View Full Version : So sick of my SLOW 9700 Pro, Help?
So heres the deal, u may have heard it b4.
my 9700 pro is dirt ass SLOW, barely gets 10k in 3dmark, its sad
I cant even run UT2k3 at 1280x1024 with 2x AA and 4x ansio, it SUCKS.
I'm using the newest Omgea's, and my sig rig, ive tryed all the other drivers, even tryed fast writes, turning on or off.
My question is WHY, WHY must my card be so slow, and what in gods name can i do to fix it, ive tryed about everything, the onlyt hings i can think of now are flashing the bios on my mobo and my card (My mobo is flashed with a k7s5a Pro BIOS), and getting more ram for my system.....
HELP?! :mad:
Perhaps your AGP Texture acceleration isn't enabled, that could be holding you back quite a bit. Check your display tab in dxdiag and make sure it's enabled it. If it isn't post here and I'll give you instructions on enabling it if you can't simply press enable.
I LOVE YOU
TELL ME HOW PLEASE!!!!!!111
omfg, thank you!
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my 9700 pro is dirt ass SLOW, partly gets 10k in 3dmark, its sad
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wow...man i somehow do feel your pain, what i would do is (like always) phone up the ppl who sold you it and tell them. :)
That's surprising. Have you tried a clean install of windows? That's my only idea. sorry.
Originally posted by cursor
That's surprising. Have you tried a clean install of windows? That's my only idea. sorry.
Yeah, with 98, NT, 2000, and XP.
The AGP Texture is the thing, i need to no how to turn it on!
HAHAHA
http://www.computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/65919.html
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EDIT: click the Start button on the Windows taskbar, choose Run, and type dxdiag.exe in the Open box, then click OK.
(if you're not mentally challenged then you should find what you need after that ;) :) :p :cool: :D )
Its just greyed out, the agp textures acceleration...its not an option to click it, i thin kthats my problem, i need some other instructions....
/quote from me/
(if you're not mentally challenged then you should find what you need after that)
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i think i should consider what im saying because i could hurt someone's feelings. :/ :p
DID YOU NOT READ THIS:
http://www.computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/65919.html
Ya, i read it, then again, Nomed told me
"Perhaps your AGP Texture acceleration isn't enabled, that could be holding you back quite a bit."
And no, my AGP texture acceleration inst enabled, and im running at 2/3 as fast as i should be, at this speed i may as well have a geforce 4 ti 4200
:rolleyes:
Got anything constructive to post As3? If so, so post it.
ColtIce
08-12-03, 08:25 PM
display properties/settings/advanced/troubleshoot
can you move the slider?
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Got anything constructive to post As3? If so, so post it.
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were my previous posts not "constructive" enough for you? :p
I'm sorry to have attempted to help you, but don't worry it won't happen again. :p
(btw, if you say something smart-ass like...oh i dunno "good, because your help was no good anyways" then i would gladly refer you back to "don't worry it wont happen again."
cheers, and for all i care i really do hope you dont get better results from your 9700 neither do i hope you get your money back. :D :p
Not going to comment on any of AS3's posts, but does anyone know how to enable The texture thingy??
yes, go in to device manager and manually install the display drivers on both the primary and secondary card in there.
dont let it do it automatically, you want to manually click through the whole process, other wise it will just say you already have them installed. fixes this problem for me 100% of the time. if you need more help holla back
Originally posted by AS3
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Got anything constructive to post As3? If so, so post it.
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were my previous posts not "constructive" enough for you? :p
I'm sorry to have attempted to help you, but don't worry it won't happen again. :p
(btw, if you say something smart-ass like...oh i dunno "good, because your help was no good anyways" then i would gladly refer you back to "don't worry it wont happen again."
cheers, and for all i care i really do hope you dont get better results from your 9700 neither do i hope you get your money back. :D :p
AS3:
If you want to help, then help. You had a good idea, evidentally, but rather than explain it appropriately, you are abusing the questioner.
This kind of post helps no-one and destroys the sense of community in the forums. For shame. You owe Wraith an apology. If you don't want to help, or don't want to answer a follow, up question, just don't hit the "reply" button.
I had this problem... what I think fixed it was reinstalling DX9... I think. I was haivng some serious performance problems at the time.. so dang I wish I could remember exactly what I did. But its something with DX... try installing newest version.
I am not sure if this is the same problem as what have but this is what was wrong with mine.
I got a new HD and installed windows XP and then installed Omaga's drivers. This was the same time he just put out the new ones, so I had not used them before. I ran 3d2001 and shti when I saw how low my score was. After changed some setting I noticed that on the some of the demo's my FSP was just staying at 60. I had to run that program called Refresh Force and set my rate at 85. After that my score jumped to where it sould be. I dont know if its a problem with my XP or Omaga drivers, the last ver of the drivers worked good on my old HD. I have read a few post in here about the new drivers messing up people Refresh rates also.
Hmm, i will try re-installing the drivers manualy, if that doesnt work...i dont know what to do, but it has to be that AGP Texure acceleration, Cuz its never been off for me before, and its a waste of my money to keep this card is i can only run in 800x600 on this thing. I dont know if it matters, but its always been like this... no matter how many times i re-install windows/drivers.
Albuquerque
08-13-03, 01:26 PM
Download ATI's control panel, install and reboot. Under the display properties "Advanced" tab, there will be a tab for SmartGart. Adjust the slider on this pane to something other than "off" and you'll be doing better.
Nope, sisnt work, i reinstalled drivers, turned on the texutes thing, no pref increas, what the HELL, any otjher ideas> The smatgart thing makes no sense...
How about calling ATI tech support? I called them once years ago, and the phone bill was high (they're in Canada), but they knew what they were talking about!
Albuquerque
08-13-03, 04:45 PM
The smartgart thing makes no sense? Ok, listen and pay attention. Don't download the ATI drivers you need to download the ATI CONTROL PANEL. It's a different download, and it's NOT PART of the drivers.
When you install the ATI control panel, several new tabs will show up under your advanced display settings... One of them will be SmartGart. That SmartGart tab will have a slider for OFF, 1X, 2X, 4X, or maybe even 8X depending on your motherboard. Right now it's turned OFF, which is why your texture acceleration isn't working.
You need to turn it to ANYTHING other than OFF and it will suddenly start working better. Get it?
Sorry I took so long to reply but this is how you're most likely going to need to do it. ATI default drivers won't cut it in this situation you're going to need to head over to www.omegacorner.com and pick up his newest drivers. After installing and rebooting you're going to want to go into your advanced smartgart options. I tried doing this with the ATI control panel but it wouldn't save my freaking options so I just used omega drivers. Once your in the advanced smartgart options you will see two categorys, one for PCI and one for AGP if my hunch is right all the PCI options will be turned on and the AGP options will be set to off. You will want to reverse this so that both AGP options are on and both PCI options are off. Save these options and restart, go back into dxdiag and you should now be able to enable the AGP Texture Acceleration.
I personally received about a 3000 point increase with the combination of these drivers and the texture acceleration.
PreservedSwine
08-13-03, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Wraith
Its just greyed out, the agp textures acceleration...its not an option to click it, i thin kthats my problem, i need some other instructions....
Re-install your chipset drivers
If that doesn't work, then re-install DirectX.
Nothing wrong with your video drivers....
Here's a link that *might* be helpful (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33704356)
Well, Perversed swine, my AGP Status is at 4, so thanks for the help, but that was not the problem...
MY AGP Texture Acceleration is ON.
It has to be something else, im so sick of this, im about ready to go grab a TI4200, itll be faster than this thing for sure.
Any other ideas guys?
champdog
08-13-03, 07:33 PM
Your AGP setting for the 9700 should be set to 8X
Originally posted by champdog
Your AGP setting for the 9700 should be set to 8X
My Mobo only supports up to 4x, it shouldnt be a problem
yep my mobo is only agp 4X also and 8x agp is actually not a big improvemnet, its the smae as 4X in every game and benchmark done so far
Albuquerque
08-14-03, 12:03 AM
Then something is wrong with your card...
If the AGP slider is truly set to 4x and is not grayed out inside the SmartGart tab in your advanced display properties, then your card is busted somehow. If your chipset drivers were incorrectly installed, that tab would be fully grayed out and the slider would be permanently set to zero (ie, PCI66 mode without any AGP texturing or sideband addressing)
Thus, your chipset drivers are working, and your video drivers appear to be working. Send the card back.
I think it's just because the speed of the rest of your system maybe. You should reformat and install service pack/motherboard drivers/dx/video drivers/other drivers
El<(')>Maxi
08-14-03, 03:24 AM
I know that you have re-installed the drivers/OS Wraith, but what I would recommend is to try a clean driver install. Use a program like DriverCleaner. Be sure to follow the program execution instructions exactly.
The reason I am thinking this is that in your first post(s), you said that "texture acceleration" was not available. Then after playing around with drivers it was. So you may have several driver files running around.
Also, I would try just running the CAT driver without the control panel to begin with(after you run DriverCleaner).
But if you have installed the OS four times, then installed the video drivers, it may be a bad card after all.
allen337
08-14-03, 06:43 AM
im just wondering if you had another video card in there before your ati9700, if so you might want to boot into safe mode and make sure it removed the old card from device manager, if so i would remove the primary ati and secondary ati from device manager and then go to add/remove programs and remove omega drivers and everything to do with ati and start all over clean, while your in safe mode make sure you havent got two of anything in device manager, except steering for pci, that could make your video slow also. hope it helps. ALLEN
Hmm, i traded for this card, how would igo about sending it back if i got it in a trade on the OC forums? Its still covered by ATI, im sending this POS back. So ****ed :mad:
PreservedSwine
08-14-03, 04:16 PM
Your scores aren't that low, and could just be b/c of your mobo and RAM.
What do you get when running 2xfsaa and 4xfsaa?
Probly a good thing you returned it, i broke 10k with a ti4200 on a 1.6a @ 2.3
good luck with the new card :D
with AA and Ansio on full I get about 9k, is that Semi decent?
If you get that score with aa/af on full and you get what you said on performance settings than i would say it is just cause the rest of your system is so slow and the vid card is fine. Your rest of your system is a major bottleneck with that card and doing full aa/af test scoring that high shows that it's your system and not the card. Another way to confirm it is to run 3dmark03 and paying close attention to only your Nature score on 2k1.
PreservedSwine
08-15-03, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Wraith
with AA and Ansio on full I get about 9k, is that Semi decent?
Better than decent, I'd call it excellent:)
james.miller
08-15-03, 02:04 AM
id call that a little hard to believe.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6528790
6645 is all i got on a similar system with aa and AF.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6528570
10,628 without @ stock 9700np speeds,
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6528857
10,834 @ 340/280 core/ram.
PreservedSwine
08-15-03, 03:23 AM
what do you get in 3dM03?
3Dm01 is so system dependant, not a very good judge of GPU performance.
Try 3Dm03, and post your score:)
Hmmm, i thought I got 9k last time, it may have been 7k, those were th number floating aroudn in my head.
The 3dmark 2k1 nature test runs fine, the FPS maxes out around 130 FPS, not sure what teh average is tho, and the 3dmark 2.3 nature doenst go much above 32 FPS. Ill try benching again later today.
OK, i just got 7,581 in 2k1 with AA and Ansio all the way up, all settings to the max quality, is that what it should be?
james.miller
08-15-03, 10:01 AM
yeah, that seems more like it:) it sounds like its definatly not a problem with the card itself. mabey it's the motherboard drivers?
Originally posted by james.miller
yeah, that seems more like it:) it sounds like its definatly not a problem with the card itself. mabey it's the motherboard drivers?
So what your telling me is that thats a good score for this card....
Im using the newest SiS AGP Drivers for XP....
Are you sure thats what i should be getting? If so, hooked me up with cheepo's newest BIOS for the k7s5a, the only thing i havent tryd is a bios flash(Im currently using the newest k7s5a pro bios from honey x)
Cisco Kid
08-15-03, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by NoMeD
Sorry I took so long to reply but this is how you're most likely going to need to do it. ATI default drivers won't cut it in this situation you're going to need to head over to www.omegacorner.com and pick up his newest drivers. After installing and rebooting you're going to want to go into your advanced smartgart options. I tried doing this with the ATI control panel but it wouldn't save my freaking options so I just used omega drivers. Once your in the advanced smartgart options you will see two categorys, one for PCI and one for AGP if my hunch is right all the PCI options will be turned on and the AGP options will be set to off. You will want to reverse this so that both AGP options are on and both PCI options are off. Save these options and restart, go back into dxdiag and you should now be able to enable the AGP Texture Acceleration.
I personally received about a 3000 point increase with the combination of these drivers and the texture acceleration.
this is the exact problem I am experiencing. AGP acceleration is disabled for me in dxdiag.exe. I have checked smartgart with my ATI cat 3.6 and the setting is enabled yet in the dxdiag box it is shown as not enabled. I am gonna give a whirl to what you have suggested.
Cisco KId
Cisco Kid
08-15-03, 10:41 PM
well figured the enable texture compression thing out, that was the whole issue for me as well, and bam I gained close to 4K in 3D 01 scored closer to where I should be with my Barton 2500 at 2.1 and a gigo ram 16K+ now to overclock card and start tweaking
Thanks for this thread and to those who posted the answers
cisco kid
PreservedSwine
08-16-03, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Cisco Kid
well figured the enable texture compression thing out, that was the whole issue for me as well, and bam I gained close to 4K in 3D 01 scored clsoeer to where I should be with my Barton 2500 at 2.1 and a gigo ram 16K+ now to overclock card and start tweaking
Thanks for this thread and to those who posted the answers
cisco kid
Cisco, you and NoMeD ought to report this issue to the Catalyst driver team, sounds as though its reporducable and you have given a solution to the problem as well.
Glad to hear it solved:)
To bad thats not my problem...I enabled it, nothing still, UT 2k3 is laggy still, even with no AA.
Just wondering, is starting a game with 7 bots a good indication of what the lag will b e like in multiplay with 7 ppl?
any more ideas? Anyone?
What about the botmatch question?
Cisco Kid
08-20-03, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Wraith
any more ideas? Anyone?
What about the botmatch question?
Wraith,
I am not sure about the botmatch but I am hoping the below will help you solve the prob, it did for me
1) get "driver cleaner" search for it on google.
2) Uninstall your video card driver via control panel
3) Reboot in safe mode. When the system reboots it will detect a vga card, cancel any attempt to allow system to install native MS driver.
4) Use driver cleaner to delete all files associated to the ATI driver. Check to see if the previous video ATI folder is gone if not delete it and dump trash
5) reboot as normal install video card driver then reboot as normal and reinstall DX9.
I followed these steps, but I am unsure in #5 if I reinstalled DX 9 first then the video card driver or the way I explained above. Afterwards check via dxdiag.exe through "run" you should see the tab enabled. After you have installed the video card driver leave everything at default video card settings besides your resolution and refresh rate.
I was using ATI cat 3.6 when I had this problem, I decided to give the Omega driver a go , not sure if this was the issue as I was gonna try to replicate the whole problem and then install ATI Cat 3.6 instead of the Omega to see if it may be a driver issue of some sort.
Hope this helps you out
Cisco KId
Did you get ANY preformance increase? I sure as hell didnt, I think texture acceleration is for cards with 32 megs of RAM or less.
here's some questions:
what is your fsb speed? 3dmark LOVES high fsb speeds, and if you're using that pc2100, that'd explain that.
plus, your mobo ain't the best, so...
My FSB is at stock 266, my ram, the NEW stuff i got today, is pc2700. I Now have 1024 Megs of pc 2700 and it only gave me an extra 300 points in 3d mark.
It seems to me the last 2 time sive overcloked i get HDD corruption after a week ,even if its onyla 16 mhz increase :-(
PreservedSwine
08-21-03, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Wraith
My FSB is at stock 266, my ram, the NEW stuff i got today, is pc2700. I Now have 1024 Megs of pc 2700 and it only gave me an extra 300 points in 3d mark.
It seems to me the last 2 time sive overcloked i get HDD corruption after a week ,even if its onyla 16 mhz increase :-(
Did you up the FSB to 166 (333) w/ the new RAM? How about setting the timings to something more aggressive? Just popping in new RAM w/out tweaking it won't get you much....
no, the timings stay teh same, they wont go higher, and if i goto 166 on this mobo it OCes my processor, no multi contol :-( So im stuck at 133, im weary of OC's now since i keep getting HDD corruption.
For some reason, my smartgart options is different.
All I see is
"AGP Settings
set AGP speed 1x 2x 4x 8x Gurrent AGP Speed 4x
Fast Write: on/off Current Status Off"
There is nothing like what you guys mentioned. Any ideas?
In my dxdiag.exe, the AGP Texture Acceleration is always "Not Available".
I am stuck at a little below 18k in 3dmark2k1 with the system below.
Cisco Kid
08-25-03, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by Wraith
no, the timings stay teh same, they wont go higher, and if i goto 166 on this mobo it OCes my processor, no multi contol :-( So im stuck at 133, im weary of OC's now since i keep getting HDD corruption.
when you get the chance dump that mobo, if cost is an issue look for an Epox KT333 based 8K3A, excellent board and you can find em cheap now used, performance is not to far off nforce2 boards in most cases except the 220 fsb plus range, as the 8K3A is capable of getting close to 200 fsb with the right ram and components
cisco kid
wilhelm310
08-25-03, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by #18
For some reason, my smartgart options is different.
All I see is
"AGP Settings
set AGP speed 1x 2x 4x 8x Gurrent AGP Speed 4x
Fast Write: on/off Current Status Off"
There is nothing like what you guys mentioned. Any ideas?
In my dxdiag.exe, the AGP Texture Acceleration is always "Not Available".
I am stuck at a little below 18k in 3dmark2k1 with the system below.
I have the same problem we need some help hehe:D
james.miller
08-25-03, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Wraith
OK, i just got 7,581 in 2k1 with AA and Ansio all the way up, all settings to the max quality, is that what it should be?
Originally posted by james.miller
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6528790
6645 is all i got on a similar system with aa and AF.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6528570
10,628 without @ stock 9700np speeds,
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6528857
10,834 @ 340/280 core/ram.
Originally posted by Wraith
So what your telling me is that thats a good score for this card....
Im using the newest SiS AGP Drivers for XP....
Are you sure thats what i should be getting? If so, hooked me up with cheepo's newest BIOS for the k7s5a, the only thing i havent tryd is a bios flash(Im currently using the newest k7s5a pro bios from honey x)
sorry for the late reply but, yep, that score is bang on for that board pc.
As for the hdd corruption, that is most likely caused buy your pci speeds being over the limit. at 147mhz fsb, the k7s5a uses a 1/4 divider, meaning that the pci bus is running at 147/4 = 36.75mhz which is right on the recommend limit for pci devices - which include hard drives.
running at 166mhz would solve that, but to do that you need to boot at 133 and change it to 166 in windows. To do that, you need:
1) a board that will run at 166
2) a cpu that will run at 166 with any added voltage (unless you are prepared to change the defult voltage and/or multiplier)
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