Afraid of frying another one

[Ferg]

Well this time i connected the L1's all by myself instead of ordering a pre-bridged one. But, im afraid of frying this proccessor like the last one i did. I had a Duron 600 which would load at 952 and would run pretty safe but no higher so i kept it there for a few months before it would load at that speed anymore and eventually it died. So now that i have a duron 700 that tops off at about 950 too im wondering what speed can i run it at without stressing it too much and keep it good for 18 months before i buy a t-bird when they get real cheap? Thanks for your help fellas

peace

[n2]

first time of hearing anything like this...

i think you killed the chip by not cooling it properly,
and even if you keep the new one stock,
you'll kill it by not cooling it properly.

there is only one answer to your question...
"what speed should it run at?"
look on the chip... it's a Duron ???mhz
thats the speed.
anything other than that... is NOT what is intended.
thus "safe" leaves this equation right there.
hence the term "warranty now VOID"
at that point, it is you who determines where you risk taking that chip.
up to the chip to go any higher... or not.

without the proper information and knowledge,
the chip probably will have a shortened life span.
it is you, who can arm yourself with the guides on the front page.
with the thousands of past posts on the subject.
(i suggest starting with "general forum posting guidelines" in general topic)
and asking such a question, without providing the required info...
such as what hardware you have... won't get you very much help.
because from what you told me, all i can say is.. "something was/is wrong"

[Ferg]

Well i know you think im a newbie, but im not realy. I do have a OCZ dualie running and my temps were fine on the old CPU and are now to, 26 idle, 38 load. But despite this i still killed one chip and if not careful then i might do it again. Currently im at 108x7.5 with a 1.7 volts core and 3.5 volts mobo. So somebody tell from their experience what they could make, mind you it goes to 950 somewhat unstably.

Thanks

[n2]

my experience is posted in my sig.

why are you O/C'ing with the multiplyer?

why have you still not posted what the board is?

and you only seem like a newbie, because you have not posted any relevent information so as anyone can help you.

the chip's O/C is relative to what the board can handle, bro..
that means.. crap board = crap results
crap RAM = crap results
and on, and on, and on....

i still suggest you read the guides. whether or not you (or anyone else) considers you a newbie or a vet.

there is a cpu database, which lists the fellow members results.
if you would read that, you would answer your question :)

[Mortdog]

You can´t fry it at 38 C load. That is nothing.
I even don´t think that the guys at AMD expects that people will run them at 38 C load at default speed with recommended cooling.

[Ferg]

ok fellas sorry about that i guess is should have told you all the stuff. Abit kt7, kingmax pc-150 memory, and a ****ty 4 meg video card and a really ****ty hard drive.

[rugby]

Ferg (Jun 06, 2001 12:57 p.m.):
ok fellas sorry about that i guess is should have told you all the stuff. Abit kt7, kingmax pc-150 memory, and a ****ty 4 meg video card and a really ****ty hard drive.

The Abit kt7 is why he can't overclock with fsb. My kt7-raid won't got over 5-6 for fsb with anything resembling stability. Oh yeah, and watch your language there. We've got some young folk and ladies present around these parts.

[n2]

Ferg (Jun 06, 2001 12:57 p.m.):
ok fellas sorry about that i guess is should have told you all the stuff. Abit kt7, kingmax pc-150 memory, and a s****y 4 meg video card and a really s****y hard drive.

first off, and i hope i need to say it only once.
Profanity isn't allowed in the forums.

second, you still don't post the cooler.

third, what do you expect to achieve with admittedly poor quality components. LMAO windoze is coming to you from said crap HDD which is probably cursing you for O/C'ing it in the first place.

the vid card will also cause major issues with the FSB

and i've heard the kt133 isn't a very stable platform for FSB either

what can i say? if i sound negative... so do you! :)
so in your response really lies the state of the situation.
getting proper components will yield much better results,
aside from that tho...
there is no clear indicator of what killed your 1st chip.
if your temps were good, and i'll assume they were....
maybe you hit it with static? maybe you crushed the core?
maybe it just quit.
electronics do that sometimes, i'm sad to say.
but if you only had to buy one vcr in a lifetime...
how could RCA stay in buisiness?

[Ferg]

well still no one has answered my question. I have an OCZ dualie hsf by the way, prolly should have put that in there. My question was what is a safe overclock. I want modest but not a 50 mhz increase either. Currently im at 825 which i would think is a good area since i will have to keep this proccessor for at least a year. But any help would be nice.

[thundershift]

more speed (mhz) won´t blowup your cpu or any electronic hardware. They just don´t perform their job´s if it´s out of their limits.
Although rising the volt´s increases heat. (Heat is bad to any electronics IC´s)
A safe overkill -sorry :clock, is when it´s stabile in any program you run.
That´s my own opinion thou .

Use caution when you´re inside your case thou, (ESD)

Afraid wont take you higher!

keep the flag up.

[n2]

more speed <mhz> over stock... shortens the life of a processor.
i'm not going to debate it.
that's more than just common sense.

i have answered your question. there is NO "safe" overclock.
what is "safe" is what the manufacturer rates it at,
they then give you 3years warranty stating that under THOSE EXACT CONDITIONS they assure there will be NO defect, lest they will issue a new chip.

why does it not say...
"it is a 600mhz Duron,
but go ahead and run at 650mhz and we'll still warranty it anyway"
or
"we give you a hsk/fan,
but you don't have to use it if you don't want to, we'll warranty it anyway"

why? if you must.. still.. ask... is because under their stress tests for reliability stability and longevity... 600 is the "safe" zone...
it did not make 650... it did beat 550...
it is the same core in all Durons.

either accept the risk, or accept the stock speed.

"safe" is marked right on the chip, and the warranty tells you so.
what the chip will run stable, overclocked, and cool... is up to you.
with a voided warranty in hand.

also, again, there is NO standardization with the results,
EVERY chip is different, every board, every RAM, every cooler, vid card,....
the question you ask really has no answer.
just go look in the database for the most common results.

[Tomas]

n2 (Jun 06, 2001 12:53 p.m.):
my experience is posted in my sig.

why are you O/C'ing with the multiplyer?

why have you still not posted what the board is?

and you only seem like a newbie, because you have not posted any relevent information so as anyone can help you.

the chip's O/C is relative to what the board can handle, bro..
that means.. crap board = crap results
crap RAM = crap results
and on, and on, and on....

i still suggest you read the guides. whether or not you (or anyone else) considers you a newbie or a vet.

there is a cpu database, which lists the fellow members results.
if you would read that, you would answer your question :)

108x7.5 dosent look like multipilere to me??? Looks like ur the newbie here...........

[Justy303]

Calm down guys, no need to get upset here. n2 is right, there is nothing that could be called a safe o/c, because then it wouldn't be an o/c.

[Oni]

Ferg (Jun 06, 2001 12:57 p.m.):
ok fellas sorry about that i guess is should have told you all the stuff. Abit kt7, kingmax pc-150 memory, and a ****ty 4 meg video card and a really ****ty hard drive.

The reason you can't overclock too high w/ the FSB, is because that particular board uses the KT133 chipset, not the more advanced KT133A chipset. Its the boards fault that you can't overclock too much w/ FSB. The most i've seen people get out of a KT133 chipset board is about 110. Any higher requires serious modification, or a different, better board. I'd raise the FSB to about 105, and then start tweaking the multiplier and see how high you can go. You're temperatures seem really low, so you'll have no real problem w/ that (looks like you're using watercooling or extreme fans to me). Just keep doing what you're doing. W/ overclocking, there is no such thing as "safe". The closest thing you'll come to "safe" is "reasonable". Don't try to force your 700 to do something insane and you'll be just fine.

[GERRY136]

lololol

hey ferg, just go for it but understand u may lose the chip but thats what this is all about!!!!
at the very wost, youd have to mow about 8 lawns at 10.00bucks a piece and git ya a new chip. im a fat 32yr. old drunk and i could mow 8 in at least a day! lol


welcome to the forum bro!!!!

[Ferg]

i play two sports and have football, but im not old enough for a job. Soooo, that means i have very little money for computers. That is why i like to play it safe.