Geforce 4 ti4200 64Mb 3D mark score normal?

[paulb263]

Hello, I recently purchased a Tornado Geforce 4 ti4200 64Mb (AGP 8x) graphics card. When I run 3D mark 2001 I get a score of 4595 , I was just wondering is this normal for this type of card, the system I am running is:-

Processor: Athlon 1.1Ghz
Motherboard: Jetway 663 AS Pro
Memory: 384Mb (pc 133)
Hard Drive: Maxtor 20Gb

Thanks for any advice.

[Skiing Squirrel]

I would think that is about right. I think the rest of your system is your bottleneck-especially the pc133 ram. But other than that, I think it is pretty normal. :)

[paulb263]

Right ok thanks, I am gonna of bulid a new system anyway when I get some money and put the new card in that. was thinkin of maybe an epox 8RDA+ motherboard, an Athlon throughbred 2400 XP processor and for the memory I was thinking of getting Corsair 512Mb DDR Pc2700. You rekon my card will sit nicely in this system?

Thanks for the advice.

[Steven4563]

get the abit nf7-s board and a 1700+ with some nice pc3200

and get it to at least 200fbs if your psu can handle it all :)

[maxima88]

I also suggest the Abit NF-7(S) and PC3200 or PC3500 RAM so you can run at FSB speeds from 200-230. That will really bring your 3dMark scores up.

[mtnbikerjerry]

That seems odd, he should be getting around 6000, even with pc 133 Ram. I was able to pulll it off at 7200 3DMARK2001 SE Marks with a Pentium 3 1GHZ and 512PC 133 C2. Update those drivers? Well my card was overclocked to 300mhz GPU, and 610mhz memory on a Leadtek A250 Ti 4200 64mb.

[Steven4563]

hes score is abit low lol my friend scores around that with

a athlon 850mhz
512meg pc133 ram
pny geforce4 mx440 64meg ddr

[glock19owner]

Originally posted by paulb263
Hello, I recently purchased a Tornado Geforce 4 ti4200 64Mb (AGP 8x) graphics card. When I run 3D mark 2001 I get a score of 4595 , I was just wondering is this normal for this type of card, the system I am running is:-

Processor: Athlon 1.1Ghz
Motherboard: Jetway 663 AS Pro
Memory: 384Mb (pc 133)
Hard Drive: Maxtor 20Gb

Thanks for any advice.

Did you run this test right after booting up...and did you defrag your HD and close all programs running in your tool bar also...these things will make a difference on the score...

[paulb263]

Thanks for the advice, I've tried a couple of things to see if I can get a better performance but still getting the same score, heres what I tried:

I formatted my HDD before installing the new card and then installed the latest NVIDIA detonator XP driver (44.03). Ive just ran the performance tune up wizard in sisoft sandra and it gave the following tips:

Tip2513: AGP Bus is unused or AGP card not fully AGP compatible

Tip 2525 : Current AGP data rate not optimal

I also tried to enable AGP fast write using powerstrip but I get a screen freeze on bootup so I had to disable it :-(

Any more advice would be greatly appreciated
thanks.

[glock19owner]

First of all...don't listen to Si Sandra on the tips...it has a tendincy to report things wrong with it...

Secondly...go DL riva tuner...

After DLing RT..uses these settings...

Settings Tab...

check "run when windows starts up"

Then go to Direct 3D...

settings:
Mipmapping = 3
Depth Buffering = disable W Buffer
Vsync = always off
Textures = Degree of Anisotrophy set to force level 0
Compatiblity = uncheck all the boxes
Antialiasing = uncheck box

Now go to the Open GL settings.

settings:
Vsync = always off
Rendering = degree of anisotrophy to level 1 (off)
Antialiasing - uncheck box

choice not to reboot...

start, run, msconfig, start up...turn off anything that is booting up that is not required for windows start up...hit apply...choice not to reboot...

defrag HD...reboot...

load up 3d mark 2001se...go to "selected test"...only have the 5 games test selected...hit ok...benchmark...

This should improve your score...

[Overclocker550]

somethings wrong with your system, I had 6850 marks on a stock ti500 and 950@1GHz tbird dude.........

[paulb263]

Hello, I downloaded Riva tuner and applied the tweaks suggested by glock19owner my 3D mark score is now up to 4665 which is still pretty low isnt it, dunno what else to try, any more suggestions
Thanks

[Overclocker550]

please publish it and link. you must have fsaa on somehow dude, even my mx440 gets me 8200 marks, that is sad

[ptwearnhardtfan]

Do you have 4x agp enabled.
I get about 5800 marks with mt Ti200 which isn't all that good. I think you should be significantly higher.

[paulb263]

I'm not sure if AGP 4x is enabled, I tried to enable it using powerstrip but I dont think it worked, here is my published score which is now down to 4397 !
3d mark published score (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6835987)

[Overclocker550]

wow man, first of all, why is your fsb 0MHz, 2nd of all, go select agp 4x in the bios, 3rd of all, use 40.72 drivers. You should be over 8k marks, I got 8300 on a bad ocing ti4200 and a 950@1GHz tbird dude.


1. raise the fsb
2. use 40.72 drivers
3. disable fsaa
4. use agp 4x from the bios

[paulb263]

Ok first of all I cant change the frequency of the front side bus, my bios version doesnt allow it. 2nd of all AGP 4x is already selected in the bios and 3rd of all fsaa is already disabled (what is fsaa anyway and how do you enable and disable it). I have a feeling my motherboard is not functioning correctly, I've tried everything suggested to no avail, looks like I'm just gonna have to build a new system and forget this one.

Thanks guys.

[paulb263]

A couple more things I wanna ask tho before i do abandon ship (sorry but these things are really buggin me :mad: )

1. In the device manager why does it report my graphics card to be on PCI bus 1?

2. In the system tweaks in riva tuner why does it say the AGP transfer rate is PCI?

3. In sisoft sandra why does it say that the AGP bus is unused and the AGP data rate is not optimal? (even tho the AGP rate has been set to 4X in bios?!?)

4. Why wont Riva tuner let me set the AGP data rate to 4X or enable AGP fast write (it reports AGP fastwrite to be off even tho it is enabled in bios?!?)

4. In the riva tuner graphics subsystem report in the northbridge information and display adapter information why does it say AGP status: disabled?

Dont know what else to do and all help on this is greatly appreciated

Thanks

[cack01]

Do you have the correct drivers installed for your motherboard. Anything that says the AGP is equaling the PCI bus is just non-sense. Of course that would explain why you have 1/2 the score you should be getting. Also Fast Writes is usually enabled in the bios.

I would double check to see if you have the latest bios, b/c it seems like something in the bios is off. Or windows is having problems optimizing things on the driver side.

Here is the driver area for your mobo. http://www.jetway.com.tw/evisn/download/driver/index-1.htm

[Overclocker550]

I think you need chipset drivers for your mobo dude

[michaelkahl]

I think your scores are normal for the system. 3kmark2k1 is a better judge of overall system performance, while 03 is all gpu. When I oc' my 2400 to 2.2 it'll run 3dmk03 all day long no prob, but try runnint 2k1 and it crashes on the first run through, usually at test number 4 nature. i've seen it true with my 8500 aiw and my 9800pro...so from what i've seen 2k1 is more system intensive and a better judge of overall stability

[cack01]

No those are low. I get 8200 on my system and I know I am not 2x as fast as him. Its gotta be drivers or bios.

[paulb263]

Ok thanks for the advice, I'm having some problems firstly how do you know what chipset drivers are installed and how do you uninstall them. I downloaded the new drivers and installed them but I dont think they installed properly cos nothing has changed.

I'm also having problems flashing my bios using awardflash, I downloaded the bios update and follwed the instructions given on the jetway site but it came up with an error saying the bios lock string didnt match or something?? are there any other programs for flashing the bios, have any of you guys done it?

Thanks

[repo man11]

If you are running Windows XP, the default Via drivers are pretty good. I wouldn't expect a huge change from updateing them.
It was more in the hope that something was really wrong with your driver installation. Basically with the 4 in 1's, you just double click and reboot. So my guess is you installed them correctly, and the new ones changed nothing because the old ones weren't actually the problem.

On the BIOS: there are 3 versions of your motherboard. You need to be completely sure of which version you have, and then be sure that you've got the correct .bin file for your motherboard. If you are sure that you have the correct file for the version that you have, and you still get the mis-match, it is possible that Jetway has the links mixed up.

[paulb263]

Ok thanks, I've done a bit of detective work on my motherboard, I know from the bios ID string that my board's chipset is the VIA VT8363 (KT-133) but i'm still not exactly sure if it is the 663as, 663as pro or the 663as ultra, anyone know how to find the exact board from the id string?

the main problem is there are 2 .bin files available for download from the jetway site, one for the 663as & 663as pro (663ASA15.BIN) boards and one for the 663as ultra (663AUA07.BIN). So if I flash the bios with one of those ive got a 50-50 chance of succeeding, dunno if its worth the risk.

Thanks

[Overclocker550]

I dont see why a bios flash would help, maybe your video card isnt working or is somehow the 64 bit, because one guy said theres a company that uses 64 bit ram on ti4200s, if yours is it, no wonder your performance has been halved. can you borrow another or any card and try?

[paulb263]

How can it not be working properly? if it wasnt then i wouldnt be able to see this would I? I'm pretty sure it is 128bit. If my AGP isnt running at 4X then there will be performance degradation wont they?

[TUK101]

If I was you I wouldnt get all worked up about 3dmark. How does your system perform in games? If you are really worried about your card, try it in another comp. Another thing to consider too, with that old of a board just because it says that it supports AGP 4X doesnt mean that it worked that way with old cards. I am telling you this from experience. I used to run an old SOYO socket 370 board that no matter what I did any benchmark programs reported AGP 2X even though I set it to 4X and fast writes in the bios. Get a newer board with some ddr memory and you should be hitting 10,000 plus 3dmarks.

[Overclocker550]

yea try that card in a fast system, if it cant break 10k then you got the 64 bit edition :(

[paulb263]

Ok thanks, I cant try the card in a better system as I dont have one yet, I'm in the process of ordering a new motherboard, chip and memory so I will let you know how it performs when I have built the new comp

[Damian]

64bit ti4200? You sure about that? Maybe you meant FX5200... some of those are sold as 64bit. I can't see how anything short of a major PCB redesign could make a ti4200 work with 64bit, and most no-brand cards just stick to the nvidia reference PCB.

[Mhypertext]

Originally posted by paulb263
A couple more things I wanna ask tho before i do abandon ship (sorry but these things are really buggin me :mad: )

1. In the device manager why does it report my graphics card to be on PCI bus 1?

2. In the system tweaks in riva tuner why does it say the AGP transfer rate is PCI?

3. In sisoft sandra why does it say that the AGP bus is unused and the AGP data rate is not optimal? (even tho the AGP rate has been set to 4X in bios?!?)

4. Why wont Riva tuner let me set the AGP data rate to 4X or enable AGP fast write (it reports AGP fastwrite to be off even tho it is enabled in bios?!?)

4. In the riva tuner graphics subsystem report in the northbridge information and display adapter information why does it say AGP status: disabled?

Dont know what else to do and all help on this is greatly appreciated

Thanks
he does not have his chipset drivers installed i had that same problem once

[paulb263]

he does not have his chipset drivers installed i had that same problem once
I installed the chipset drivers and it made no difference, do you have the same motherboard? which drivers did you install?

[G|-|oST]

Originally posted by Steven4563
get the abit nf7-s board and a 1700+ with some nice pc3200

and get it to at least 200fbs if your psu can handle it all :)

This is exactly the formula for success. I had scores similar to yours with my T-Bird 1.4 and Ti4200. After the CPU/mobo/RAM upgrades, 14850. I know its nothing compared to the higher end video card based systems, but still a huge _noticeable_ difference.