1.33 at 60 C....

[SamDaMan]

OK I been reading this forum and I am thinking you guys is not always right. I have the MSI K7T Tubro Raid (MS-6330) and the 1.33 G Athlon.

I first used a molex 371650007 heat sink which I got from www.quietpc.com. I look in the bios under pc health status and shut the computer off when it hit 69 C. This heatsink/fan is super quit but with a W/C of .53 does not cool well.

I then try AOC "Duron Monster" a orb type thing also very quiet (26dbA) but same 69 C running temp at idle.

I then try Coolmaster noisy EP5-6I11, which is AMD approved (AMD suggest .35 W/C rating or better and 16 CFM). I am stable at 60 C now.

All this BS on this forum of running under 50 C with 1.33 GHZ (mine is not over clocked) is a bunch of hot air.

The reason is that these heatsinks seem to be doing what one would expect from the specifications. AMD 1.33 CPU is at max about 76 Watts. My System Temp - CPU Temp is about 28 C. 28/76 is .36. AMD recomends .35.

That is not to say that some coolers is way better - the swiftech is like .21 or so but you is all scaring people when you say that 50 C or better is required.

Just subtract your System Temp from the CPU temp and divide by 76 (for 1.33 G Athlon only) and if the number is .35 or less you are A-OK.

Perhaps this particular motherboard from MSI has its temp prob closer placed to where the heat is and gives a better reading than some others, or some other reason but I am sure that the CPU is running stable and well within specs at 60 C.

My case is open with 3 80MM fans and is a Lu LI PC-70 Case (the best you can get) so there are no problems from there.

[Da Whip]

SamDaMan,
First off, all those HSF's you named are not made for 1+gig T-Birds. They were designed for Durons and sub 1gig T-Birds.
Secondly, If you think that 60C is good for a 1.33, go right ahead and shorten the life of that chip by 1/3 or worse. The max. temp for 1.33 is 95C, why would one want there chip running at 2/3 of max.
And last but not least, why have your case open. If you have decent airflow you will get better cooling w/ the case closed.
Heat is the enemy of CPU's and overclocking.

[SamDaMan]

The Molex and CoolMaster both recomend their products for the 1.33 G Athlon (althogh Molex is avilable in 3 fan speeds and its not clear if all 3 are for the 1.33). The CoolMaster is AMD approved for 1.33, the other two are not.

Well the Max is 95C inside the chip (I doubt that the bios is measure inside the chip temp), still that is withing AMD recomended specs. Do you have a url where I can see this "shorten life by 1/3" thing, is that tested? If you are running within Manufacture specifications why would running cooler extend the life of the product

At any rate so what, I keep buying a new computer system once a year anyway. Like the CPU has any value after one year...

And I don't really understand why you guys overclock, after you spend $100 on a better heatsink, watercooling and all that, can't you just get a better processor in the first place? Better to shop for a good deal than to overclock. I paid $214 plus shipping for my 1.33G and from what I read prices are even lower now. One year from today if I can sell it for $80 I bet I be lucky, so 1/3 less life seems to mean little, assuming its true.

Heat is the enemy: but how hot is hot? I would submit that any heatsink under .35 (as recommended by AMD) is fine and that you gain little or nothing by running cooler than that.

You are correct about the airflow better with case closed.

[Da Whip]

Although they say they will cool a 1.33 T-Bird, those HSF are bare minimum.
I spent $20 for my HSF, about an hour of my time lapping the heatsink and a couple hours cutting holes and place fans. As you can see from my specs I run fairly well.
Find me a comparable system for under $800, I smoke any Intel out there for 1/3 the price.
If you do not understand why we O/C, read some more posts and maybe you will see the light.

[castle lager fan]

SamDaMan

A couple of points.
1. Don't submit postings by insulting people. Some people do get good temps and the point of this website is that is there for overclockers. Why you ask. Because we like to challange, improve and learn.
2. I use a swiftech 462 with Delta. I get CPU temps of below 40 C with open case at ambient of above 20. That's with my AMD T-bird 1.33 overclocked to 1.466 with 133 FSB DDR. No problem. With my case closed it goes to 45 C with full load due to bad case temps.
3. I first used the EP6 5i11 as well and my idle temp were above 50 C with open case.

If you dont want to overclock, dont worry about your temp if it is below 65 C. Also dont come to this website as you dont want or need it.

[SamDaMan]

I am not trying to insult anyone, sorry if it sounded harsh. Yes cooler is better but exactly how much of a gain is being gotten? I like others might be very interested in better cooling if it was worth it, but just what is the gain.

1/3 more life expectancy seems usless, if establishable. Yes the swiftech is like .21 whereas coolmaster is like .36 or so. So the swiftech is much superior (but more noisy).

Well I am glad you say that if your temp is under 65 C and you are not overclocking don't worry about it.

I read a lot of the other posts on this forum and got the impression that if temp was over 50 C the processor was going to blow up, I think you should make it clear that your above statement is the correct one. I wish someone would have posted that statment sooner. And certainally 60 C is just fine.

To whip: we agree that for the price intel is trash. I have spent $55.00, then 19.99 then 24.99 for my HSF, and am not very happy. I might just order that siverdardo thing from Germany, athough its like $70 and another $22 for shipping. lol.

Still no one can find a US dealer for the NoiseControl Silverdarado?

[SleepyKat]

There is also another reason for O/C.....it's fun to think of ways to improve (or destroy) something, to flex ones mind. Cost is not an issue with some of us. It's the challenge!!

MSI MB do read warmer. I average in the 50s and 60's with the generic HSF
1 GHz TB 266 clocked to 1.417 GHZ , full load temp at 44 C. Entire system was about $550

[WinXP]

SamDaMan-------- This is a T-bird 1.33
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This is water cooled, it idles at 27C an full load 38C. I just like to see what I can squeeze out of my system. AMD doesn't make a 1.6 cpu so I can't buy one so we make one. It's the thrill of the victory. An yes it can be a expensive hobby if you want to go fast.

[Tomas]

SleepyKat (May 27, 2001 09:27 p.m.):
There is also another reason for O/C.....it's fun to think of ways to improve (or destroy) something, to flex ones mind. Cost is not an issue with some of us. It's the challenge!!

MSI MB do read warmer. I average in the 50s and 60's with the generic HSF
1 GHz TB 266 clocked to 1.417 GHZ , full load temp at 44 C. Entire system was about $550
The globalwin fop38 aint to expensive is it?? just a little more expensive than the SUCKY coolermaster fan. I got an fop38 on mine 1.1ghz(200 bus) running at 133(266) temp= 42-43 idle and loaded max=46-47c.

60c is TOO much and u will frie ur cpu at that temp if u run it much longer.