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What's the best heatsink that's quiet that doesn't use screws to attach to the mobo? I know everyone likes the SLK series, but on my MSI K7N2G-L there are no screw holes...
legendary
06-05-03, 11:54 PM
The SLK-800 (http://www.thermalright.com/slk800.html) uses a clip to attach to the zif socket. This hsf along with a 80mm Panaflo L1A should keep your Barton cool while being quiet.
schismspeak
06-06-03, 12:17 AM
I would NOT get the slk800 if you plan on moving your pc, more than once a month, it can break the ziff socket if you do and every time you move it you may have to reseat it. So I recommend the thermalright AX-7 or the SK-7, you should still get great temps. all HS's are available @ www.svc.com .
For a fan I recommend the Panaflo H1A it is 32db but IMO it is not that loud at all, it is what I would call quiet, If if you want what I call silent get a Panaflo L1A, it wont perform as good and probably wouldnt perform that good on the SLK series because it only spins at 2200rpm or so and pushes very little air, so I would get the H1A no matter what HS you get.
All fans are available @ www.newegg.com
hmm, the slk 800 does have a clip...
however this box will be taken to more than a few lan parties, so i don't want to reseat the HS every time, and i don't want to break my ziff socket. SK7 would be adequate if i go with one of the Panaflos?
schismspeak
06-06-03, 12:38 AM
The H1A model probably not the L1A cause like I said it pushes very little air. I wouldnt pick the panaflo if you dont want to wire it yourself cause it comes with bare leads, I do recommend the this fan too though and it is adjustable, to meet your noise requirements. http://svc.com/convarspeedc.html
TerroH8er
06-06-03, 08:47 AM
An L1A and SK-7 would be more than adequate IMHO.. but it wouldn't be a great overclocking setup. Maybe to be safe an M1A would work.
wannaoc
06-06-03, 11:14 AM
Go with the Tt smart fan2, it works great at least on my slk-800a. It shouldn't be any different on others.
Get an AX-7.
Cheaper and better performance.
james.miller
06-06-03, 03:22 PM
lol. you say DONT get an slk-800 but get an sk-7 instead? they are nearly the same size and weight lol.
sk-7 - 486 grams
slk-800 - 505grams
nice and cheap - get a coolermaster x-dream. is alu and copper - so its nice and light - and it comes withing 2 degrees C of the swifty MCX462+ which is damn good for an aluminium cooler.
http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=416
other review are show it to come within 1 degree C of the sk-7. half the price, half the weight, same performance.
i cant come up with anything better.
I use an SK-7 and my computer gets a ride in my trunk 1-2 times a week. So far things have been fine.
watch now that I said that... the next time i transport the comp my cores gonna bust, ziff will rip out... heatsink will fall down onto my 9700pro causing it to snap and rip the AGP port out.
james.miller
06-06-03, 05:23 PM
well damn, that would be bad luck lol
RoadWarrior
06-06-03, 05:56 PM
I've got an AX7, seems secure enough, it's a 3 lug clip so no probs there, however if transporting it, I'd always make sure that the case was laid flat, mobo downwards, never with the AX7 upside down or hanging sideways when it might be bumped.
regards,
Road Warrior
adelphia83
06-06-03, 08:12 PM
I'd have to agree with James. Copper is rather heavy, and makes for a hefty heatsink when made of 100% of it.
An SK7 is comparable to an SLK800A, in terms of weight, cooling performance, etc (SLK800A is heavier but cools more efficiently, but they are close in both respects).
The coolermaster X-dream is aluminum with a copper contact, which makes for a light heatsink. There are other threads on this forum that mention this heatsink (and have reviews posted), you may want to look at those before making a purchase.
Bottom line-- The thermalright will offer better cooling, but is large and heavy, and also costs a lot more when you add the price of the fan. I have never seen any of the Thermalright's break the fan clips of a Socket 423 ZIF socket however. You'd have to be bumping the thing pretty hard to do that IMO.
The coolermaster heatsink is a mix between price and mass, obviously it doesn't cool as effective but is cheap and light to boot. Won't be an optimal overclocking setup, but will cool a moderately clocked Barton processor very well.
schismspeak
06-06-03, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by james.miller
lol. you say DONT get an slk-800 but get an sk-7 instead? they are nearly the same size and weight lol.
sk-7 - 486 grams
slk-800 - 505grams
nice and cheap - get a coolermaster x-dream. is alu and copper - so its nice and light - and it comes withing 2 degrees C of the swifty MCX462+ which is damn good for an aluminium cooler.
http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=416
other review are show it to come within 1 degree C of the sk-7. half the price, half the weight, same performance.
i cant come up with anything better.
Shoot i didnt think about the weight of it,:o :rolleyes: I guess it is all copper, lol, get the x-dream it is very good and comes with adjustable fan, that is what i would do if it was a lan rig, sorry bout misleading i dint think to look the weight up on the sk-7. Hope you didnt already order
schismspeak
06-06-03, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by adelphia83
I'd have to agree with James. Copper is rather heavy, and makes for a hefty heatsink when made of 100% of it.
An SK7 is comparable to an SLK800A, in terms of weight, cooling performance, etc (SLK800A is heavier but cools more efficiently, but they are close in both respects).
The coolermaster X-dream is aluminum with a copper contact, which makes for a light heatsink. There are other threads on this forum that mention this heatsink (and have reviews posted), you may want to look at those before making a purchase.
Bottom line-- The thermalright will offer better cooling, but is large and heavy, and also costs a lot more when you add the price of the fan. I have never seen any of the Thermalright's break the fan clips of a Socket 423 ZIF socket however. You'd have to be bumping the thing pretty hard to do that IMO.
The coolermaster heatsink is a mix between price and mass, obviously it doesn't cool as effective but is cheap and light to boot. Won't be an optimal overclocking setup, but will cool a moderately clocked Barton processor very well.
shoot, it would cool the proc in your setup, and basically any setup where the voltage isnt above 1.9.
adelphia83
06-07-03, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by schismspeak
shoot, it would cool the proc in your setup, and basically any setup where the voltage isnt above 1.9.
Would it? And you know from experience?
Judging from several reviews, the X-Dream is anywhere from 2-6C degrees difference than a Volcano 9.
That being said, the Volcano9 in my setup does NOT do an effective job at cooling my proc. I am limited in speed because of this. Running the V9 w/ Arctic silver III, using Prime95 for several hours (with the TTSF2 running full blast mind you), temps reach upwards of 60C, even at it's current setup (2315 mhz @ 1.80V)
Now tell me what happens when I crank the sucker up to 1.85V at 2400 speeds? Temps become too much to handle, and they would even for the X-Dream, assuming the worst case scenario of 6C difference between the V9.
I consider my processor as a "moderately" clocked Barton. A X-Dream would cool it effectively and nothing more. The CPU can go higher, but it's best where it's at until there is a better cooling solution. Someone buying a 2800+ or higher and attempting to overclock would have a seriously hard time using that Coolermaster HSF when overclocking.
schismspeak
06-07-03, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by james.miller
lol. you say DONT get an slk-800 but get an sk-7 instead? they are nearly the same size and weight lol.
sk-7 - 486 grams
slk-800 - 505grams
nice and cheap - get a coolermaster x-dream. is alu and copper - so its nice and light - and it comes withing 2 degrees C of the swifty MCX462+ which is damn good for an aluminium cooler.
http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=review&dId=416
other review are show it to come within 1 degree C of the sk-7. half the price, half the weight, same performance.
i cant come up with anything better. if it is within 1C of the sk-7 I think it would do 1.85v @ 2.4ghz fine might get to 52 load or so but for $14 it will work on that. look at oc.coms HSF ratings, the Thermaltake Volcano 9: gets 0.36 pretty bad. I also recommend the Vantec Aeroflow With TMD Fan:whcih gets a 0.30c/w and is really good, though i dont like the fan because it can have reliability problems.
also, adelphia83, you said your v9 hits full load @ 60C sometimes, if so then the x-dream would work @ 1.85v and 2.4ghz, the 0.5v and 80mhz more will make little difference, say your load is 63C (im giving leeway here, I doubt it would be that high, but then again the V9 is crap) at 1.85v-2.4ghz, the x-dream would be @57C worst ccase scenario, which is still better than you current setup temp at lower speed and voltage.
adelphia83
06-07-03, 06:31 AM
Better? Of course, I already mentioned that.
Ideal? I would think not. There are simply better alternatives with better cooling. On a higher clocked rig (and I'd say 1.8-1.85vcore is pretty lenient, it's easy to go higher), I think the CoolerMaster X-Dream doesn't quite cut it. Any temp above 50C-55C IMO is too high, especially considering some boards will read higher/lower than others.
But let me end this by saying: The CoolerMaster would work very well on most any chip, and leaves *some* room for overclocking. Veteran overclockers, or those wanting to crank up the heat at voltage, may want to choose another HSF, because I don't think 50-55C is an acceptable temp.
james.miller
06-07-03, 06:50 AM
so an sk-7 wouldnt cut it either. And for that matter, neither would a mcx-462+ since that performs only 1-2c better than the x-dream
Originally posted by IR1
I use an SK-7 and my computer gets a ride in my trunk 1-2 times a week. So far things have been fine.
watch now that I said that... the next time i transport the comp my cores gonna bust, ziff will rip out... heatsink will fall down onto my 9700pro causing it to snap and rip the AGP port out.
Ummmmmm, you transport your rig with it standing straight up? If you lay it on its side with motherboard side down, then you shouldnt have a single issue.
sorry for the jack, I just had to get that off my chest.
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