Problem w/ Duron, Asus A7V, pencil trick fade easily?

[Chicharon1]

has any1 oc a duron 700 w/ Asus A7V (w/o soundcard n w/ dip switches). I only got to 850 once n after that i always end up w/ blu screen. i only use d pencil trick. do u think i should go with circuit repairer (defogger repair kit)?

d circuit repairer i got is in japanese so i'm not sure if itz d defogger.. d pix show a person repairing the orange defogger lines in the car. itz color silver and looks like enamel paint =P did i buy the right stuff?

[sad_b0i]

chang the multiplier lock....make it higher...you should be hitting 1.0 ghz easily...also make sure you change the jumpers so that the multipliers can be changed manually and not set to automatic...because if it is set to automatic...its gonna stay at the default multiplier no matter what you do....

[Dark Druid]

What do you mean 1g easy? I have 2 systems w/Duron 700's

#1 is the ASUS A7V133
#2 is the MSI 133 PRO 2a

The Asus will do 858 w/133mem but will not reboot, I have to clear bios (via Insert key at boot) and reset. It will reboot at 800 w/133mem. Oh the settings are 8.0x100fsb133mem for the 800 and 8.5x100fsb133mem.

Now the MSI does 850 fine, and I have had it at 900 but was unstable (locks up)

The MSI runs cooler at the same settings. 850. The asus will be around 120f and the MSI will be around 105f in the same cases, same room.

So how do you suggest I hit 1g without water or pet?

Thanks

[Chicharon1]

ic... for most people how long do u need to wait before penciling again?

i already closed the L1 with pencil trick and it does work.. i reached a max of 850 and *poof* no more... i'm planning to try the rear defogger kit but what i have is a circuit repairer so i'm not sure if i have d right product... what i have is called circuit repairer. can anyone verifiy for me??

Dark Druid (Mar 09, 2001 10:00 a.m.):
What do you mean 1g easy? I have 2 systems w/Duron 700's

#1 is the ASUS A7V133
#2 is the MSI 133 PRO 2a

The Asus will do 858 w/133mem but will not reboot, I have to clear bios (via Insert key at boot) and reset. It will reboot at 800 w/133mem. Oh the settings are 8.0x100fsb133mem for the 800 and 8.5x100fsb133mem.

Now the MSI does 850 fine, and I have had it at 900 but was unstable (locks up)

The MSI runs cooler at the same settings. 850. The asus will be around 120f and the MSI will be around 105f in the same cases, same room.

So how do you suggest I hit 1g without water or pet?

Thanks

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[Wega!]

The pencil trick has lasted since December for me.....

[OpenFriday]

what pencils are you all using, some dont conduct very well where as the sanford eagle #2 HB conducts with 122 Ohms .

-OpenFriday

[Chicharon1]

the problem is that we only have 2 International pencil brands here... Staedler and Faber-Castell. =( i ended up using mechanical lead 0.3 HB of Staedler... has anyone used these 2 brands??

thankz for all the help!

OpenFriday (Mar 09, 2001 04:18 p.m.):
what pencils are you all using, some dont conduct very well where as the sanford eagle #2 HB conducts with 122 Ohms .

-OpenFriday

[OpenFriday]

do they come in nething else rather than HB?

heres a quote i stole from tips and techniques

"The more graphite that is introduced into the mixture the softer and blacker the pencil will become: this group ranges from B up to 6B; the latter degree has a far greater proportion of graphite to the clay and is much favoured by artists."

Can you get nething in a #1 pencil by any chance?

[proze]

hb should be fine. i did the trick in september last year and only redid it in february cos i wanted to.. it was still working fine. and since i redid, not a hitch. do i properly, and the pencil 'trick' will work fine. but it sounds like the defogger repair kit you have is fine, so why not try that?

[Monza]

u say ur using 133mem on ur asus, y not fsb at 133 bra? u'll go way up w/o multiplier work, even knock down the multi a half a clock. u'll be money.

good luck,

monza

tb800@1000
a7v133 (7.5x133)

[proze]

because he has an a7v, NOT an a7v133. do some more reading.

[Chicharon1]

yap i wish i had a A7V133 but itz not available in our local market and these asus boards cost a LEG! ouch =( if u were working at mcdonalds here, you have to work 40 days straight w/o spending your salary just to buy one board!

i'm gonna try the defogger kit later =P i'll inform u guyz if i failed again...

btw.. i have another question cauz this is my 2nd duron 700... the 1st died of no reason... i wanna know if the CPU core's edge chipped off (only a horizontal hairline chipped off) would it kill the chip immediately?? or did i do a bad defogger job and shorted the L1s?

Thankz you all ^__^
proze (Mar 10, 2001 05:01 p.m.):
because he has an a7v, NOT an a7v133. do some more reading.

[MiracleMan]

There's two ways to easily kill an proc: heat and voltage. If u are no sure about what do u did at your processor, it could mean YOU killed your chip... wadda shame! Hehehe, but I hope u best luck with the new one. Oh, and tell me about your voltages and temps...

[Chicharon1]

Mr. Miracle man, the highest voltage that i got was 1.8v and the highest temp is 58C room temp is around 30c (where in a tropical country!) I dont think itz with my 58C temp, cauz im sure someother ppl are doing even worse than me we cheaper coolin fans! Now i get temp of 45-47C after global win fan, 80cm fans.. the time that the processor never booted again was when i installed the global win and i scarred the processor.. i got tiny glass like fragments all over the thermal paste.. (the core was being chipping off by the super tight heatsink)

so im assuming itz either bec. i chipped the edges of the core or i did a poor defogger job...

P.S. i tried the defogger and guess waht i did a poor job and it wont overclock anymore.. will try to do it again next week when i have more time! =P

MiracleMan (Mar 10, 2001 09:39 p.m.):
There's two ways to easily kill an proc: heat and voltage. If u are no sure about what do u did at your processor, it could mean YOU killed your chip... wadda shame! Hehehe, but I hope u best luck with the new one. Oh, and tell me about your voltages and temps...

[gamba]

Hi, this is Gamba reporting.
actually Duron 600@960 1,6V 47-48ºC. Silver Orbital heatsink.
Mobo Asus A7V, Pencil Trick on L1´s with "Staedler" nº 1 pencil.
Everything working perfect.
Sandra and 3DMark2000 also running without problems.

Do you need more????
Very soon 1Ghz.

See you flying in the Sky.

[SickBoy]

I don't understand how a GHz should be "easy" with a Duron 700.... try try and try, I cant get mine past 954. Given, I dont have the best cooling(FOP32) or great memory(CAS2 PC100 stuff), but when I am trying it at 10x100 it shouldn't matter.... especially when my idle temps are at no more than 38 C, people are filling me with this BS like "you need better cooling." Well, when I can't get the frigging thing to post at anything past 988 or so, the problem is that I can't get enough voltage to the processor to do a GHz, NOT that the processor won't cool adequately. Don't fill people with this BS about a GHz being easy. The best I can figure it's very chip-dependent. I am not saying that I got a bad chip (a 250 MHz overclock is nothing to scoff at, thats a 36% overclock) but some chips will do greater speeds at lower voltages. If all boards supported up to a 2.0v vcore, yeah, I'd say most people are guaranteed a GHz with a Duron, but that situation doesn't exist. From my experience, yeah, cooling and crap makes a difference as far as stability goes (so it has its value) but when your computer can't friggin post or get into Windows it's a matter of not being able to get enough voltage to the processor. That's my spin on the whole Duron OC scheme.

SickBoy

[proze]

chiiiiiiiiiiillllll winstaaaaaaaaan! :) the 700s are known to be the worst overclockers of the duron family. the 600s go much higher... some bloke at ocuk (i think) has tested loads, and reckons that the 700s are the ugly ducklings of the lot. like the 850 tbirds. but you have a point... people shouldn't fill others with false hope, cos it just gets frustrating when they can't get what is reportedly "easy" or "a sure thing".

[FRANK]

The whole thing is crap shoot anyhow. I believe there's a reason why the 700 you got came rated as such, just others are rated were they are. AMD has sold millions of these chips and I'll bet that there are at least as many unsuccessful stories as there are successful ones.
If you've tried all the accepted methods and think that you've hit the ceiling with that chip and want more, then you'll have to do what most of us have done. Buy another one, they're dirt cheap now.
As far as success goes, my experiences have been;

DURON 600 @ 1050 will POST and run @1100 but not stable
DURON 600 @ 981
BLUE CORE T-BIRD 750 @ 850 (not what everyone says it'll do!)

Keep trying and Good Luck!

[Dark Druid]

Ok. I have done quite alot of work tring to overclock the Asus.. here are the results.

Multi - 5.5x
FSB - 123 (676mhz) Worked
FSB - 124 (686mhz) Worked
FSB - 125 (678mhz) Frooze at mem count (dont ask me about the mhz, thats what cmos posted at)
FSB - 133 (731mhz) Wont boot

Multi - 6.0x
FSB - 124 (744mhz) MS Registery Saver (Blue screen in dos)
FSB - 120 (720mhz) Alert box in windows MS Reg Check, after shot down would not come up
FSB - 115 (690mhz) Worked

And a hole lot more.. if you want I can email you an Excel spread sheet where I have been keeping records of all settings and results... so far the best one is 8.5x 100fsb 133memory yeilds 850mhz but will not reboot. But the best allowing me to reboot (75% of the time) is 8.0x 104fsb, 137memory. yeilding 832mhz, and quite the big boost in ram preformance, a 530/597 in sandra.

Thanks for any other input.



Monza (Mar 10, 2001 09:43 a.m.):
u say ur using 133mem on ur asus, y not fsb at 133 bra? u'll go way up w/o multiplier work, even knock down the multi a half a clock. u'll be money.

good luck,

monza

tb800@1000
a7v133 (7.5x133)

[Chicharon1]

wow!! thatz cool!! can i have a copy? hehehe just jokin... btw... i've changed to a 300w ATX tower casing and put lotza cooling.. im already at 800 but the asus probe is already registering a 51C temp.. i have a Gorb hehehe... cant believe i can find those things here...

should i buy a new Duron 800? are they easier to overclock than Duron 700?? i just wanna go to 1gig!!

Malvz

Dark Druid (Mar 13, 2001 07:48 a.m.):
Ok. I have done quite alot of work tring to overclock the Asus.. here are the results.

Multi - 5.5x
FSB - 123 (676mhz) Worked
FSB - 124 (686mhz) Worked
FSB - 125 (678mhz) Frooze at mem count (dont ask me about the mhz, thats what cmos posted at)
FSB - 133 (731mhz) Wont boot

Multi - 6.0x
FSB - 124 (744mhz) MS Registery Saver (Blue screen in dos)
FSB - 120 (720mhz) Alert box in windows MS Reg Check, after shot down would not come up
FSB - 115 (690mhz) Worked

And a hole lot more.. if you want I can email you an Excel spread sheet where I have been keeping records of all settings and results... so far the best one is 8.5x 100fsb 133memory yeilds 850mhz but will not reboot. But the best allowing me to reboot (75% of the time) is 8.0x 104fsb, 137memory. yeilding 832mhz, and quite the big boost in ram preformance, a 530/597 in sandra.

Thanks for any other input.



Monza (Mar 10, 2001 09:43 a.m.):
u say ur using 133mem on ur asus, y not fsb at 133 bra? u'll go way up w/o multiplier work, even knock down the multi a half a clock. u'll be money.

good luck,

monza

tb800@1000
a7v133 (7.5x133)

[YardPig]

Duron 700 @ 978 Asus A7V
Duron 800 @ 1072 7.5x143 Asus A7V133

Yup, Duron 800 is a cakewalk to a gig. Thats with a coolermaster generic hsf. Temps stay safe. What a difference being able to jack the fsb up to the moon. I'm sure I could see 1100 with proper cooling.
I had two 700's, both would only see 978. Hmmm, maybe I should try it on the 133 MB.........

[Nagorak]

Dark Druid (Mar 09, 2001 10:00 a.m.):
What do you mean 1g easy? I have 2 systems w/Duron 700's

#1 is the ASUS A7V133
#2 is the MSI 133 PRO 2a

The Asus will do 858 w/133mem but will not reboot, I have to clear bios (via Insert key at boot) and reset. It will reboot at 800 w/133mem. Oh the settings are 8.0x100fsb133mem for the 800 and 8.5x100fsb133mem.

Now the MSI does 850 fine, and I have had it at 900 but was unstable (locks up)

The MSI runs cooler at the same settings. 850. The asus will be around 120f and the MSI will be around 105f in the same cases, same room.

So how do you suggest I hit 1g without water or pet?

Thanks

Fix this rebooting problem on the A7V and A7v133 by setting the CPU voltage to max via the jumpers on the board. The Vcore setting in BIOS doesn't seem to work well, and this, in my experience, is what causes the rebooting problems. Once you set the voltage via jumpers your board should reboot just fine.

[Nagorak]

I have several hairline horizontal edge chips on my processors and they all work fine. If you lose a corner then it is dead... I'd try removing the Defogger and seeing if the CPU will boot.

[Nagorak]

MiracleMan (Mar 10, 2001 09:39 p.m.):
There's two ways to easily kill an proc: heat and voltage. If u are no sure about what do u did at your processor, it could mean YOU killed your chip... wadda shame! Hehehe, but I hope u best luck with the new one. Oh, and tell me about your voltages and temps...

AMD processors almost always die from being crushed...I have personally heated my processor up extremely high without killing it (not on purpose, CPU fan came unplugged when I was messing around in the case). AMD chips really CAN take 90C of heat...so, basically, if you manage to kill one by overheating it you're going to have bigger problems (like the motherboard melting away).

Voltage is also limited to 1.85 on AMD motherboards, not enough to kill the chip.

The heatsink, on the other hand, that is a serial chip killer. I've had more than a few AMD chips assassinated by the heatsink "Too strong clip" syndicate.

[Chicharon1]

i completely AGREE with you!! i think my FOP32 killed the die of my Duron! i saw small glasslike things swimming around the thermal compound...

it was REALLY hard to install an FOP32! i got lotza scratches n ur so scared of crushing a new die!! thatz y i was very happy with my dual fan SuperMini Orb at least it wont kill any more AMDs!! even though after reading sum reviews saying that the dual fan Orb sucks =(

at least it wont kill any more AMDs like the FOP38 =P hehehe i'm tempted to get a new FOP38 but will i kill another AMD in the process =P

itz a good thing the shop agreed to replace the Duron (they didn't notice the chipped off edge =P )thatz y i dont wanna go back with another die cracked duron!!!

i have posted another topic but mybe u guys can help me here... i wanna go 1 gig.. my Duron 700 can only reach 850... to reach 1 gig should i buy a Duron 800 or a Tbird 750? we dont have Tbird 800s here =( is there a larger chance of a Duron 800 reaching 1gig?

thankz u all!!
Nagorak (Mar 17, 2001 09:05 p.m.):
MiracleMan (Mar 10, 2001 09:39 p.m.):
There's two ways to easily kill an proc: heat and voltage. If u are no sure about what do u did at your processor, it could mean YOU killed your chip... wadda shame! Hehehe, but I hope u best luck with the new one. Oh, and tell me about your voltages and temps...

AMD processors almost always die from being crushed...I have personally heated my processor up extremely high without killing it (not on purpose, CPU fan came unplugged when I was messing around in the case). AMD chips really CAN take 90C of heat...so, basically, if you manage to kill one by overheating it you're going to have bigger problems (like the motherboard melting away).

Voltage is also limited to 1.85 on AMD motherboards, not enough to kill the chip.

The heatsink, on the other hand, that is a serial chip killer. I've had more than a few AMD chips assassinated by the heatsink "Too strong clip" syndicate.

[Rob Cork]

The 800 ought to still be a pretty sure bet for a gig. I'd hesitate to say that it's certain for any duron though, as my week 25 duron 600 needed 2.2V to get to the gig, and it won't go any higher than that - I barely made it :-)