New Kind of Water Block?

[comstate-1]

I had to do some test: I inserted paper, so wide so that it did not touch round rubbler cushion(4) around the AMD Atholen 2800-333mhz(fsb) and tightened all four bolts that came with the X-AUA AMD BLOCK from Xoxide.com; it did slide out the 3/8" paper that was on top of 5 tiny Resistors.
However, I feel tha heat generated by the Block and does resistors, at that close would heat up the resistors, even if they are spaced paper thin.

I was thinking perhaps, I could Lap 1/16"tin around it.

Mobo: ASUS A7N8X Deluxe:(

[cherryp00t]

maybe you should restate what you did cuz i have no clue =d

[vonkaar]

I'm equally confused

[nikhsub1]

That makes 3 of us!

[JFettig]

it sounds like he has an Aqua-X....... nuff said;)



um... resistors getting heated up? I dont think its that big of a deal...

Jon

[Xymurgy]

A visual aid is definitely required.

[fafnir]

whoa, there's definitely someone more stoned than i am


but i'll translate cause i think i'm just feeling em' vibes right

Originally posted by comstate-1

I stuck cardboard around my waterblock. Cardboard was too thick. but that doesn't mean anything because what i really wanna do is to mill the waterblock down thinner and maybe even mill gaps just about big enough for the resisters right around the die. btw, I've got a 2800+ barton on an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe...



catch me drift?

[rpckvv]

wha?

[camel]

pass that over here fafnir!
:beer:

[WejRepus]

fafnir- thanks for the translation

comstate- drugs are bad, mmm-kay?

[mata2974]

This post was originally in the CPU section and people there tried to help this dude but we all had problems understanding what he was explaining, I suggested he move here and apparently we did not bother to rephrase his english, I mean, what can we do?? http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2092663#post2092663

[rpckvv]

maybe post it in your mother tounge, so the idea is expressed. maybe someone here speaks whatever he does.

-peter

[fafnir]

i get it now... its not just drugs but BIG BAD DRUGS... man i thought i was bad when i was in high school skipping class to do coke but man this guy must be on some even harder ****...

but i get it now...

he's worried about the resisters around the amd core touching the waterblock... apparently really worried... someone plz draw a picture and explain to him that the resisters are NOT going to touch the waterblock because they are lower...

and also would someone care to explain that sticking cardboard in between the sink and the die is NOT healthy?


anyways...

[nikhsub1]

Alright guys, let's not razz him, let's wait til (if) he responds and see if we can figure out what he means.

[fafnir]

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http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail43.html


and besides, i'm pretty sure he's just a bit afraid of them resisters... cause i'm betting that if he can't explain it in both posts, unless he uses his native langauge, its not gonna be much better... so plz would someone draw a pic of them resisters from the side and explain that them resisters won't be as high as the core?

and also, i hope this guy isn't just laying down as3 like planting grass....

[Ravsitar]

It almost sounded like he wanted to mill the waterblock so that is had a diviot for the core. You know so that it touches it on the top and sides. In that case the waterblock might just touch the resistors.

[rpckvv]

the strongbad e-mail is funny as poop. havent seen that one yet, but fell over laughing

-peter

[comstate-1]

Sorry about my late reply..

When I mounted X-aqua waterblock on AMD 2800 BARTON with 333mhz (fsb) there is only 4 paper space inbetween the H2O block and the sorounding tiny Resistors- these resistors require space enough for Heat to dissipate.

I was thinking instead of the traditional Flat Head Water Block on the CPU, the Block should be Lap around the CPU, so that large space can have to release the heat from the resistors. Better the resistor(s) are kept cool the butter conductivity. The function of resistor is to limit current and return release Heat.
When the resistors are too close to something(H2O Block) will get more heat not only from the CPU but also from the Resistors.

The block, should have enough space, about the size of CPU core, not more.
It can angled, say 25 degree upward from the CPU core.
Then one can mount fan inbetween the Block and the resistors.

The Block can be H2O or Fan Block(heatsink).

What do you think?

[Stedeman]

Why not just add a pile of white goop (Dow grease) so the water block would do it for you if thats your worry?

[xboy]

DO NOT MOD THE CPU OR THE BLOCK !!!!! Just mount it!

[comstate-1]

I don,t think that would solve the problem in dissipating heat more efficently.
The heat in that area is produced from CPU and the Resistors.

[comstate-1]

I am going to lap it and see the temperature difference. I think I am right.
Resistor product Heat in exchange for limiting current to pass through.

[Stedeman]

heat is a by-product of a resistors design, and to be honest there should be no need to cool them down

[JFettig]

Those probably arent even resistors... they could be capasitors, inductors or many other surface mount components.
Just dont worry about it, its soo little heat it wouldnt make any difference.

Jon

[Miralcos]

Yea man, don't worry bout the heat from the resistors, it's not enough to change anything. If they are resistors, like jfettig sed....... :)

[rogerdugans]

Most of the heat produced by a processor is created within the core. The best way to cool any components mounted on the surface of the chip is to lower the core temp.

While I do (now) understand the idea- having the waterblock/heatsink contact surface be just big enough to cover the core and have more clearance over the rest of the chip to improve airflow.

That might be slightly beneficial (more airflow is always good) but improving the performance of the heatsink/waterblock would help MORE.

Think of it like this:

If you have two burners on a stove, one on and one off.
The burner that is OFF will get warm becasue the burner next to it is hot: you COULD cool the burner that is off down by putting a fan blowing over it; that would work.
OR you could turn the other burner off: that would work BETTER.

Again, the heat from a cpu is almost entirely inside the core: cooling THAT off is the best way to keep the entire chip cool.

[comstate-1]

rogerdugans, you seems pretty close to my idea;however, in this case more than two burner is burning, cpu,resistors, and 3 ics.
I measured the temperature of those resistors, it reached 126 degree f.
Increase in heat in the resistor or capacitor or ic will hinder perfermance dramatically.
New H2O Block should be 45 degree from the CPU Core edge all the way around or left 1" so that Air can be push in to Cool.:rolleyes:

[L337 M33P]

But you get a serious problem if you try to put the waterblock on the resistors/capacitors. (They ARE capacitors, intended for power rail decoupling and so shouldn't get hot) The highest bit on the capacitors are the solder connections around the side so the waterblock will short these out and bad things will happen to your motherboard, CPU or both. What was the CPU temperature when you measured the temperature of the resistors?

[humdinger]

If I read this right I think he means the components actually on the surface of the CPU chip? Surrounding the core? Not the great big capacitors on the motherboard?

[rogerdugans]

The idea he is talking about is NOT to put the water block in contact with components on the face of the chip but to INCREASE the clearance between the chip substrate and block allowing better airflow.
leet mspaint skills:
.http://www.getgood.com/DFGNet/Pictures/modblock.bmp
I still think it will have a minimal noticeable impact, but I have been wrong many, MANY times in my life- this could be another one of those times:D

I say try it and see, if you have a block with enough material to do it.
Experimentation and new ideas are GOOD

[james.miller]

Originally posted by comstate-1
rogerdugans, you seems pretty close to my idea;however, in this case more than two burner is burning, cpu,resistors, and 3 ics.
I measured the temperature of those resistors, it reached 126 degree f.
Increase in heat in the resistor or capacitor or ic will hinder perfermance dramatically.
New H2O Block should be 45 degree from the CPU Core edge all the way around or left 1" so that Air can be push in to Cool.:rolleyes:

those 3 other objects are also resistors. Actually they are resistor-packs, or "resistor networks" as they are also known. each object is a grouup of four resistors of the same value, in this case its 10k-omhs. but thats going off track a little.


you wont see any benefit from cooling these, and i am positive that what you measured was the heat from the core itself, not these capacitors and resistors.

[mata2974]

but the idea to increase airflow around the core is neat:rolleyes:

[comstate-1]

You hit the JackPot,rogerdugans. Grasped the idea.
I got the AMD 2800-333mhz barton Schematic and checked that the 3 resistors give off heat that seems over 60Cd.
Close contact to H20 block contains the heat dissipation.
Off I go to find 2"x2"2" solid copper block.
If any one knows where I can get it, please, let me know on this Forum.

Thanks;)

[rogerdugans]

Check in your area for scrap yards and any kind of metal dealers- use the Yellow Pages (remember Telephones? :D)
You may be able to find something locally pretty cheap.

Good luck and let us know how it goes :)