why ppl buy a 2500+ if 1700 can oc more?

heavy666 · Aug 21, 2003

Sorry everybody its probably the most stupid question ever but, I really dont know.
If I known that a 1700 DLT3C can get much more than my 2100, had got a 1700.

I see a lot of ppl here that will buy a baraton soon. I some ppl who will upgrade to a 1700 DLT3C to a baraton that will not go so far... plz tell me why....

ninthebin · Aug 21, 2003

my cache is bigger than yours :santa2:

well thats my vague answer - the XP2500 is a good enough overclocker IMO and I just liked the idea of having more cache (despite how little apparent performance impact it holds)

SniperXX · Aug 21, 2003

I'd say its the cache too.

cherryp00t · Aug 21, 2003

it can oc just as well.. it all depends on luck of the draw same goes iwht the 1700+

heavy666 · Aug 21, 2003

ok. cache but what about the 1700+ users that buy a 2100+ the cache is the same isnt it?

I saw a lot of 2100+ users that get 2800 mhz a a lot of 1700+ that get 2900 to 3500 mhz... with the same mobo and the same mem, and sometimes with the same cooler.

The Coolest · Aug 21, 2003

I want to see someone who has hit 3500MHz.... Unless its like LN2 for a few minutes, and I bet not even stable at insane voltage.... I don't call that an overclcok

CGR · Aug 21, 2003

3500? on an XP1700?

I have NEVER seen that high on a XP1700.

Even with LN I doubt you could even get it that high.

DManeKid · Aug 21, 2003

heavy666 said:
ok. cache but what about the 1700+ users that buy a 2100+ the cache is the same isnt it?

I saw a lot of 2100+ users that get 2800 mhz a a lot of 1700+ that get 2900 to 3500 mhz... with the same mobo and the same mem, and sometimes with the same cooler.

O_O

i've never seen that....

Shade00 · Aug 21, 2003

I think he must be referring to a PR rating or something. You can count on one hand how many times AMD systems have broken just 3ghz.

boffin2163 · Aug 21, 2003

Also good stepping 1700's are getting very hard to come by

dippy_skoodlez · Aug 21, 2003

heavy666 said:
Sorry everybody its probably the most stupid question ever but, I really dont know.
If I known that a 1700 DLT3C can get much more than my 2100, had got a 1700.

I see a lot of ppl here that will buy a baraton soon. I some ppl who will upgrade to a 1700 DLT3C to a baraton that will not go so far... plz tell me why....

The barton doing 2.2ghz is gonna do pretty much the same as a 1700+ at 2.5ghz... doesn't really matter much LOL...

just takes a bit more to get a 1700+ at 2.5ghz+

G|-|oST · Aug 22, 2003

I think the more exact number is a Barton core running at 2.38GHz is approximately equal to a T-Bred running at 2.5GHz. (This is based on some calculations by hitechjb1). If this is correct, then people can look at it in two ways.

1 - Get the 1700+ (good stepping) - its cheaper, AND gets you higher CPU speed as reported by WCPUID. Lets face it, higher numbers always look great, for both benchmarking, and bragging rights.

2 - Get the 2500+ (most recent steppings are good). Easy to get your hands on one, newer technology, double the L2 cache, plus easier to get to 2.38GHz then getting a 1700 to 2.5GHz.

heavy666 · Aug 22, 2003

DManeKid said:
O_O

i've never seen that....

ok maybe its not that high but take a look at signatures on 2 ppl that posted here.
Shade00
Tbred-B 1700+ JIUHB DLT3C 0307 VMPW@ 2230

G|-|oST
Barton 2500+ [217 x 11] 2388 MHz 1.75V

58 mhz is not that much. but I see that the performace is probably much higher in 2500+.

I think I will buy a 1700+ with a good steping and sell my 2100+

Col_Loki · Aug 22, 2003

Ehhh the difference there is 158Mhz

!!

Think the main reason people are getting bartons is that they are more lightly to get 2.4ghz - 2.5ghz (Tbred) performance from the chip, which is quite nice IMO. Ie a barton is far more lightly to hit 2.4ghz than a Tbred Xp1700+ hit 2.5ghz - but they will both perform around the same level.

From what ive seen lately the bartons are outclocking the Xp1700's , add that to the extra cache and its a great chip !!

[edit] PS where did you get the 3500mhz thing from ?? Now that would be a pretty fine chip

q149 · Aug 22, 2003

Bartons are faster at the same speeds and they can OC just as well.

heavy666 · Aug 23, 2003

Col_Loki said:
Ehhh the difference there is 158Mhz !!

Think the main reason people are getting bartons is that they are more lightly to get 2.4ghz - 2.5ghz (Tbred) performance from the chip, which is quite nice IMO. Ie a barton is far more lightly to hit 2.4ghz than a Tbred Xp1700+ hit 2.5ghz - but they will both perform around the same level.

From what ive seen lately the bartons are outclocking the Xp1700's , add that to the extra cache and its a great chip !!

[edit] PS where did you get the 3500mhz thing from ?? Now that would be a pretty fine chip

I dont math very well

I dont know english too.
ok I never sow a 1700+ at 3 ghz but I sow here someone one the extreme cooling forum with fsb 170 * 20 3400 mhz. I dont know why he put a low fsb on so high mult. maybe the ram

well I see that there is a difference between the cpus but someone here agree that theres isnt that much at neweeg a 1700+ is U$ 60,00,
and 112 a 2500+

RobP4P · Aug 23, 2003

heavy666 said:
I some ppl who will upgrade to a 1700 DLT3C to a baraton that will not go so far... plz tell me why....

a little insurance...I'm guaranteed at LEAST 2500 with a barton

the cache is cool too I guess

mata2974 · Aug 23, 2003

Also good stepping 1700's are getting very hard to come by

just go to excaliberpc they have them.................

treepop · Aug 23, 2003

lets say you get the best of the best 1700+'s thats 2.5-2.6ghz on air......an equally good barton would hit 2.4.-2.5 gHz.......I actually used to own a barton and I personaly hit 2.4gHz with one.......I took it back because at the time it cost me $199 and the 1700+ was $70 so I opted fot the cheaper.....now that the barton is around $100 and the 1700+ is still $70 I would opt for a barton....due to the (maybe little) added performance....it's just worth the extra $30 to some people for a 3-5% boost....thats my best answer

G|-|oST · Aug 23, 2003

Treepop brings up a good point - take a look at the price differnce at the time of the purchase, and also availability. I got my 0310 WPMW 1700+ at the time when the 2500+ would cost me almost double, so that decision was easy for me.

Later, after I foolishly fried that 1700, and needed a replacement, the Barton cost me only a little more than a new 1700 would, plus it was available locally, so I didn't have to wait. So, again the choice was easy, 2500 it is.

One is not clearly superior to the other, they are both amazing little chips, but one may be better than the other in different situations.

why ppl buy a 2500+ if 1700 can oc more?

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