Carelessness or poor design?

[Kryten]

I see post after post of people who have chipped AMD CPU's, are all these people clumbsy, or is it just poor chip design, I am going to try a 1.33 AMD shortly and I don't particularly want to blow that kind of money if carefully installing a HSF results in a stuffed chip.
Please advise.

[taz1004]

"are all these people clumbsy, or is it just poor chip design"

I would say neither. It's mostly poor HSF clip designs especially the Super Orb. AMD recommends about 18~20lbs of force on the core with HSF and can chip the core which is very much like crystal if you apply uneven force. This can be prevented by using shim. I use the non-conductive shim from www.coolerguys.com and I don't see any increase in temp like some people wants you to believe. Yet I know I wont crack that core when I take my HSF on and off.

--BrianC

[!-=sky=-!]

well, if u got the orb, why don't u try takin the clip out and bend it a little so it applies less weight on the core? i think that might work since i had one before and i couldn't get it on with the regular clip so i bent it a little and it works ok

[Phil]

I agree that it's a little of both, AMD needs to toughen up the core though, you don't hear about fc-pga chips cracking after all.

[Megahurtz]

Kryten, don't get an orb..or any ThermalTake cooler for a 1.333Ghz T-bird.

You have to get rid of a lot of thermal output. Buy only the top tier of coolers for your CPU. I chipped a Duron almost a year ago. Since then, I've not had an issue(the Duron survives to this day).

Some common sense applies; I.E. NO rocking, or movement of the heatsink whilst attaching the retaining mechanism. A good primer can be found at AMD's site. A wealth of information can be found here (http://www1.amd.com/athlon/config).

If you are uncertain as to how to proceed, don't. Ask for some assistance. It should be easy for a mechanoid like you..:) (Big Red Dwarf fan)

T

[Kryten]

I have installed hundreds of CPU's and HSF so lack of experience is not an issue, I don't own an Orb don't know where that come from.
I am however looking to purchase "my" first AMD (have done a few k6-2 systems for clients) they seem particularly weak in the core and wanted to know weather it was lack of experience or core fault that was causing the problems, I am looking at putting a Maze 2 on it (no pelt)

[Megahurtz]

Kryten (May 26, 2001 08:01 p.m.):
I have installed hundreds of CPU's and HSF so lack of experience is not an issue, I don't own an Orb don't know where that come from.
I am however looking to purchase "my" first AMD (have done a few k6-2 systems for clients) they seem particularly weak in the core and wanted to know weather it was lack of experience or core fault that was causing the problems, I am looking at putting a Maze 2 on it (no pelt)

Gotcha. Sorry if there seemed a patronizing tone to my post..I did not mean it too be so..It is the confluence of three factors, The installers, the CPUs and the retainers. With the Maze2, and the DangerDen's 'bolt through' retaining system, you shouldn't have an issue. I followed the directions almost to the letter(I can still move the mounted water block, but it takes some effort) and found it to be relatively simple. Care must be excercised in tightening the nuts down, I used Joe's article here (http://www.overclockers.com/articles354/) for reference. An experienced builder shouldn't have an issue at all.

T

[Kryten]

No probs didn't find it patronising at all, you basically confirmed my suspicion that it might have been a combo of the 3