If it's not AMD or Intel.....

[Shadow ÒÓ]

this is the spot.

Cyrix, Motorola....ect

[Maxvla]

there are others?? :confused:

;)

[Dracknem]

I can see a lot of posts happening here. :P

[Skiing Squirrel]

The new G5 I think is made by IBM, and they are in apple. Are they really running at a true 1000fsb, or is it something like quadpumped...

[FunkDaMonkMan]

Originally posted by Skiing Squirrel
The new G5 I think is made by IBM, and they are in apple. Are they really running at a true 1000fsb, or is it something like quadpumped...

pssssssttt.... make a new thread... i'd like to know the answer to the question too....

[nihili]

This is also a good place for questions that aren't brand specific. For example, a discussion of CISC vs RISC.

[R4z0r4mu5 Pr|m3]

how bout the VIA cpus

[BigJk-47]

RISC is going to change everything :p

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by Skiing Squirrel
The new G5 I think is made by IBM, and they are in apple. Are they really running at a true 1000fsb, or is it something like quadpumped...

Thought they still used the motorola CPU's :confused:

[Aslan]

Nope, Apple dropped Motorola (or was it the other way around?), and Apple "jointly developed" (http://www.maccrazy.net/news.php?ID=419) the G5 CPU with IBM.

[kct2]

Cyrix, Motorola....ect

Cyrix! Cyrix is long gone.


Apple didn't completely ditch motorola, they still supply chips for the ibook and iMacs.

Also, isn't this an overclocking forum? Why would anyone be talking about motorla/ibm/apple here?

[NookieN]

The DEC Alpha was pretty bad ass... back in the day.


Originally posted by Skiing Squirrel
Are they really running at a true 1000fsb, or is it something like quadpumped...

According to the IBM specs for the PPC970 (what Apple calls the G5), the rated FSB speed is 450Mhz, and the effective transfer rate is 900Mhz. So that means they're double-pumping (like the EV6 used by the Alpha and the Athlon). I guess IBM must've bumped up the bus speed by 50Mhz because 1000Mhz is a more magical number than 900Mhz.

It should be noted that as far as the end user is concerned, there's no difference between a 1000Mhz bus that transfers data once per cycles and a 250Mhz bus that transfers data 4 times per cycle.

[cf79]

Anyone else running a Via C3 (usually comes on a itx board)? How high in temp can they go before they blow...?

[Molybdym]

Originally posted by NookieN
The DEC Alpha was pretty bad ass... back in the day.

*/remembers/*
That, my friend, is what I got my CSci degree on. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling using those, and the Sun Sparc's:)

[Super Nintendo]

I guess this is the spot for the MAC users to chat and ask questions. ;)

[pummer]

Originally posted by BigJk-47
RISC is going to change everything :p
:D i need to watch the movie hackers again

[NookieN]

Originally posted by Molybdym

That, my friend, is what I got my CSci degree on. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling using those, and the Sun Sparc's:)

Alphas were cool, but Suns I can do without. There's a Sun Ultra 10 in my cube right now that I'm using as a foot rest... and it's not particularly good even for that.

[james.miller]

Originally posted by cf79
Anyone else running a Via C3 (usually comes on a itx board)? How high in temp can they go before they blow...?

even with a stupidly small h/s my c3 o/c'd to 1.04ghz never hit 55c.

[Ducker]

Why not stay with AMD or Intel? They're the best. ;)

[modenaf1]

ok i post here for different cpu's? my motorola is currently o/ced via a bridge mod to 25 mhz. im whipping your cruddy little 3.0 MHZ intels and 2.2 Mhz Amd's like NO OTHER! what is this heatsink stuff yall are talking about? I never new fans had to be in computers, must be you crappy AMD and intel stuff.




j/k :D

i didnt even know motoralo made procs!!

[larva]

Originally posted by NookieN
It should be noted that as far as the end user is concerned, there's no difference between a 1000Mhz bus that transfers data once per cycles and a 250Mhz bus that transfers data 4 times per cycle.

Yes there is. The difference is latency. While the quad pumped 1000MHz bus may posses the bandwidth (actually nearly all the bandwidth, ~97-99%) of the true 1000MHz bus, it has the same latency behavior (actually sightly worse, but very close) as a single pumped 250MHz bus.

Since the latency in either case is still pretty good, it's not the end of the world. But there is no way to examine the exact impact on the end user, as the fact things like a 1000MHz single pumped bus is currently unworkable is the only reason the double and quad pump architectures were developed in the first place.

[Chris_F]

Don't forget the 8088's and the 8080's. And the good old Z-80s.

And possibly the best processor... the 4004s :p ;)

[NookieN]

Originally posted by larva
Yes there is. The difference is latency.

Yeah, that's why I said it doesn't much matter only as far as the end user is concerned. The latency on FSB transactions is usually pretty small compared to memory latency. I'd be surprised if it had more than a 1% impact on performance.

One thing I don't know off-hand is whether all 4 data packets in a quad-pumped design have to be latched in before the processor can use them. If they don't, then latency on the FSB should be a non-issue. If they do, then I guess you have a 3/4 of a bus clock penalty.

[DrSpanky]

RISC is going to change everything there even faster then the pentiums :P *chokes him self* such a bad film

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Aslan
Nope, Apple dropped Motorola (or was it the other way around?), and Apple "jointly developed" (http://www.maccrazy.net/news.php?ID=419) the G5 CPU with IBM.

Actually Motorola still makes CPU's for the G4 (which is still in production), and the CPU's for their laptops. Neither company dropped the other, Apple has contracts with both IBM and Motorola

[v8vega350]

does this mean that apple is now ibm compatable :) lol

[OC-Master]

Originally posted by Shadow ÒÓ
this is the spot.

Cyrix, Motorola....ect


CYRIX = VIA = C3 :D

Diffenately a CPU that made notice for a little while. World's first passive cooling CPU :D


OC-Master

[Evnas]

Originally posted by OC-Master
World's first passive cooling CPU :D


OC-Master

You mean worlds most RECENT passive cooling CPU ;) Its a FAR FAR cry from the first, heh

[four4875]

Originally posted by OC-Master

World's first passive cooling CPU :D


i recall my EPSON QZ-10 having a Z-80 2 mhz CPU that had no HS. the only fan in the comp was on the power supply's HS, so it wouldnt overheat.

[KLowD9x]

I want an Alpha! I remember getting a computer magazine in 94 (im pretty sure thats when) that had this huge advertisement for the Alpha 500MHZ server CPU. I was running a 486-SX (33MHZ 512KB cache!) at the time, and I was in awe of the size of that number! 500MHZ, I was drooling all over myself! Then I got a 500MHZ processor. It was an Intel Celeron. It sucked! haha

[WobbZ]

hotwire a nvidia videocard so it can somehow work as a CPU :D

Inbuilt ram too... :D

[egbert314]

Originally posted by KLowD9x
I want an Alpha! I remember getting a computer magazine in 94 (im pretty sure thats when) that had this huge advertisement for the Alpha 500MHZ server CPU. I was running a 486-SX (33MHZ 512KB cache!) at the time, and I was in awe of the size of that number! 500MHZ, I was drooling all over myself! Then I got a 500MHZ processor. It was an Intel Celeron. It sucked! haha

I had a similar experience. When I used to use a Pentium II (333 MHz), I saw an article about the Alpha 1.5 GHz CPU. I was ranting and raving how it was the best. Now, 1.5 GHz is just a normal CPU :D

[egbert314]

Originally posted by WobbZ
hotwire a nvidia videocard so it can somehow work as a CPU :D

Inbuilt ram too... :D

There are several technical difficulties with attempting that stunt. First off, the instruction sets are totally different. Secondly, the GPU specializes in processing graphics while a CPU is more of a jack-of-all-trades. But the built-in ram sounds great ;)

[TUK101]

Anybody here want to post the evolution of Intel? I have seen an evolution chart of all of thier cpu's before and it surprised me to see how many there actually where. The oldest that I have ever had in my possesion was a 386.

[OC-Master]

Originally posted by Evnas


You mean worlds most RECENT passive cooling CPU ;) Its a FAR FAR cry from the first, heh

Crappers, let me refrain my self,,, The world's first passive cooled CPU with full speed instructions included L2 cache and such. Also capable of GHz unlike other CPUs others talk about which are still far from the GHz mark :D


OC-Master

[Chris_F]

Anybody here want to post the evolution of Intel? I have seen an evolution chart of all of thier cpu's before and it surprised me to see how many there actually where. The oldest that I have ever had in my possesion was a 386.

Well off the top of my head:


Evolution of the Intel processor:


Intel 4004 4-bit

Intel 8080 8-bit

Intel 8088 8-bit 16-bit bus

Intel 80186 16-bit

Intel 80286 16-bit

Intel 80386 32-bit

Intel 80486 32-bit

Intel Pentium 32-bit

Intel Pentium Pro 32-bit

Intel Pentium II 32-bit

Intel Pentium III 32-bit

Intel Pentium 4 32-bit

Soon to be Prescott processor (Pentium 5)

[NookieN]

Here's more or less the same thing, but with a gripping tale for each:

http://www.intel.com/intel/intelis/museum/exhibits/hist_micro/hof/hof_main.htm

[FunkDaMonkMan]

Originally posted by NookieN
Here's more or less the same thing, but with a gripping tale for each:

http://www.intel.com/intel/intelis/museum/exhibits/hist_micro/hof/hof_main.htm


wow.. I like how you can see the transistors on each of the processors.

If you notice, the first processors looked unorganized, while the newer ones were segmented into blocks.

[gamefoo21]

my stupid c3 has a stupid lil "for protection reasons this model of cpu cannot go over 1 ghz the moment it does it triggers a 5 min debug mode which after 5 min causes the cpu to cease operation. anything over 1ghz is meant for testing purposes only." grrrrr damned via but heh i've booted it at 1.3ghz, with via's you ask whats a multiplier lock??

anyways when i get my st6 i am going to see if changing the voltage on it will override the stupid 5 min rule. yes i have had it lock up in the bios.

[Gnufsh]

Originally posted by OC-Master



CYRIX = VIA = C3 :D

Diffenately a CPU that made notice for a little while. World's first passive cooling CPU :D


OC-Master

Actually, i think that the C3 is based mostly on technology from centaur, another cpu company aquired by via.

[Cyberwiz01]

Originally posted by Chris_F
Don't forget the 8088's and the 8080's. And the good old Z-80s.

And possibly the best processor... the 4004s :p ;)

I thought this was a non intel thread?:eh?:

[Chris_F]

Originally posted by Cyberwiz01


I thought this was a non intel thread?:eh?:

I don't even think about those as being Intel. At least not the Intel we know today.

[dsmi]

I've actually got my 400mhz G4 overclocked to 500mhz, so yeah, some people do overclock macs.

[Cyberwiz01]

Originally posted by Chris_F


I don't even think about those as being Intel. At least not the Intel we know today.

true they are not like the intel chips today, but they are still Intel chips, even if by name only. But ok, i guess they would be slightly different than the x86 used in intel and amd chips now.

[Molybdym]

Originally posted by NookieN
Alphas were cool, but Suns I can do without. There's a Sun Ultra 10 in my cube right now that I'm using as a foot rest... and it's not particularly good even for that.

ROTFL I can see that:p. I like their colour scheme? Also they were the rigs in that dungeon that had the largest monitors, so I could sit a mile away to work. And I met a guy at a friend's wedding (ended up getting smashed b/c we knew no one else, Nerds UNITE!) who works for Sun @ Chicago, and he says they treat him pretty well. That matters for those of us in the corperate swing.

[Molybdym]

Originally posted by dsmi
I've actually got my 400mhz G4 overclocked to 500mhz, so yeah, some people do overclock macs.

How?
sorry for the length, but I'm pretty sure people want to know this

[dippy_skoodlez]

Originally posted by Molybdym


How?
sorry for the length, but I'm pretty sure people want to know this

Geez.. you act like mac are not overclockable... they have CPU's too lol :D

[Gnufsh]

You can overclock the imac with a litle soldering of resistors, some macs, you simply have to change jumpers. Then, I guess you could always do a "turbo-PLL" type mod...

[Molybdym]

Originally posted by dippy_skoodlez


Geez.. you act like mac are not overclockable... they have CPU's too lol :D

I've necer really delved into the world of the Mac. I've used them for projects and whatnot. But as far as hardware goes, I'm lost. I have pread other places of OC's but close to 100MHz.