why ppl buy a 2500+ if 1700 can oc more?

[heavy666]

Sorry everybody its probably the most stupid question ever but, I really dont know.
If I known that a 1700 DLT3C can get much more than my 2100, had got a 1700.


I see a lot of ppl here that will buy a baraton soon. I some ppl who will upgrade to a 1700 DLT3C to a baraton that will not go so far... plz tell me why....

[ninthebin]

my cache is bigger than yours :santa2:

well thats my vague answer - the XP2500 is a good enough overclocker IMO and I just liked the idea of having more cache (despite how little apparent performance impact it holds)

[SniperXX]

I'd say its the cache too.

[cherryp00t]

it can oc just as well.. it all depends on luck of the draw same goes iwht the 1700+

[heavy666]

ok. cache but what about the 1700+ users that buy a 2100+ the cache is the same isnt it?

I saw a lot of 2100+ users that get 2800 mhz a a lot of 1700+ that get 2900 to 3500 mhz... with the same mobo and the same mem, and sometimes with the same cooler.

[The Coolest]

I want to see someone who has hit 3500MHz.... Unless its like LN2 for a few minutes, and I bet not even stable at insane voltage.... I don't call that an overclcok

[CGR]

3500? on an XP1700?

I have NEVER seen that high on a XP1700.

Even with LN I doubt you could even get it that high.

[DManeKid]

Originally posted by heavy666
ok. cache but what about the 1700+ users that buy a 2100+ the cache is the same isnt it?

I saw a lot of 2100+ users that get 2800 mhz a a lot of 1700+ that get 2900 to 3500 mhz... with the same mobo and the same mem, and sometimes with the same cooler. O_O

i've never seen that....

[Shade00]

I think he must be referring to a PR rating or something. You can count on one hand how many times AMD systems have broken just 3ghz.

[boffin2163]

Also good stepping 1700's are getting very hard to come by

[dippy_skoodlez]

Originally posted by heavy666
Sorry everybody its probably the most stupid question ever but, I really dont know.
If I known that a 1700 DLT3C can get much more than my 2100, had got a 1700.


I see a lot of ppl here that will buy a baraton soon. I some ppl who will upgrade to a 1700 DLT3C to a baraton that will not go so far... plz tell me why....
The barton doing 2.2ghz is gonna do pretty much the same as a 1700+ at 2.5ghz... doesn't really matter much LOL... ;) just takes a bit more to get a 1700+ at 2.5ghz+

[G|-|oST]

I think the more exact number is a Barton core running at 2.38GHz is approximately equal to a T-Bred running at 2.5GHz. (This is based on some calculations by hitechjb1). If this is correct, then people can look at it in two ways.

1 - Get the 1700+ (good stepping) - its cheaper, AND gets you higher CPU speed as reported by WCPUID. Lets face it, higher numbers always look great, for both benchmarking, and bragging rights.

2 - Get the 2500+ (most recent steppings are good). Easy to get your hands on one, newer technology, double the L2 cache, plus easier to get to 2.38GHz then getting a 1700 to 2.5GHz.

[heavy666]

Originally posted by DManeKid
O_O

i've never seen that....

ok maybe its not that high but take a look at signatures on 2 ppl that posted here.
Shade00
Tbred-B 1700+ JIUHB DLT3C 0307 VMPW@ 2230


G|-|oST
Barton 2500+ [217 x 11] 2388 MHz 1.75V


58 mhz is not that much. but I see that the performace is probably much higher in 2500+.

I think I will buy a 1700+ with a good steping and sell my 2100+

[Col_Loki]

Ehhh the difference there is 158Mhz :) !!

Think the main reason people are getting bartons is that they are more lightly to get 2.4ghz - 2.5ghz (Tbred) performance from the chip, which is quite nice IMO. Ie a barton is far more lightly to hit 2.4ghz than a Tbred Xp1700+ hit 2.5ghz - but they will both perform around the same level.

From what ive seen lately the bartons are outclocking the Xp1700's , add that to the extra cache and its a great chip !!

[edit] PS where did you get the 3500mhz thing from ?? Now that would be a pretty fine chip :D

[q149]

Bartons are faster at the same speeds and they can OC just as well.

[heavy666]

Originally posted by Col_Loki
Ehhh the difference there is 158Mhz :) !!

Think the main reason people are getting bartons is that they are more lightly to get 2.4ghz - 2.5ghz (Tbred) performance from the chip, which is quite nice IMO. Ie a barton is far more lightly to hit 2.4ghz than a Tbred Xp1700+ hit 2.5ghz - but they will both perform around the same level.

From what ive seen lately the bartons are outclocking the Xp1700's , add that to the extra cache and its a great chip !!

[edit] PS where did you get the 3500mhz thing from ?? Now that would be a pretty fine chip :D

I dont math very well :)
I dont know english too.
ok I never sow a 1700+ at 3 ghz but I sow here someone one the extreme cooling forum with fsb 170 * 20 3400 mhz. I dont know why he put a low fsb on so high mult. maybe the ram


well I see that there is a difference between the cpus but someone here agree that theres isnt that much at neweeg a 1700+ is U$ 60,00,
and 112 a 2500+

[RobP4P]

Originally posted by heavy666
I some ppl who will upgrade to a 1700 DLT3C to a baraton that will not go so far... plz tell me why....

a little insurance...I'm guaranteed at LEAST 2500 with a barton

the cache is cool too I guess

[mata2974]

Also good stepping 1700's are getting very hard to come by just go to excaliberpc they have them.................

[treepop]

lets say you get the best of the best 1700+'s thats 2.5-2.6ghz on air......an equally good barton would hit 2.4.-2.5 gHz.......I actually used to own a barton and I personaly hit 2.4gHz with one.......I took it back because at the time it cost me $199 and the 1700+ was $70 so I opted fot the cheaper.....now that the barton is around $100 and the 1700+ is still $70 I would opt for a barton....due to the (maybe little) added performance....it's just worth the extra $30 to some people for a 3-5% boost....thats my best answer :D

[G|-|oST]

Treepop brings up a good point - take a look at the price differnce at the time of the purchase, and also availability. I got my 0310 WPMW 1700+ at the time when the 2500+ would cost me almost double, so that decision was easy for me.

Later, after I foolishly fried that 1700, and needed a replacement, the Barton cost me only a little more than a new 1700 would, plus it was available locally, so I didn't have to wait. So, again the choice was easy, 2500 it is.

One is not clearly superior to the other, they are both amazing little chips, but one may be better than the other in different situations.

[q149]

Actually last time i checkd Excaliberpc only has DUT3C 1700's now

[7keys]

What people seem to be saying is;

If you want more cash get the 1700+
But
If you want more cache get the 2400+

[TheGr8s1]

I have a co-worker who's debating whether to purchase a 2500 or 1700. I suggested the 1700 just because it's cheaper.

[treepop]

TheGr8s1

I have a co-worker who's debating whether to purchase a 2500 or 1700. I suggested the 1700 just because it's cheaper.

Actually there is a 2500+ at newegg for $85!

7keys


What people seem to be saying is;
If you want more cash get the 1700+
But
If you want more cache get the 2400+

think ya meant 2500+ ;)

[dippy_skoodlez]

Originally posted by treepop
TheGr8s1



Actually there is a 2500+ at newegg for $85!



Hmm.. wow.. an athlon 1700+ with an sk-7 and tornado would cost:
$60- wk310 golden core :D
$20 sk-7
$15 tornado
_____________
$95 :eh?:

[emericanchaos]

or you could take your barton money and get a AIUHB 2100 and run at 2.6

[altec]

I dont have a barton because when I bought my 1700, the barton was double the price. The 1700 I have hit 2.5Ghz on air, and when I switched over to watercooling, I hit 2.64Ghz easily. I have a good feeling I still have a little more headroom, so I think I will stick with this CPU until it dies...

[Posidon42]

I think I am being limited by my memory right now. I bought some Kingston HyperX 2700 and even though they sent me a dual channel kit (1 gig) it still isn't stable at anything over 180 bus. So my overclocking hasn't gotten me as high as some of yours has.

My 2500+ is running at 2.07Ghz (180x11.5) on my A7N8X deluxe. with a volcano 11, but my 1700+ is running at 2.05Ghz on my NF7 with STOCK COOLING FAN. I think if I bought a better fan for it, it would smoke the 2500+.

All I really want to do with these processors is use them for SETI 24/7, so which is better? I am getting ready to start my crunching farm so which one is better for my purposes? Is the extra cache that much more helpful?

Also, should I just sell this memory that I have right now and get some decent 3500? I was looking at that Geil Golden Dragon stuff and that is about the most beautiful memory I have ever seen. drool :p~~

[mata2974]

You Asus MB can also be a problem, its very limiting

[BigL]

Geil Golden Dragon isn't so hot, try some of their performance stuff (i.e. Ultra Platinium) although the PC4000 isn't so hot either!!! :)

+cache is much better for seti/flop calcs like that in media encoding, clock for clock bartons win every time!!

Perhaps you should wait and see what the new applebred cores perform like, they are cheaper and posibly just as good OC as both tbreds and bartons!!!!!! I can't wait!! :D :p :burn: