AMD 1.1Ghz @ Idle 51°C , Stressed 56*°C

[Pitspawn]

I have a friend who recently upgraded his pc (about time) and he has almost the exact same setup as me. To save money he put his pc into a desktop rather than a tower. His idle temps are 51°C and his stress temp is 56°C. My system is at the same speed with idle at 31° and stress at 39°C (33°C with 7.2k delta). My friend seems to think that it is perfectly ok to run his pc at these temps because AMD says that athlons can go to 90-95°C. Please tell me that running at 56°C is going to seriously kill the life-span of the cpu.

Exactly how long does a cpu this hot last for anyway? (esp with idle at 51°C)

[Pitspawn]

Oh yeah, i forgot to ask. I asked him what code he had on his amd and he said he thought it was AXIA (Explains how it runs at 56°C) :)

He also said his core was pink, WTF?

What the heck is a pink core athlon? Is it a special edition or something, or is he colour blind?

[FRANK]

First of all, it is probable that he has insufficient air flow through his case. Depending on the amount and type of components, ie. multiple hard drives, high end video cards and other heat producing goodies that he has stuffed into the case, this could be a source for his problem. A high quality hsf, as well as getting rid of the hot air form within the case, is very important in any system, particularly a desktop.

The motherboard monitoring programs also vary considerably from manufacturer to manufacturer. For instance the ASUS Probe has been said to report temps as much as 10C higher than actual. My experience with the ASUS boards confirms this. I've had various CPU motherboard combinations and have seen the CPU temps vary from the high 40's to the high 50's. In fact in one situation I took a DURON 600 @ 1130MHz from an ASUS A7V133 and installed it on an FIC AD11 with the same settings, basically changed only the motherboard, and the temps were 54 to 56C on the A7V133 and 49 to 51c on the AD11.

More information on the overall system would be helpful.

[Pitspawn]

Erm, i WOULD have posted his system spec if there was a need for it. What I asked was is it safe to run at these temperatures and how long will his cpu last. I already know how to sort out his temperatures, but he wont let me as he doesn't want the hassle. He also thinks I'm fussing for nothing. I just want some feed back on my question from ppl who know. Anyway, for you people who want to know his specs...

(His spec, not mine. Oh, and sorry how brief it is, i dont know all his equip)
1.1Ghz AMD (Pink Core WTF?) w/ Coolermaster HSF :)
Gigabyte AMD Chipset Mobo
192Mb RAM (1x128Mb 2x32Mb PC100)
Creative GeForce GTS2
230w PSU
Desktop Case

[Megahurtz]

Pitspawn (May 15, 2001 08:23 p.m.):
Erm, i WOULD have posted his system spec if there was a need for it. What I asked was is it safe to run at these temperatures and how long will his cpu last. I already know how to sort out his temperatures, but he wont let me as he doesn't want the hassle. He also thinks I'm fussing for nothing. I just want some feed back on my question from ppl who know. Anyway, for you people who want to know his specs...

(His spec, not mine. Oh, and sorry how brief it is, i dont know all his equip)
1.1Ghz AMD (Pink Core WTF?) w/ Coolermaster HSF :)
Gigabyte AMD Chipset Mobo
192Mb RAM (1x128Mb 2x32Mb PC100)
Creative GeForce GTS2
230w PSU
Desktop Case

My 1Ghz T-bird could be considered 'pink', although to me it is more reddish than pink.

I don't know how your friends reported temperatures correspond to the 'real' temperatures of the CPU die.

FRANK was asking for information for a reason.

I can see that we have an issue. To the best of my knowledge there is no AMD chipset for Socket-A with SDRAM.

The need for additional air flow seems certain, but the more information that you can supply, the better that a member can assist you and your friend.

T

[Pitspawn]

Yeah, your right. I just checked his mobo (Gigabyte-7ZX) at there homepage and its a VIA chipset. He swears that its a AMD chipset though.

How long does a cpu idle 51°C and max 56°C last then?

[FRANK]

Megahurtz (May 15, 2001 08:45 p.m.):
Pitspawn (May 15, 2001 08:23 p.m.):
Erm, i WOULD have posted his system spec if there was a need for it. What I asked was is it safe to run at these temperatures and how long will his cpu last. I already know how to sort out his temperatures, but he wont let me as he doesn't want the hassle. He also thinks I'm fussing for nothing. I just want some feed back on my question from ppl who know. Anyway, for you people who want to know his specs...

(His spec, not mine. Oh, and sorry how brief it is, i dont know all his equip)
1.1Ghz AMD (Pink Core WTF?) w/ Coolermaster HSF :)
Gigabyte AMD Chipset Mobo
192Mb RAM (1x128Mb 2x32Mb PC100)
Creative GeForce GTS2
230w PSU
Desktop Case

My 1Ghz T-bird could be considered 'pink', although to me it is more reddish than pink.

I don't know how your friends reported temperatures correspond to the 'real' temperatures of the CPU die.

FRANK was asking for information for a reason.

I can see that we have an issue. To the best of my knowledge there is no AMD chipset for Socket-A with SDRAM.

The need for additional air flow seems certain, but the more information that you can supply, the better that a member can assist you and your friend.

T

Thank you, Megahurtz.

BTW, I would gladdly tell anybody "exactly" how long their CPU's would last at any given temp,...............................IF I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL!!!!!

[pik33]

First, idle51C means bad cooling software. Try wcprset and set $52 register to $EB or someething with bit 7 set (=1) In my system this caused idle temp to drop fron about 60C to 28-29C - when normal working (writing, listening to mp3, playing divx movies etc) it don't exceed 40C
At full load, however, I have 63C (Duron 750@950, 1.75V) after about half an hour of full load work. This high temperature is now result of bad, closed case, where there is no air flow. I don't worry about this temp, because (1) it works stable (2) before I lapped my cooler it worked stable at 72-73C and didn't fry. I only want to get better case for more overclocking (when temperature drops about 10C, I will try 1000 or over... ;-) now 1000 is not stable because of HIGH (over 70C) temperature in my system ))
So (1) try wcprset (2) get prime95 and allow it to "self-test" or "torture-test" several hours. It's good to run other program like disk defragmenter or MP3 compressor when Prime95 is running, but I recommend do this only when after several minutes Prime don't report errors (my HD got bad sectors when I tested my system in this way, it was near dead and hard to recover) LOOK AT TEMPERATURE when testing, if this system was not tested with heavy load programs before, temperature may raise MUCH OVER this 56C and cpu can fry. If your BIOS have something like "anti-burn shield" which shut off computer when temperature is too high, enable it before tests.
If all is good with these tests don't worry about frying cpu at 56C.

[Gerti]

Those temps are way too high man, he'll fry his Cpu at those temps. First i would recommend for him to get a good heatsink like the WBK or FOP from globalwin or the Thermoengine. The coolermaster HSF is crap.
Remember to lap the HSF.
Also tell him to try and get some high flow fans perhaps 120mm or 80mm and improve the air flow in the case.
My tems on my duron 700 @ 970 1.85V were(now ,chipped it) 39 idle and 42 load with the thermoengine cooler.

[castle lager fan]

I run my AMD 1.33 Ghz at 48C idle and it goes up to 55C at full load. It works fine, but these temps ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR OVERCLOCKING! I am not overclocking currently as I'm waiting for my real HSF (MC462A). I am currently using an Coolermaster EP5 6I11, which is fine for normal use not for OCing.

I have worked with various electronics in the past and temps of up to 100C is not unusual. It does shorten the MTBF (Mean time before failure). If your friand is not OCing nor planning he would be fine, if the 56C is at full load for at least an hour.

I had to add a 90 mm extract fan and rounded cables to my Mid Tower already to get down the case temp, as it keeps overheating when I stress the CPU. My difference between idle and stress is 7C currently, which is too high and I have already done some work to improve it. I bet that your friends case will really heat up when the CPU starts working and the temp of the CPU will sky rocket. Remember that the hotter electronics get the less efficient they become and the more heat they produce, the less effecient they become,... So Take it serious when people warn of CPU frying as this upward spiral happens quickly!! Expensive smoke will follow! Measure the case temp at load ( you can but a small digital sensor for $15). If it is more than 15C (normal user not OC fanatic) higher than ambient you have a problem.