View Full Version : Thanks for all your help guys....TB 1200 @ 1467
Finally I got my OC project going. Started my computer after installing a blue core unlocked TB 1200, a watercooler set, 256 mb REV 2 Mushkin memory, a Blue Orb at the Northbridge and a better cooler at my ATI Radion 64. Started my computer up and it worked the first time at FSB 100. Tried the jumper at FSB 133 but no go at all!!! Maybe it's my Soundblaster Live Platinum or my modem card. Don't know yet! Will try to find out. I cannot adjust the AGP/PCI deviders in my BIOS, so I assume they are configuring automatically while switching to the FSB 133 jumper setting.
I had to proceed by means of the multiplier and increased FSB settings. Finally I got my system stable at 1467 mhz - 12.5 x 118 (WCPUID shows 12.5 x 117.41 = 1467.6 mhz) at temperatures around 43 C. Run several programs including Sisoft Sandra and the system is stable. Not a bad overclock I think.
I want to thank you all for the advice, hints and recommendations you have given to my questions or in general in this forum! Thanx!
Impressive CPU numbers, but no go at 133 at all? Try dropping the multiplier to 9 or 10. The higher busspeeds will ultimately make more of a difference than a few MHz on the CPU
Yo
I agree with YO. 11x133=1463 would be faster than your system. if it is stable is another question. good luck!
Well I know that an FSB > 133 will increase my system speed significantly, that's why I tried. I just tried this again. No boot at all!! Can't get the computer started up! I think it's my modem or Soundblaster card. Will try it again later with those cards out of the system
App (Mar 05, 2001 04:35 p.m.):
Well I know that an FSB > 133 will increase my system speed significantly, that's why I tried. I just tried this again. No boot at all!! Can't get the computer started up! I think it's my modem or Soundblaster card. Will try it again later with those cards out of the system
Yes take out as many cards s possible
Rocky55
03-05-01, 08:27 PM
what chipset does that board have? kt133, or kt133a? If its the first one that would explain why you can go higher on bus.
The MSI K7T Rurbo has the VIA KT 133A Chipset.
What is your voltage? I would take the cards out juice the processor and make sure those temps stay low. I wonder if daveB knows about this board. when does the 1/4 PCI come into play @120. I have a MSI board and I can go to 118 but I don't have the "A" chipset so I can't get it to 133. What multipliers have you tried with a 133 fsb? l8r
Well, I just took out the modem and soundcart (Soundblaster Live Platinum), cleared my CMOS, removed the jumper to set the board at an FSB of 133 and left the ATI Radeon 64 in only ...........No boot at all!!!!! It simply does not start up at an FSB of 133. I'm starting to believe that my TBird 1200 is not able to handle the 133.
Put the system back @ FSB 100 and I have 1482 mhz stable now (WCPUID shows 12.5 x 118.55). Cannot go higher because windows is reporting an error then.
I think I have to live with those results. Pity that I cannot go on the 133+ range.
The vcore voltage according Motherboard Monitor is 1.91 V. I have set it in the BIOS at 1.85 V
App this is the post I put in the motherboard section
trying to get 1.2 to go 133 with the KK266 board.
"To be fair, we've also had this problem with MSI's new K7T-Turbo R motherboard, which uses the same BIOS, but on the other hand, we haven't had this issue with Abit KT7A and Asus A7V133 boards using these same processors. "
let me know if you get there
sparks
seabhac
03-06-01, 10:09 AM
Yo (Mar 05, 2001 05:24 p.m.):
App (Mar 05, 2001 04:35 p.m.):
Well I know that an FSB > 133 will increase my system speed significantly, that's why I tried. I just tried this again. No boot at all!! Can't get the computer started up! I think it's my modem or Soundblaster card. Will try it again later with those cards out of the system
Yes take out as many cards s possible
Yo- You have your Iwill running 133 don't you?
App (Mar 06, 2001 09:29 a.m.):
Well, I just took out the modem and soundcart (Soundblaster Live Platinum), cleared my CMOS, removed the jumper to set the board at an FSB of 133 and left the ATI Radeon 64 in only ...........No boot at all!!!!! It simply does not start up at an FSB of 133. I'm starting to believe that my TBird 1200 is not able to handle the 133.
Put the system back @ FSB 100 and I have 1482 mhz stable now (WCPUID shows 12.5 x 118.55). Cannot go higher because windows is reporting an error then.
I think I have to live with those results. Pity that I cannot go on the 133+ range.
Reduce the multiplier first, and boot into windows at 100MHz with the smaller multiplier.
Then shut down and move the jumper to 133MHz.
If it does not works, try several lower values like 8, 8.5, and 9, each time first boot into windows at 100 MHz, before shutting down and moving the jumper.
Yo
seabhac (Mar 06, 2001 10:09 a.m.):
Yo (Mar 05, 2001 05:24 p.m.):
App (Mar 05, 2001 04:35 p.m.):
Well I know that an FSB > 133 will increase my system speed significantly, that's why I tried. I just tried this again. No boot at all!! Can't get the computer started up! I think it's my modem or Soundblaster card. Will try it again later with those cards out of the system
Yes look at my signature.
There were a few problems with some of the multipliers that would default back to 11 though. But I started using 9 which worked at 100 MHz as well as 133, and then lowered it to 8.5 and took the FSB to 157. This is a rev 1.1 board using original bios.
Yo
Yes take out as many cards s possible
Yo- You have your Iwill running 133 don't you?
[Reduce the multiplier first, and boot into windows at 100MHz with the smaller multiplier.
Then shut down and move the jumper to 133MHz.
If it does not works, try several lower values like 8, 8.5, and 9, each time first boot into windows at 100 MHz, before shutting down and moving the jumper.
Yo[/quote]
I did like you said. Brought the multiplier back at 9, 8.5, 8, 7.5 (started up at 100 FSB, but with the jumper removed to enable the 133 setting: nothing! No Boot!
You may need to give it some time to "Burn In" to get it up there too. What is your water cooling setup? Can you get your temps lwer with your setup?
I burned it in already somewhat with the burn in feature in Sisoft Sandra 2000. My watercooler setup: water reservoir 1/2 gallon, submersible pump (150 gph), waterblock on CPU, radiator with push and pull fan. This works fine.
It could be a problem with the devider. I don't know when the 133 FSB AGP/PCI devider starts working in the MSI BIOS. I heard that this devider on some other KT 133A motherboard starts working in the 133 mode at an FSB setting of 134. This is not adjustable on the MSI in the 100 jumper setting (you can go up till around 132 in this mode). After setting the jumper in 133 mode, FSB settings in the range 133 - 160 are available in the BIOS
athlon eater
03-10-01, 05:40 AM
sandra is a poor stability test, usually the last thing to crash,3d mark 2000 is a brutal test by comparrison.
also ALL peripherals should work fine at 133fsb. with water and fsb in increments of 1 at your disposal ,I would be pissed if I were you. Get a different board.What fsb is BigAir running at?
STOP<STOP!!Your problem is the MSI board I hope you have been readind the posts on the IWILL and MSI.That board will never post at the 133,no matter what you do.I had that board had serious problems then read a lot of tests that showed the IWILL and MSI
K7T-TURBO-R,will not post a 1.2 factory unlocked chip at the 133.I returned that board so fast the transistors slid all to the bottom.LOL You are one of many that have this problem,RMA that ****.
Liquid_N2
03-10-01, 08:15 AM
diehrd (Mar 10, 2001 06:05 a.m.):
STOP<STOP!!Your problem is the MSI board I hope you have been readind the posts on the IWILL and MSI.That board will never post at the 133,no matter what you do.I had that board had serious problems then read a lot of tests that showed the IWILL and MSI
K7T-TURBO-R,will not post a 1.2 factory unlocked chip at the 133.I returned that board so fast the transistors slid all to the bottom.LOL You are one of many that have this problem,RMA that ****.
I agree, lose that board. You will be better of with a nice Abit KT7A-raid or standard KT7A.
SH*T!!!!!!!, Sorry! But I was really impressed by the several 'good stabillity' reviews for this board. I looked at other forums like Anandtech too and I agree, I'm obviously not the only one suffering this problem with the MSI K7T Turbo/TB 1200 factory unlocked combo.
I've send an e-mail to MSI asking for a solution. The only reply I got from them so far was 'Are you trying to overclock your processor?' I replied to them 'of course' and that overclocking had nothing, really nothing to do with the issue I was addressing! (No boot up with TB 1200 at DEFAULT SETTINGS @ 133 FSB jumper mode). Have not received a reply to that yet.
Somebody else advised me to pencil trick all the L6 bridges. By doing so the CPU would show a multiplier of 11 instead of 12, during start up initiation, which should probably give a fair chance that the system would boot up (11 x 133 = 1463. I'm running the TB now at 12.5 x 118.55 = 1482 (WCPUID))
Don't know about that....maybe worth a try, but I will wait for the response from MSI first (hope I get one).
App (Mar 10, 2001 11:28 a.m.):
SH*T!!!!!!!, Sorry! But I was really impressed by the several 'good stabillity' reviews for this board. I looked at other forums like Anandtech too and I agree, I'm obviously not the only one suffering this problem with the MSI K7T Turbo/TB 1200 factory unlocked combo.
I've send an e-mail to MSI asking for a solution. The only reply I got from them so far was 'Are you trying to overclock your processor?' I replied to them 'of course' and that overclocking had nothing, really nothing to do with the issue I was addressing! (No boot up with TB 1200 at DEFAULT SETTINGS @ 133 FSB jumper mode). Have not received a reply to that yet.
Somebody else advised me to pencil trick all the L6 bridges. By doing so the CPU would show a multiplier of 11 instead of 12, during start up initiation, which should probably give a fair chance that the system would boot up (11 x 133 = 1463. I'm running the TB now at 12.5 x 118.55 = 1482 (WCPUID))
Don't know about that....maybe worth a try, but I will wait for the response from MSI first (hope I get one).
If you pencil the L6 bridges I would advise you to select a multiplier of 10 not 11. With 10x133 you would be at a sound 1330, which is more secure to boot, and you can then approach your maximum CPU speed by raising the FSB towards 146 and may be a little more - the result is - if your ram can handle it - a much faster system.
Good luck you certainly got a great cpu.
Yo
Rocky55
03-10-01, 09:16 PM
i wonder why you cant go over 133 bus, i can boot windows at 150bus but usually locks up, but stable at 146bus
I finally received a reply from MSI today. They wrote that they have identified the problem and that this was due to a wrong 'microcode' in the BIOS. They will fix the issue by means of a new BIOS update which will be released soon.
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