Ok I think im done with Nvidia....

[mentaL704]

Well, this is my first post here, you can learn alot with search button :D

Well, heres my problem. I just got a new Fx5900 non-ultra @ 475/975. I ran 3dmark2001 SE and I usually get 12.5k I cant seem to get any higher unless I run it at 640x480x16 then I get like 15k.

Rig
P4 2.4c @ 3.2
512 2x256 HyperX
FX 5900 475/975

I have tweaked everything just cant seem to get any higher. With this happening and the new HL2 benchies, I think Im going ATI

Anyone have any ideas ?? I cant figure it out :mad:

[countermods]

ok u have a direct x card i had the same problem well its not really a problem you card will score good in 03 not 01se 01se is made for direct x8 not 9

[El<(')>Maxi]

Re-install card driver's after running "Driver Cleaner"

Oh, and don't try HL2;)

Maxi

[Steven4563]

i think ive had enuff the FX line off cards suck i score more than u with a ti4200 i score 14K in 3dmark2001se

i think im going to ati aswell im saling my ti4200 to a mate from my old school :)

[Sir Barton]

i get around 15k 3dmarks in 01SE on my OC'd Ti4800SE. i will never buy an FX card...bet your arse i will get a radeon 9xxx once the need arises.

[mrgreenjeans]

I still didn't hear what you ran in 03? I've got a Fx5800ultra that runs 16K+ in 01 and 5K+ in 03 (and that's at stock) and have yet to encounter a game that'll stagger it at max settings. Are you sure you got a clean driver install?

[kfunk]

FX cards are decent. I'm still waiting for my Nvidia cards to die on me so I can try ATI cards. It won't die on me though. :) Why replace it when it ain't broken?

[mentaL704]

Well, I used driver cleaner, and everything seems to tbe ok.

I ran 3dmark03 and got 6200 but I still get really low scores in 2001SE I dunno cant figure it out. Is there anything im missing, I think I have tried everything.

His OC'd ti4800 is smoking my 2001 scores, Im so dissappointed.

:mad:

[Evnas]

Originally posted by kfunk
FX cards are decent. I'm still waiting for my Nvidia cards to die on me so I can try ATI cards. It won't die on me though. :) Why replace it when it ain't broken?

Usint that logic i would still be using a Voodoo 3 :p

[mentaL704]

Originally posted by Evnas


Usint that logic i would still be using a Voodoo 3 :p

lol...... so true:D

[The_Jizzler]

did you at least reinstall directX when you put the card in? gotta do that too.....

[Steven4563]

the FX line off card isnt good they are s*** and they get there arse kicked by the r9500+

[mentaL704]

Originally posted by The_Jizzler
did you at least reinstall directX when you put the card in? gotta do that too.....

I unistalled all drivers loaded in safe mode used cab cleaner and driver cleaner, rebooted loaded the latest drivers from nvida reinstalled directx9 and still get low 2001 scores but get like 6000+ everytime in 03

Its like the my card hates 2001SE, its runs smooth and fast just cant get my scores above 12.5k, unless I switch to 640x480x16 then I get 15000+

Its driving me nutz!!! Like I said I have no clue. I have tried everything!

Im going to take it back, and get a 9800 pro instead. I love nvidia, every card I have owned has been nvidia. But these new FX cards are making a bad reputation!:(

[Steven4563]

if u can do a reformat :) see if it helps

[kfunk]

Originally posted by Evnas


Usint that logic i would still be using a Voodoo 3 :p

I still have Voodoo3 on my old computer. Slow but still runs.

[Overcrocked]

Just remember ATI had serious driver issues with their cards not so long ago. The kinks in the FX drivers still need to be worked out. In most tests I've actually seen the 5900 beating the pants off 9800s even in 2xAA and still ahead in 4xAA; the 5900 is actually *supposed* to be more powerful than the 9800. They're both great companies. The FX series is in its infancy don't give it up just yet. The 9800s are kickin ass right now, but you may regret getting rid of your 5900 so hastily. A final note: its sad to here so little faith in the FX from you guys, you know companies always send out their products before they are optimized. NVidia is butsin' their balls right now trying to get things optimized for HL2, yea, for one stupid little game. God I sound like an NVidia fanboy, but it just sickens me to hear people trashing something that isn't even ready yet. Next thing you know ATI is gonna bring out their nextgen cards and everyone's gonna be ****ed because the 5600 beats their flagship card in some benchmark.

-Overcrocked

[mentaL704]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
Just remember ATI had serious driver issues with their cards not so long ago. The kinks in the FX drivers still need to be worked out. In most tests I've actually seen the 5900 beating the pants off 9800s even in 2xAA and still ahead in 4xAA; the 5900 is actually *supposed* to be more powerful than the 9800. They're both great companies. The FX series is in its infancy don't give it up just yet. The 9800s are kickin ass right now, but you may regret getting rid of your 5900 so hastily. A final note: its sad to here so little faith in the FX from you guys, you know companies always send out their products before they are optimized. NVidia is butsin' their balls right now trying to get things optimized for HL2, yea, for one stupid little game. God I sound like an NVidia fanboy, but it just sickens me to hear people trashing something that isn't even ready yet. Next thing you know ATI is gonna bring out their nextgen cards and everyone's gonna be ****ed because the 5600 beats their flagship card in some benchmark.

-Overcrocked

Well, I have read so many bad reviews about the FX . More so then ATI, on this forum and others. Im sure they are all running there asses off to optimized for HL2. But, Im sure its to make money. Like I said before, I have bought all nvidia cards, and this is the only one that doesnt meet my expectations! I was orignally going to buy the 9800pro, but they didnt have them in stock. So I got the 5900, thinking that they were basically the same. Now when my roomates gets the same score as me or better in 2001se and in the new HL2 benchies, with a 9600 pro. That makes me wonder if my money was well spent.

Maybe its my fault, that im getting crappy scores, but I have tried everything. So unless i figure out that its my fault and not the card, I probably going to return it for a 9800 pro.

Just my .02

[Overcrocked]

Yea, so what if you're getting turd scores in 3dMark2001. Play a game, see how it works. That's what matters.

[El<(')>Maxi]

Scoring over 6k in 2K3 means the card is fine, and the driver's are now fine.

The problem you are having with 2K01 is most likely system related, ie low FSB, crappy memory timing's, incorrectly installed or not installed MOBO chipset driver's, and so on.

Also make sure you have the latest 2K01 patch installed.

If you are on XP OS, then try this -type "msconfig" in the run box from start menu | select diagnostic startup | exit and re-boot, then run the bench. You will have to save the score to submit later as all services will be disabled/no internet.

That one trick alone will do alot for a 2K01 score:p

Which brings me to my final idea. If you can return the card, do it! In light of the most recent revelation's regarding Nvidia and your card, I think that would be wise.

Maxi

[Damian]

Low FSB? That guy's FSB is 266.

By the way, is your memory in sync? If it's not, that might be the problem. Try bumping up the mem speed a bit.

[mentaL704]

Originally posted by Damian
Low FSB? That guy's FSB is 266.

By the way, is your memory in sync? If it's not, that might be the problem. Try bumping up the mem speed a bit.

How do I check if my mem is in sync??? and when you say bumping up the mem speed do you mean make it faster or slower? because its at 2-3-3-5

[Damian]

I mean inreasing the clock. With memory, the mem clock can be increased and the timings lowered (you can try that too, but it won't make a huge difference) to improve performance.

In your BIOS, look for a mem speed setting or something similar. Try increasing that if you feel your RAM is up to it. It most likely won't work at 266 (sync).

What speed's your HyperX rated for? If it's PC3000 (not higher or lower than that) you might have a chance.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by kfunk


I still have Voodoo3 on my old computer. Slow but still runs.

I sold mine when i bought my GF2, hehe. And im getting ready to sell my 9500 Pro too :)

[mentaL704]

My ram is HyperX PC3500 DDR 433

[Overcrocked]

Sell your P4/Mobo buy an NF7-S and a Barton 2800. Problem solved.

[Damian]

Originally posted by mentaL704
My ram is HyperX PC3500 DDR 433

In that case, you probably won't be able to sync with the FSB @ 266. Try to go as high as you can, though.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
Sell your P4/Mobo buy an NF7-S and a Barton 2800. Problem solved.

Was that supposed to be an "AMD is better then Intel" remark? lol

[kfunk]

sounds like it :)

[Overcrocked]

Of course your're gonna be hearing more slagging about the FX line. They just came out and people jumped on board. The ATI driver issues seem to have been resolved some time ago so everyone is satiated with ATI, so you're not gonna hear much about it. In pure 3d a 5900 beats a 9800 easy even the 5800 beats a 9800 in pure 3d benches. At least wait til the Det 5s come along. You people are so near-sited you can't look more than 1 week into the future. You really think the most powerful Graphics card manufacturer for home PCs is gonna be sunk because of FX driver issues. Gimme a break.

-Overcrocked

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
Of course your're gonna be hearing more slagging about the FX line. They just came out and people jumped on board. The ATI driver issues seem to have been resolved some time ago so everyone is satiated with ATI, so you're not gonna hear much about it. In pure 3d a 5900 beats a 9800 easy even the 5800 beats a 9800 in pure 3d benches. At least wait til the Det 5s come along. You people are so near-sited you can't look more than 1 week into the future. You really think the most powerful Graphics card manufacturer for home PCs is gonna be sunk because of FX driver issues. Gimme a break.

-Overcrocked

First off, the FX line has been out for quite some time itself. It came out back in February i believe.

Next...you say "In pure 3d a 5900 beats a 9800 easy even the 5800 beats a 9800 in pure 3d benches."...depends on what you are usuing. Obviously the FX lines blows no doubt in DX 9. But...DX 9 is a 3D API...so obviously your logic is quite flawed. Lets see these scores of the 5900 besting the 9800 easy in "3D"

And last, but not least, the "most powerful grpahics card manufacturer" is not nVidia. Its Intel. Intel may not have the most market share, but they are by FAR the more powerful of the two companies (dont you hate it when your wrong? :rolleyes: )

Im sorry, but you are the only person here showing "near-sightedness". Every statment you have made is either along htel ines of "nVidia owns, ATi blows!", or "AMD is better then Intel!", both statements which, thought they may have been true in the past, are no longer today

[q149]

maybe you accidentally put your cpu at 1.2 instead of 3.2, or maybe your memory is running 3-4-4-8 100mhz

[Overcrocked]

Originally posted by Evnas


First off, the FX line has been out for quite some time itself. It came out back in February i believe.

Yes, first off that is not a long time ago considering the average generation of cards last a few years, and companies always drop their nextgen cards before they're ready. I guess you forgot about the whole Rad 9XXX driver debacle not THAT long ago. Though of course for you 6 months is a very long time. Do you count your age in dog years?

Also, here's a quote from back in February. Which seems quite relevent for the time:
"People focus too much on benchmark speeds, but there is more going on that you dont heat about. ATI may be faster cards, but quite frequently the driver support is garbage. They often release drivers that either like to crash, or cause major video glitches in many games. ATI is better suited as a video card for non-Gaming purposes like Video editing and capture. But nVidia is still the best for gaming currently. I will stick with my Geforce 4 Ti for awhile to come instead of spending on the ATI speed hype or FX power hype for performance increase's I will not even notice currently"

Originally posted by Evnas


Next...you say "In pure 3d a 5900 beats a 9800 easy even the 5800 beats a 9800 in pure 3d benches."...depends on what you are usuing. Obviously the FX lines blows no doubt in DX 9. But...DX 9 is a 3D API...so obviously your logic is quite flawed. Lets see these scores of the 5900 besting the 9800 easy in "3D"

My logic flawed, sorry, wrong. Guess why? Nope, wrong, that's not it...it's because THERE ARE NO DX9 games out, none, zero. Get me? NVidia has unveiled that their new Det 5's will work great with HL2 and DX9. So, we'll still have to wait and see before you can judge the FX as a line of crap cards. Anyways, I've seen Doom 3 benches with the demo they brought out some months ago and the FX 5900-5800 was top of the heap.

Oh yea, here is the proof you so desperatly needed:
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/vga_card_guide-12.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/vga_card_guide-13.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/vga_card_guide-14.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/vga_card_guide-15.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/vga_card_guide-16.html


Originally posted by Evnas

And last, but not least, the "most powerful grpahics card manufacturer" is not nVidia. Its Intel. Intel may not have the most market share, but they are by FAR the more powerful of the two companies (dont you hate it when your wrong?)

Last, and least, since this is quite laughable and the most ridiculous part of your argument: I think you misunderstood what I was saying completely. Yes, we all know Intel is more powerful than NVidia and ATI; that's a given. What I meant was in terms of GRAPHICS CARDS, because this is in the graphics part of the forum, and guy who started this thread was asking about graphics cards, not CPUs. In terms of Intel and 3d Graphics cards I'd say their marketshare is about 0%. I could not find anything on the internet that said that Intel was even part of the home pc graphics card marketshare.

As for the remark I made about the Barton/NF7, that was a joke. You seemed to get a kick out of it, remember? I'm not the one that says I'm an Intel and ATI fanboy in my sig, which I think in itself discredits almost anything you say anyways regarding anything Intel/ATI.

Although this was a respons to Evnas. I hope this helps the starter of this thread in his decision whether he should return his FX5900 or not.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
In terms of Intel and 3d Graphics cards I'd say their marketshare is about 0%. I could not find anything on the internet that said that Intel was even part of the home pc graphics card marketshare.

*cough*
For the sixth successive quarter, Nvidia claimed the top spot, increasing one percentage point to 31 per cent. Intel maintained its second spot with 29 per cent while ATI grew one percentage point to 19 per cent.
*cough*

Originally posted by Overcrocked
As for the remark I made about the Barton/NF7, that was a joke. You seemed to get a kick out of it, remember? I'm not the one that says I'm an Intel and ATI fanboy in my sig, which I think in itself discredits almost anything you say anyways regarding anything Intel/ATI.

Yea, im a real fanboy. I have been saying since thier release, that he 9800 Pro and the 5900 Ultra are equal competitors in terms of performance for the most part (except in DX 9 benches), and i own an AMD system....yea, im the most dedicated fanboy there is! :rolleyes: They are simply my prefered companies to do business with.

[Overcrocked]

Great you found something, I looked high and low. Thanks, you just proved me right that NVidia has a higher marketshare than ATI and Intel, by a decent margin as well for ATI. Also your reading comprehension is flawed because I am, and was, talking about the home PC graphics card industry. If Intel was in the home PC industry for such, how come they are NEVER compared in benchmarks with ATI and NVidia cards. The Forum doesn't even have a section for Intel based graphics cards. The guy who started the thread is looking for a GFX card for his HOME computer. Next time you quote something at least get something that will help your arguement, not hinder it. Or is it people just take it for granted that Intel is the most powerful HOME graphics card leader and therefore don't need to be benched? It's just taken for granted? Again, gimme a break.

I guess you lied in your sig about the fanboy thing then. I obviously don't have a dictionary to reference, but a Fanboys is generally used to denote a person who is fanatically devoted to a certain product/company, whatever. Now you're just your ho-hum about the whole thing. I'm sorry, generally when someone makes a sig it's to let people know a little bit about you. So you obviously lied, which is contradictory and redundant to the whole premise.

There, now that everything is cleared up, and I've been proven right in all regards, we can end this little spat.

A Final Note:
I'm neither a fanboy, nor even have favour in any company; one way or another. I use logic and relevence in my arguements. I've owned many more Intel based CPU computers than I have AMD and I have owned ATI cards and I'm indifferent about the whole "Who's better: ATI or NVidia" situation. It's just that people seem to forget that past quite quickly. The Rad 9XXX had just as bad, if not worse problems when they were first released, people couldn't even run games or they would crash after 15 miuntes etc. I'm just trying to remind people of that when they slag a product that's in it's infancy, at least the GeForceFX is stable. People are criticizing the whole line because of lack of DX9 support at this point in time, and there aren't even any DX9api games out yet and because their 3Dmark2001 score is low, because it's so important to have a 20000 3Dmark2001 score. "Who cares about how my games run, if I don't get a 19000 in 3DMark2001SE 330 I'm taking the card back." That to me is illogical.

*cough* *cough* *HACK*

[mentaL704]

Well, Back to the subject at hand, that was some debate!

I manage to say screw 3Dmark01. It runs awesome in all my games and in 3Dmark03. I have had everything turned to the MAX! and it runs perfect, not a hiccup. I dont know what I did different but everything is much better, more smooth, and faster. I also have my card at 500/960, which I couldnt achieve before.

I get at least 6200 or more in 03. I guess I was just near-sided, and got angry to quick. For the mean time, Im keeping my 5900.
As far as 3Dmark01 goes, I unistalled it. I could never get higher then 12.5k.

I have another question, What are all you 5900 users core/mem speeds at?

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
Great you found something, I looked high and low. Thanks, you just proved me right that NVidia has a higher marketshare than ATI and Intel, by a decent margin as well for ATI. Also your reading comprehension is flawed because I am, and was, talking about the home PC graphics card industry. If Intel was in the home PC industry for such, how come they are NEVER compared in benchmarks with ATI and NVidia cards. The Forum doesn't even have a section for Intel based graphics cards. The guy who started the thread is looking for a GFX card for his HOME computer. Next time you quote something at least get something that will help your arguement, not hinder it. Or is it people just take it for granted that Intel is the most powerful HOME graphics card leader and therefore don't need to be benched? It's just taken for granted? Again, gimme a break.

Intel makes onboard video, which sells quite well with Dell PC's for HOME use. :rolleyes: Intel Extreme Graphics is what they are called...do a little research. You cant go out and buy them, they are strictly onboard GPU's. Never the less, they are used in home PC's, and Intel being the larger company then nVidia, though they dont have the larger market share, they are the most powerful company of the two. Are they the more influential in the graphics industry? No. But thats not what you said in the first place either...you said most powerful COMPANY in the graphics industry. Intel is a company, They are in the graphics industry. They are more powerful then nVidia. Simple. You are being vague with what you say, and then when someone give facts to show otherwise, you keep stating "thats not what i meant!"...say what you mean, mean what you say.

Originally posted by Overcrocked
I guess you lied in your sig about the fanboy thing then. I obviously don't have a dictionary to reference, but a Fanboys is generally used to denote a person who is fanatically devoted to a certain product/company, whatever. Now you're just your ho-hum about the whole thing. I'm sorry, generally when someone makes a sig it's to let people know a little bit about you. So you obviously lied, which is contradictory and redundant to the whole premise.

Now it seems your the one who cant take a simple joke. :rolleyes: The defenition of "lie" is this. "Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression." In my sig that is neither meant to deceive, nor give the wrong impression. Its a joke. Obviously a joke, since looking at my sig you see an AMD system. Lighten up...you cant be right all the time :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Overcrocked
The Rad 9XXX had just as bad, if not worse problems when they were first released, people couldn't even run games or they would crash after 15 miuntes etc.

That wasnt a problem with the cards. That was a problem with 8x AGP being put into mothboards before Intel had finished the specs in an attempt to be the first company to have it. I have had my 9500 Pro since the DAY they were released, and have had not a single problem running it. Had the NV30 been released at the same time, it would have run into EXACTLY the same problems with 8x AGP that the 9xxx series did.

[Overcrocked]

Again, your reading comprehension is flawed, yes, I've heard of Intel Extreme, but how many people have this. In case of Marketshare of Home based PCs they're still probably 0%. How many people on these forums has one of these compared to an ATI or NVidia card? Think about it. Also we're not talking about mobo's we're talking about CARDS, he doesn't want a new mobo. I said the most powerful in HOME PC GRAPHICS. I have already acknowledged and am aware that Intel is the more powerful company but only because of their other areas, not graphics. For a company that has such a high share of the home PC market why do they recommend ATI/and/or/Nvidia products with all their products, including motherboards? Seems strange that they would do this. The intel extreme graphics is like the addition of GF4MX on the NF7-M mobo's, nobody uses it because it's not a powerful gpu its for basic computing. Some people may have them but they certainly don't use them for the most part. People just want the whole package with their mobos now. I so doubt more than a handful of people went out and bought an Intel mobo because it had Intel EXTREME Graphics. Go to the Intel website, go to home computing. Intel Extreme is lame attempt to draw people to their mobos and they even say its only for basic computing and recommend ATI/NVidia cards for anything besides basic computing. So to me it doesn't even count. It's almost like cheating to get a marketshare in the graphics market.

You are doing exactly what you are saying I was apparently doing. In regards to your sig "say what you mean, mean what you say." Don't be a hypocrite too. You did give me the wrong impression and it doesn't help that you say how great ATI is in all of your posts. -Hey, I have an Idea, I live an hour away from ATI World HQ, you can e-mail me your love letters to ATI, and I'll bring em right up to their front door for you (and I have no sense of humour pfft)!?-

And with the 9XXX debacle way back when. Now you are just making complete assumptions. Do you work for Nvidia, or are you an insider or something, how do you know NVidia would've had problems. Just because Rads did. NVidia put out 8X products and they worked fine from day one. You're just blowing smoke about something that never happened regarding NVidia. Also, if that crashes/etc weren't a problem with ATI drivers how come I heard so much about it for so long. Even now some people won't buy ATI cards because of past problems due to bad drivers support concerning gaming, not because of the 8X AGP crap. Ever been to the Rage3d Forums, all they ever talked about was the terrible driver support a few months ago(I used to have an 8500).

[Dragonprince]

Originally posted by mentaL704
Well, Back to the subject at hand, that was some debate!

I manage to say screw 3Dmark01. It runs awesome in all my games and in 3Dmark03. I have had everything turned to the MAX! and it runs perfect, not a hiccup. I dont know what I did different but everything is much better, more smooth, and faster. I also have my card at 500/960, which I couldnt achieve before.

I get at least 6200 or more in 03. I guess I was just near-sided, and got angry to quick. For the mean time, Im keeping my 5900.
As far as 3Dmark01 goes, I unistalled it. I could never get higher then 12.5k.

I have another question, What are all you 5900 users core/mem speeds at?

I would keep it too if I had paid for it, too much money to just throw out. But dont let a smart decision about money change the fact that you should be ****ed at nVidia for the lies and deceit. I mean really....encrypting drivers so your hacks cant be uncovered, shame on you nVidia. Shame Shame!!:eek:

Face facts, nVidia is hacking the Det drivers to gain performance by turning off visual quality. Period. I dont care what you get in any benchmark or game for performance, always remember that the guy who bought an ATi9800 is getting the same speed or better but also he/she is also getting much much better image quality. And for that I think you should be ****ed at nVidia...:mad:

[Overcrocked]

Dragonprince, you hate NVidia with a vengeance. Did they steal your baby or something?

[mentaL704]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
Dragonprince, you hate NVidia with a vengeance. Did they steal your baby or something?

You would think so, sounded like a speech that he planned for weeks. :p

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
it doesn't help that you say how great ATI is in all of your posts.

Im done arguing with you. Its pointless and a waste of space. But as for this comment, i do NOT preach how great ATi is. All i have said, simply, is nVidia has problems with DX 9 which is undeniable :rolleyes:

[qwerty57]

this is some serious 5900 power ;)
620-647 core
1026-1075 mem

Im almost to 23k in 2k1 with the 44.03 driver set and 22.3k wiht the nature removed optimized 45.23's

also some 5900 non ultra ownage below

http://jason57.iwarp.com/2k15900u.GIF
http://jason57.iwarp.com/2k35900u.GIF
http://jason57.iwarp.com/5900NU2K3.gif

[mentaL704]

Dang, I wish I could hit 22k with 2001se, or 15k for that matter.

When are the Det. 50's going to be released!!! anyone know?

[qwerty57]

tommorow the 15th ;)

to be honest these cards regardless of what reviews state are very fast.. I own a 9700/9800 and the 5900 is just as good.. and image quality is very small if any in certain games off from one card to the next..

[Overcrocked]

Originally posted by Evnas


Im done arguing with you. Its pointless and a waste of space. But as for this comment, i do NOT preach how great ATi is. All i have said, simply, is nVidia has problems with DX 9 which is undeniable :rolleyes:

Good, the funny thing is I do agree with you on that, but the FX series still has time to meet compliance with DX9. That's why all the insulting is premature. As for now they are still a good bunch of cards. The negative vibe in these forums due to said problem is just getting to me.

-Overcrocked

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
but the FX series still has time to meet compliance with DX9.

DX 9 compliance is all hardware based, in the GPU. Thats why i dont think, without one hell of an IQ drop (which has been shown in the beta Det 5.0's) the Det 5.0's wont be much help. nVidia, physically, does not have as many shaders as the ATi card...no ammount of driver fixes can change that.

[Overcrocked]

The FX series does have less Pixel Shading v1.4 whilst the Rad 9's have 2.0, I believe. Whether anyone will even be able to tell the dif we'll have to wait and see.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
The FX series does have less Pixel Shading v1.4 whilst the Rad 9's have 2.0, I believe. Whether anyone will even be able to tell the dif we'll have to wait and see.

the FX lines has PS 2.0...its a DX 9 requierment...without it they wouldnt have any DX 9 card ;)

[Overcrocked]

Oh, well anyways, I think they were using V1.4 for HL2 because of the shader problems. I doubt anyone will notice a difference, but then again I'm not psychic. Damn cheaters!

Edit: Of course this could be fixed in future revisions of the cards, but that doesn't help any of the people who own the cards now :o.

-Overcrocked

[Evnas]

To fix this in a future revision of they card, they would have to redesign, and retest the core...that takes quite a while. I have no doubt they have done just that, but the fixes will be in their next round of cards...not the current.

[Overcrocked]

If you mean next round as their nextgen cards. Then they better hurry their asses up or there's gonna be a lot of ****ed people. I think it would be wise to revise the FX line rather than wait for the nextgen crop.

-Overcrocked

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
If you mean next round as their nextgen cards. Then they better hurry their asses up or there's gonna be a lot of ****ed people. I think it would be wise to revise the FX line rather than wait for the nextgen crop.

-Overcrocked

Of course the consumer would think that, but to nVidia, its wasted money. The 5900 Ultra has been put out, it work, on to the next project is how the engineers (and the CEO and other high officials) look at it.

[Ec]-[oMaN]

Originally posted by Overcrocked


Good, the funny thing is I do agree with you on that, but the FX series still has time to meet compliance with DX9. That's why all the insulting is premature. As for now they are still a good bunch of cards. The negative vibe in these forums due to said problem is just getting to me.

-Overcrocked
the problem is getting to you???well from just reading this thread,you are getting to me,you sound like a real premature person yourself,go read some more facts,i think you need to...

[El<(')>Maxi]

Go on......Click me (http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=25F03475-03D6-4C1F-B5BC-E3091A484B26)

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[Overcrocked]

HAHA! That's funny, yes.

-Overcrocked, don't die thread!

[Mr.Guvernment]

Why..........


the problem is with NIVIDIA is they relay on their drivers - drivers this, drivers that - %30 improvment etce etc

when i buy a card - i want it to do what it says it does - NVIDIA said their FX was FULL Dx9 compatible - infact i beleive they made the claim that they wer the FIRST fully DX9 compatible card out with the FX even thought ATi had their out months before - and yet NOW they are saying that you should run games like Hl2 a DX9 game - that will be out soon - in Dx8.1 mode for better fram rates...lol


When i buy a card - whether NVIDIA or ATI - it better do what it says it can out of the box with out me having to wait 4 months or more in HOPES that some new driver will fix the issues and lack of performace that should of been there when i bought the card. - If the card can not perform like it should - dont sell it and make false claims.


On a side note - i have NEVER had an issue with ATi drivers from using 98 and every O/S in between up to Xp / 2003 now (98/98se/2k/me/xp/2003) - not to mention almost all alpaha's and all beta's from 2k and up)

i own ATI:

9700PRO
AIW 128rage 32mb 2x AGP (ran on Xp and 2k great!)
7500 Radeon 64mb
8500 Radeon 64mb

I also own NVIDIA

leadtek ti4600 - wicked card!
MSi ti4200 128mb (4xagp) - again great card
ti4200 64mb - foes it's job
and a couple mx440 on other systems

HOWever i have had NUMEROUS B.S.O.D's from nvidia drivers and only NVIDIA drivers - never from ATI.

:D

[PreservedSwine]

It seems like your'e a little defensive about the FX5900...

Don't worry, it will run DX9 games just fine, just at lowered quality....the NV35 core simply lacks the registers and pipes when performing texel and shader ops in the same clock-cycle...this only happens during DX9 apps running PS2.0, and FP32....or FP16 even when running PS2.0....the hardware simply isn't there....driver cannot fix this issue......which is why nVidia must revert many of the PS2.0 shaders and run them as PS1.4...DX8.1 material....Don't worry, it will be very fast, just lack the quality DX9 can provide....

Enjoy your purchase......

[Silversinksam]

Interesting thread, I'm a recovering Nvidiot, my name is Sam :)

I had an IC7 that popped a northbridge hook (Hook came out of the Mobo) Anyway the Northbridge landed on my 9800 which I thought was dead.

I spent all day yesterday on the phone with ABIT telling them how to fix this dumb problem and I think they liked my idea as they offered me a 5900 Ultra for my dead 9800 pro.

I was happy, but today I was able to fix the 9800 at an electronics shop since the damage was minor.

I thought all day about what I should do, and if the 9800 doesn't show any signs of damage from the Abit accident I'm keeping it.

Am I still an Nvidiot? Dunno, that remains to be seen as I'm not liking some of (http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=232142) the things (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11492) transpiring.

Forget about cheating, both ATI and NVidia do it and I can live with that. BUT.......

Nvidia needs to wake up out of thier stupor and I am amazed ATI has not only caught up to them, but is surpassing them, which I honestly didn't ever think would happen......

[Overcrocked]

Originally posted by Ec]-[oMaN

the problem is getting to you???well from just reading this thread,you are getting to me,you sound like a real premature person yourself,go read some more facts,i think you need to...

*Yawn* Whatever you think bud. I'm premature, what does that mean, that I was born 2 weeks early? Please, If you have anything relevent to say ,by all means, but if you're going to come in here and start talking like a moron why don't you just not say anything at all.

-Overcrocked

[Overcrocked]

Originally posted by Evnas


Of course the consumer would think that, but to nVidia, its wasted money. The 5900 Ultra has been put out, it work, on to the next project is how the engineers (and the CEO and other high officials) look at it.

I am a consumer, it's too bad large companies like NVidia don't listen to their most important asset. If NVidia wants to lose their marketshare, their respectability; which is already going down the tubes. So be it. I'm not a fanboy, I've mostly had NVidia cards, but I have no problems using the ATI cards as they are now rock stable ,and even though they've been around 15+ years, and it's only recently that they've entered the competative graphics market [Since the Death of the 3DFX Voodoo cards, and when NVidia started the Geforce line-up]. ATI has reached a pinnacle and are definatly in a position to take over the market. If NVidia wants to **** around for another year, or even six months, or god help them; longer. ATI will take them down, and it will be their own fatass, money pandering ways that will bring them down. Hate to see it happen to a company I still have a lot of respect for. Don't worry, I think everyone is a fatass, money panderer. :D

-Overcrocked

[Ec]-[oMaN]

Originally posted by Overcrocked


*Yawn* Whatever you think bud. I'm premature, what does that mean, that I was born 2 weeks early? Please, If you have anything relevent to say ,by all means, but if you're going to come in here and start talking like a moron why don't you just not say anything at all.

-Overcrocked
there is no point in any1 posting in this thread any more because you have posted about 20 times stating the same thing from your first post,just repeating how really dumb you are,you should be the one to leave and keep your pointless one minded chatter to urself

[Overcrocked]

Originally posted by Ec]-[oMaN

there is no point in any1 posting in this thread any more because you have posted about 20 times stating the same thing from your first post,just repeating how really dumb you are,you should be the one to leave and keep your pointless one minded chatter to urself

Yes, I'm an idiot because I reinforce my statements and use logic and fact to back them up . Sorry, not all people can be as brilliant as you Echoman, er ,sorry, Ec]-[oMaN. *cough troll cough*

-Overcrocked -The Idiot

[El<(')>Maxi]

Originally posted by Overcrocked
Hate to see it happen to a company I still have a lot of respect for.

Just one question.

-How can you have respect for a Company like Nvidia after all the spin tactic's, payoff's, and flat out lying they have done over the last year.

Hey I loved my Ti4200 but I have let go. It seem's fairly easy to make that call to me.....

[Mr.Guvernment]

i love Nvidia for their TI line- i have no respect for them for their FX line.

i have always leaned towards ATI - that is until i got my ti4600!!


anyways - u said it good Overcrocked about NVIDIA - seem no large corporation listens to the people it should - the ones who spend the $500++++ on a video card.

[Evnas]

Originally posted by Mr.Guvernment
anyways - u said it good Overcrocked about NVIDIA - seem no large corporation listens to the people it should - the ones who spend the $500++++ on a video card.

Sure they do. Infact, they listen to us more then anybody. If it wasnt for us, nVidia wouldnt be trying to cover their ass with poor DX performance. If it wasnt for us, you wouldnt see half the optimizations you do for games. If it wasnt for us, you wouldnt see half the performance from a top of the line card as there is.

Enthusiests may make up a very small percent of the market share, but we influence the entire market more then any other.