be damn close to the Intel
Intel - top of the range.
3GHz P4 - 800Mhz FSB - £362
Abit IC7-G - £165
-> £527
AMD is cheaper
Intel - 2.4GHz range
£136 to £159 depending on FSB.
Mobo £65 to £165 roughly
-> £201 - £324
Will not outperform the duallie in most things.
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 04:42 PM
Well, Im maybe a wee bit late but I'll throw my opinion in anyway.
I am in the AMD camp. I have a duallie. Dual XP1700+s @ XP2100+. When I decided to go dual, AMD was cheapest. Intel Xeon boards cost a fortune. Intel Xeons cost a fortune.
Will not outperform the duallie in most things.
what about your stability and post some benchmarks....
Originally posted by dustybyrd
what about your stability and post some benchmarks....
Since I upgraded my FaH cores to 1.48, rock solid. No crashes. Last reboot was when my little brother got near my PC.
As for benches, brb.
http://www.davidjnelson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/arith.jpg
http://www.davidjnelson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mm.jpg
http://www.davidjnelson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/mem.jpg
The only place where the AMD rig does not hold its own is in the memory bandwidth benchmark.
Remember SSE/SSE2 means little if the application doesnt take advantage of it.
david how much did it cost for the chips, board and cooling? ur sandra is very nice
dustybyrd
05-30-03, 08:04 PM
i agree...nice sandra's...my p3 @ 1.62ghz benches about the same as dual 1700's or about the same as a p4 3+ ghz hyperthreader....not quite as good as yours...
and although my duallie is DDR...my memory benchies are just over half as good as your's (because p3 can't take advantage of DDR i guess)...
also in this thread efini replies about whether he prefers his p4 3ghz or his dual AMD 2.2ghz...
http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=200301
he prefers the p4 (as it has RAID 0) although there isn't that much difference between the two...
Originally posted by Shook
Intel's new P4's 800mhz fsb with the new chipsets rock AMD's blind folded ;)
Sad but true...sad but true..:(
Originally posted by Silver
Sad but true...sad but true..:(
you said it silver.
I have never used anything but AMD chips ever since i got my first "compatible". I can now say, I am tired of having second best. In the day, it was hard to beat a AMD chip. How can AMD compete with a 800 FSB? It can't,plain and simple. I am jumping ship...
I won't miss it.
Originally posted by clash
I have never used anything but AMD chips ever since i got my first "compatible". I can now say, I am tired of having second best. In the day, it was hard to beat a AMD chip. How can AMD compete with a 800 FSB? It can't,plain and simple. I am jumping ship...
I won't miss it.
people started jumping ship when the northwood 1.6ghz came out, many have including myself and i dont hear to many people regreting it.
i jumped ship with the 1.6a northwood like azn said. definately no regrets on my end.
micamica1217
05-30-03, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by AZN
people started jumping ship when the northwood 1.6ghz came out, many have including myself and i dont hear to many people regreting it.
no regrets here, and I started out with a 1.6a too.
mica
Rasputin'sLiver
05-30-03, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by AZN
people started jumping ship when the northwood 1.6ghz came out, many have including myself and i dont hear to many people regreting it.
me too, or is it me three?
OC Noob
05-30-03, 09:55 PM
AMD is all about price baby.
They weren't worth using until nforce2 boards started getting the new NB revisions and they are still buggy, but the rig in my sig (#1) is just as stable and faster then #2 when it was my primary and at 3 ghz.
I think you guys are being a little hard on the beaver.
Intel has the performance crown for sure, but AMD is the king of bang per buck.
ps how about some intel benchies with the new 400 mhz Dual DDR and 800 mhz FSB. I've been out of it for a while and would love to see how they perform. Thanks!
Originally posted by OC Noob
AMD is all about price baby.
They weren't worth using until nforce2 boards started getting the new NB revisions and they are still buggy, but the rig in my sig (#1) is just as stable and faster then #2 when it was my primary and at 3 ghz.
I think you guys are being a little hard on the beaver.
Intel has the performance crown for sure, but AMD is the king of bang per buck.
ps how about some intel benchies with the new 400 mhz Dual DDR and 800 mhz FSB. I've been out of it for a while and would love to see how they perform. Thanks!
simple intel browsing would show u scores all over the place. but i got 6300 MBs with sandra.
how bout you find them. its not like they are hidden.
lemme help you:
www.anandtech.com
www.hardocp.com
www.tomshardware.com
etc, etc.
OC Noob
05-30-03, 10:11 PM
Its not like AMD benchies are hidden either and you guys keep asking for them so I just assumed it was okay to be lazy:p
OC Noob
05-30-03, 10:45 PM
Joking aside I was checking out anands site and found this:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1818&p=1
Pitting a 3 ghz C P4 (on an 875) and a 1.8 ghz Opteron (single processor) and the opteron get beat on Content Creation Winstone 2003 and almost all encoding & 3drendering test. The Opteron wins all the rests.
Check it out. Its a good read.
Rasputin'sLiver
05-30-03, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by dustybyrd
1st, i'm definitely not an AMD fanboy...i've never even used one for more than 5 minutes...
2nd...for your duallie rigs...did you overclock either of them? i don't think tyan's can be overclocked...so what about the asus?
because if you didn't overclock the asus then 1.53 ghz on those 1800+'s is pretty slow...but add an additional 50% performance to that (raw speed and fsb increases) and how would it perform?
stability was worse....that's interesting....in what way was it worse?
i am really curious about all this...maybe i did the right thing building a dual p3 tualatin....
tyan couldnt be overclocked so it didnt last long in my arsenal. sold it off after using it in the office for a while. the thrill was quickly gone, then i replaced it with the asus which lasted about 4 mos. until the 1.6a hit the scene. the asus had a glitch where you could only run the juice up on one cpu, which severely crippled the board's overclocking ability, although i did overclock it a bit. the benchies were very good in some areas, but not where it really counted. i got fair scores in 3dmark2001se that were quickly surpassed by the scores on my northie rig using the same video card. plus, the duallies were both prone to blue screens and random reboots, something i never experience with northwood rigs.
hey guys, intel is intel, im getting one of those 2.4c setups in a couple of months... its just that i needed the best bang for the buck when i bought this comp and amd has served me well.
and pls intel dudes dont be that cocky, not all us amders are lamers... intel has still a place in my heart :)
Originally posted by PhobMX
not all us amders are lamers...
yes but they are so few and far between.
Originally posted by Silver
Sad but true...sad but true..:(
what is this i see? is silver thinking of 800fsb too ;)
Originally posted by OC Noob
Joking aside I was checking out anands site and found this:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1818&p=1
Pitting a 3 ghz C P4 (on an 875) and a 1.8 ghz Opteron (single processor) and the opteron get beat on Content Creation Winstone 2003 and almost all encoding & 3drendering test. The Opteron wins all the rests.
Check it out. Its a good read.
That is wrong wrong wrong. They're comparing apples to oranges.. good read btw :)
dustybyrd
05-31-03, 05:19 AM
That is wrong wrong wrong. They're comparing apples to oranges.. good read btw :)
what do you mean?
that you can't make the comparison or that it is unfair because the opteron is for servers?
either way the comparison can be made...
Originally posted by dustybyrd
what do you mean?
that you can't make the comparison or that it is unfair because the opteron is for servers?
either way the comparison can be made...
Opteron is a 64bit chip, were the 3Ghz C is not. See, I'm not arguing whether this comparison can or can't be made, I'm just sayin' that it's _NOT_ the right comparison.. btw, does Itanium ring the bell? I'm even surprised why they didn't really compare it with a 3.06Ghz Xeon babe :D
Rasputin'sLiver
05-31-03, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by AZN
what is this i see? is silver thinking of 800fsb too ;)
OMFG! no knock on silver but i can only picture him in amd green, not intel blue...:eek:
Rasputin'sLiver
05-31-03, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by clash
I have never used anything but AMD chips ever since i got my first "compatible". I can now say, I am tired of having second best. In the day, it was hard to beat a AMD chip. How can AMD compete with a 800 FSB? It can't,plain and simple. I am jumping ship...
I won't miss it.
welcome to the darkside, clash! heh heh, our numbers are growing. reminds me of the great intel exodus to amd in 2001.... "the times they are a-changin....."
....If I can only have some spare time to build myself a new P4 :(
Originally posted by pacino
....If I can only have some spare time to build myself a new P4 :(
i doubt time is an issue. i c u have time to visit the forum so y cant u use that time to build a rig?
dustybyrd
05-31-03, 12:37 PM
Opteron is a 64bit chip, were the 3Ghz C is not. See, I'm not arguing whether this comparison can or can't be made, I'm just sayin' that it's _NOT_ the right comparison.. btw, does Itanium ring the bell? I'm even surprised why they didn't really compare it with a 3.06Ghz Xeon babe :D
i think if the price for the opterons is similar to the p4's then a comparison can be made...although i have heard that the opterons and the mobos for them will be expensive...
i'm guessing the opteron would be a "bit" better than the itanium...and i think comparison have been made to the Xeon and the opteron still wins? at least in 64 bit apps?
not sure...have to check on that one
Originally posted by AZN
i doubt time is an issue. i c u have time to visit the forum so y cant u use that time to build a rig?
From work :) .. I'm not allowed to bring my "OWN" stuff here :( plus .. I work 12hrs a day + being on call .. bleh .. and yes 6 days a week ..
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