2.6c OEM are they good overclockers?

[situman]

thinking about getting an OEM 2.6c anyone think they are good overclockers? or anyone with any feedback / opinions / experiences? Thanks

[Jognt]

im getting one.... i am under the impression that 250 fsb can be (easily) achieved, and that 300 fsb is possible...

[batboy]

Check out the Intel CPU section for more info. Yes, the 2.6C is a good overclocker. With air cooling, 250 FSB is fairly average, however, 300 FSB (3.9 gig) is extremely rare unless you're using super cooling.

[situman]

umm no offense but i need someone that has a 2.6c oem to give me their opinions and results and etc...

[Xymurgy]

Guess I won't give my opinion then.

[shiyan]

shouldn't be much difference between OEM and Boxed, so have a look in the CPU database.

[pwned2k]

get a 2.4c, they pwn. 2.4 > 2.6

[Cochese]

My 2.6C in my sig is OEM. And Batboy knows a little something about this stuff as he helped me get it to where it is :)

[situman]

when did u get it? and from where? and whats the highest it can go and wat country is it from?

[Akira283-IGN]

There is no difference in overclocking between OEM and Retail CPUs, despite some of the pathetic myths floating around overclocking forums. The country where the CPU itself was packaged also makes no difference.

[situman]

trust me it makes a difference which country it comes from. i had 2 cpus from the philippines. wouldnt do 3.2 at any voltage. my costa rica running 3.4 now at 1.65v. both philippino chips performed the same as in crappy.

[Akira283-IGN]

Originally posted by situman
trust me it makes a difference which country it comes from. i had 2 cpus from the philippines. wouldnt do 3.2 at any voltage. my costa rica running 3.4 now at 1.65v. both philippino chips performed the same as in crappy.

You are completely wrong. This article from AnandTech should help you understand:

Just to clear something up, the markings on the back of the CPU refer to the packaging site - not the manufacturing site of the actual silicon chip itself. Intel has no fabs in either Malaysia or Costa Rica, they are packaging facilities. The silicon die/chips are manufactured elsewhere in the world and are shipped to either of these two packaging sites. In addition, Intel manufacturing has a goal of running a "virtual fab" - meaning that, among other things, products from one fab are statistically indistinguishable from those manufactured at another fab. So even if, for example using fake names, Malaysian packages used chips only from fab #1 and packages marked Costa Rica use chips from fab #2, there should be no difference statistically between these two.

I saw these discussions back in the Celeron days, and I commented back then, but this time around it seems a little different. I have started seeing some online retailers charging more for parts from a specific packaging site and this disturbs me. There is no difference between parts from these two packaging sites. Just as you can have 6 head/tails coin tosses come out heads, there may seem to be a correlation that heads is more likely than tails, but there isn't. In reality the odds are still approximately 50/50.

The silicon is what defines the speed of a CPU, not the package. And the silicon comes from multiple fabs scattered all over the place that are all supposed to be identical anyway.

If you are considering spending more, or buying from a shadier vendor, in order to get a specific package, I would urge you to reconsider. There is no difference and you are only wasting money, and or risking getting ripped off.

Patrick Mahoney
Microprocessor Design Engineer
Intel Corp.

There's been a lot of discussion about which Northwoods are better... Ones "made in Costa Rica", or the ones "made in Malaysia." The problem is, no Northwoods are manufactured overseas. All are made in the USA, with the vast majority coming from Fab20 in Hillsboro, OR. They are packaged (in the Socket 478) overseas, but that has no effect on the overclockability.

Normally, these discussions don't raise an eyebrow from me... But lately I've seen resellers charging more for "made in Malay" chips. And in my opinion, this is a ripoff. I just don't want to see people get taken.

Wingznut
.13µ Lithography Technician
Intel Corp

[situman]

i had personal experience? i did own wo cpus from the philippines and they cant overclock for shiet. and do u really believe what intel or amd tells u? its better to hear it from someone who experienced it

[Akira283-IGN]

Originally posted by situman
i had personal experience? i did own wo cpus from the philippines and they cant overclock for shiet.


In case you didn't realize, this means nothing. Every CPU has unique overclocking abilities. The fact that your CPUs didn't do as well as you wanted has nothing to do with the country they were packaged in.


and do u really believe what intel or amd tells u? its better to hear it from someone who experienced it


This comment is very ignorant. Why shouldn't you believe what two actual engineers know about their own products? How thick-headed are you?

[situman]

and apple claims they have the world's fastest computer in the form of the G5. if you look carefully, u would realize all the intel high end processors (2.8, 3.0, 3.2) are from Malaysia, not Costa Rica not Philippines

[situman]

and apple claims they have the world's fastest computer in the form of the G5. if you look carefully, u would realize all the intel high end processors (2.8, 3.0, 3.2) are from Malaysia, not Costa Rica not Philippines. What does that tell you about the origin of the CPUs?it might be true that the CPUs are packaged at certain places, but the best CPU's goes to Malaysia to get packaged.

[Akira283-IGN]

Originally posted by situman
it might be true that the CPUs are packaged at certain places, but the best CPU's goes to Malaysia to get packaged.

LMAO, thanks, I needed a good laugh. That's completely untrue and I'm now dumber for having heard it.

[situman]

i dont think you can get any dumber when you are already the dumbest

[batboy]

***ATENTION***

Akira283-IGN and situman both of you will immediately stop this bickering. We do not tolerate flame wars in this Forum. This is your only warning before the Mods are notified. No name calling allowed. There is no reason to be rude. I highly suggest that you both edit your posts and take a chill pill.

[situman]

I apologize for any misbehaviors and for the way I have presented myself

[situman]

Hey Batboy, do you have any opinions as to whether OEM cpus are good overclockers? especially the 2.6c. Thanks

[batboy]

If you are referring to the 2.6C OEM vs. the 2.6C retail, I've seen no evidence that one is significantly or statistically better than the other. The OEM is slightly cheaper, but with the retail you get the heatsink/fan and a much longer warranty (all in a nice sealed box). If you're getting a good aftermarket cooler and since overclocking voids the warramty anyway, no reason not to get the OEM. A couple years ago during the P-III era, the retail CPUs appeared to be better overclockers, but that was back when retailers were pre-testing OEM CPUs and selling CPUs guaranteed to run at certain O/C speeds, so we're guessing the better CPUs were getting cherry picked and sold at a higher price thus leaving the less stellar ones. However, that's no longer done anymore.

[Lithan]

I believe that packaging location has an impact. All the 3.2's I've seen were packed in malaysia. And It seems odd such a coincidence that Malay chips would almost always beat out any other packaged. My theory is that Phillipines is for packing low end chips, Costa for low-mid, and Malay for high end. When They have all the 3.2's they need, they start having Malay slap 2.4c heatspreaders on their 3.2 quality cores.

Just seems more reasonable to me than chalking the top chips all being Malays to coincidence.

[situman]

i have the same thought Lithan. Well i just ordered an OEM from Newegg. Hopefully I can squeeze 3.6 out of it and i'll be happy for the next 2 three years b4 another major upgrade

[batboy]

Not sure what kind of cooling you'll be using, but even with good air cooling, 3.6 gig is an awful lot to expect from any of the current P-4's. Be prepared to be disappointed. A more realistic goal is probably closer to 3.4 gig if you're using air cooling. Good luck.

[Akira283-IGN]

Originally posted by Lithan
All the 3.2's I've seen were packed in malaysia.

So? You're saying that since the very small percentage of worldwide 3.2s that you've seen are Malays, the best CPUs must come from there? That theory shows no logic at all.


And It seems odd such a coincidence that Malay chips would almost always beat out any other packaged.


In case you didn't read what I already said, a very small percentage of CPUs are overclocked. So for all anyone knows, more CPUs packaged in the Philippines and Costa Rica achieve better overclocks, but no one ever finds out. Perhaps the majority of Malays go to consumers, while others go to OEM businesses. No one here knows the truth, but Intel does.


My theory is that Phillipines is for packing low end chips, Costa for low-mid, and Malay for high end. When They have all the 3.2's they need, they start having Malay slap 2.4c heatspreaders on their 3.2 quality cores.


This theory has no factual basis whatsoever, but I provided proof directly from Intel engineers that proves you wrong.

[situman]

If everyone only wants to buy chips from Malay, intel has a problem dont they? So they have to try and persuade people there's no difference. People say that Malay chips are better because they actually did comparisons and there are databases as to what chips does best in overclocking. Remember Apple claiming the G5 is the fastest...

[FattyMcNastyXK]

I think that the packaging site (ie: phillies, malay, costa) is irrelevent since thats not even where its made. You would have to find out from Intel where the CPU was actually made (i'm guessing from the serial) and then get a whole lot of them. And then one by one, oc them to their fullest, record the data and put it in some form of a graph so you can compare results. But for it to be convincing, you would need like 100 cpus, 25 of 2.4 25 of 2.6 and so on. This would be one awesome science fair project. But you wouldn't be able to without money to get all these and Intel probably wouldn't support it because then they would have 100 cpus with broken warrenties. Or instead of oc-ability you could do it base on performance like with 3dmarks or something so that when your done you could give them back (if intel is supporting your tests). BAsically what i'm saying here is that I believe cold hard data. Something isn't true if someone or company just gives you their conclusion. A study like this could ultimately either prove something so that the bickering stops or it proves that this so called "myth" is an actual myth. But then, even if there is a study that proves that a cpu's manufacturing site determines performance, there will still be bickering by those ignorant people that refuse to accept real data.

[Mac]

i think phillipin chips arent so good. mine included. as well as many other's ive seen with phillipine chips.

[situman]

yeah i sold one on ebay and one i returned to newegg and decided to stick to my costa rica

[markodude]

2.6c Philly here, all my other chips are Malay,
The 2.6c philly does 3315mhz prime stable at 1.66vcore (full load) on P4C-800E, with Coolermaster Aero4 cooling.
Its an SL6WS week 23 pack date of 08/14/2003

[situman]

at that voltage im running 3.4 on my costa rica

[OneProdigy]

...and me runs 3.5 at 1.66V on my old 2.4B Malay. :rolleyes:

[situman]

its so hard hunting down a malay even on ebay

[OneProdigy]

Yeah, that's true...i was just lucky when i got mine.
But that's ot, my next one will be a 2.6C. ;)

Is anybody using a 2.6C SL6WS Malay or Costa Rica?

[situman]

SL6WS are bad. it got two philly chips with the same code and they suck. so stick with sl6wh. i do have a 2.6c sl6wh costa rica. overclocked at 3.4@1.65v

[OneProdigy]

Phillie's aren't supposed to be good oc'ers anyway, that's why i was looking for some good results with SL6WS malay and costa chips...

[situman]

i have a sl6wh costa rica if ur interested

[OneProdigy]

I found a SL6WT FPO: L321B289! :)
But i'm not sure if i should sell my nice 2.4B to get it... :rolleyes:
Maybe by the end of next week i can tell you more...

[situman]

sounds like another B stepping. notice the B in the FPO number

[situman]

the last C cpus have a D in the FPO number

[OneProdigy]

What does that letter say, situman?
Afaik (by now) only stepping and FPO are indicators for OCability.