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Enyo
08-01-03, 05:05 PM
lightbulbs run at thousnands and thousands of centrgrade right.. so.. why don't we put your computers in an inert gas..

or is this just stupid..

Diggrr
08-01-03, 05:14 PM
The gas is in the lightbulb not for cooling, but to keep the filiament of tungsten from oxidising and depositing it's oxide on the glass (the gas displaces any oxygen in there). Well at least it slows it down, near the end of a bulb's life, the glass still gets darker.
The oxidation process also makes the filament smaller and smaller until it breaks and fails to conduct.
Tungsten is able to withstand that kind of heat all on it's own, the plastics and epoxies on your motherboard are not.

As a side note, halogen is used to make the oxide redeposite on the filament and leave the glass clean, one reason why the light is much brighter for longer.

Keep working at it!

Enyo
08-01-03, 06:44 PM
lol.. erm.. well what about compressed inert gas?

Ciffer
08-01-03, 11:00 PM
increasing pressure increases temp, your not going to beable to cool with inert gas unless you cool the gas

dreammmatt
08-03-03, 09:03 AM
heh - dont feel sad though, technically we do use gas to cool in extreme computers - phase-change cooling systems use the heat of vaporization and the heat of condensation from a refridgerant switching between gas and liquid state to cool.

four4875
08-03-03, 01:45 PM
well technically.. we all use gas to cool our comps. the air that is takin heta of the HS is a gas. and the air movin through the rad on water cooling is a gas. :)

Enyo
08-03-03, 03:22 PM
yeah!.. so .. we all gas cool!... (right now moslty in the bubbles in my wc system.. gah!)

r0ckstarbob
08-12-03, 02:52 PM
this isn't quite as silly as it may sound, though not exactly in the application you are thinking of specifically. i explored with this very idea extensively at one point, looking for alternate ways to combat condensation at polar temperatures (see -30C or so) when comuter cooling. if we understand that condensation ONLY occurs when warm air hits a cold surface (that happens to be below the dew point - whatever it happens to be at that moment depending on humidity) because the air has water already in it, two alternate ideas were put forth. one idea was to seal the computer in an air-tight enclosure (such as a freezer or whatnot) and displace the air inside it with an inert gas like argon which would (in theory) have no water in it. so by replacing the air with a substance that didn't hold as much water or which the dew point was a different thing all together due to the properties of argon, the end result would be, in effect, a complete lack of condensation and thus, ice. the idea was eventually rejected out of hand due to it being more complex and fiscally cumbersome to test and impliment then i was willing to commit myself to, though i believe my data to be accurate and the idea not without merit - albeit perhaps in another arena.

the other idea put forth was to build a dessicant scrubber using fans to force the air inside through <a href=http://www.drierite.com/>Drierite</a> or Silica Gel filters and thus remove the water from the air and drop the dewpoint to around -100F. so as long as we didn't drop the cooling below -100F (which would have been below the dew point) there wouldn't be any condensation. again the idea was to seal the computer in an airtight container (like a freezer for example), and then turn the scrubbers on for an hour or so to pre-dry the air, and then turn the freezer on, and then turn the computer on.

the idea works wonderfully, and is vastly easier to impliment than gas emersion. though i no longer cool my PC in this fashion (partly because i've become a Macintosh/Unix convert partly because the price of processors have absolutely plummeted making this kind of cooling for me too much of a hassle, and partly because i don't believe the solution to be very elegant or user friendly even though functional), i still keep a dessicant scrubber in both my fridge and freezer at home where i keep my food and so forth and have an ice free/moisture free refrigerator/freezer in my kitchen.

but back to your thread, at no point was gas considered as a cooling mechanism - i looked at is as strictly as a method for combating condensation.

anyhow, theres my 2 cents

peaz

Pikachu_Mommy
08-12-03, 04:42 PM
Gas! (yes..)
eww.. i thought you were talking about *f a r t*~ http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/fart.gif :D

Enyo
08-13-03, 01:31 PM
hah.. no.. but i like the sound of getting rid of the waterinside my case.. (using a fridge to watercool - so condenstation)

evowatercooling
08-13-03, 02:04 PM
If your are using a phase change system then what you can do is only have air come in at one point and cool the air as it is coming into the case. This works as a dehumidifier. You have to have a way to catch all the extra water though.