2100+ B Core VS. 2500+

CamH · Aug 7, 2003

Okay, guys. I'm ordering the parts to build some people computers tommorrow, and I think I'm gonna upgrade my computer with a new processor.

I'm going to be overclocking. I just can't decide between a 2500+ barton and a 2100+ b core. Which will do better? I've heard that they're both beasts, but I can't decide.

ogboot · Aug 7, 2003

this is my personal opinion, but i would prob go with the barton core. i have a 2500+ that runs great i am nowhere near it's limit yet, i think that the thoroughbred is peaking towards it's max capacity whereas the barton core may be engineered to be pushed harder being the next generation of core.

climbski · Aug 7, 2003

A good stepping 1700 dlt3c will beat the 2500 9 times out of 10 in overall MHZ and match generally in benchmarks. As will a good 2100 aiuhb. If you want to go Barton go 2800 and above to get a clear advantage.

CamH · Aug 7, 2003

Either one would be overclocked, however. Does the lower cache size hurt the tbreds that much?

climbski · Aug 7, 2003

About 100MHZ worth depends on the benchmark. But a good one (notice the caveat) can get about 100+ mhz more total OC. Unless you know what to look for and hanpick it the only place I know that guarantees the stepping is excaliberpc.com.

c627627 · Aug 7, 2003

Well, to answer your question, expect 2.3 from 2100+ if you're lucky.
(Need to list that heatsink in the sig, man. ; also, describing ram as "assorted" is less helpful than saying pc xxxx ram)

Barton may do a little better but it may come down to your other system specs as far as limitations go.

hehehe, climbski again with his :bday:

"Don't be a pu$$y, spend another $100 on the 2800+" :bday:

lol

CamH · Aug 7, 2003

I'm switching to phase change and upgrading to some high end mushkin memory soon.

c627627 · Aug 7, 2003

Best is twinmos/ch-5 winbond pc3200
http://www.memoryx.net/gn256pc3200.html
It will allow you to go to 220 FSB which is more important than MHz.

CamH · Aug 7, 2003

Oh, I forgot to mention: Currently, the computer is inside of a refridgerator, and it will be staying that way. CPU temp is fairly low (as far as Palominos go) 40C (it was mid 60's on plain ol' air).

ogboot · Aug 7, 2003

i decided to look into liquid cooling about 2 weeks ago when the AC went out in my apt and my room temp was 90 during the day. think i will go with a swiftech system

Tyranos · Aug 8, 2003

Well, I've found that many 2100+'s need a lot of vcore to overclock that high. The temperatures aren't usually as hot as you think though. I am at 1.93vcore with an slk800u and underload it only reaches about 42c. The only drawback to the correct stepping 2100+ is that since it sometimes needs such a high voltage, you will quickly find out of your PSU isn't up to the task.

c627627 · Aug 8, 2003

2100+ AIUHB 0248 MPMW
256MB Crucial PC2100 + 2x 256MB Kingston (Hynix chip) PC2100 @ 6 3 3 2
[152] FSB x 15 = 2280 MHz @ 1.8 Vcore with memory frequency at 100% [152] @ 2.77 Vdimm
37(min) C to 46(max) C Winter ; 42(min) C to 50(max) C Summer
Epox 8RDA+
Thermalright SK-7 with variable speed 80x25mm YS-Tech FD1281259B-2F
BFG GeForce4 Ti4200 8X 128MB; Antec SX-835II case ; 350W Antec SmartPower SL350

brennan77 · Aug 8, 2003

I just got a 2100 from newegg. I could get halfway through boot with 1.8v at 2310. I didn't want to feed any more voltage because of cooling issues right now. But things look promising. Still, that's a big jump in voltage for a CPU that takes 1.6 stock.

Gautam · Aug 8, 2003

For phase change, the 2500+ is pretty much a hands-down winner. You'll make around 2.8ghz with either, and the Barton's cache will give you a healthy boost.

ROMAD · Aug 8, 2003

OK, I've got one for you guys. I have the machine listed in my sig and I've been running that way since February. Here's my chip info:

XP2100+ AIUHB 0248MPMW

I want to replace the XP 1700+ in my burner with the XP2100+ and then buy a new Barton 2500+ for my main rig. Can this Barton be expected to reach anywhere near the 2.4+GHz I am getting right now with my 2100+?

If so, which steppings are the best? If not, what speed Barton should I be looking at?

Thx!

c627627 · Aug 8, 2003

My vote is you will not see significant improvements, Romad.

But 3 q 4 u:

1. Why 185 x 13, why not higher FSB with lower multiplier.

2. 1.95 V? That's a bit high for every day use, isn't it?

3. Is your memory frequency Auto or 100%?

_____________________
2100+ AIUHB 0248 MPMW
256MB Crucial PC2100 + 2x 256MB Kingston (Hynix chip) PC2100 @ 6 3 3 2
[152] FSB x 15 = 2280 MHz @ 1.8 Vcore with memory frequency at 100% [152] @ 2.77 Vdimm
37(min) C to 46(max) C Winter ; 42(min) C to 50(max) C Summer
Epox 8RDA+
Thermalright SK-7 with variable speed 80x25mm YS-Tech FD1281259B-2F
BFG GeForce4 Ti4200 8X 128MB; Antec SX-835II case ; 350W Antec SmartPower SL350

ROMAD · Aug 8, 2003

Well, my problem is, the mobo won't support much higher. I've pulled as high as 187 that's 99% stable, but some things did bomb. Memory is set to 100% and I have tried running at 120% off of a 166MHz FSB and that works fine, but I wanted higher FSB speed because of the bottleneck there. As for the voltage, I've been running that since February without a problem. I usually have temps between 45-53 and never any higher, so I don't see it being too big of an issue. So, the memory will do 200+, I know that, but the mobo (un-modded) will not go beyond a somewhat stable 187MHz FSB. If I even go to 188, I start having problems.

Tyranos · Aug 8, 2003

c627627 said:
2100+ AIUHB 0248 MPMW
256MB Crucial PC2100 + 2x 256MB Kingston (Hynix chip) PC2100 @ 6 3 3 2
[152] FSB x 15 = 2280 MHz @ 1.8 Vcore with memory frequency at 100% [152] @ 2.77 Vdimm
37(min) C to 46(max) C Winter ; 42(min) C to 50(max) C Summer
Epox 8RDA+
Thermalright SK-7 with variable speed 80x25mm YS-Tech FD1281259B-2F
BFG GeForce4 Ti4200 8X 128MB; Antec SX-835II case ; 350W Antec SmartPower SL350

Higher than that

c627627 · Aug 8, 2003

Romad, see my sig above, same mobo.

How about if you set Memory to Auto. I can do 208 FSB x 11 Prime95 24 hour stable with PC2100 on Auto.

Did you follow directions:
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_alumina_instructions.htm
http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique_instructions.htm

What brand of power supply?

EDIT: Memory timings + Vdimm?

c627627 · Aug 8, 2003

Tyranos raises a valid point.
If I can do 208 x 11 on PC2100 set to Auto.

Does that mean that Auto Mem Freq. isolates the memory to the point that 208 is my max FSB even if I put PC3200 in??

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