View Full Version : [SOLVED] 1333mhz T-Bird at 70C ?!?!?
To start, I am using an ASUS A7A266 motherboard, an AXIA 1333mhz T-Bird and a "Cooler Master" DP5-6H11 heatsink/fan.
I can't believe how hot the CPU is running. The ASUS probe software cooling does jack **** as far as I can tell. The 70C temp is what Motherboard Monitor 5 probe tells me (thats with an open case). The ASUS probe is 5degrees less...MB temp is roughly 32C. The room temperature is a little stuffy but only a few C above norm.
I am using an open case and have a 9 inch house fan circulating air into the case and on to the CPU/Heatsink. The temp goes down by less than 5 degrees. I have to admit that after some research the heatsink/fan is only approved up to 1200mhz T-Birds, I've called the reseller and ripped them a new ******* for shipping me an inadequate heatsink and they are shipping me the proper AMD approved cooler master heatsink which is suppousedly 20mm wider.
What really bothers me is AMD and their quality control...how can these CPU's run this hot. Could it be that I just got a ****y CPU...or do you guys honestly think that a 20mm wider heatsink from the same maker, made from the same materials will solve all the problems? When I called AMD they told me "unofficialy" that the 1333's run super hot and that I can expect them to reach 55ish even with an "amd approved" heatsink.
Any suggestion as to what I can do to try an lower the cpu temp, should I demand a new cpu from the reseller?
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Da Whip
05-23-01, 07:47 PM
bubu, The Coolermasre HSF you own is the cheapest of the line;
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010521/cooler-05.html
As this article states it is no good for T-birds. Here is a recent comparison of HSF that are suitable for a 1.33 AXIA;
http://www.athlonoc.com/hsfroundup3.php
You should have done your homework and researched HSF's. I never totally believe what a salesperson tells me.
P.S. Watch the profanity or Dan will jump on your case.
Well that explains alot DaWhip, I will order a better heatsink & fan. Thanks for the links...I just figured if it was AMD approved, I guess they just give the stamp of approval to anything that wont blatantly melt the CPU down :).
P.S. love the burning CPU graphic, just wondering how you got into my house to take a picture of my CPU...
I'm on my second 1.33 right now. Both are AXIA Y and both were hot as hell. With the stock HSF the first AXIA crashed on boot. I later cracked it removing and installing the HSF so many times to find out why it was so goddamned hot. Like 47C idle and 53C under load. Got my new one today, same story. I use arctic silver 2 and I have a coolerguys wind tunnel 2 and an mc370 HS with a ys-tech 26cfm 4500 rpm fan on it. Same stats on both, except I have the A7M266. Let me know how your cooling attempts go, and see if it's a y stepping.
Oh yeah, I also did the housefan thing until my good cooling equipment got here. Worked well. If you want good cooling for this thing I have researched and researched and it seems the mc462 can't be beat but with the stock fan apparently it's quite quite loud. So I went with the MC370 and a case that circulates air well. Then there's liquid cooling, which will probably be my next step because I just don't think it's ok to overclock with these temps, and I don't want my comp case to sound like a jet engine.
The CPU die markings are AXIA0111WPBW and bellow it Y5087831781
I just ordered the Swiftech MC370-0A. I just could not bring myself to spend $90 on the MC462 :(. Hopefully this will deal with all the problems I've been having with the temp. I do think that the stepping my cpu comes from was a bad one...will wait and see results in the meantime I'll pray the house fan keeps me running. Only thing that sucks about the house fan is the magnetic interference it produces...I get a nice shaky picture on my monitor heh.
actually the stepping is allegedly a good one and for that reason alone most people pay much more for it. i paid 217 for my first one and 250 for the second one. both are very hot but if you can get the right cooling and you know what you are doing apparently you can oc the **** out of them. I don't know I'm still letting mine run at 1.33 for the time being, I can't afford another cracked core. the mc370 keeps me around 45-55C idle to load etc... but I also have a case that pushes through a lot of air. a high powered fan might help you out on cooling that axia but yeah, i have had two axia y steppings now and they both are/were very very hot. if you intend to overclock look at spending a lot more than 90 bux to accomplish it. I spent hmmm about 400 or so just to keep my temps at what they are now (45C idle and 53-54C under load). And the liquid cooling setup I'm looking at from dangerden costs about 200 so.... maybe axia y core is not all that great after all.
Thermodynamic
05-24-01, 05:08 PM
When I bought my T-Bird 1Ghz, Pcboost.com sold it to me with a $40 Coolermaster HSF which was recommended by AMD. I assumed that would be a good fan because even AMD knows Athlons can, if unattended, broast a 50 pound turkey in 3 minutes...
Well, all I can say is - I erred. So go out to the overclockers.com site and research the Gladiator OCZ heatsink. I also made a review of my own. Overall, it's well worth the money.
Just be careful when removing the coolermaster's clip from the socket - don't shave away that connecting protrusion!!!
bubu (May 23, 2001 07:02 p.m.):
To start, I am using an ASUS A7A266 motherboard, an AXIA 1333mhz T-Bird and a "Cooler Master" DP5-6H11 heatsink/fan.
I can't believe how hot the CPU is running. The ASUS probe software cooling does jack **** as far as I can tell. The 70C temp is what Motherboard Monitor 5 probe tells me (thats with an open case). The ASUS probe is 5degrees less...MB temp is roughly 32C. The room temperature is a little stuffy but only a few C above norm.
I am using an open case and have a 9 inch house fan circulating air into the case and on to the CPU/Heatsink. The temp goes down by less than 5 degrees. I have to admit that after some research the heatsink/fan is only approved up to 1200mhz T-Birds, I've called the reseller and ripped them a new ******* for shipping me an inadequate heatsink and they are shipping me the proper AMD approved cooler master heatsink which is suppousedly 20mm wider.
What really bothers me is AMD and their quality control...how can these CPU's run this hot. Could it be that I just got a ****y CPU...or do you guys honestly think that a 20mm wider heatsink from the same maker, made from the same materials will solve all the problems? When I called AMD they told me "unofficialy" that the 1333's run super hot and that I can expect them to reach 55ish even with an "amd approved" heatsink.
Any suggestion as to what I can do to try an lower the cpu temp, should I demand a new cpu from the reseller?
I
The reseller sent me a cooler master EP5-6I51 today to replace the origional heatsink/fan. I was skeptical but irregardless I decided to try it. The temp is now at 55C under load...over 15C drop. System seems stable as well...but I am still a little concerned. Isin't 55 still way high with an open case and an AMD approved heatsink/fan?!? I think its rediculous that you have to spend upwards of $100 to have your cpu run within resonable temperatures. I mean I heard that the AXIA Y's are very overclockable...but how are you suppoused to overclock em when you have to spend hundreds of dollars as someone else pointed out to keep it from melting down. Kind of defeats the purpose of overclocking for me.
I read on toms hardware that the Intel boxed cup fan/heatsink for the pentium 3 flipchips is exellent. Has anyone tried playing around with it? I am not a heatsink expert but when I examine the thing, its 2x smaller than the current heatsink I have on the cpu, it seems to be made of cast iron instead of aluminum. The only thing it has going for it is a Sanyo Denki fan. Anyone even think I should bother with it?
here is a link to the article...
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q4/001211/cpu_cooler-01.html
taz1004
05-24-01, 08:05 PM
Even tho 6H11 is a crappy HSF, 70C sounds unusually high. You sure you installed it properly and the fan wasn't running slower than it should?
I have Thermoengine w/Delta and pretty happy with it. My temps are 45/52 with my crappy case. Just ordered modded case from the CardCooler.
--BrianC
Daniel R
05-24-01, 10:06 PM
For a good solution to your crisis, check out the Vantec FCE-62540D at www.pcnut.com .. For $20 you get a heatsink and fan that will keep your 1.33 T-bird around 45C if properly attached. I haven't tested my Vantec out yet, I will be building my 1.33 + A7M266 system tomarrow.
And for God's sake forget the expression "AMD Approved Heatsink". Dan R is right, the Vantec is a reasonable performing solution for the low-end consumer. You just blew around $200.00 for a top notch CPU. Consider a good HSF as an investment in that CPUs future. A good HSF will outlast several CPUs if you get the right one on the first try. Find that wallet one more time and get something in the .25c/w or less range.
Hoot
Bubu,
Taz1004 is correct, we have tested most CoolerMaster HSF available in the market, including the two you have mentioned. Neither one (although they claimed they would) are suitable for TBird 1.33, and you are risking of toasting your nice new CPU soon. There are far better HSF on the market you should get, like the Vantec FCE-62540D, Alpha PAL6035 (with Delta fan), GW FOP38, etc.; all will outform those crappy CoolerMaster, and should keep your CPUs in the 40s C.
Blackearth
05-25-01, 08:37 AM
Daniel R (May 24, 2001 10:06 p.m.):
For a good solution to your crisis, check out the Vantec FCE-62540D at www.pcnut.com .. For $20 you get a heatsink and fan that will keep your 1.33 T-bird around 45C if properly attached. I haven't tested my Vantec out yet, I will be building my 1.33 + A7M266 system tomarrow.
thats what i got, it seems to do i a pretty good job, i just wish i could get an accurate temp reading from asusprobe! after an all night lan party with my 1000@1224 tbird the heatsink was only warm (mildly so).
Bobby Manus
05-25-01, 02:45 PM
Hey bubu, other then your fan problems, how would you say your system is doing? I am looking into getting an Asus A7A266 myself soon, was it hard to srt up? Is it stable and what not? Any incompatibilites with soundblasters or something? Do you recomend it? Thanks for your input!
Thought you might be interested in this article from Athlonoc.com (http://www.athlonoc.com/tweakvia2.php). When I set register 52 to EB my idle temps went from 114 to 93! What a difference a hack can make!
Bobby...
Overall I am preaty happy with the A7A266...two things you should be aware off...
1. It wont allow you to tweak with the multiplier, so only frontside bus OC'n unless you solder L1 bridge...
2. There is, what seems to be a bug in the DDR ram slots...when both banks are used the PC will crash intermitently. Its some sort of voltage problem, bumping the voltage from 2.5 to 2.65 via jumper is the "unofficial" asus fix...the problem seems to plague a couple of their athalon boards.
otherwise...yes it a good board, asus generaly makes good products.
Bobby Manus
05-26-01, 12:38 AM
Good stuff, and plus im going to get the newer version of the A7A so I will be able to modify the multiplyer (i know its the new version cuase newegg is out of stock, so there getting the newest stuff from the factory, there also out of stock from the 1.2ghz 266fsb t-bird, which is awsome becuase im probably geting an axia or avia and not being charged like it!)
Hi BU BU; I had a few DP5 6H51 cooler masters. It was frustrated about its performance until I replaced that sissy fan with a 80x80 Sanyo denki, 29 dba, 36.6 cfm... well... a world of difference in temp. My Axia 1G oced to 1.4 G never got higher than 45C, full load, with that modified HSF.
ciacomix
05-28-01, 11:51 PM
Hiya !
You got the same problem as me....your 70C problem is named "Asus Probe" !
This prog shows wrong results, check another like Motherboard Monitor or CPUCool.
I m sure it will be not 70C anymore....
Greetings
Ciaco
I'm still frustrated...I bought a Vantec Fan on PCNuts suggestion. The temp dropped sure enough, but not to the "45C" that we all seem to want to achieve. The Vantec seems to drop the temp another 5C to 7C ...into the low 50's. This is with an open case, I'm a tad baffled as to what else I can do...from the reviews I read on the various heatsinks the vantec is a top performer and I'm not going to get much better unless I shell out for $90+ ...
I simply ask...does anyone else with the 1333's have a heat problem? I've done everything I could think off and the temp is still in the low 50's (according to the bios). Is there such a thing as "to much" thermal grease :) I mean maybe I should not have put a whole packet or something on...hehe
bubu (May 30, 2001 03:07 a.m.):
I'm still frustrated...I bought a Vantec Fan on PCNuts suggestion. The temp dropped sure enough, but not to the "45C" that we all seem to want to achieve. The Vantec seems to drop the temp another 5C to 7C ...into the low 50's. This is with an open case, I'm a tad baffled as to what else I can do...from the reviews I read on the various heatsinks the vantec is a top performer and I'm not going to get much better unless I shell out for $90+ ...
I simply ask...does anyone else with the 1333's have a heat problem? I've done everything I could think off and the temp is still in the low 50's (according to the bios). Is there such a thing as "to much" thermal grease :) I mean maybe I should not have put a whole packet or something on...hehe
Try rebooting and check ur temp in bios. Asus probe is giving me exactly 10c too high on mine. So when mine is 55c its actually only 45. If the temp in bios is lower try downloading MBM5.5. It gives me the same temp as in bios.
taz1004
05-30-01, 07:49 AM
"I simply ask...does anyone else with the 1333's have a heat problem? I've done everything I could think off and the temp is still in the low 50's "
Yes I did. My CPU was at about 51'C idle and about 54'C after playing 3D games for awhile. And that was with my 1.33Ghz UNDERclocked to 1Ghz. I just couldn't run it at 133FSB. I had Thermoengine w/Delta fan.
Then I got Enermax 450w power supply and MaxCool case from www.thecardcooler.com Now my CPU is running at 39'C even at 1.33Ghz. I think the Enermax helped in cooling as well since it sucks air out of CPU but I think that 6 120mm fans in MaxCool case have something to do with drastic decrease in temp. Try getting a high speed case fan that will either blow or suck air off of CPU heatsink. Even if your case is opened, if you don't have another fan blowing air off the top of your HSF, all the hot air your CPU fan is blowing thru the heatsink come right back up and blow right back at your CPU. This may not be the only solution for you. Just telling you what I did to solve the problem. I just gotta solve this damn noise problem.
--BrianC
oden_xp
05-30-01, 12:45 PM
Man, I really jumped in on the tail end of this one...I have the 1.33 AXIA Y chip and it did run pretty damn hot when I got it. I slapped a GlobalWin CAK38 and some AS II on there and sit really chilly. I can hit 1.725ghz and sit close to 30 on boot, 44 full load. Granted I have 6 case fans, a PCI slot fan, 2 drive bay fans, and a Delta on the HSF. I keep it set low, around 1.4 or 1.45 though just to preserve the life of it. You can puch this baby as far as you want, but don't skimp on the HSF. Also, be pretty careful when installing and removing those 5 pound copper ones like the CAK 38 or the Swiftech's, they can chew away at the die pretty quick.
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