folding ethics.

[emericanchaos]

alot of us have rules that we follow while folding. i'm not talking about borging with out people knowing. i mean some have certain rules for themselves on who they won't touch and why.

i was curious as to how many of you out there have a code you go by.

personally. i won't build a machine solely for folding. i'll borg any existing machine or create something out of spare parts but i won't order anything and create something solely for folding. in my opinion folding is for machines that are already in use.

i brought this up because i'm thinking about contradicting myself and building a 4 layer dualie farm.

[Deathknight]

Not sure how I see this having anything to do with ethics? Its not hurting (in fact it is helping) people to fold.I could see if there was some big prize at stake or something but in the end this is about helping a research project more than anything else.

[vonkaar]

I'm sorta confused too... how is folding a moral issue?

I have 2 PCs at home folding, but the other 28 are machines sitting at work 'benchmarking' =p.

[JetMech]

I have five machines here built to fold only, plus the main which folds on spare cycles. Stanford needs cpu cycles, I give them cycles. I won't fold without permission, but other than that I do whatever I can to get more cycles, be it building, borging, recruiting or whatever.

[cp]

I agree with the above.

What is wrong with building machines to fold? Are you a minimilist? Thats half the fun of building a machine, knowing it will join the "farm".




cp

[Tismedt]

I have to agree with everyone else. Folding is for a good cause. What better use of a rig then folding. I say go for it and build the farm. You will enjoy the process and who knows a cure may be around the corner.

[mdcomp]

If you have the time and money to afford a rig for folding only then why not do that. Personally, I don't have the money to have a folding only machine right now, but I used to and when I build computers for myself and my family I have folding in mind. Every computer I own has folding on it and always will. I will borg and recruit, whatever it takes. Its a great cause and I think rigs should be dedicated for just folding.

Matt

[Sterculus]

All of my farm rigs are built out of old parts, but I wouldn't be against building some rigs for folding only. I agree with everyone else: Stanford needs the cycles for a research project.

[Wedo]

:edit:

I rambled on about something that didn't matter. What does matter is that you fold how, when, where, and with what that makes you comfortable. There are several people who have it on one rig and that's all they'll ever do. I think that's just as admirable as guys like Plext or DGROMS.

Fold what you want. I put it on anything I can get my hands and made a decision a year ago that I wanted to build a farm so I did.

Do what you can afford, put up with (farms are little heaters and mine added $30 to my electric bill), and you'll be A-Ok with us.

Wedo

[epauls]

emericanchaos, where were you going with that? I'm not sure you clarified/specified your thought....

I fold because:
a) It's for a good cause - I work in healthcare so that's a plus:)
b) For some extremely demented reason I enjoy hanging with you all;)
c) Ok I admit it, I do luv competition.

No, I'm not gonna strip the bank accounts but hey, if you *can* do it, why not?

Ps. My rule #1, Don't break the law.
PPs. My rule #2 Don't hurt anyone, including yourself.

ok maybe those were in the wrong order.

[Xymurgy]

I have a couple old Dells. As far as I'm concerned, they can just fold 24/7. I can't overclock them, so they aren't much fun to play on. One is my ftp server, but I'm not public atm.

[Daemonfly]

i brought this up because i'm thinking about contradicting myself and building a 4 layer dualie farm.

I think it's just simply because it's a 4 layer dualie farm. !! =0P

[MrMarbles]

I think you guys are taking enericanchaos' post to be a some sort of ethical code on folding while it was merely his opinion.

There is nothing wrong with building a rig just for folding. Its your money, spend it as you wish. I, personally, doubt Ill ever do it simply because I think my money can be better spend elsewhere. That may seem selfish, but then again, if your sole motivation was to help humanity, building a folding rig is hardly the most efficient way to go about it. Again, this is my personal opinion. I think building a yatta is loads better than building a hot rod. I dont look down on people who do either. Its just not for me.

[vonkaar]

I justify it by thinking that MAYBE... just MAYBE, Stanford's research will pay out to provide for some type of cure... some small breakthrough... something to counteract the problems that their target ailments are causing. Maybe all the work we folders do will make some small difference in the world. My computers wouldn't be doing anything right now... they would simply sit at home wasting a lot of processing power. That processing power COULD be put to a better use...

Even if there is NO breakthrough or even minor impact to come out of this, at least we tried =p. We recognized a good idea, and helped it blossom. If the Stanford research falls flat on its face, at least team 32 can say that they honestly made an effort. For those of us that spend a few dollars MORE than other folders... that doesn't make us better nor does it make us unethical. It's simply that we had the means to provide more crunching power. Be it the competitive edge, or the honest desire to make a change, the means are justified.

[epauls]

Here! Here! Vonkaar!

Well said.
:beer: :beer:

[cp]

LOL!

Let's admit it to, most(not all) of us are guys, and we all know how competative men are.:p






cp

[vonkaar]

THERE ISN'T A COMPETITIVE BONE IN MY BODY! (http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224325)

How dare you insinuate!

[emericanchaos]

no guys i didn't mean there's something bad about folding. my issue is that there's alot of people that can't afford computers and i feel like an ass building top end machines to do nothing but sit in a closet crunching numbers.

as was said before i'm not bagging on anyone for doing it. i'm just saying that some people have a personal code as to how they attain points. i have nothing against the cause. i just don't feel right about building machines with xp1700's when alot of people are still using P3's.

[Wedo]

Originally posted by emericanchaos

i just don't feel right about building machines with xp1700's when alot of people are still using P3's.

1700's? I used 2100's and nik used 2400's. :D

"If you build it, they will fold"

Wedo

[epauls]

Originally posted by emericanchaos
. i just don't feel right about building machines with xp1700's when alot of people are still using P3's.

Alright. In order to ease your conscience just forward those 1700's over to me. Problem solved:D

[vonkaar]

Sort of like when you didn't finish your turnips as a 9 year-old and you mom tried to pull the "Starving children in Ethiopia would die for that turnip!" line on you?

Don't waste that xp2400! There is still some poor soul out there happily surfing the internet on his 486sx33 with a 9600 modem! Waste not, want not!

[nikhsub1]

Most of you that know me, know that I take folding very personally. My 2 year old has a protein disorder, nothing serious, she is happy, normal and healthy. Anyway, when I got the call from her doctor when she was 4 days old telling me that she had failed one of her newborn screening tests, I freaked. At that moment, I became a folding fanatic. If I could afford 1000 P4 3.2's I would buy them all JUST TO FOLD. It is not about points (although it is fun) it is about the research and I will do everything in my power to build, borg and recruit for the cause. The ONLY rule of mine is that I will NOT install FAH on a machine without permission, period.

[emericanchaos]

i guess my question is a bit off then. i remember someone saying that they wanted to do everything on their own before they borged anyone and i have a thing about recycling old machines instead of thinking they're obsolete because they don't show me things as fast as my up to date system does.

oh well in anycase i'm researching a dualie farm with 1700's because those are about the cheapest CPU i would want to use. one may be a 1900 though because i already have one of those. just have to find an affordable board.

if you figure about 1000PPW per layer times 4 layers. that's orange right there. plus my already 1400PPW. it's just the power:size ratio i'm looking for.

[tycanadian]

There's almost nothing wrong with folding! Even borging people's comps unknowingly is fine since they only reason they wouldn't fold is ignorance. It is not detrimental to their PC in any way.

[Is_907]

if the fact that someone can't afford a computer keeps you from building one then just go out and give away computers to poor people (=

seriously though, (and i'm hardly ever serious)
my grandmother died last year... we were very close... and it was due to rare disease called amyloidosis. it's along the lines of alzheimers and cancer (sort of a mixture, i guess) and as soon as I found out about F@H i started up and haven't stopped since... i grab all the mhz and ghz i can in the hopes that some other family doesn't have to lose a loved one to a terrible disease.

it doesn't bother me that I may build a system merely to fold not only because the cause is good but because it's my hard earned money and I have a right to do with it what i please. ;)

[JetMech]

The main reason that I build complete machines is that there is always the possibility that I might have to liquidate one of them and I can get more for a complete one than just parts and I can sell it faster. I'm close to making retirement decisions and I won't be able to move them farm. In two weeks aI can download this whole farm for a good chunck of change. It's like money in the bank. Meanwhile Stanford can do their thing to their hearts content. One thing is for sure. If I do get rid of them to make a move I'll be rebuilding as soon as possible.

[cp]

I too like complete machines. You can sell them if you need to, and I like being able to put them anywhere.





cp